Prime Kobe vs Prime Westbrook Vs Prime Harden

[dubeta]

Pick one player to build your franchise around...

Highest PER:

Kobe - 28.0

James Harden- 26.73

Westbrook - 29.67

[RightToCensor]

Post the team record during their peak season

[dubeta]

Post the team record during their peak season

I'm a kobe fan so I won't since it would make Kobe look bad

[RightToCensor]

I'd go with Harden.

[20Four]

I'm a kobe fan so I won't since it would make Kobe look bad
dude STFU you lying son of a bitch you aint no kobe fan you a leBRONZE nut hugger

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[AnaheimLakers24]

I pick Kobe Bryant. Second choice would be westbrook.

[Showtime2001]

Kobe and its not even close.

[Beastmode88]

Kobe -> GOATBrook (for now) -> Harden

[greatest-ever]

To build a franchise all from their 1st season? How do you not pick Kobe? He is more proven and we know he would have excellent longevity. Harden is 2nd, Westbook is last because his type of game won't age as well.

[Cold soul]

Kobe how is this even a question? Seriously, Kobe is second tier talent in NBA history and one of top 10 greatest players ever while Harden and Westbrook not even top 50 all time yet.

[gts]

I'm a kobe fan :roll: this kids got jokes... bad ones but jokes none the less

[RightToCensor]

Can someone post the team record of all three in their peak season. I'm curious.

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol @ Kobe being a second tier talent. Lol.

Anybody that's respected and been around professional basketball says differently.

[Cold soul]

Lol @ Kobe being a second tier talent. Lol.

Anybody that's respected and been around professional basketball says differently.

Let me explain: Tier 1: MJ, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Magic.

Tier 2: Kobe, Shaq, Bird, Duncan, Lebron, Hakeem, Oscar.

This is just my opinion of course I meet no disrespect towards Kobe he's my favorite sports athlete ever regardless of any sport I follow.

[Mr. Jabbar]

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[Sportal]

You think this is their primes..? How old are they again?

[34-24 Footwork]

Let me explain: Tier 1: MJ, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Magic.

Tier 2: Kobe, Shaq, Bird, Duncan, Lebron, Hakeem, Oscar.

This is just my opinion of course I meet no disrespect towards Kobe he's my favorite sports athlete ever regardless of any sport I follow.


i feel you. I respect you as a poster, bro. It's just that when "tier 1" guys refer to Kobe as the greatest laker ever. Or when another tier one guy says that Kobe is the only person worth a comparison speaks volumes about Kobe's placement and contradicts what you're saying. That's all. No disrespect.

[Cold soul]

i feel you. I respect you as a poster, bro. It's just that when "tier 1" guys refer to Kobe as the greatest laker ever. Or when another tier one guy says that Kobe is the only person worth a comparison speaks volumes about Kobe's placement and contradicts what you're saying. That's all. No disrespect.

I myself feel Kobe is GOAT Laker for all he's done for franchise 19 years of mostly greatness from start to finish with amazing moments on top of so many accomplishments alone he surpassed Magic for me due to longevity.

[Lebronxrings]

im a kobe fan but tbh
harden
westbrook




kobe

[Lebronxrings]

who just negged me just now? ****ing fakkit, ill smack you right now, tell me who this was. Idiots like you are the reason im still in the red while trolls are green.

[AirBourne92]

who just negged me just now? ****ing fakkit, ill smack you right now, tell me who this was. Idiots like you are the reason im still in the red while trolls are green.


i negged you you little corny ass fakkit

do somethin about it you demented remedial ***

fukin worthless piece of shit

if you ever even had the balls to come see me face to face id shove you back up your dad's asshole where you came from mother ****er

[RightTwoCensor]

Harden's playmaking is eons ahead of either player at age 25. What you see are free throws, three pointers, and layups, what I (and Rockets fans) see are low volume shots taken at a medium percentage that output a high number of points.

[knicksman]

you can include bran in there

5/7>>2/5>>0>>0

[RightTwoCensor]

you can include bran in there

5/7>>2/5>>0>>0
Simpleton #1

[knicksman]

Simpleton #1

says the harden fan:yaohappy:

[RightTwoCensor]

says the harden fan:yaohappy:
Says the person who still calls Lebron "bran"

Stop following trends because you're insecure about yourself.

[AirBourne92]

Says the person who still calls Lebron "bran"

Stop following trends because you're insecure about yourself.


im no psychologist, but if anything, you're the one who's projecting with this post right here

[knicksman]

Says the person who still calls Lebron "bran"

Stop following trends because you're insecure about yourself.

says the harden fan:yaohappy:

[knicksman]

im no psychologist, but if anything, you're the one who's projecting with this post right here

the guy is a bran stan, then durant, harden and its me whos following trends:coleman:

[scandisk_]

Is this even a question :roll:

don't fukkin disrespect prime kobe like that :facepalm

[RightToCensor]

Prime Kobe = 7th seed in West
Prime Westbrook = 8th seed in West
Prime Harden = 2nd or 3rd seed in West

Winning tells the story. Harden's game = more wins. The Lakers and Thunder are too dependent on their star player shooting them into games, Harden can have a bad shooting game and his team walk away with the victory because he impacts the game outside of scoring more than prime Kobe and Westbrook did.

If Kobe had Harden's passing he'd be in the Top Five All-Time.

[dubeta]

I think that's the moral of the thread
They are all similar in being the building block of a team


Kobe, Westbrook, and Harden are all similar in being the main guy on the team


Whereas with LeBron you have to compare him to peak Jordan and peak Shaq in being a franchise player.

Two different standards

[scm5]

Remember when an old ass Kobe defended a young ass Westbrook as if he were Rondo?

[warriorfan]

OP way to prove your point about how good Kobe was.



Thread backfire.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Mr.Triple double Russell Westbrook


They're at par in scoring....but unlike the others....Westbrook is an elite passer,rebounder.

Btw Westbrook has had more triple doubles this season....then Harden in his entire career

[ScarSymmetry]

Westbrook and Harden over Kobe.

At least Westbrook gets assists and rebounds as well as chucking.

[scandisk_]

Prime Kobe today on the current lake squad

35ppg on 48-49% shooting

:pimp:

[Foster5k]

dude STFU you lying son of a bitch you aint no kobe fan you a leBRONZE nut hugger

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I giggled.

[CasterL]

Mission accomplished for op.

Kobe with ease.

[Prime_Shaq]

Let me explain: Tier 1: MJ, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Magic.

Tier 2: Kobe, Shaq, Bird, Duncan, Lebron, Hakeem, Oscar.

This is just my opinion of course I meet no disrespect towards Kobe he's my favorite sports athlete ever regardless of any sport I follow.
How is Magic and Bird on completely different tiers and how is Shaq tier 2?

[KobesFinger]

Prime Kobe = 7th seed in West
Prime Westbrook = 8th seed in West
Prime Harden = 2nd or 3rd seed in West

Winning tells the story. Harden's game = more wins. The Lakers and Thunder are too dependent on their star player shooting them into games, Harden can have a bad shooting game and his team walk away with the victory because he impacts the game outside of scoring more than prime Kobe and Westbrook did.

If Kobe had Harden's passing he'd be in the Top Five All-Time.

So the Rockets are stacked and if they don't make the Finals then James Harden is a dirty bummy looking scrub with no game? Got it.

[greatest-ever]

You think this is their primes..? How old are they again?
Yeah it pretty clear is their prime, maybe not peak but prime for sure. Harden is 25 and Westbrook is 26. I don't know of any guards who have not hit their prime by that age except for maybe Nash who was an anomoly for when his best years came.

[greatest-ever]

Prime Kobe = 7th seed in West
Prime Westbrook = 8th seed in West
Prime Harden = 2nd or 3rd seed in West

Winning tells the story. Harden's game = more wins. The Lakers and Thunder are too dependent on their star player shooting them into games, Harden can have a bad shooting game and his team walk away with the victory because he impacts the game outside of scoring more than prime Kobe and Westbrook did.

If Kobe had Harden's passing he'd be in the Top Five All-Time.
Wow is this disingenuous lol, and it's not even a concensus that Kobe peaked in 06 or 07. Many will argue 08, 09, 03 or even 01. So basically you nitpick and use Kobe's years when his supporting cast was at it's worst in order to advance your agenda. Its also disingenuous how you completely disregard the postseason in which Harden has been a disaster his last 3 seasons. Believe it or not Harden is not playing with scrubs.

Lol at using team records in a vaccum to decide who the better player is. By your logic Derek Fisher>Chris Paul as he's been on a 1st seed team and Paul has not.

[AirBourne92]

Prime Kobe = 7th seed in West
Prime Westbrook = 8th seed in West
Prime Harden = 2nd or 3rd seed in West

Winning tells the story. Harden's game = more wins. The Lakers and Thunder are too dependent on their star player shooting them into games, Harden can have a bad shooting game and his team walk away with the victory because he impacts the game outside of scoring more than prime Kobe and Westbrook did.

If Kobe had Harden's passing he'd be in the Top Five All-Time.

you can just tell by the way this guy types and posts that he's a fkin dweeb ass bitch irl

[RightToCensor]

Stay simple you simpletons.

[supernova5912]

Prime Kobe = 7th seed in West
Prime Westbrook = 8th seed in West
Prime Harden = 2nd or 3rd seed in West

Winning tells the story. Harden's game = more wins. The Lakers and Thunder are too dependent on their star player shooting them into games, Harden can have a bad shooting game and his team walk away with the victory because he impacts the game outside of scoring more than prime Kobe and Westbrook did.

If Kobe had Harden's passing he'd be in the Top Five All-Time.

Harden has better teammates (at his current peak) than peak Kobe. Let's look at the playoffs.

Per 100-

05-07 Kobe Bryant:

- 35.1 points/6.8 rebounds/5.7 assists/1.3 steals/0.5 blocks
- 48.0 FG%/50.9 2P%/38.1 3P%/83.5 FT%/57.5 TS%/30.9 USG%

2012-14 Harden:

- 32.3 points/6.9 rebounds/6.3 assists/2.4 steals/0.7 blocks
- 38.3 FG%/42.7 2P%/31.6 3P%/84.5 FT%/53.3 TS%/29.7 USG%

[DMAVS41]

Harden has better teammates (at his current peak) than peak Kobe. Let's look at the playoffs.

Per 100-

05-07 Kobe Bryant:

- 35.1 points/6.8 rebounds/5.7 assists/1.3 steals/0.5 blocks
- 48.0 FG%/50.9 2P%/38.1 3P%/83.5 FT%/57.5 TS%/30.9 USG%

2012-14 Harden:

- 32.3 points/6.9 rebounds/6.3 assists/2.4 steals/0.7 blocks
- 38.3 FG%/42.7 2P%/31.6 3P%/84.5 FT%/53.3 TS%/29.7 USG%


This.

Harden's playoff play (really what matters the most for players of this caliber) has been levels below prime Kobe.

This is a huge playoffs for Harden. He's coming off a terrible finals in 12 and then two good, but not great playoff performances the last 2 years. Another sub 55% TS and no defense playing first round exit would be a bad 4 year look for Harden.

Comparing him to prime/peak Kobe at this point is laughable until he proves his game when the games really count.

[You Cant Ban Me]

dude STFU you lying son of a bitch you aint no kobe fan you a leBRONZE nut hugger

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[ABfor3]

This.

Harden's playoff play (really what matters the most for players of this caliber) has been levels below prime Kobe.

This is a huge playoffs for Harden. He's coming off a terrible finals in 12 and then two good, but not great playoff performances the last 2 years. Another sub 55% TS and no defense playing first round exit would be a bad 4 year look for Harden.

Comparing him to prime/peak Kobe at this point is laughable until he proves his game when the games really count.

Completely agree, Harden must prove himself when it matters most in order to be in discussion with Kobe,Wade,Etc. He's been great during the regular season but playoffs is where legends are made.