is there a genius-level NBA player?

[jzek]

I'm not talking about basketball-wise. The NFL has John Urschel who just published a report in the Journal of Computational Mathematics titled "A Cascadic Multigrid Algorithm for Computing the Fiedler Vector of Graph Laplacians" which had things in it like:

http://i.imgur.com/2Qgm6dS.png

We know Jeremy Lin is from Harvard but has he published any papers? :confusedshrug:

[kurple]

rodman

at rebounding

[warriorfan]

white boy nerd shit

[Harison]

Bird is genius in non basketball sense as well, but he didnt publish anything AFAIK (not like only geniuses publish - any smart person can accomplish it, if he wants).

[theaussieguy]

Rondo got his undergrads in mathematics I am pretty sure, you can tell he is smart by looking at his eyes and its why he is considered hard to coach because generally noone is smarter than him therefore he doesn't need it.

[DCL]

"A Cascadic Multigrid Algorithm for Computing the Fiedler Vector of Graph Laplacians"

he lost me after the first letter

[theaussieguy]

apparently its a method of calculating the second lowest eigenvalue, seems arbitrary as **** tbh but then again a lot of things published in maths is purely theoretical and has no practical purpose. Its just a way at arriving at a particular eigenvalue of an eigenvector. Don't get me wrong though, u gotta be smart as **** to do that, its just useless.

[Foster5k]

I think it's safe to say no one in the NBA is smart as John Urschel. Hell, no one in the NFL, MLB, etc. This guy is unique. He only enjoys playing chess, reading mathematics, doing research, and apparently hitting people.

This guy might be the smartest sports player in professional sports history. I'm talking about IQ smart. I doubt anyone, in pro sports, could really perform better than him on an IQ test.

[#number6ix#]

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[bobopenguin]

the asian is ur answer

[Psileas]

Jeremy Lin is probably #1 among NBAers, but probably still not at a strictly genius level, although Harvard doesn't offer sport scholarships. This football guy is an exception among sportsmen.

[AussieG]

Rondo got his undergrads in mathematics I am pretty sure, you can tell he is smart by looking at his eyes and its why he is considered hard to coach because generally noone is smarter than him therefore he doesn't need it.

Then he should use all of those brains to learn how to shoot.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Westbrook had a gpa of 4.0

That's stanford/harvard level sh##

[Dresta]

Any bother to suggest the importance of the above? If it isn't important, then it's not really impressive. It's just playing around with numbers and how things relate in a closed system. Most academic publications are filled with this kind of pointless fluff, but it doesn't make them any more important, or any less the arbitrary intellectual *********ion of a guy trying to impress his peers with pointless complexities and jargon that seems so prevalent in these sorts of publication.

[bobopenguin]

Westbrook had a gpa of 4.0

That's stanford/harvard level sh##

so u are telling me that westbrook has a good brain, an athlete body, a ig d*ck cos he's black, millions in his bank, LOT of chicks and an incredible/unique fashion sense? :eek: :eek: :eek: GOATBrook!

[iamgine]

Genius in mathematics? No

Genius in IQ? Doubt it.

Genius in basketball? Plenty.

[BlakFrankWhite]

so u are telling me that westbrook has a good brain, an athlete body, a ig d*ck cos he's black, millions in his bank, LOT of chicks and an incredible/unique fashion sense? :eek: :eek: :eek: GOATBrook!

Not to forget dem 'triple doubles'


http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAfmkvgUUAA-ymQ.jpg

[T_L_P]

an incredible/unique fashion sense? :eek: :eek: :eek: GOATBrook!

He has neither. The dude wears Jordans, tight 3/4 pants, and sleeveless shirts. What's incredible or unique about that? :biggums:

[bobopenguin]

He has neither. The dude wears Jordans, tight 3/4 pants, and sleeveless shirts. What's incredible or unique about that? :biggums:
http://masetv.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/russell-westbrook-teen-choice-awards-fashion.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/1c/0e/ff/1c0eff18689c6f350da122735f7ca08a.jpg
http://fashionsizzle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/tumblr_ma06f8i85K1qaty3fo1_500.jpg
http://cdn.tss.uproxx.com/TSS/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/russell-westbrook-fashion.jpg

if this is not fashion sense, then i dunno what is :coleman:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

if this is not fashion sense, then i dunno what is :coleman:

Well, that answered itself.

[T_L_P]

http://masetv.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/russell-westbrook-teen-choice-awards-fashion.jpg


Case in point. Neither unique or incredible (who the fck wears Jordan trainers with an outfit like that?)

[zizozain]

Giant Steps

Kareem

Black Profiles in Courage

A Season on the Reservation

Brothers in Arms

On the Shoulders of Giants

What Color Is My World

[ralph_i_el]

so u are telling me that westbrook has a good brain, an athlete body, a ig d*ck cos he's black, millions in his bank, LOT of chicks and an incredible/unique fashion sense? :eek: :eek: :eek: GOATBrook!
and he's incredibly gay!

[Prometheus]

I'm not talking about basketball-wise. The NFL has John Urschel who just published a report in the Journal of Computational Mathematics titled "A Cascadic Multigrid Algorithm for Computing the Fiedler Vector of Graph Laplacians" which had things in it like:

http://i.imgur.com/2Qgm6dS.png

We know Jeremy Lin is from Harvard but has he published any papers? :confusedshrug:

John Urschel may or may not be a genius. This shit here doesn't make him a genius, not by any stretch of the imagination. People who don't study mathematics are profoundly impressed by it, simply because it is so foreign. It looks completely incomprehensible to someone uninitiated, but to perform high-level mathematics takes years of study, not genius intelligence.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

white boy nerd shit
Black boy ghetto shit

[Jameerthefear]

Any bother to suggest the importance of the above? If it isn't important, then it's not really impressive. It's just playing around with numbers and how things relate in a closed system. Most academic publications are filled with this kind of pointless fluff, but it doesn't make them any more important, or any less the arbitrary intellectual *********ion of a guy trying to impress his peers with pointless complexities and jargon that seems so prevalent in these sorts of publication.
ok

[Nowitness]

Bill Walton for sure. Dude is right next to Plato, Nietzsche and Jung as the most important thinker in human history.

[blablabla]

Etan Thomas has published a couple of articles for the Huffington Post

[KevinNYC]

Bird is genius in non basketball sense as well, but he didnt publish anything AFAIK (not like only geniuses publish - any smart person can accomplish it, if he wants).
In what way?

[KevinNYC]

white boy nerd shit
The guy who published the paper is black.

[ISHGoat]

Not to forget dem 'triple doubles'


http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAfmkvgUUAA-ymQ.jpg

Westbrook caught getting friendly with Mrs. Bryant?

[KevinNYC]

Westbrook had a gpa of 4.0

That's stanford/harvard level sh##

Did he attend stanford or Harvard?

[John Tesh]

http://i.imgur.com/2Qgm6dS.png



What a fool. Everybody know C = 1 + f1

[KevinNYC]

Giant Steps

Kareem

Black Profiles in Courage

A Season on the Reservation

Brothers in Arms

On the Shoulders of Giants

What Color Is My World
Does being an author make you a genius?

[Akrazotile]

John Urschel may or may not be a genius. This shit here doesn't make him a genius, not by any stretch of the imagination. People who don't study mathematics are profoundly impressed by it, simply because it is so foreign. It looks completely incomprehensible to someone uninitiated, but to perform high-level mathematics takes years of study, not genius intelligence.



Yup.

Lots of people publish proofs and dissertations and novels etc.

Publishing something long and complicated does not in and of itself make you a genius, just someone whose spent a lot of time on a subject.

Genius would be more easily determined by the degree of originality and meaning of the ideas themselves or the uniqueness of ability in presenting them. I'm not an expert in mathematics so I couldnt tell you how "profound" his ideas in that paper are, but the mere presence of lots of symbols and formulas does not necessarily a genius make.

[Jameerthefear]

Yup.

Lots of people publish proofs and dissertations and novels etc.

Publishing something long and complicated does not in and of itself make you a genius, just someone whose spent a lot of time on a subject.

Genius would be more easily determined by the degree of originality and meaning of the ideas themselves or the uniqueness of ability in presenting them. I'm not an expert in mathematics so I couldnt tell you how "profound" his ideas in that paper are, but the mere presence of lots of symbols and formulas does not necessarily a genius make.
thanks failed movie actor. ur obviously very educated on this subject. get a job bum

[Akrazotile]

thanks failed movie actor. ur obviously very educated on this subject. get a job bum


Rent free

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe, obviously.

And I don't know how Lin got into Harvard.

[Bandito]

Yup.

Lots of people publish proofs and dissertations and novels etc.

Publishing something long and complicated does not in and of itself make you a genius, just someone whose spent a lot of time on a subject.

Genius would be more easily determined by the degree of originality and meaning of the ideas themselves or the uniqueness of ability in presenting them. I'm not an expert in mathematics so I couldnt tell you how "profound" his ideas in that paper are, but the mere presence of lots of symbols and formulas does not necessarily a genius make.

That doesnt determines a genius at all. If so a person like Michael Jackson or lady Gaga could be considered genius. Just presenting an idea being unique and original does not make one a genius.

[IMObjective]

thanks failed movie actor. ur obviously very educated on this subject. get a job bum
:oldlol:

[inclinerator]

i doubt he's a genius, just very smart

[blablabla]

That doesnt determines a genius at all. If so a person like Michael Jackson or lady Gaga could be considered genius. Just presenting an idea being unique and original does not make one a genius.
Are you trying to argue that MJ isn't a musical genius

[midatlantic09]

Dion Waiters.

[blablabla]

http://archive.indystar.com/article/20090215/NEWS06/302150004/Danny-Granger-went-from-academic-All-Star-NBA-All-Star

Danny Granger had the chance to attend Yale

[sammichoffate]

Not a genius, but I read somewhere that Pau is a "renaissance man" because he enjoys piano, operas, and studying European culture in his free time. He speaks Spanish, Italian, and French along with Spanish and English. He actually sat through a medical procedure a while ago because he wanted to be a doctor when he was growing up, but went the NBA route instead.

[HOoopCityJones]

Not a genius, but I read somewhere that Pau is a "renaissance man" because he enjoys piano, operas, and studying European culture in his free time. He speaks Spanish, Italian, and French along with Spanish and English. He actually sat through a medical procedure a while ago because he wanted to be a doctor when he was growing up, but went the NBA route instead.

Yea, Pau was gonna be a Doctor if not for his height.

[CarlosBoozer]

Lin is probably the most academically intelligent nba player

[Straight_Ballin]

John Urschel may or may not be a genius. This shit here doesn't make him a genius, not by any stretch of the imagination. People who don't study mathematics are profoundly impressed by it, simply because it is so foreign. It looks completely incomprehensible to someone uninitiated, but to perform high-level mathematics takes years of study, not genius intelligence.

Anyone who studied calculus math in their undergrad which these days is required for just say a BS in Chemistry can easily understand what was published. Doesn't mean that just because they understand it that they lack the level of genius to derive such a proof. Urschel to be a genius should score high enough on the Mensa certified test to be considered one.

[chocolatethunder]

Not a genius, but I read somewhere that Pau is a "renaissance man" because he enjoys piano, operas, and studying European culture in his free time. He speaks Spanish, Italian, and French along with Spanish and English. He actually sat through a medical procedure a while ago because he wanted to be a doctor when he was growing up, but went the NBA route instead.

So you're saying that he speaks Spanish twice? Damn. Def not a genius but smart for sure.

[Milbuck]

He's probably not genius level, but Kendall Marshall speaks 5 languages and double majored in Biochemistry and Immunology. Has to be one of the smartest players ever. Kinda makes his knowledge of the game and crazy court vision more understandable.

[bballnoob1192]

yea man tons. Kobe, lebron, KG, DH, pretty much any player that decided to skip the corrupted NCAA system and went straight to the NBA is a genius to me.

[jzek]

He's probably not genius level, but Kendall Marshall speaks 5 languages and double majored in Biochemistry and Immunology.

I can't find any proof of the above. See: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Kendall+Marshall+basketball+biochemistry+immuno logy :confusedshrug:

[sammichoffate]

So you're saying that he speaks Spanish twice? Damn. Def not a genius but smart for sure.Mb, meant his native Catalon. Was tired af when I typed this out :facepalm

[LoneyROY7]

Brandon Knight was 4.0 student throughout high school and his one year at Kentucky.

[Sarcastic]

Bill Bradley was a Rhodes Scholar, and attended Princeton and Oxford.

[fsvr54]

Has anyone here ever heard of Jerry Lucas?

[T_L_P]

Has anyone here ever heard of Jerry Lucas?

Weak era. Needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

[ZMonkey11]

Any bother to suggest the importance of the above? If it isn't important, then it's not really impressive. It's just playing around with numbers and how things relate in a closed system. Most academic publications are filled with this kind of pointless fluff, but it doesn't make them any more important, or any less the arbitrary intellectual *********ion of a guy trying to impress his peers with pointless complexities and jargon that seems so prevalent in these sorts of publication.

All the fluff you just stated he writes about is how I feel about all the fluff you just wrote to look smart.

[jack612blue]

Genuis? Nah...


He's on par with a Masters level Math student at any University. Really.


Bunch of foreign symbols/equations that have no applicable value.

[Psileas]

Anyone who studied calculus math in their undergrad which these days is required for just say a BS in Chemistry can easily understand what was published. Doesn't mean that just because they understand it that they lack the level of genius to derive such a proof. Urschel to be a genius should score high enough on the Mensa certified test to be considered one.

His Wonderlic test result was 43, 5 points higher than the next highest football player. I don't know how similar the Wonderlic test is to the Mensa one, but its score seems to have some good linear connection with IQ, the formula being IQ=2W+60, thus giving him an estimated IQ of 146, which some consider lower genius level.

[ILLsmak]

Bill Bradley was a Rhodes Scholar, and attended Princeton and Oxford.

yeah I mean making it to the Senate is kind of a big thing.

I don't like this question because it seems to imply that it takes more 'genius' to be good at math than it does to be good at basketball.

Of course, there are different kinds of intelligence, and pure athleticism or what we could argue is kind of like savantism in a lot of bball players is enough to get by even at the NBA level, but one can express their genius in basketball just like they could at ballet.

You'd have to look at their decision making, what they saw of the whole picture (each player being a variable) and how far they could read ahead. Of course, moving your body and assessing the emotional state (shook, ready to shoot, etc) of each player is a part of intelligence, too.

It could be someone who rarely gets put in the position to showcase this level of intelligence because, all in all, the NBA values people who fall in line and geniuses... generally don't. It also could not come out later, for instance let's assume Phil Jackson is a genius.

I'm sure there has been a genius level NBA player because odds. If dude's IQ is 145 (and that's all you're going by) we're talking maybe what... 1 out of 1000 intelligence? Adjust for the fact that it's not a random pick of people and I still think there are people that have been in the NBA with that level of intelligence. May not have written papers. Judging intelligence by only accomplishments is arguably more short sighted than judging it purely by test scores.

-Smak

[IGOTGAME]

Jeremy Lin is probably #1 among NBAers, but probably still not at a strictly genius level, although Harvard doesn't offer sport scholarships. This football guy is an exception among sportsmen.

Lin got a 3.0 from Harvard in Econ. That is not a good GPA from Harvard, it is bottom 10%. If he wasnt a basketball player he wouldnt have gotten into Harvard and his performance there was poor.

I severely doubt he is #1.

Matt Bonner graduated with a 3.96 from UF. That is more impressive than a shit GPA from Harvard. Lin's GPA is so bad that people would actually be concerned about it in interviews, you really have to try to less than B+ grades at Harvard.

[ralph_i_el]

yeah I mean making it to the Senate is kind of a big thing.

I don't like this question because it seems to imply that it takes more 'genius' to be good at math than it does to be good at basketball.

Of course, there are different kinds of intelligence, and pure athleticism or what we could argue is kind of like savantism in a lot of bball players is enough to get by even at the NBA level, but one can express their genius in basketball just like they could at ballet.

You'd have to look at their decision making, what they saw of the whole picture (each player being a variable) and how far they could read ahead. Of course, moving your body and assessing the emotional state (shook, ready to shoot, etc) of each player is a part of intelligence, too.

It could be someone who rarely gets put in the position to showcase this level of intelligence because, all in all, the NBA values people who fall in line and geniuses... generally don't. It also could not come out later, for instance let's assume Phil Jackson is a genius.

I'm sure there has been a genius level NBA player because odds. If dude's IQ is 145 (and that's all you're going by) we're talking maybe what... 1 out of 1000 intelligence? Adjust for the fact that it's not a random pick of people and I still think there are people that have been in the NBA with that level of intelligence. May not have written papers. Judging intelligence by only accomplishments is arguably more short sighted than judging it purely by test scores.

-Smak

:applause: well said