How hard would it be winning a championship with these guys as your frontcourt?

[dubeta]

Your Center/Enforcer, last line of defense whos supposed to dominate the boards and defend the opposing bigs

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rEZz57kca4w/UE8gPImCzqI/AAAAAAAABBQ/LsgQOvXeAnc/s640/bosh.jpg


Your PF, defensive bruiser whos guarding the David Wests, Hibberts of the world, and having to outrebound them

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/115/files/2013/05/7379904.jpg



How many players could win with those guys as the PF and Center, being the main defenders, bruisers, post scorers, rebounders on the team?

[warriorfan]

Your Center/Enforcer, last line of defense whos supposed to dominate the boards and defend the opposing bigs

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rEZz57kca4w/UE8gPImCzqI/AAAAAAAABBQ/LsgQOvXeAnc/s640/bosh.jpg


Your PF, defensive bruiser whos guarding the David Wests, Hibberts of the world, and having to outrebound them

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/115/files/2013/05/7379904.jpg



How many players could win with those guys as the PF and Center, being the main defenders, bruisers, post scorers, rebounders on the team?


Kevin Durant

[Milbuck]

Not sure, depends on whether or not you also have Dwyane Wade.

[J Shuttlesworth]

MJ and LeBron, I think.

[RightTwoCensor]

If we had Three-Peat Bosh instead of injured Dwight we'd be favorites to win it all.

[dubeta]

Not sure, depends on whether or not you also have Dwyane Wade.

Perhaps a half-season rental, while getting progressively worse in the playoffs

[dubeta]

If we had Three-Peat Bosh instead of injured Dwight we'd be favorites to win it all.

As long as you can duck any team in the playoffs with a big taller than 6'9 you should be fine

[dubeta]

MJ and LeBron, I think.


Not sure about that, MJ had Dennis Rodman aka the only man to guard Peak Shaq 1 on 1 and live to tell the tale


The entire Bosh species would get extinct if he had to guard Shaq

[J Shuttlesworth]

Not sure about that, MJ had Dennis Rodman aka the only man to guard Peak Shaq 1 on 1 and live to tell the tale


The entire Bosh species would get extinct if he had to guard Shaq
MJ got it done with Cartwright/Longley/Grant, so I think he could get it done.

[G0ATbe]

In the East, while having the 2nd greatest SG ever as a teammate as well? Almost every all star in the league would win championships with that.

[dubeta]

MJ got it done with Cartwright/Longley/Grant, so I think he could get it done.

Horace Grant = 6'10 250 pounds with elite post defense

Cartwright = 7'1 245 pounds elite defense and rebounding, basically a rich man's Mosgov


Longley = 7'2, white man's Roy Hibbert


So he had 2 guys taller than 7 feet, and another 6'10 guy who was an elite defender.

[Trollsmasher]

Dont forget that half of 2012 run was played with various combinations of Anthony/Haslem/Turiaf/Pittman on the center:lol

[dubeta]

In the East, while having the 2nd greatest SG ever as a teammate as well? Almost every all star in the league would win championships with that.

1. Jordan, 2. Wade, 3. Jerry West?

[AnaheimLakers24]

Not hard is you have wade

[dubeta]

Dont forget that half of 2012 run was played with various combinations of Anthony/Haslem/Turiaf/Pittman on the center:lol

Yup, and the sad part was they were usually the 3rd best player on the Heat :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

The HEAT had the best/most talented power forward for probrably every series they played out east

[KNOW1EDGE]

Chris Bosh is a center now?

And Battier is a power-forward now?
and power forwards guard Roy Hibbert?

I'm confused

[dubeta]

The HEAT had the best/most talented power forward for probrably every series they played out east

2012 playoffs- Bosh out in the 2nd and 3rd rounds


2013 playoffs- Bosh averaged 12 points and 7 rebounds a game, looks like a poor man's Lamar Odom.



But please tell me more :rolleyes:

[Soundwave]

In the modern NBA given the lack of good centers? Not that hard if you're a great player.

Forget Jordan, even Kobe would've 2 titles at least with Wade and Bosh. Shaq would've won 3-4+. Duncan 3+ as well.

[TheMarkMadsen]

2012 playoffs- Bosh out in the 2nd and 3rd rounds


2013 playoffs- Bosh averaged 12 points and 7 rebounds a game, looks like a poor man's Lamar Odom.



But please tell me more :rolleyes:

Odom averaged 10 points per game in the playoffs during the Lakers b2b titles

[GrapeApe]

Perhaps a half-season rental, while getting progressively worse in the playoffs

He only got "progressively worse" last year. In the '12 and '13 finals he averaged 23/6/5 and 20/5/4 respectively. As for the thread topic, the Heat didn't play a traditional style, largely because of the unique abilities of the big 3. It worked twice and failed twice.

[knicksman]

Jordan would be 6/6 with him and Kobe 5/7

[No_Look604]

Hey OP stop being a fakkit. Remember DWAYNE WADE? One of the best shooting guards of all-time?

[Papaya Petee]

Well that depends.

Do you have a teammate in 2012 who will average 23\5\5 in the playoffs and 23\6\5 in the finals?

Or a player who will average 20\5\4 in the finals and down 1-2 away in the series go for 32\6\4 while closing the game out? Or a 23\10 game 7?

[JT123]

2012 playoffs- Bosh out in the 2nd and 3rd rounds


2013 playoffs- Bosh averaged 12 points and 7 rebounds a game, looks like a poor man's Lamar Odom.



But please tell me more :rolleyes:
:applause: Lebron's 2013 playoff run was a Hakeem like carry job. Wade and Bosh looked like straight up bench players for 90% of the playoffs.

[ralph_i_el]

Ummm both of those dudes also space the FUXK out of the floor for easy offense. There's a reason why the Heat played a blitzing style of D in hopes of forcing lots of turnovers....their frontcourt couldn't hold down the paint.

[JebronLames]

LeBron is the only perimeter player in history who could win with those heat teams. Unbelievable!

[dubeta]

LeBron is the only perimeter player in history who could win with those heat teams. Unbelievable!

Underrated poster :applause:

[Jameerthefear]

I just can't fathom the thought that Lebron actually won with that little help. Shit is unbelievable.

[retaxis]

Odom averaged 10 points per game in the playoffs during the Lakers b2b titles
From the Bench.

They had the biggest/strongest centre in the game in Bynum and the best PF in the league at that time in Gasol and a bruiser SF/PF in Artest. They had the twin towers there to clean up and put back any misses.

Bynum would eat bosh alive and Pau Gasol would absolutely kill Battier then Odom would come on to take away the garbage. Kobe just had to miss some shots to win the championship it was that easy.

[Trollsmasher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlHmHKzl7eU

Down 2-1, LeBron puts up 40/18/9/2/2 on 59% TS in Indiana while playing half of the game as a center, holding West and Hibbert to combined 7-17 shooting for 18 points (starting 5 for the Heat Turiaf only played 14 minues). While doing all of this, he also managed to get until then terribly playing D-Wade going by providing him with a couple of easy buckets in the first half:bowdown: :bowdown:

Unbelievable

[You Cant Ban Me]

kobe couldnt do it

[hahaitme]

In the East, while having the 2nd greatest SG ever as a teammate as well? Almost every all star in the league would win championships with that.

:applause:

[iamgine]

They were guarding 35 yr old Garnett, Hibbert, Tyson Chandler and Kendrick Perkins in the playoff. Not exactly offensive powerhouses. Add to that Wade and Lebron were excellent rebounders and shotblocker themselves.

The best they guarded was 36 yrs old Tim Duncan and look how that worked out.

[Dresta]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlHmHKzl7eU

Down 2-1, LeBron puts up 40/18/9/2/2 on 59% TS in Indiana while playing half of the game as a center, holding West and Hibbert to combined 7-17 shooting for 18 points (starting 5 for the Heat Turiaf only played 14 minues). While doing all of this, he also managed to get until then terribly playing D-Wade going by providing him with a couple of easy buckets in the first half:bowdown: :bowdown:

Unbelievable
Nonsense. Wade played better than Lebron to win the last 3 games of that series, and here you are giving Lebron the credit for turning his play around? How ludicrous! Bron holding down West and Hibbert on his lonesome :oldlol:.

This series was a good example of reaching a point where, prior to having Wade on his team (and in his ear), he would have folded in embarrassing fashion.

[Blue&Orange]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmwJipHdqpA

Those guys felt pretty good about their frontcourt.


I wonder when the 2\5 celebration will happen. It's due, maybe waiting for the 2\6.

[Trollsmasher]

Nonsense. Wade played better than Lebron to win the last 3 games of that series, and here you are giving Lebron the credit for turning his play around? How ludicrous! Bron holding down West and Hibbert on his lonesome :oldlol:.

This series was a good example of reaching a point where, prior to having Wade on his team (and in his ear), he would have folded in embarrassing fashion.
LeBron: 33/11/8/2/1 on 62% TS with 3 TOs, All Time Great defense, shutting down the frontcourt basically by himself
Wade: 33/7/3/2/1 on 64% TS with 3 TOs, mediocre defense

LeBron clearly played better than Wade in those 3 games. And let's not forget about Wade's "fantastic" 1st halves in that series which were the single cause of most Heat's problems. In game 4 he was once again terrible with 3-10 for 8 points in the 1st half and LeBron was the sole reason they were even in the game (even with his 19 points they were down 8 at half thanks to Wade playing like a teenage girl on her first period). He only got it going in the 3rd quarter where 3 of his 6 baskets (+ one trip to the line) were assisted by James.

[Blue&Orange]

this thread is hilarious and a testimony to what i've said many time, weakest era since the 60's. People talking about West and Hibbert like they had any relevance in NBA history.

[Trollsmasher]

LeBron: 33/11/8/2/1 on 62% TS with 3 TOs, All Time Great defense, shutting down the frontcourt basically by himself
Wade: 33/7/3/2/1 on 64% TS with 3 TOs, mediocre defense

LeBron clearly played better than Wade in those 3 games. And let's not forget about Wade's "fantastic" 1st halves in that series which were the single cause of most Heat's problems. In game 4 he was once again terrible with 3-10 for 8 points in the 1st half and LeBron was the sole reason they were even in the game (even with his 19 points they were down 8 at half thanks to Wade playing like a teenage girl on her first period). He only got it going in the 3rd quarter where 3 of his 6 baskets (+ one trip to the line) were assisted by James.
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[HiphopRelated]

LeBron: 33/11/8/2/1 on 62% TS with 3 TOs, All Time Great defense, shutting down the frontcourt basically by himself
Wade: 33/7/3/2/1 on 64% TS with 3 TOs, mediocre defense

LeBron clearly played better than Wade in those 3 games. And let's not forget about Wade's "fantastic" 1st halves in that series which were the single cause of most Heat's problems. In game 4 he was once again terrible with 3-10 for 8 points in the 1st half and LeBron was the sole reason they were even in the game (even with his 19 points they were down 8 at half thanks to Wade playing like a teenage girl on her first period). He only got it going in the 3rd quarter where 3 of his 6 baskets (+ one trip to the line) were assisted by James.
I remember games being wrapped up that series then Lebron goes into statpad mode taking every shot to make his contribution look close to Wade's.

It was embarassing in games 5 and 6.

[Trollsmasher]

I remember games being wrapped up that series then Lebron goes into statpad mode taking every shot to make his contribution look close to Wade's.

It was embarassing in games 5 and 6.
It was in fact D-Wade who got 10 points in the 4th quarter of G5 which was already > 20 point blowout after 3 quarters

So your memory is fvcking shitty. Get out

[beastee]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif
Wait...did you just Garnett GIF your own post? Or was it supposed to be with an alt? :roll: :roll: Pathetic.

[Beastmode88]

LeBron is the only perimeter player in history who could win with those heat teams. Unbelievable!

So if lebron was so good why did he have to join wade's team to win a championship?

[Trollsmasher]

Wait...did you just Garnett GIF your own post? Or was it supposed to be with an alt? :roll: :roll: Pathetic.
newf*g

[PJR]

I really don't know how D.Wade did it. Just an incredible player. GOAT.

[3ball]

The entire Bosh species would get extinct if he had to guard Shaq


Same as Shaq did to Rodman in 1996 ECF: 27 PPG / 11 RPG / 4 APG / 64% FG .. :confusedshrug:





Bosh, Battier


> Rodman, Longley

Rodman averaged 4 PPG and 8 RPG in the entire 1997 playoffs, and 3 PPG and 8 RPG in the 1998 Finals... all on horrible efficiency.. Bosh has never played that bad... ever... Look how the much of a negative the stats say Rodman was on offense.. The Bulls were playing 4 on 5 offensively at all times.

Fortunately, MJ's GOAT production was achieved in a fashion (off-ball (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10862372&postcount=18)) that didn't hinder teammates' production, which enabled the TEAM to realize maximum production/prevent underachievement (i.e. 6/6).

When the team's star player is getting his production in a way that doesn't hinder teammates and the team is playing to capacity, blowouts like the 2014 Finals are not possible.. Miami lost that series because the team did not play to capacity, due to weak-passive Lebron-ball.. Many Heat players underachieved statistically in that series, including Lebron.

[sd3035]

Same as Shaq did to Rodman in 1996 ECF: 27 PPG / 11 RPG / 4 APG / 64% FG .. :confusedshrug:



> Rodman, Longley

Rodman averaged 4 PPG and 8 RPG in the entire 1997 playoffs, and 3 PPG and 8 RPG in the 1998 Finals... all on horrible efficiency.. Bosh has never played that bad... ever... Look how the much of a negative the stats say Rodman was on offense.. The Bulls were playing 4 on 5 offensively at all times.

Fortunately, MJ's GOAT production was achieved in a fashion (off-ball (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10862372&postcount=18)) that didn't hinder teammates' production, which enabled the TEAM to realize maximum production/prevent underachievement (i.e. 6/6).

When the team's star player is getting his production in a way that doesn't hinder teammates and the team is playing to capacity, blowouts like the 2014 Finals are not possible.. Miami lost that series because the team did not play to capacity, due to weak-passive Lebron-ball.. Many Heat players underachieved statistically in that series, including Lebron.


:lebronamazed: :lebronamazed:

[DatAsh]

LeBron: 33/11/8/2/1 on 62% TS with 3 TOs, All Time Great defense, shutting down the frontcourt basically by himself
Wade: 33/7/3/2/1 on 64% TS with 3 TOs, mediocre defense

LeBron clearly played better than Wade in those 3 games. And let's not forget about Wade's "fantastic" 1st halves in that series which were the single cause of most Heat's problems. In game 4 he was once again terrible with 3-10 for 8 points in the 1st half and LeBron was the sole reason they were even in the game (even with his 19 points they were down 8 at half thanks to Wade playing like a teenage girl on her first period). He only got it going in the 3rd quarter where 3 of his 6 baskets (+ one trip to the line) were assisted by James.

Wade was great on defense. Lebron was better in the series though.

[Trollsmasher]

Same as Shaq did to Rodman in 1996 ECF: 27 PPG / 11 RPG / 4 APG / 64% FG .. :confusedshrug:



> Rodman, Longley

Rodman averaged 4 PPG and 8 RPG in the entire 1997 playoffs, and 3 PPG and 8 RPG in the 1998 Finals... all on horrible efficiency.. Bosh has never played that bad... ever... Look how the much of a negative the stats say Rodman was on offense.. The Bulls were playing 4 on 5 offensively at all times.

Fortunately, MJ's GOAT production was achieved in a fashion (off-ball (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10862372&postcount=18)) that didn't hinder teammates' production, which enabled the TEAM to realize maximum production/prevent underachievement (i.e. 6/6).

When the team's star player is getting his production in a way that doesn't hinder teammates and the team is playing to capacity, blowouts like the 2014 Finals are not possible.. Miami lost that series because the team did not play to capacity, due to weak-passive Lebron-ball.. Many Heat players underachieved statistically in that series, including Lebron.
which one is it again?

[20Four]

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[Hey Yo]

So if lebron was so good why did he have to join wade's team to win a championship?
What all-star UFA has ever signed with Cleveland prior to the 2010-11 season?

[3ball]

which one is it again?


Those are Rodman's regular season PPG averages too boss - Rodman just sucked offensively.. Just look at his offensive box score +/- on basketball-reference.com - they are all severely negative - the Bulls were playing 4 on 5 offensively at all times.

Fortunately, MJ's GOAT production was achieved in a fashion (off-ball (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10862372&postcount=18)) that didn't hinder teammates' production, which enabled the TEAM to realize maximum production/prevent underachievement (i.e. 6/6).

When the team's star player is getting his production in a way that doesn't hinder teammates and the team is playing to capacity, blowouts like the 2014 Finals are not possible.. Miami lost that series because the team did not play to capacity, due to weak-passive Lebron-ball.. Many Heat players underachieved statistically in that series, including Lebron.

[dubeta]

LeBron: 33/11/8/2/1 on 62% TS with 3 TOs, All Time Great defense, shutting down the frontcourt basically by himself
Wade: 33/7/3/2/1 on 64% TS with 3 TOs, mediocre defense

LeBron clearly played better than Wade in those 3 games. And let's not forget about Wade's "fantastic" 1st halves in that series which were the single cause of most Heat's problems. In game 4 he was once again terrible with 3-10 for 8 points in the 1st half and LeBron was the sole reason they were even in the game (even with his 19 points they were down 8 at half thanks to Wade playing like a teenage girl on her first period). He only got it going in the 3rd quarter where 3 of his 6 baskets (+ one trip to the line) were assisted by James.


This.