Who do you build a team around? (Westbrook or Leonard)

[warriorfan]

Hint, the answer is Leonard.

[Spurs m8]

Hint, the answer is Leonard.

:cheers:

[You Cant Ban Me]

James Harden
Kevin Durant
LeBron
Anthony Davis
Steph Curry

any of these 5 would be good

[kells333]

Who builds around a roll player???

[theaussieguy]

Leonard for me personally, He is an elite defender and all round pest. Hes a frikking FMVP for crying out loud. Westbrooks type of game doesn't translate well to playoffs. You simply just cannot sustain his playstyle for that period of time, also its very likely he will have off nights with a horrendous amount of turnovers. Its just not something you want to hedge ur franchise on.

Go with a cheaper pass first less hyped PG, and spend more money on the more important positions aka big men and tall scorers/defenders because the midgets can only do so much.

[ralph_i_el]

Who builds around a roll player???

*role

We haven't seen Leonard outside of the Spurs infrastructure. I'll take Westbrook

[sd3035]

James Harden
Kevin Durant
LeBron
Anthony Davis
Steph Curry

any of these 5 would be good


or have that as your starting 5

[keep-itreal]

Westbrook no doubt

[greatest-ever]

This is disrespectful to Westbrook, he's a top 5 player easily right now and is playing out of his mind. Leonard is overrated. He is not even a top 15 player in the league.

[kells333]

Leonard for me personally, He is an elite defender and all round pest. Hes a frikking FMVP for crying out loud. Westbrooks type of game doesn't translate well to playoffs. You simply just cannot sustain his playstyle for that period of time, also its very likely he will have off nights with a horrendous amount of turnovers. Its just not something you want to hedge ur franchise on.

Go with a cheaper pass first less hyped PG, and spend more money on the more important positions aka big men and tall scorers/defenders because the midgets can only do so much.

Fmvp transpated to being the best player on his team for 6 games. Russell has been playing at this level for 2 months now. Yes he will have off nights just as anyone else in the league.

[kells333]

*role

We haven't seen Leonard outside of the Spurs infrastructure. I'll take Westbrook

You knew what the **** i meant

[kells333]

This is disrespectful to Westbrook, he's a top 5 player easily right now and is playing out of his mind. Leonard is overrated. He is not even a top 15 player in the league.

This

[Spaulding]

Who builds around a roll player???

Whats a roll player?

[stalkerforlife]

Leonard got that alpha physique. Westbrook got that alpha mentality.

Gotta go with Westbrook because that mentality may be something instinctual and unattainable.

[Alamо]

This is disrespectful to Westbrook, he's a top 5 player easily right now and is playing out of his mind. Leonard is overrated. He is not even a top 15 player in the league.


Name 15 players better than Kawhi right now

[SsKSpurs21]

I am as big a Leonard fan as just about any Spurs fan and oh how I hate Westbrook with a passion...

I can see this from two angles. 1) who is going to get you the most wins or will a team to victory. 2) who will fit better in the overall scope of the team.

Russell Westbrook gives you a chance to win every single night. he can take over a game and get you a win. Leonard cannot do that right now. he has been given opportunities for stretches in quarters but not full games. he just doesnt have the offensive firepower like westbrook to put the team on his back.

Leonard on the other hand is a coach's dream. he does what he is asks and he busts his butt. he doesnt talk back, he doesnt question, he plays his role to best of his abilities. he plays within himself and doesnt try to do too much which has been westbrooks problem when he goes hero mode.

so to answer the question, if i had a solid organization with a competent GM and coach i would go Leonard. if i had a lottery team who needs regular season wins and a marketable player to put people in seats i would go westbrook.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Name 15 players better than Kawhi right now

1.Westbrook
2.LeBron
3.Durant
4.Curry
5.Harden
6.Chris Paul
7.Klay Thompson
8.DeMarcus Cousins
9.Blake Griffin
10.Marc Gasol
11.Aldridge
12.John Wall
13.Kyrie Irving
14.Draymond Green
15.Dwight Howard

Honourable mentions:Serge Ibaka,Lillard

[T_L_P]

1.Westbrook
2.LeBron
3.Durant
4.Curry
5.Harden
6.Chris Paul
7.Klay Thompson
8.DeMarcus Cousins
9.Blake Griffin
10.Marc Gasol
11.Aldridge
12.John Wall
13.Kyrie Irving
14.Draymond Green
15.Dwight Howard

Honourable mentions:Serge Ibaka,Lillard

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[BlakFrankWhite]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lol @ this idiot....Howard's a 4x DPOY,career averaging double-double,future hall of famer

At this point I'd still take Howard over Leonard...as would most sane people

[kells333]

1.Westbrook
2.LeBron
3.Durant
4.Curry
5.Harden
6.Chris Paul
7.Klay Thompson
8.DeMarcus Cousins
9.Blake Griffin
10.Marc Gasol
11.Aldridge
12.John Wall
13.Kyrie Irving
14.Draymond Green
15.Dwight Howard

Honourable mentions:Serge Ibaka,Lillard

Anthony davis
Melo
Kevin love

[BlakFrankWhite]

Anthony davis
Melo
Kevin love

:cheers:

[305Baller]

Leonard/Westbrook would be a killer combo to start a team with.

[T_L_P]

Lol @ this idiot....Howard's a 4x DPOY,career averaging double-double,future hall of famer

At this point I'd still take Howard over Leonard...as would most sane people

Irrelevant. He hasn't played effective basketball in 11 months. Dwight looked like a fcking shell every time he stepped on the court this season.

Tim Duncan is a 2x MVP, 3x FMVP, 15x All-Star, 14x All-Defensive Team player, career averaging 20-10 player. Doesn't mean I'd take him over Westbrook.

[Harison]

I am as big a Leonard fan as just about any Spurs fan and oh how I hate Westbrook with a passion...

I can see this from two angles. 1) who is going to get you the most wins or will a team to victory. 2) who will fit better in the overall scope of the team.

Russell Westbrook gives you a chance to win every single night. he can take over a game and get you a win. Leonard cannot do that right now. he has been given opportunities for stretches in quarters but not full games. he just doesnt have the offensive firepower like westbrook to put the team on his back.

Leonard on the other hand is a coach's dream. he does what he is asks and he busts his butt. he doesnt talk back, he doesnt question, he plays his role to best of his abilities. he plays within himself and doesnt try to do too much which has been westbrooks problem when he goes hero mode.

so to answer the question, if i had a solid organization with a competent GM and coach i would go Leonard. if i had a lottery team who needs regular season wins and a marketable player to put people in seats i would go westbrook.
+1

[John Tesh]

*role



He meant what he said.

[John Tesh]

Oh, and Pop would trade Parker and Leonard for Westbrook at this point.

[John Tesh]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Imagine a healthy Dwight next to Duncan. Spurs would destroy the league.

[Alamо]

RK NAME TEAM GP MPG ORPM DRPM RPM WAR
1 Stephen Curry, PG GS 67 32.9 6.99 1.91 8.90 15.72
2 James Harden, SG HOU 68 36.7 7.58 1.03 8.61 16.60
3 LeBron James, SF CLE 61 36.3 6.15 2.07 8.22 13.40
4 Anthony Davis, PF NO 56 36.0 2.97 3.81 6.78 10.88
5 Kawhi Leonard, SF SA 51 32.0 2.44 4.20 6.64 8.50
6 Russell Westbrook, PG OKC 55 34.0 7.05 -0.56 6.49 9.85
7 Chris Paul, PG LAC 71 35.1 5.96 0.31 6.27 12.71




Going by the effect kawhi has on his team on both ends of the floor, I'd say kawhi is easily top 15 right now among healthy players. Maybe even top 10.

[imdaman99]

Leonard/Westbrook would be a killer combo to start a team with.
This. Imagine the defensive tenacity :eek:

[ArbitraryWater]

Kawhi, easily for me.

[gts]

Westbrook...

[BlakFrankWhite]

RK NAME TEAM GP MPG ORPM DRPM RPM WAR
1 Stephen Curry, PG GS 67 32.9 6.99 1.91 8.90 15.72
2 James Harden, SG HOU 68 36.7 7.58 1.03 8.61 16.60
3 LeBron James, SF CLE 61 36.3 6.15 2.07 8.22 13.40
4 Anthony Davis, PF NO 56 36.0 2.97 3.81 6.78 10.88
5 Kawhi Leonard, SF SA 51 32.0 2.44 4.20 6.64 8.50
6 Russell Westbrook, PG OKC 55 34.0 7.05 -0.56 6.49 9.85
7 Chris Paul, PG LAC 71 35.1 5.96 0.31 6.27 12.71




Going by the effect kawhi has on his team on both ends of the floor, I'd say kawhi is easily top 15 right now among healthy players. Maybe even top 10.


Could Kawhi carry the Thunder to the playoffs without Ibaka and Duirant?

Simple answer,no.....he isn't a elite scorer,passer like Westbrook(1st in scoring,4th in assists)

Kawhi's just a good defender...and that's all he'll ever be

[Alamо]

Could Kawhi carry the Thunder to the playoffs without Ibaka and Duirant?

Simple answer,no.....he isn't a elite scorer,passer like Westbrook(1st in scoring,4th in assists)

Kawhi's just a good defender...and that's all he'll ever be


Call me when you start watching basketball

[ImKobe]

Name 15 players better than Kawhi right now

He's not even better than Jimmy Butler. I don't think we need to post the obvious names here...

[kenny817]

Lol @ this idiot....Howard's a 4x DPOY,career averaging double-double,future hall of famer

At this point I'd still take Howard over Leonard...as would most sane people

Dwight aint sniffing the HOF

[Alamо]

He's not even better than Jimmy Butler. I don't think we need to post the obvious names here...


Pure comedy

[rhowen4]

is this like a "what haven't you done for me lately?" thread?

westbrook man cmon

[Genaro]

Westbrook easily. Leonard is the type of guy who does everything right but he isn't elite offensively, he isn't a first option.

If I needed a third option and had something like Love and Harden already, I would go with Leonard though.

[rmt]

Oh, and Pop would trade Parker and Leonard for Westbrook at this point.

I don't think Pop would trade Parker and Leonard for Westbrooke. For Parker - for sure but not both.

[T_L_P]

I don't think Pop would trade Parker and Leonard for Westbrooke. For Parker - for sure but not both.

I like to think Pop would trade Parker to get George back, tbh.

[obonpaxis]

Whats a roll player?

http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/nba/teamsites-nbateams/release/magic/sites/magic/files/imagecache/magic_standard/content/images-top/2014/02/burly3_022314.jpg

[IncarceratedBob]

This is hilarious. Like...really?

[TimmyDuncan]

A thread from a Warriors's fan to take a shot at Westbrook because he's the challenger to Curry for MVP and best PG in league

And yet some spurs fan seriously thinking that Leonard is more valuable than Westbrook :facepalm

[oarabbus]

He's not even better than Jimmy Butler. I don't think we need to post the obvious names here...


THIS... put Butler on the Spurs and they don't lose much if at all. hell, put Trevor Ariza on the Spurs and they don't lose THAT much.

Or is anyone dumb enough to believe the Jazz are a playoff team if you swap Hayward and Leonard?

Leonard is an excellent player, but comparing him to Westbrook... come on now



A thread from a Warriors's fan to take a shot at Westbrook because he's the challenger to Curry for MVP and best PG in league

And yet some spurs fan seriously thinking that Leonard is more valuable than Westbrook :facepalm

:biggums: dont try to make it something it's not

[Bigsmoke]

Leonard lucky to be coached by greg.

[ImKobe]

Pure comedy

Leonard has never in his career been a #1 option for an NBA season, he's currently part of a brilliant system that maximizes all his strengths, we have yet to see how he would fare in a leader role on a team that's built around him, and not in a system that he's just a part of.

That being said, you can't put him above guys that are/have been proven leaders on Playoff teams and who are putting up star/superstar numbers.

He has a Finals MVP, but he he was barely the best performer on his team with everyone going off in a one-sided series, and it's not like he locked Lebron down, who probably had his most efficient Finals of his career.

So yeah, he's not a top 15 player in this league. For all we know, he'd be rather average on a medicore squad without GOAT-level coaching. And it's not like his numbers are impressive.

He's averaging 16/7 with 2.3 steals per game. His defense is elite no doubt, but his shooting % has dipped by 6% as his shot attempts have gone up by 3 per game compared to last season.

He's like top 20, but you're kidding yourself if you're putting him in the top 15.

[warriorfan]

I don't give a fucc about power rankings. I don't care if Leonard isn't in your top 100. Leonard plays winning basketball, Westbrook doesn't. End of story.

[ImKobe]

I don't give a fucc about power rankings. I don't care if Leonard isn't in your top 100. Leonard plays winning basketball, Westbrook doesn't. End of story.

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[Spurs m8]

This is disrespectful to Westbrook, he's a top 5 player easily right now and is playing out of his mind. Leonard is overrated. He is not even a top 15 player in the league.

We are talking about building, which takes into account the future, you moron.

Not being a top 15 in the league at 23 doesn't mean shit in the context, go away you rookie, Leonard is a winner, something you wouldn't know about.

[Alamо]

He's like top 20, but you're kidding yourself if you're putting him in the top 15.



Last 10 games he's putting up 20/7 and 3 steals on 54% FG, all while being the best perimeter defender in the league. Also leading the league in steals. I don't think you understand how much of an impact that has on the game. Did you see how bad the Spurs were without him this season? They were falling out of playoff contention, now that he's healthy they are battling for the 3rd/4th seeds. He's 5th in RPM only behind Harden, Curry, Lebron and Davis. Just because he doesn't iso and hold the ball until the clock runs down every play doesn't mean he isn't good.




Spurs... MP Off. Rtg. Rank Def. Rtg. Rank Net Rtg. Rank
With Leonard 799 107.8 5 94.5 1 13.3 2
Without Leonard 1310 102.6 17 103.0 13 -0.4 15



Spurs offense ranks 17th without him, 5th with him. Defense ranks 13th without him, and 1st with him. And that's a huge sample size. You can't deny impact.


2014-15 Real Plus-Minus
RK NAME TEAM GP MPG ORPM DRPM RPM WAR
1 Stephen Curry, PG GS 67 32.9 7.06 1.81 8.87 16.24
2 James Harden, SG HOU 68 36.7 7.57 0.90 8.47 17.20
3 LeBron James, SF CLE 61 36.3 5.71 1.68 7.39 12.99
4 Kawhi Leonard, SF SA 51 32.0 2.80 4.36 7.16 9.52
5 Russell Westbrook, PG OKC 55 34.0 7.45 -0.61 6.84 11.00
6 Anthony Davis, PF NO 56 36.0 3.06 3.66 6.72 11.04
7 Chris Paul, PG LAC 71 35.1 6.13 0.48 6.61 13.85



Numbers don't lie. And he's only getting better.

[Alamо]

If he's not top 15, then fvck a top 15. He's a monster on both ends, and he makes the right play. They're out there trying to double team this boy, to no avail :applause:

[Im Still Ballin]

If he's not top 15, then fvck a top 15. He's a monster on both ends, and he makes the right play. They're out there trying to double team this boy, to no avail :applause:
:cheers:

[ralph_i_el]

It's the Ron Artest conundrum. Every year there's at least one defensive wing whose actual impact on the game is at a superstar level, but because they don't have the dominating offensive game to fill up the box score they don't get widespread recognition.

Easier to find an elite scorer than it is to find a wing-defender of Kawhi's level.

[Alamо]

Kawhi's just a good defender...and that's all he'll ever be



:roll: :roll:

[Sportal]

I would take Westbrook and have Tony Allen in my team.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Leonard

[warriorfan]

It's the Ron Artest conundrum. Every year there's at least one defensive wing whose actual impact on the game is at a superstar level, but because they don't have the dominating offensive game to fill up the box score they don't get widespread recognition.

Easier to find an elite scorer than it is to find a wing-defender of Kawhi's level.



So you changing to Leonard now?

[tpols]

I mma have to go with Westbrick for the entertainment factor and to see a team that always goes ham. Who knows what Leonard would be without pop anyway..

[knicksman]

ill take leonard if I know how to build a team or a team with stars already but westbrook if I dont. Westbrook is a type of player who gives you negative wins once you already have a team in place. While leonard is the type of guy that still adds value despite being a contender already.

And leonard seems to step up when it matters.

[imdaman99]

If I am playing against a team with Lebron in the playoffs, I am taking Kawhi. In all other instances, it's probably Westbrook. I think they are both fantastic players, but Westbrook has the lead dog mentality.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Westbrook