Shooting data for Shaq, Timmy, KG, Dirk, and other big men since 2000-01

[RRR3]

Here is the shooting data for the top big men of recent times. Numbers go back to the 2000-01 season. Many great big men of the 80s and 90s weren't included because they didn't play long in the 2000s. I have added 2PT% and overall FG% (since 2000-01) for this thread. I didn't include tweeners (Marion, Odom, Jamison) mostly because I'm lazy. Will try to add that in for my earlier threads later.


Average field goal attempt distance

Dirk Nowitzki: 14.8 feet
Rasheed Wallace: 14.5 feet
Kevin Love: 11.9 feet
Kevin Garnett: 11.3 feet
LaMarcus Aldridge: 11.1 feet
Chris Webber: 10.7 feet
Chris Bosh: 10.6 feet
Anthony Davis: 8.6 feet
Jermaine O'Neal: 8.4 feet
Elton Brand: 8.4 feet
Blake Griffin: 8.4 feet
Zach Randoph: 8.1 feet
Tim Duncan: 8.1 feet
DeMarcus Cousins: 8.0 feet
Carlos Boozer: 7.9 feet
Al Jefferson: 7.8 feet
Pau Gasol: 7.2 feet
Amar'e Stoudemire: 6.9 feet
Yao Ming: 6.7 feet
David Lee: 6.6 feet
Dwight Howard: 3.7 feet
Shaquille O'Neal: 3.6 feet



% of FGA taken from 0-3 feet

D12: 57.0%
Shaq: 53.6%
Lee: 48.9%
STAT: 44.5%
Boozer: 40.5%
Brow: 40.0%
BG: 39.6%
DMC: 37.9%
Z-Bo: 37.3%
Pau: 37.0%
Yao: 33.7%
Love: 33.3%
Big Al: 32.6%
Bosh: 31.0%
TD: 30.9%
Brand: 29.5%
JO: 28.1%
C-Webb: 25.4%
LMA: 24.1%
KG: 22.9%
Sheed: 17.9%
Dirk: 15.2%



% of FGA taken from 3-10 feet

Shaq: 39.7%
D12: 36.6%
Yao: 36.5%
TD: 33.2%
Big Al: 33.1%
JO: 32.2%
Pau: 32.0%
DMC: 29.8%
Z-Bo: 27.5%
Brand: 25.8%
BG: 25.6%
STAT: 25.0%
Lee: 22.5%
C-Webb: 22.3%
LMA: 20.6%
KG: 19.7%
Love: 18.6%
Brow: 18.6%
Boozer: 17.8%
Sheed: 16.2%
Bosh: 15.5%
Dirk: 8.6%



% of FGA taken from 10-16 feet

Brand: 32.0%
Dirk: 25.1%
JO: 25.0%
Yao: 23.8%
KG: 21.6%
Boozer: 21.1%
TD: 19.8%
LMA: 19.8%
Big Al: 19.4%
Sheed: 19.2%
Bosh: 18.4%
Brow: 16.0%
Pau: 15.2%
C-Webb: 13.6%
Z-Bo: 12.4%
STAT: 11.7%
Lee: 10.3%
Love: 8.7%
DMC: 8.4%
BG: 8.3%
Shaq: 6.4%
D12: 4.6%



% of FGA taken from 16 feet to just below the 3PT line

C-Webb: 36.2%
LMA: 33.6%
KG: 32.8%
Dirk: 31.8%
Bosh: 29.3%
Brow: 24.4%
BG: 24.2%
DMC: 22.7%
Boozer: 20.4%
Z-Bo: 19.3%
Lee: 18.0%
STAT: 17.6%
Sheed: 16.4%
TD: 15.2%
Big Al: 14.4%
Pau: 14.4%
JO: 13.9%
Love: 13.4%
Brand: 12.5%
Yao: 5.9%
D12: 1.2%
Shaq: 0.2%



% of FGA taken from the 3PT line and beyond

Sheed: 30.3%
Love: 26.0%
Dirk: 19.3%
Bosh: 5.8%
Z-Bo: 3.5%
KG: 3.0%
C-Webb: 2.6%
BG: 2.3%
LMA: 1.9%
DMC: 1.3%
Pau: 1.3%
STAT: 1.2%
JO: 0.9%
Brow: 0.9%
TD: 0.8%
Big Al: 0.6%
D12: 0.5%
Lee: 0.4%
Yao: 0.2%
Brand: 0.1%
Boozer: 0.1%
Shaq: 0.1%



FG% from 0-3 feet

Shaq: 74.8%
BG: 73.7%
Brow: 71.8%
D12: 71.3%
LMA: 69.3%
TD: 69.3%
KG: 68.5%
Yao: 68.4%
Boozer: 67.9%
STAT: 67.1%
Pau: 66.4%
Lee: 66.4%
Big Al: 65.8%
Sheed: 65.2%
Brand: 65.0%
Bosh: 64.8%
C-Webb: 64.8%
Dirk: 64.2%
JO: 64.2%
DMC: 63.1%
Love: 59.6%
Z-Bo: 59.0%



FG% from 3-10 feet

Big Al: 46.8%
Yao: 46.5%
Brand: 46.2%
Sheed: 45.5%
TD: 44.1%
KG: 44.1%
STAT: 43.9%
LMA: 43.9%
Pau: 43.8%
Z-Bo: 43.3%
Brow: 42.7%
Shaq: 42.6%
BG: 42.5%
Bosh: 42.3%
JO: 42.2%
D12: 42.2%
Dirk: 41.0%
Boozer: 40.3%
C-Webb: 39.8%
Lee: 39.7%
Love: 39.1%
DMC: 35.2%



FG% from 10-16 feet

Dirk: 47.1%
KG: 46.1%
Sheed: 45.0%
Brand: 44.7%
Yao: 43.1%
Boozer: 42.6%
Brow: 42.4%
Lee: 42.3%
STAT: 41.7%
Bosh: 41.4%
Pau: 41.3%
LMA: 41.0%
TD: 40.3%
Big Al: 38.8%
JO: 38.7%
Z-Bo: 37.4%
C-Webb: 35.6%
DMC: 35.3%
BG: 33.9%
Love: 33.7%
Shaq: 27.5%
D12: 27.4%



FG% from 16 feet to just below the 3PT line

Dirk: 47.8%
Bosh: 45.6%
KG: 45.4%
STAT: 43.2%
Pau: 42.6%
LMA: 41.9%
Lee: 41.9%
Boozer: 41.5%
C-Webb: 41.2%
TD: 40.7%
Sheed: 40.3%
Z-Bo: 40.2%
Love: 39.9%
Brand: 38.9%
DMC: 38.5%
Big Al: 37.8%
JO: 37.7%
Brow: 37.3%
BG: 36.9%
Yao: 36.6%
D12: 35.8%
Shaq: 10.5%



FG% from the 3PT line and beyond. I only included regular 3PT shooters. LMA started taking threes this year but before had rarely ever so he's not listed.

Dirk: 38.6%
Love: 36.2%
Sheed: 34.1%
Bosh: 32.6%



2PT FG%

Shaq: 58.8%
D12: 58.1%
STAT: 53.9%
Lee: 53.5%
Brow: 53.1%
BG: 53.0%
Yao: 52.5%
Boozer: 52.2%
Pau: 51.7%
TD: 50.7%
KG: 50.7%
Bosh: 50.6%
Brand: 50.4%
Big Al: 50.2%
Dirk: 50.0%
Sheed: 49.2%
LMA: 48.9%
Z-Bo: 48.0%
Love: 47.8%
JO: 46.9%
DMC: 46.7%
C-Webb: 46.2%



FG%

Shaq: 58.8%
D12: 57.9%
STAT: 53.6%
Lee: 53.3%
Brow: 52.7%
Yao: 52.4%
BG: 52.4%
Boozer: 52.2%
Pau: 51.3%
TD: 50.4%
Brand: 50.3%
KG: 50.0%
Big Al: 50.0%
Bosh: 49.5%
LMA: 48.5%
Dirk: 47.8%
Z-Bo: 47.3%
JO: 46.6%
DMC: 46.3%
C-Webb: 45.7%
Love: 44.8%
Sheed: 44.7%



% of 2PT FGs that were assisted

Brow: 71.0%
Boozer: 69.2%
KG: 67.4%
Lee: 65.3%
BG: 65.0%
Sheed: 63.4%
Brand: 62.6%
Yao: 62.5%
JO: 62.5%
Shaq: 60.9%
C-Webb: 60.6%
Bosh: 59.3%
STAT: 59.0%
Pau: 58.6%
LMA: 56.6%
D12: 55.8%
Love: 55.7%
Dirk: 55.0%
TD: 54.1%
Big Al: 54.0%
Z-Bo: 50.3%
DMC: 48.4%



% of 3PT FGs that were assisted. Again some players who don't regularly take 3s were excluded.

Sheed: 97.2%
Bosh: 95.1%
Dirk: 93.2%
Love: 92.0%



% of 3PA taken from a corner

Bosh: 21.1%
Sheed: 14.1%
Love: 13.8%
Dirk: 10.6%



3PT% from the corners.

Dirk: 40.1%
Love: 39.3%
Bosh: 33.8%
Sheed: 28.9%

[DatAsh]

Thanks for the data

[Harison]

Interesting, thx :cheers:

[Jacks3]

Dirk. :bowdown:

[rmt]

% of 2PT FGs that were assisted

Brow: 71.0%
Boozer: 69.2%
KG: 67.4%
Lee: 65.3%
BG: 65.0%
Sheed: 63.4%
Brand: 62.6%
Yao: 62.5%
JO: 62.5%
Shaq: 60.9%
C-Webb: 60.6%
Bosh: 59.3%
STAT: 59.0%
Pau: 58.6%
LMA: 56.6%
D12: 55.8%
Love: 55.7%
Dirk: 55.0%
TD: 54.1%
Big Al: 54.0%
Z-Bo: 50.3%
DMC: 48.4%

This is one statistic where KG is much different from Duncan.

[SCdac]

Thanks for posting...Alot of these stats people who watch basketball the last 15 years would probably guess or already know in one way or another (ie. Dirk shoots well from outside, Shaq doesn't, Webber/KG types loved the midrange, etc). Ultimately it was Duncan and Shaq who transcended the game the most and you have to think efficient back-to-the-basket style was a huge part of that. It's very tough to guard elite back-to-the-basket 7 footers when they're less than 7-8 feet away from the basket.. when ya add great footwork, great court vision (being able to pass out of double and triple teams), and dominant post moves.. it's over. It's inside-out and works so well. And at the same rate, Duncan's jump shot and midrange is like many other PF's and it's helped the Spurs immensely and allowed Duncan to still be a factor today.. Elton Brand I think has become underrated (in retrospect I mean, he's a shell now) but wouldn't exactly call him a 'winner' either way. Dwight Howard could have benefit so much by developing a jumper 4-5 years ago (he dabbled with it in 2011 but gave up after).

[RRR3]

I'd say this should be shown to Cousins. Dude needs to stop taking jumpers. Of course, he also seems to be subpar in finishing in comparison to some of the other guys here


CWebb also took too many jumpers.


Something about Kings big men?

[DMAVS41]

Thanks for posting...Alot of these stats people who watch basketball the last 15 years would probably guess or already know in one way or another (ie. Dirk shoots well from outside, Shaq doesn't, Webber/KG types loved the midrange, etc). Ultimately it was Duncan and Shaq who transcended the game the most and you have to think efficient back-to-the-basket style was a huge part of that. It's very tough to guard elite back-to-the-basket 7 footers when they're less than 7-8 feet away from the basket.. when ya add great footwork, great court vision (being able to pass out of double and triple teams), and dominant post moves.. it's over. It's inside-out and works so well. And at the same rate, Duncan's jump shot and midrange is like many other PF's and it's helped the Spurs immensely and allowed Duncan to still be a factor today.. Elton Brand I think has become underrated (in retrospect I mean, he's a shell now) but wouldn't exactly call him a 'winner' either way. Dwight Howard could have benefit so much by developing a jumper 4-5 years ago (he dabbled with it in 2011 but gave up after).

I don't think you can put Duncan in the "transcended" the game category on offense at all. As a player overall? Hell yea, but just on offense Duncan was absolutely not a transcendent player.

Shaq and Dirk are really the only two on that list that would belong in that category on offense.

[Legends66NBA7]

I'd say this should be shown to Cousins. Dude needs to stop taking jumpers. Of course, he also seems to be subpar in finishing in comparison to some of the other guys here


CWebb also took too many jumpers.


Something about Kings big men?


Highly skilled players with highly questionable shot selection. Because they are so talented, they believe they can make every shot they can take. It's good to be confident in a competitive sport but that's always a drawback when your not as good as you think you are.

And considering the long 2 is frowned upon in today's analytics version of the game, it really drags down C-Webb and Cousins efficiency. If they just used their skill in the post more and played like traditional post up bigs and less jumpers, they would have been more potent.

[raiderfan19]

Thanks for posting...Alot of these stats people who watch basketball the last 15 years would probably guess or already know in one way or another (ie. Dirk shoots well from outside, Shaq doesn't, Webber/KG types loved the midrange, etc). Ultimately it was Duncan and Shaq who transcended the game the most and you have to think efficient back-to-the-basket style was a huge part of that. It's very tough to guard elite back-to-the-basket 7 footers when they're less than 7-8 feet away from the basket.. when ya add great footwork, great court vision (being able to pass out of double and triple teams), and dominant post moves.. it's over. It's inside-out and works so well. And at the same rate, Duncan's jump shot and midrange is like many other PF's and it's helped the Spurs immensely and allowed Duncan to still be a factor today.. Elton Brand I think has become underrated (in retrospect I mean, he's a shell now) but wouldn't exactly call him a 'winner' either way. Dwight Howard could have benefit so much by developing a jumper 4-5 years ago (he dabbled with it in 2011 but gave up after).

I'm not sure what data your looking at but nothing about this data makes Duncan look special at all. He was an absolutely amazing player and the 2nd best player on this list, but not because of the shooting data.


Dirk is the greatest midrange shooter ever. Regardless of position. Shaq is one of the most physically dominating players ever. That's pretty much what we say from this list.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Oh, Sheed. If only you didn't fall in love with the long ball.

[No_Control]

Alot of good posters in this thread

[DMAVS41]

I'm not sure what data your looking at but nothing about this data makes Duncan look special at all. He was an absolutely amazing player and the 2nd best player on this list, but not because of the shooting data.


Dirk is the greatest midrange shooter ever. Regardless of position. Shaq is one of the most physically dominating players ever. That's pretty much what we say from this list.

Bingo.

He's a good poster, but his hate for Dirk runs deep.

He also greatly over-rates Duncan offensively. No doubt Duncan was a beast on offense, but he was never a transcendent offensive force like he claims.

Duncan's greatness comes from his completeness as a player...and his ability to absolutely dominate a game without scoring. Using the word "transcendent" to describe Duncan offensively is the epitome of ignorance or homerism.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Shaq knew his strengths and dominated accordingly. Arguably the most unstoppable offensive player in history.

[Pointguard]

Dirk is the greatest midrange shooter ever. Regardless of position. Shaq is one of the most physically dominating players ever. That's pretty much what we say from this list.

I think during this time period (in the OP) he was the best mid-range shooter. He wasn't on the level or even tier of Jordan, Bernard King or Bird at that 15ft range.

[raiderfan19]

I think during this time period (in the OP) he was the best mid-range shooter. He wasn't on the level or even tier of Jordan, Bernard King or Bird at that 15ft range.
Dirk was absolutely at least in the "tier" of anyone else. To say he wasnt is just idiotic. As for Jordan, hes the only guy we have any shooting info on, and he was .314 and .418 respectively in 10-16 fters and 16-3pters that we have access to. Thats obviously unfair because its just his old age stats but its all we have and even this year, dirk is at .465 and .488 in those respective areas. When you add in that dirk pretty consistently took the hardest midrange jumpers of anyone, calling him the greatest midrange shooter ever is certainly justified.

[Pointguard]

Dirk was absolutely at least in the "tier" of anyone else. To say he wasnt is just idiotic. As for Jordan, hes the only guy we have any shooting info on, and he was .314 and .418 respectively in 10-16 fters and 16-3pters that we have access to. First off, mid-range doesn't include 3 pointers. If you are crazy enough to believe that putting out that Jordan shot anything near 31% in 10-16 ft range as a respectable sample you are totally deranged. Jordan in his prime, could be doubled immediately and still shoot as good as Dirk from mid-range. And was at a whole different level at being deadly. He was waaaay more prolific, way more consistent, had a larger repertoire, and was always dependable.

If Dirk scored more, then maybe he could in the conversation with King, Bird and Jordan. But it's not just about efficiency when you say best mid-range ever - you are now talking about everything. Dirk was never a scorer like they were. Was never efficient like Jordan and King were.

Your suggestion that Dirk took harder shots than Jordan, King and Bird is a bit crazy, especially when its obvious that you didn't see them play or how teams geared up for those guys.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Pointguard, Dirk has scored more points from "midrange" than anyone in NBA history. And on percentages equal or higher than anyone in history.

I'm sure that would qualify as best in NBA history.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Dirk was absolutely at least in the "tier" of anyone else. To say he wasnt is just idiotic. As for Jordan, hes the only guy we have any shooting info on, and he was .314 and .418 respectively in 10-16 fters and 16-3pters that we have access to. Thats obviously unfair because its just his old age stats but its all we have and even this year, dirk is at .465 and .488 in those respective areas. When you add in that dirk pretty consistently took the hardest midrange jumpers of anyone, calling him the greatest midrange shooter ever is certainly justified.

Try .430 from 10-16 and .417 from 16-23

I have no clue where you got .314 from.

Mind you, we only have data from Jordan at ages 38-40 as you already pointed out...and in those two years he outshot Kobe from 10-16 and 16-23.....despite over 70% of his shots being from those ranges and not being able to create his shot as well.

Jordan was lethal from the mid-range in his prime. Great at shooting long two's as well. But i think Nash takes the cake there. .484% career from 16-23. Thats UNBELIEVABLE. Dirk shot .478 but with his high release he was unblockable.

[SCdac]

In regards to Duncan, only a bunch of stat geeks would come away from a list of %'s and figures and claim Duncan was essentially average on offense... or "not special at all" to put it in raiderfan19's words.

TD went toe-to-toe offensively with prime Shaq, Dirk, Garnett, Amare, a slew of other players and against some of the best defenses of the last 15+ years. We're talking about a player who debuted in 1997 (after being a consensus #1 pick)... and wasn't until recently - against the Warriors - that he went an entire game without making a FG... Think about that.

In only his second season in the NBA, Duncan averaged 29 ppg to SWEEP the LA Lakers (w/ Shaq and Kobe) out of the playoffs.

In his third season, he dropped a then high 46 points (16/28 FG - 14/16 FT) against Karl Malone's Jazz in the RS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgUQWV1H3aA

He scored 53 points (15/15 FT) against Dirk's Mavericks in 2001... how many big men have scored that much H2H against Dirk, honest question? :confusedshrug:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9wOz1fBtmg

The guy averaged 32 ppg (with plantar fasciitis), including 41 points in Game 7, against the 60-win Mavs that were a formidable team/went to the Finals.

For two seasons straight TD won MVP's averaging 26 ppg and 23 ppg respectively. The Spurs in those seasons averaged 97 ppg and 96 ppg while playing a slow pace, keep in mind for context. Virtually all the offense went through Duncan in one way or another ("4 down" was a play called routinely, for nearly all of TD's prime).

As far as MVP's for big men, for the sake of perspective, Duncan's 25.5 ppg in his physical prime falls right under Barkley (25.6 ppg to win MVP in 1993) and ahead of Kareem (24.8 ppg to win MVP in 1980). It's also more points than Dirk averaged in his MVP season (24.6 ppg out of the Mavs 100 ppg), for what it's worth.

I don't claim Duncan to be the best midrange shooter of the bunch or have the best range however. But yes, I think it's safe to say his offense was sick! Give me his or Shaq's offense over Dirk, LMA's, Webber's, KG's, etc, any day of the week because it's dependable, dominant, proven. Duncan's offense was so complete. And yes I think those two were the most transcendent players of the bunch , and they wouldn't have been transcendent without their roles on offense, obviously. You don't become top-10 all time out of thousands and thousands of players without being historically great on offense.

[tpols]

In regards to Duncan, only a bunch of stat geeks would come away from a list of %'s and figures and claim Duncan was essentially average on offense... or "not special at all" to put it in raiderfan19's words.

TD went toe-to-toe offensively with prime Shaq, Dirk, Garnett, Amare, a slew of other players and against some of the best defenses of the last 15+ years. We're talking about a player who debuted in 1997 (after being a consensus #1 pick)... and wasn't until recently - against the Warriors - that he went an entire game without making a FG... Think about that.

In only his second season in the NBA, Duncan averaged 29 ppg to SWEEP the LA Lakers (w/ Shaq and Kobe) out of the playoffs.

In his third season, he dropped a then high 46 points (16/28 FG - 14/16 FT) against Karl Malone's Jazz in the RS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgUQWV1H3aA

He scored 53 points (15/15 FT) against Dirk's Mavericks in 2001... how many big men have scored that much H2H against Dirk, honest question? :confusedshrug:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9wOz1fBtmg

The guy averaged 32 ppg (with plantar fasciitis), including 41 points in Game 7, against the 60-win Mavs that were a formidable team/went to the Finals.

For two seasons straight TD won MVP's averaging 26 ppg and 23 ppg respectively. The Spurs in those seasons averaged 97 ppg and 96 ppg while playing a slow pace, keep in mind for context. Virtually all the offense went through Duncan in one way or another ("4 down" was a play called routinely, for nearly all of TD's prime).

As far as MVP's for big men, for the sake of perspective, Duncan's 25.5 ppg in his physical prime falls right under Barkley (25.6 ppg to win MVP in 1993) and ahead of Kareem (24.8 ppg to win MVP in 1980). It's also more points than Dirk averaged in his MVP season (24.6 ppg out of the Mavs 100 ppg), for what it's worth.

I don't claim Duncan to be the best midrange shooter of the bunch or have the best range however. But yes, I think it's safe to say his offense was sick! Give me his or Shaq's offense over Dirk, LMA's, Webber's, KG's, etc, any day of the week because it's dependable, dominant, proven. Duncan's offense was so complete. And yes I think those two were the most transcendent players of the bunch , and they wouldn't have been transcendent without their roles on offense, obviously. You don't become top-10 all time out of thousands and thousands of players without being historically great on offense.

Duncans pure offensive rapm from 2000 to 2014 is 2.0. Manu in the same period is 5.2.

Duncan would be barely an all star if he had al jeffs defense. And he hasn't been his teams best offensive player in over a decade. He is great for everything besides offense and especially shooting/scoring.. it's just nothing crazy or noteworthy at all. He doesn't stand out on this list one bit.

[DMAVS41]

In regards to Duncan, only a bunch of stat geeks would come away from a list of %'s and figures and claim Duncan was essentially average on offense... or "not special at all" to put it in raiderfan19's words.

TD went toe-to-toe offensively with prime Shaq, Dirk, Garnett, Amare, a slew of other players and against some of the best defenses of the last 15+ years. We're talking about a player who debuted in 1997 (after being a consensus #1 pick)... and wasn't until recently - against the Warriors - that he went an entire game without making a FG... Think about that.

In only his second season in the NBA, Duncan averaged 29 ppg to SWEEP the LA Lakers (w/ Shaq and Kobe) out of the playoffs.

In his third season, he dropped a then high 46 points (16/28 FG - 14/16 FT) against Karl Malone's Jazz in the RS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgUQWV1H3aA

He scored 53 points (15/15 FT) against Dirk's Mavericks in 2001... how many big men have scored that much H2H against Dirk, honest question? :confusedshrug:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9wOz1fBtmg

The guy averaged 32 ppg (with plantar fasciitis), including 41 points in Game 7, against the 60-win Mavs that were a formidable team/went to the Finals.

For two seasons straight TD won MVP's averaging 26 ppg and 23 ppg respectively. The Spurs in those seasons averaged 97 ppg and 96 ppg while playing a slow pace, keep in mind for context. Virtually all the offense went through Duncan in one way or another ("4 down" was a play called routinely, for nearly all of TD's prime).

As far as MVP's for big men, for the sake of perspective, Duncan's 25.5 ppg in his physical prime falls right under Barkley (25.6 ppg to win MVP in 1993) and ahead of Kareem (24.8 ppg to win MVP in 1980). It's also more points than Dirk averaged in his MVP season (24.6 ppg out of the Mavs 100 ppg), for what it's worth.

I don't claim Duncan to be the best midrange shooter of the bunch or have the best range however. But yes, I think it's safe to say his offense was sick! Give me his or Shaq's offense over Dirk, LMA's, Webber's, KG's, etc, any day of the week because it's dependable, dominant, proven. Duncan's offense was so complete. And yes I think those two were the most transcendent players of the bunch , and they wouldn't have been transcendent without their roles on offense, obviously. You don't become top-10 all time out of thousands and thousands of players without being historically great on offense.

You are over-rating the shit out of Duncan on offense.

Do you know what the word transcendent means?

Transcendent is not being a standard back to the basket player that plays really good to great individual offense. It's just a misuse of the word.

And just no...pretty much every objective offensive measure will favor Dirk over Duncan pretty easily. If Dirk played defense and rebounded equal to Duncan...Dirk would have a case for the GOAT player. I don't think you realize how important Duncan's defense/rebounding really was/is to how good he was/is as a player.

[DMAVS41]

Duncans pure offensive rapm from 2000 to 2014 is 2.0. Manu in the same period is 5.2.

Duncan would be barely an all star if he had al jeffs defense. And he hasn't been his teams best offensive player in over a decade. He is great for everything besides offense and especially shooting/scoring.. it's just nothing crazy or noteworthy at all. He doesn't stand out on this list one bit.

Jesus...yes...this.

[raiderfan19]

I didn't say Duncan wasn't special at all. I said he wasn't special from this data. Two very different things because what made Duncan special doesn't show up in this data.

As for the people on the Jordan numbers I looked at the wrong area on his stat page.

[Pointguard]

Pointguard, Dirk has scored more points from "midrange" than anyone in NBA history. And on percentages equal or higher than anyone in history.

I'm sure that would qualify as best in NBA history.

:lol I forgot they have all of Jerry West shots on display. Heck, Kareem's hook shot was going out to 18 feet at times.

Show me where they have Bird's, Bernard King's, George Gervins, and Adrian Dantley's mid range shots. Stop making stuff up.

Dirk in his prime shot, from 2 point land shot significantly less from the field and was never a standout in FG%, especially with those I mentioned. Curry shoots very close % to Dirk from 2 pt land over their careers. And Dirk, at 7 feet should be shooting much better up close. Heck, you don't have to go historical. Dirk was never a league leading scorer either.