Will we ever get to a type 1 civilization ?

[Rodmantheman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NPC47qMJVg

I don't think so too much violence and backward minded people on earth. It's an interesting scenario though.

[sweggeh]

YOO WTF I was literally going to make a thread with this question right now. Omg...this is mad weird.

But for the topic, yes we will eventually. Not sure when. Hopefully soon.

[Rodmantheman]

Just imagine how far we would have progressed without backward religious fanatics.

[Velocirap31]

Once religion is gone, we'll have a chance.

[Rodmantheman]

Once religion is gone, we'll have a chance.

There are other factors but that one is a huge for sure.

[Velocirap31]

There are other factors but that one is a huge for sure.

It seems to be the only thing that people unquestionably hate one another for and are willing to kill each other for.

[deja vu]

It seems to be the only thing that people unquestionably hate one another for and are willing to kill each other for.
Ever heard of money?

[Velocirap31]

Ever heard of money?

I don't know about unquestionable hate, but kill, of course.

[knickballer]

Once religion is gone, we'll have a chance.

I actually think greed, politics, power, etc, are much bigger threats. I'd rather keep this short but human greed(such as corporations, oil comapnies, etc) have intentionally suppressed technologies for their own profit. War is a profitable industry companies/people make billions-trillions off of the result of human bodies.. Media and political figures purposely divide the masses with insignificant events that get them mad and eventually profit off the division. It's just so stupid and human greed is at the center of it.

[Akrazotile]

Once religion is gone, we'll have a chance.


So religion wasnt around when we developed paper and aquaducts and roadways and electricity and cars and internet?

[ILLsmak]

It seems to be the only thing that people unquestionably hate one another for and are willing to kill each other for.

Nah...

People at the top want to manipulate others into doing said things. Religion is just the most effective brainwashing technique atm.

If it wasn't there, it's hard to imagine there wouldn't be something else.

Hate and killing are not rare things.

-Smak

[Giaodollo]

It seems to be the only thing that people unquestionably hate one another for and are willing to kill each other for.
This is as simple of explanation as it can get and I don't even think you believe it. Religion is not the root of all evil no matter how much atheist wants to believe it. Hate existed before religion and it will exist after religion.

[scandisk_]

Governments, Central Banks, weapon dealers did harm humanity more than Religion brah.

The 100 year transition to a type 1 civilization sounds like a pipe dream to me. We're greedy as ever and nations having huge conflicts of interest certainly doesn't help. Not saying it's unattainable, but it's not going to happen anytime soon :roll: I'm really starting to believe that our species where designed to destroy and corrupt. Yup! utopia sounds like a pipe dream.

[knickballer]

This is as simple of explanation as it can get and I don't even think you believe it. Religion is not the root of all evil no matter how much atheist wants to believe it. Hate existed before religion and it will exist after religion.

This. The Tribe mentality is rooted in us from thousands of years of evolution. To me religion is not the main problem. There's always rift that divides us into sectarian groups. Republicans vs democrats, liberals vs conservatives, whites vs blacks vs hispanic vs asians, rich vs poor, the religious rifts, etc. Always some rift that the media or politicians create to further divide us. In the western world religious rifts are hardly a pressing issue. I'm trying to think how much influence religion has on my life and surroundings and it's practically none. The only cases can be from muslim immigrants struggling to assimilate in the west but even that's probably blow out of proportion.

I don't think we'll meet the energy levels needed for a level 1 civilization. Not with how powerful and lucrative the oil industry is today and they'll try to maintain the current set up for ever how long they can. They won't go without a fight either. They'll purposely halt green energy technology(already done this for quite a while now), they already are in bed with every politician on the planet and already have their pipelines all over the world.

[fiddy]

World Government coming after WW3, just wait.

[HitandRun Reggie]

One of the biggest problems slowing the progress of man, is that the world is getting indisputably dumber and less ambitious. The cranial capacity and average IQ of humans is actually shrinking. The world's dumb people are breeding like rabbits, and the more intelligent people aren't having as many kids. There are still lots of smart people around, moving the world forward but one of these days there will be a tipping point.

Unless something is done to make sure every new generation is not getting dumber, the human race as we know it is doomed.

[joe]

One of the biggest problems slowing the progress of man, is that the world is getting indisputably dumber and less ambitious. The cranial capacity and average IQ of humans is actually shrinking. The world's dumb people are breeding like rabbits, and the more intelligent people aren't having as many kids. There are still lots of smart people around, moving the world forward but one of these days there will be a tipping point.

Unless something is done to make sure every new generation is not getting dumber, the human race as we know it is doomed.

Not really. Humans are so successful that we have no reason to value intelligence, from the standpoint of evolution. You don't need to be intelligent to have kids- that is a sign of our dominance over the food chain. Dumb rabbits do not often get to mate. You have to be smart enough to avoid getting eaten, for one.

If there was ever a need for human evolution to select for intelligence, or any other trait, it would happen. We don't have a need for it right now.




This is kind of a good argument, maybe, for why aliens have not visited us yet. Maybe once an intelligent species comes to dominate its planet, it eventually has no reason to value intelligence, and then never invents the necessary technology to travel the galaxy. ha

[HitandRun Reggie]

Not really. Humans are so successful that we have no reason to value intelligence, from the standpoint of evolution. You don't need to be intelligent to have kids- that is a sign of our dominance over the food chain. Dumb rabbits do not often get to mate. You have to be smart enough to avoid getting eaten, for one.

If there was ever a need for human evolution to select for intelligence, or any other trait, it would happen. We don't have a need for it right now.




This is kind of a good argument, maybe, for why aliens have not visited us yet. Maybe once an intelligent species comes to dominate its planet, it eventually has no reason to value intelligence, and then never invents the necessary technology to travel the galaxy. ha


"Success" from the standpoint of natural evolution perhaps. All that means is basically population yield and preventing encroachment from other competitors. The gap between us and the rest of Earth's species is so wide, were destined to stay on top basically forever until some catastrophic event takes place. But as far as human advancement like energy independence, space exploration, medical technologies, etc, we will slow down to a crawl and begin to reverse all the advances made if something is not done about our declining intelligence.

I don't think that will happen, advancement reversal I mean, because I think in the future humans will separate into at least 2 different classes of people, and possibly different species. An advanced class of humans, and a worker class. Once the few remaining intelligent, ambitious humans realize that society is screwed if they don't do something drastic, they will act to preserve human advancement and the salvation of the human race as they see it.

[Akrazotile]

One of the biggest problems slowing the progress of man, is that the world is getting indisputably dumber and less ambitious. The cranial capacity and average IQ of humans is actually shrinking. The world's dumb people are breeding like rabbits, and the more intelligent people aren't having as many kids. There are still lots of smart people around, moving the world forward but one of these days there will be a tipping point.

Unless something is done to make sure every new generation is not getting dumber, the human race as we know it is doomed.



For someone whose entire life revolves around making internet gimmick accounts, youre really bad at keeping them a secret :facepalm

[HitandRun Reggie]

For someone whose entire life revolves around making internet gimmick accounts, youre really bad at keeping them a secret :facepalm

What are you babbling about? And even if that was true, how would you know since you have only been a member for a year right?

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[Akrazotile]

What are you babbling about? And even if that was true, how would you know since you have only been a member for a year right?

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Where's LeBaldo?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

OF ALL THE PEOPLE in this thread, the guy born in a country with churches and mosques being burned in the 1990s, human trafficking, blood feuds, grown adults who believe in concepts like guarding against the "Evil Eye", boys being called Hekuran, Luan, GETS IT RIGHT.

Kidding about the middle part. No one can prove otherwise =)

It's innate hardwired biological tribalism and the innate corruption of people in power and avarice.

How do you fix that?

Well... RELIGIONS ACTUALLY ORIGINALLY ATTEMPTED TO DO THIS by a) culling off racism through virtues such as compassion, love, universal brotherhood, union beneath One God b) concepts such as karma, ahimsa, dharma, kifarah, golden rule and c) Deriving Happiness from serving something that's far more powerful than all Humanity/afterlife to combat nihilism

And now they're receiving the blame by Velocirap31 with him being blind to Tribalism INJECTED into Religion (a la Arabs vs Romans vs Hebrews).. predated by (Assyrians vs Summerians vs Akkadians) then (Persians vs Romans).. and subsequently by (Saracens vs Templars) has surfaced in division.
Then you get greedy and powerful like Smaug says "I wanna see dat gold drive Thoren Oakenshield madddd" the gaping hole in the heart wants more and more and soon that inner voice of justice starts to dull and oh the horror! that childlike pure heart starts to wane blacker and blacker as the money piles up and piles up but to keep that fix goin u gotta do dem sketchy thangz, and finally you don't think that the 50-60 something years is all tehre is.


Anywho, methinks one should simply demand higher intellectual and moral standards for all the human populace. Something faaarrr out. Along the lines of Ayn Rand's Objectivist rationle format meets the morals that a High Priest had to earn through the Egyptian Book of the Dead Ritual.

Starting with Kindergarten and 1st Grade
- Have a division of labor amongst people in accordance to their innate talents.
- Automate everything.
- Design a curriculum that demands people to legitimately exercise the faculties of their intellect.... split it off into say debate class with critical thinking... Starface can be the drill sergeant critique since he's on point with the "HAVE SOME FUKKING SUBSTANCE rants bleating sheep!". Then have another section for simple brainstorming and creative thinking. Another one for decision process. A physical fitness class that teaches mind over matter. etc. etc.
- Have extreme shaming for a variety of sins. the same people who would attack sluts would be the first to attack any who didn't fit in with people who didn't behave in a civilized fashion. If people wish to speak, they must ponder and become more efficient communicators..
- perhaps invest technology into devices faciliting telepathy? Surely language might not be necessary if someone can conjure pictures, motions, words or something more potent to convey their thoughts into other minds at a quicker rate.
- offer intergalactice alien diplomatic treatises with barter systems where whatever the Reptilians see that are precious within us would be exchanged in lieu of their fanciest schmanciest ships and genetic engineering.
- have test tube babies being born designed for the sole purpose of becoming the best at what they do.

[Dresta]

ha, human beings are, for the most part, mindless fanatics. Just wait until all the comforts and amenities provided by the government-as-parent dry up - then you can forget about modern conceptions of the inherent 'goodness' of man. I think one of the worst and most ahistorical estimations of man is that he's on a continuous upwards slope, that this constitutes 'progress', and that this will constitute some sort of salvation and redemption from all the suffering of the present and past. God as physician and medicine man (has anyone else noticed how many of the former responsibilities of priests have now been taken up by doctors?).

The belief that everything is heading upward and forward shows human beings have remarkably short memories, as well as a terrible arrogance and conceit about themselves and their fellow herdsmen. Modern man is a particularly unimpressive spectacle when compared with the types produced by the great civilisations of the past (e.g. ancient Greece, the Renaissance): he appears sickly and weak in comparison, softer, less able to accept the suffering that is life's inevitable accompaniment (even to celebrate it in the form of tragedy). An increase in timidity, in cowardice, in the need for comfort and luxury - these things are not 'progress.'

The most basic thing that needs to be admitted by all (if any proper debate is to be had), is that all forms of government and rule necessitate the development of a ruling class, an aristocratic class. The difference being, that in democracies, the ruling classes are always composed of culture-devoid plutocrats and celebrities (who face an entirely different legal system to the masses, despite whatever pretences might be made), which makes it perhaps the most banal, the most pointless, and the most idiotic aristocracy yet seen on earth.

The plebs used to be obsessed by the goings on of the aristocrats, now they are obsessed by the goings on of the celebtocracy - the gossip of the masses has simply shifted from one group to another, as has the desire to emulate. The major difference being that former was based on the ideas of virtue and honour, the latter on avarice and fame. This doesn't mark a 'progression' of any sort, in my eyes.