Dallas Mavericks oh my what a mess

[spiegel]

What has gone wrong? They are a collection of average to good talented players. They overpaid Parsons, getting Rondo was never going to work with a ball dominant Ellis and they got no backup big. Poor Dirk he don't deserve to go out like this.

[LiLharvard]

U forgot about JJ barea.

[Haymaker]

Parsons was a dumb move. He's an average role player. I think the Rondo experiment will be over by the end of the season. Dirk should call it quits IMO.

[sd3035]

Rondo is garbage

[Meticode]

Rondo was in the perfect situation all those seasons with the Big 3 in Boston, it's starting to show and has been since they broke up.

[jzek]

I love how Cuban got rid of Chandler, Barea, etc. and then a few years later, signs them all back!

:roll:

[nathanjizzle]

What has gone wrong? They are a collection of average to good talented players. They overpaid Parsons, getting Rondo was never going to work with a ball dominant Ellis and they got no backup big. Poor Dirk he don't deserve to go out like this.


why not? his whole career has been mediocre, what makes you think he deserves better? someone like kobe deserves better.

i mean dirk is surrounded by good to great players, what excuse are his fanboys going to use this time?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Rondo was in the perfect situation all those seasons with the Big 3 in Boston, it's starting to show and has been since they broke up.
Rondo lead the league in assists per game without any of the Big 3. The real "perfect situation" for Rondo is one where he often has the ball in his hands, it's not about stars. Unfortunately for Rondo that may not be the best thing for the Mavs overall.

[Real Men Wear Green]

why not? his whole career has been mediocre
You say this about a guy that has an MVP award and led a team to a Championship? Is it really that hard to think before posting?

[Im Still Ballin]

Rondo would be great for a team like Indiana... or Utah

[nathanjizzle]

You say this about a guy that has an MVP award and led a team to a Championship? Is it really that hard to think before posting?

oh okay, hes been in the league 17 years and is considered one of the GOAT's. 1 championship is mediocre bro. perhaps you should be the one using your brain. lebron entered the draft 6 years after, has 2 championships, 4 mvps, multiple conference championships. :roll:

mediocre is the right word idiot, especially when hes had the opportunity to win multiple championships, but didnt do so.

[coin24]

oh okay, hes been in the league 17 years and is considered one of the GOAT's. 1 championship is mediocre bro. perhaps you should be the one using your brain. lebron entered the draft 6 years after, has 2 championships, 4 mvps, multiple conference championships. :roll:

mediocre is the right word idiot.

Dirks not a ring chasing piece of shit like LeBaldo:oldlol:

[sd3035]

You say this about a guy that has an MVP award and led a team to a Championship? Is it really that hard to think before posting?

not to mention a member of the 50-40-90 club, and he did while averaging 24.6 ppg

[Real Men Wear Green]

oh okay, hes been in the league 17 years and is considered one of the GOAT's. 1 championship is mediocre bro. perhaps you should be the one using your brain. lebron entered the draft 6 years after, has 2 championships, 4 mvps, countless division wins. :roll:

mediocre is the right word idiot.
You are calling an MVP winner:

of only moderate quality; not very good.
"a mediocre actor"
synonyms: ordinary, average, middling, middle-of-the-road, uninspired, undistinguished, indifferent, unexceptional, unexciting, unremarkable, run-of-the-mill, pedestrian, prosaic, lackluster, forgettable, amateur, amateurish;


Go buy a dictionary, idiot.

You are actually saying that someone whose career is not as good as a guy with 4 MVPs, a scoring title (I think), 2 Finals MVPs, and will be using All-NBA tropies (if they hand those out) as paper weights by the time he has retired is just average. A hundredth of a percent of NBA players equal LeBron James. Anyone that could be argued over him is an unquestionable Top 10 player. You're being extremely stupid. Which is the norm for you, but you should really try to improve.

Which is why I recommended thinking before you post.

But I will acknowledge that as stupid as you are more thinking could just mean deeper idiocy so maybe I'm wrong.

[gts]

oh okay, hes been in the league 17 years and is considered one of the GOAT's. 1 championship is mediocre bro. perhaps you should be the one using your brain. lebron entered the draft 6 years after, has 2 championships, 4 mvps, multiple conference championships. :roll:

mediocre is the right word idiot, especially when hes had the opportunity to win multiple championships, but didnt do so. :facepalm the stupidity some folks will spout always amazes me


Dirk is far far away from being a mediocre player, if you don't see it, your loss

[nathanjizzle]

You are calling an MVP winner:

of only moderate quality; not very good.
"a mediocre actor"
.

stopped reading after this. use your brain, i said his career is mediocre, not him. :facepalm

[nathanjizzle]

:facepalm the stupidity some folks will spout always amazes me


Dirk is far far away from being a mediocre player, if you don't see it, your loss

reading and comprehension.

[gts]

stopped reading after this. use your brain, i said his career is mediocre, not him. :facepalm:lol comedy gold right here folks

where's the dumbest things ever said on ISH thread... we have a new entry

[Real Men Wear Green]

stopped reading after this. use your brain, i said his career is mediocre, not him. :facepalm
So the average NBA career includes an MVP award, something like 10+ ASG, some All-NBAs, a Championship, a Finals MVP, well over 20k points...unless I think of something really funny to say I think I'm done with this "debate."

[dubeta]

Rondo Ball is the problem, turns them into spot-up shooters. Its fine if you have players like Ray Allen and KG who anyway spot-up, but not good for Monte Ellis.

[ArbitraryWater]

So the average NBA career includes an MVP award, something like 10+ ASG, some All-NBAs, a Championship, a Finals MVP, well over 20k points...unless I think of something really funny to say I think I'm done with this "debate."

28 K points, actually... will be one of only 6 (?) so far to reach 30.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

why not? his whole career has been mediocre, what makes you think he deserves better? someone like kobe deserves better.

i mean dirk is surrounded by good to great players, what excuse are his fanboys going to use this time?

If Dirk's career has been mediocre how will Rose's career be remembered?

Dirk's accolades:

NBA champion (2011)
NBA Finals MVP (2011)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2007)
13

[IncarceratedBob]

Dirk is showing he's not a leader, he can't bring this team together

[Bosnian Sajo]

Parsons was a dumb move. He's an average role player. I think the Rondo experiment will be over by the end of the season. Dirk should call it quits IMO.

So obvious who actually watched games and who talks out their ass..I'll admit, he is overpaid, but Parsons has arguably been the best player this season for Dallas.

And could you people stop overreacting...shesh, since when is a 44-26 record considered a "mess" :oldlol: Especially playing in the tough west.

[Overdrive]

stopped reading after this. use your brain, i said his career is mediocre, not him. :facepalm

If his career is mediocre by default there should be around 200 players in the NBA right now, who have a finals and RS Mvp among his other accolades and career numbers.

There are 360 active players and 90 more roster spots in the NBA with about 350 players being consistently staying for a few years and a few more for long careers in the NBA. If we even only consider guys with 8+ years careers there would have to be around 80 guys having Dirk's accolades for him to be mediocre.

[StephHamann]

Dirk is showing he's not a leader, he can't bring this team together

They will make the playoffs again despite 50% of the team playing like utter shit. And they will potentially win 50 games again in a Division with 4-5 playoff teams.

"Can't bring the team together".

[warriorfan]

What has gone wrong? They are a collection of average to good talented players. They overpaid Parsons, getting Rondo was never going to work with a ball dominant Ellis and they got no backup big. Poor Dirk he don't deserve to go out like this.


Dirk has been getting older of course but they were a decent team until the Rondo trade, that is what sunk them. I could see how Rondo would look good playing with Ellis in theory. Rondo is a freak athlete and can guard tall scoring 2 guards that Ellis can't defend. Only problem is Rondo is a dumbass and he dogs it and doesn't even try a lot of the times in my opinion. They were a borderline legit team before the Rondo trade and if they flipped something good they could of been legit, but they got fucced.

[ralph_i_el]

Chicago public schools have a lot to answer for :roll:

[masonanddixon]

Memphis is a better team, bottom line. Dallas is 3-1 in its last 4 games all against very good teams (except Orlando), so I don't see what the cause of concern is about. Dallas is at best the 4th best team out West. They are playing to their capabilities.

[Jyap9675]

Rondo and monta wasn't gonna work. They shoulda brought a guy like Shumpert and let Monta run the show

[knicksman]

why not? his whole career has been mediocre, what makes you think he deserves better? someone like kobe deserves better.

i mean dirk is surrounded by good to great players, what excuse are his fanboys going to use this time?

dirk>>>rose

1/2>>>0

[TheMarkMadsen]

they have tons of talent on that team

[theaussieguy]

trust me Rondo is slowly taking the team by the reigns, once he gets these guys in line he will show why he once considered the greatest PG in the league

[DMAVS41]

So any team that isn't top 2 in their conference is a mess I guess?

A few things:

1. The Mavs team before the trade might have been a better regular season team, but there was no ****ing way that Jameer Nelson was going to be good enough at pg to get this team a title. Wright is an extremely over-rated player that thrives in the regular season and gets lost routinely on defense. He's still good, but he's not a difference maker for this Mavs team in the playoffs.

The trade might have cost us a couple wins in the regular season. Honestly not sure...we played a joke schedule early on this season and despite going through a couple tough times and injuries...the Mavs still have a really good record and are like 2 games out of being in 3rd in the West


2. Dirk's career is now mediocre? On what standard? He's easily had one of the 20 or so best careers ever by any standard or measure. It's his ****ing 17th season and he just made the all star team. He's been in a shooting slump for like 2 months until recently and his season averages are:

17/6/2 56% TS

It's just laughable that a player in year 17 at his age would be getting hate for how he's played. It's special stuff actually. And so many nights he's clearly our best player.

LOL @ the poster suggesting Parsons was the Mavs best player this season. The dude is clearly the 4th best player on this team.

Tyson has been the best, then Ellis, then Dirk...all pretty close...then there is a large gap...then Parsons

3. I still hold out hope that they can get hot and make it interesting in the playoffs, but really it's just the West. It's an almost impossibly hard conference. If this Mavs team played in the East...they'd be thought of so differently. They'd be around 48-22 right now, clear 2nd in the conference, and would be being talked about as a finals/title contender. Mavs are 21-8 against the East this year.

It's just amazing how differently teams are viewed just because of their conference.

[DirkNowitzki41]

Literally just logged in.. read this thread.. saw 3 things

1. Dirk should call it quits because the Mavs are 'struggling' with a record of 44-26.. after just beating the Thunder and Clippers.

2. Parsons has been the best player this year. LOL. Not even close. Ty/Monta/Dirk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

3. Dumbest one yet, possibly in all of ISH history... that Dirk has had a mediocre career.

Time to log out. Some stupid ass kids in here.

[coin24]

Dirk is still a beast and has had a Top 20 career, some people are legit retarded on here.. His 2011 run was better than anything LeBaldo could ever do, plus destroying him in the process:lol

People forget about playoff Rondo, the guy is a machine..

[ErhnamDjinn]

Rofl 2 trips the the finals, season mvp, finals mvp multiple all star. All with just one team is considered a mediocre career now? Wow then I guess, barkley, malone, dr. J, stockton and countless other dudes are scrubs and had shitty careers aswell .:facepalm

[Smoke117]

The Mavs were never a serious contender before the trade. They saw a chance to actually remedy this...and it backfired. It happens.

[Hittin_Shots]

Rondo plays much better on the big stage. He routinely looks like he doesn't care in games that I'd guess he doesn't seem as important. But he goes ham come playoff time.

[CarlosBoozer]

So any team that isn't top 2 in their conference is a mess I guess?

A few things:

1. The Mavs team before the trade might have been a better regular season team, but there was no ****ing way that Jameer Nelson was going to be good enough at pg to get this team a title. Wright is an extremely over-rated player that thrives in the regular season and gets lost routinely on defense. He's still good, but he's not a difference maker for this Mavs team in the playoffs.

The trade might have cost us a couple wins in the regular season. Honestly not sure...we played a joke schedule early on this season and despite going through a couple tough times and injuries...the Mavs still have a really good record and are like 2 games out of being in 3rd in the West


2. Dirk's career is now mediocre? On what standard? He's easily had one of the 20 or so best careers ever by any standard or measure. It's his ****ing 17th season and he just made the all star team. He's been in a shooting slump for like 2 months until recently and his season averages are:

17/6/2 56% TS

It's just laughable that a player in year 17 at his age would be getting hate for how he's played. It's special stuff actually. And so many nights he's clearly our best player.

LOL @ the poster suggesting Parsons was the Mavs best player this season. The dude is clearly the 4th best player on this team.

Tyson has been the best, then Ellis, then Dirk...all pretty close...then there is a large gap...then Parsons

3. I still hold out hope that they can get hot and make it interesting in the playoffs, but really it's just the West. It's an almost impossibly hard conference. If this Mavs team played in the East...they'd be thought of so differently. They'd be around 48-22 right now, clear 2nd in the conference, and would be being talked about as a finals/title contender. Mavs are 21-8 against the East this year.

It's just amazing how differently teams are viewed just because of their conference.
http://i.imgur.com/GQlM3bt.png

[John Tesh]

Rondo has been terrible.

[TheBigVeto]

When a career loser like Amare calls you out, you know you have a problem. Ship be sinkin.

[DMAVS41]

When a career loser like Amare calls you out, you know you have a problem. Ship be sinkin.

Again...while I've been very low on this team all year from the jump.

The Mavs aren't some shit team. They are 3 games out of being 3rd in the West. They'd have the 2nd best record in the East, quite easily, at this point if they played in the East.

If they switched places with the Cavs...they'd be the favorites to make the finals or dead even with the Hawks...even with the "struggles"

They've dealt with a mid season trade, injury concerns, prolonged shooting slumps to their two best offensive players....and they are 44-27 in an insanely loaded and tough conference.

Did people think this team was going to win 65 games or something? I mean...they are going to win close to 50 yet again...and at least have the tools to make a run in the playoffs.

Probably won't happen, but to act like this team is a joke or something now is a huge mistake.

Again, put them in the East and switch places with the Cavs and I'd bet them to make the finals. See...last night we lost on the road to our 9th place team in the conference. A team that is 5 games above .500...while playing in the tougher conference. Not a scrub team 10 games under .500 playing in a joke conference like you'd play in the East. Put these Suns in the East and they'd be 4th or 5th....with a whole lot better record than 38-33.

Oh how playing in a joke conference changes so many things.

[tontoz]

:lol comedy gold right here folks

where's the dumbest things ever said on ISH thread... we have a new entry


Natthanjizzle has had his nose up Rose's crack for too long. Excessive methane exposure has clearly caused brain damage.

[TheBigVeto]

why not? his whole career has been mediocre, what makes you think he deserves better? someone like kobe deserves better.



Argument is automatically invalid considering this person said 'kobe deserves better'.