James Harden's 8 40 point games this season

[Joyner82reload]

@ SAC 44 points 14-32 FG 13-15 FTA
@ Den 41 points 11-21 FG 18-21 FTA
Por 44 points 14-26 FG 12-13 FTA
Ind 45 points 12-18 FG 14-15 FTA
Por 45 points 11-25 FG 19-23 FTA
@ Pho 40 points 13-23 FG 11-14 FTA
Den 50 points 12-27 FG 22-25 FTA
@ Ind 44 points 10-21 FG 21-22 FTA

Averaging 18.5 FTA for his 40 point games

[navy]

Goat.

[Dubs510]

Goat scorer :sleeping

[TheMarkMadsen]

@ SAC 44 points 14-32 FG 13-15 FTA
@ Den 41 points 11-21 FG 18-21 FTA
Por 44 points 14-26 FG 12-13 FTA
Ind 45 points 12-18 FG 14-15 FTA
Por 45 points 11-25 FG 19-23 FTA
@ Pho 40 points 13-23 FG 11-14 FTA
Den 50 points 12-27 FG 22-25 FTA
@ Ind 44 points 10-21 FG 21-22 FTA

Averaging 18.5 FTA for his 40 point games

Bolded = more FTA than Kobe's 81 point game

Kobe had twenty seven 40+ point games in 06 and only 6 of those games did he take more than 18 FTA in, which is Harden's average for this stretch..

da fuq? this dude only has high scoring games when he takes 20 FTA?

[UK2K]

53% from the field.

Last 12 games...

12.1 FTA per game

Westbrook

13.3 FTA per game

[BigBoss]

Kobe "GODBE" Bryant

05-06: 27 40+ point games
02-03: 19 40+ point games
06-07: 18 40+ point games


Guess who comes in at 4th place in the last 15 years?

AI with 17 in 00-01.

GODbe.

[Graviton]

What are Westbrook's FTAs in his 40 point games?

[navy]

Kobe "GODBE" Bryant

05-06: 27 40+ point games
02-03: 19 40+ point games
06-07: 18 40+ point games


Guess who comes in at 4th place in the last 15 years?

AI with 17 in 00-01.

GODbe.
Empty.

[BigBoss]

Empty.

5 rings

[navy]

Durant fans complaining about Harden's free throws?

Harden basically does the Durant while moving. Dude is the master. Durant is still the servant.

[20Four]

Empty.
Like your brain

[UK2K]

What are Westbrook's FTAs in his 40 point games?

16-20
12-15
12-14
15-15
12-12
7-9

May have missed one, but about 13 per game.

His FG's are where it's at though

14-32
16-33
14-32
15-28
13-30
16-34

[navy]

Like your brain
Damn. Kevin Garnett gif.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Westbrook gets 40 point triple doubles

[BigBoss]

Damn. Kevin Garnett gif.

5 rings

[kennethgriffin]

Only one more and hardens season total will match kobes consective 40 point game record

[Graviton]

16-20
12-15
12-14
15-15
12-12
7-9

May have missed one, but about 13 per game.
Thanks.

I know that just by looking at the box score people get angry about 20+ FTs but watching the game may show he is attacking the basket and getting legit fouls. Knowing how to get to the line is an important skill, especially in a grind out type game with tight defense and fewer fastbreaks. I only get mad about FTs gifted from flops.

[BigBoss]

Remember when Kobe dropped 65-50-60-50 4 games in a row

5 rings too

[KG215]

Westbrook gets 40 point triple doubles
And actually attacks the basket hard and attempts to make a layup or dunk instead of just throwing his arms up while not even making any kind of attempt to put the ball in the basket.

[BigBoss]

And actually attacks the basket hard and attempts to make a layup or dunk instead of just throwing his arms up while not even making any kind of attempt to put the ball in the basket.

With his tampon falling out too

[Smook A.]

Not trying to compare Harden to Kobe in any way, but here's just an example of Kobe's 40+ pt games in 05-06:

42 pts (12-14 FT)
43 pts (8-12 FT)
46 pts (14-16 FT)
43 pts (10-12 FT)
41 pts (11-14 FT)
62 pts (22-25 FT)
45 pts (15-19 FT)
40 pts (23-26 FT)

Those are just a few. He obviously had a lot more. I'm just trying to show that Harden isn't the only player to have 40+ point games with a huge amount of free throws. There are other superstar players who've had crazy amounts of FTA too. In Wade's 3rd and 4th years in the NBA, he was averaging around 10-11 free throws a contest. Michael Jordan was averaging 11 in just his 3rd year. Kobe has had a couple 10+ FTA seasons... KD has had two. Lot's of guys have. The thing with Harden is that he does exaggerate his contact a bit and also has that arm extension move, but since when is drawing fouls a bad thing. Yeah it gets annoying for the opposing team's fan to watch, but drawing and making free throws is a fundamental and Harden is very good at it. Just because he shoots a lot of free throws, doesn't mean he is a "fake" superstar. There's no denying that he's a very talented basketball player.

[TheMarkMadsen]

And actually attacks the basket hard and attempts to make a layup or dunk instead of just throwing his arms up while not even making any kind of attempt to put the ball in the basket.


exactly this, watching Harden drive into the lane in last years playoffs just to throw up his arms and attempt to flop more than actually make the shot was the most disgusting display of basketball i've seen in years

[UK2K]

Thanks.

I know that just by looking at the box score people get angry about 20+ FTs but watching the game may show he is attacking the basket and getting legit fouls. Knowing how to get to the line is an important skill, especially in a grind out type game with tight defense and fewer fastbreaks. I only get mad about FTs gifted from flops.

Like I said in the other thread, even the Pacers radio hosts were bitching that Hill and Hill couldn't stay in front of Harden and wouldn't stop slapping.

Its just natural to want to slap at an exposed ball, but Harden is so strong that when you slap at it, you may get some ball, but you are going to get some arm as well.

If guys guarding him would stop slapping and just put their hands up, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[BigBoss]

James Harden has a ****** under his beard

[UK2K]

Not trying to compare Harden to Kobe in any way, but here's just an example of Kobe's 40+ pt games in 05-06:

42 pts (12-14 FT)
43 pts (8-12 FT)
46 pts (14-16 FT)
43 pts (10-12 FT)
41 pts (11-14 FT)
62 pts (22-25 FT)
45 pts (15-19 FT)
40 pts (23-26 FT)

Those are just a few. He obviously had a lot more. I'm just trying to show that Harden isn't the only player to have 40+ point games with a huge amount of free throws. There are other superstar players who've had crazy amounts of FTA too. In Wade's 3rd and 4th years in the NBA, he was averaging around 10-11 free throws a contest. Michael Jordan was averaging 11 in just his 3rd year. Kobe has had a couple 10+ FTA seasons... KD has had two. Lot's of guys have. The thing with Harden is that he does exaggerate his contact a bit and also has that arm extension move, but since when is drawing fouls a bad thing. Yeah it gets annoying for the opposing team's fan to watch, but drawing and making free throws is a fundamental and Harden is very good at it.

People try to shit on Kobe because of the last two years, but there's no denying he was one of the greatest to ever play the game in his prime.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Not trying to compare Harden to Kobe in any way, but here's just an example of Kobe's 40+ pt games in 05-06:

42 pts (12-14 FT)
43 pts (8-12 FT)
46 pts (14-16 FT)
43 pts (10-12 FT)
41 pts (11-14 FT)
62 pts (22-25 FT)
45 pts (15-19 FT)
40 pts (23-26 FT)

Those are just a few. He obviously had a lot more. I'm just trying to show that Harden isn't the only player to have 40+ point games with a huge amount of free throws. There are other superstar players who've had crazy amounts of FTA too. In Wade's 3rd and 4th years in the NBA, he was averaging around 10-11 free throws a contest. Michael Jordan was averaging 11 in just his 3rd year. Kobe has had a couple 10+ FTA seasons... KD has had two. Lot's of guys have. The thing with Harden is that he does exaggerate his contact a bit and also has that arm extension move, but since when is drawing fouls a bad thing. Yeah it gets annoying for the opposing team's fan to watch, but drawing and making free throws is a fundamental and Harden is very good at it.


Kobe dropped twenty seven 40+ points games in 06

out of those twenty seven, only six of those games came with more than 18 FTA

Harden is averaging 19 FTA for all of his 40 point games this season..

HUGE DIFFERENCE

[Jud]

Like your brain
Your wallet is emptier than a snail's brain. You make $7 an hour flippin patties.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe dropped twenty seven 40+ points games in 06

out of those twenty seven, only six of those games came with more than 18 FTA

Harden is averaging 19 FTA for all of his 40 point games this season..

HUGE DIFFERENCE


Rat poison

[UK2K]

Kobe dropped twenty seven 40+ points games in 06

out of those twenty seven, only six of those games came with more than 18 FTA

Harden is averaging 19 FTA for all of his 40 point games this season..

HUGE DIFFERENCE

Kobe is better than Harden.

But to be fair, Kobe was 27 and in his 10th season when he did that. Harden is in his 6th season, and his 3rd as a starter.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe is better than Harden.

But to be fair, Kobe was 27 and in his 10th season when he did that. Harden is in his 6th season, and his 3rd as a starter.
But*

Kobe was only in his 2nd season with his own team where he could take allot of shots every night

[Smook A.]

Kobe dropped twenty seven 40+ points games in 06

out of those twenty seven, only six of those games came with more than 18 FTA

Harden is averaging 19 FTA for all of his 40 point games this season..

HUGE DIFFERENCE
I already said that the example I showed was just a sample size. I even stated that Kobe had several more of those 40+ point games in 05-06. My whole point was that Harden isn't the only player who averages a crap ton of free throws to get a huge point total.

We're always acting like Harden can only score big when he shoots a lot of free throws. Look at Westbrook a couple games ago: 36 points (19-22 FT) on 31% shooting and yet I didn't see a single person on here bashing him for the amount of free throws he took.

[DatAsh]

Bolded = more FTA than Kobe's 81 point game

Kobe had twenty seven 40+ point games in 06 and only 6 of those games did he take more than 18 FTA in, which is Harden's average for this stretch..

da fuq? this dude only has high scoring games when he takes 20 FTA?

Harden's a lot better at drawing contact than Kobe, maybe the best ever.

[Milbuck]

Kobe is better than Harden.

But to be fair, Kobe was 27 and in his 10th season when he did that. Harden is in his 6th season, and his 3rd as a starter.
What about when Kobe was 24-25, Harden's age...He dropped 9 straight 40 point games...44 ppg on 50/47/83 shooting with 12.6 FTA :confusedshrug: And that was in a much tougher defensive era...before the rule changes. Before hand checking was gone, but with illegal defenses. 03 Kobe would destroy the league right now.

[pauk]

Here are the highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqP5TVxmD3Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYLfEt--9qA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkSSzx6wTFk

:bowdown:

....aaaand the signature move:

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1968295/HardenCraneFreeThrowSac.gif

[TheMarkMadsen]

Harden's a lot better at drawing contact than Kobe, maybe the best ever.


because of shit like this

I mean look at this guy..

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/originals/2013/11/07/james-harden-flop.nba/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EOYSzVLQyc


When Harden attacks he's not looking to make the shot regardless of the foul, he's looking to draw the foul regardless of making the shot.

I've never seen another player play for the whistle as much as this guy, and not surprisingly his style of play has never been successful in the playoffs as the go to guy.

I watched that entire Blazers series and it was cringe worthy watching this guy drive the lane expecting the foul with no regard for an actual shot attempt.

[aj1987]

Dwyane Wade has had 40 40+ games in his career. In 5 of those, he attempted 20+ FT's. Harden has had 20+ FT 40+ point games 4 times this season alone. Let that sink in.

LeBron has had 67 40 point games. Only 6 with 20+ FT's.

Heck, Kobe has had 134 40+ games. 12 with 20+ FT's.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I already said that the example I showed was just a sample size. I even stated that Kobe had several more of those 40+ point games in 05-06. My whole point was that Harden isn't the only player who averages a crap ton of free throws to get a huge point total.

We're always acting like Harden can only score big when he shoots a lot of free throws. Look at Westbrook a couple games ago: 36 points (19-22 FT) on 31% shooting and yet I didn't see a single person on here bashing him for the amount of free throws he took.


Kobe has never been as reliant of FT's for his scoring outburst as Harden has.

Their games are completely different, almost polar opposites really. Kobe loves the long 2, he loved the drive, and loves to post up

Harden either shoots the 3 or drives to the lane looking for the foul

I wish Harden played differently, I liked him and OKC & always thought he had huge potential. I even used him in 2k, and then I him last year on the Rockets

[Joyner82reload]

Dwyane Wade has had 40 40+ games in his career. In 5 of those, he attempted 20+ FT's. Harden has had 20+ FT 40+ point games 4 times this season alone. Let that sink in.

LeBron has had 67 40 point games. Only 6 with 20+ FT's.

Heck, Kobe has had 134 40+ games. 12 with 20+ FT's.

Kevin Durant has a total of 6 CAREER games with 20+ FT's. Not 40 point games with 20+ FTA, ANY GAME with 20+ FTA

[pauk]

because of shit like this

I mean look at this guy..

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/originals/2013/11/07/james-harden-flop.nba/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EOYSzVLQyc


When Harden attacks he's not looking to make the shot regardless of the foul, he's looking to draw the foul regardless of making the shot.

I've never seen another player play for the whistle as much as this guy, and not surprisingly his style of play has never been successful in the playoffs as the go to guy.

I watched that entire Blazers series and it was cringe worthy watching this guy drive the lane expecting the foul with no regard for an actual shot attempt.

lmao @ 0:49

[UK2K]

What about when Kobe was 24-25, Harden's age...He dropped 9 straight 40 point games...44 ppg on 50/47/83 shooting with 12.6 FTA :confusedshrug: And that was in a much tougher defensive era...before the rule changes. Before hand checking was gone, but with illegal defenses. 03 Kobe would destroy the league right now.
That first line, that says Kobe is better than Harden.

Yeah, that.

[ronnymac]

Kobe has never been as reliant of FT's for his scoring outburst as Harden has.

Their games are completely different, almost polar opposites really. Kobe loves the long 2, he loved the drive, and loves to post up

Harden either shoots the 3 or drives to the lane looking for the foul

I wish Harden played differently, I liked him and OKC & always thought he had huge potential. I even used him in 2k, and then I him last year on the Rockets
Really? this season in particular James shoots a healthy % of his shots on the elbow with that now signature jumper or the one dribble step back.He does take a few jumpshots on the elbow or on top of the key and that is why he has become harder to guard. If you watch the Rockets usually either Dmo or Jones are on top of the key where they hand it off to a curling james to make a move off the top of the key where Harden looks for his jumper.

Last season that was not a play we ran. Another play is we post harden on the top of the key and he gets the entery pass and he moves another move which usually result in a jumper or a stepback from there.

The Rockets run a few player for james for the mid-range game.Last season was the 3 point shot or the basket attack.

[qrich]

53% from the field.

Last 12 games...

12.1 FTA per game

Westbrook

13.3 FTA per game


Harden: flop flop flop

Westbrook: Resilient.




I've never seen another player play for the whistle as much as this guy, and not surprisingly his style of play has never been successful in the playoffs as the go to guy.

http://www.oddjack.com/wp-content/corey_maggette.jpg

Difference is, Maggette actually took more contact and don't think he got 20 freebies, else he'd average over 30 a game.

[Marchesk]

Averaging 18.5 FTA for his 40 point games

Damn, Wilt only averaged 17 FTA during his 50 pt season! Wilt was taking 40 shots to get those 17 free throw attempts. And Harden shoots 3s, so that's even less shots. Hack a Harden? WTF?

For Harden's 8 forty point games, he averaged 16 less shots a game, but shot 1.5 more FTs than Wilt in 61/62!

[dunksby]

Damn, Wilt only averaged 17 FTA during his 50 pt season! Wilt was taking 40 shots to get those 17 free throw attempts. And Harden shoots 3s, so that's even less shots. Hack a Harden? WTF?
Harden isn't hitting 50% of his two-point attempts either.

[UK2K]

Harden isn't hitting 50% of his two-point attempts either.

Or taking 99% of his shots right underneath the basket.

[dunksby]

Or taking 99% of his shots right underneath the basket.
Harden is not a good shooter and he takes a lot of shots under the basket too.
http://s7.postimg.org/cmpsg0yyj/Harden.png

[UK2K]

Harden is not a good shooter and he takes a lot of shots under the basket too.
http://s7.postimg.org/cmpsg0yyj/Harden.png
Not sure how that relates to Wilt Chamberlain's shot selection....

[Marchesk]

Not sure how that relates to Wilt Chamberlain's shot selection....

I would be curious to know that, though.

[ImKobe]

that's cute, Kobe had 8 of them at age 34

[NZStreetBaller]

This thread made me realize how much more awesome kobe is.

[dunksby]

Not sure how that relates to Wilt Chamberlain's shot selection....
Wilt was smart and efficient with his while Harden isn't? Marchesk mentioned Wilt's 50 PPG and I completed his comparison. I guess my main point was that Harden should improve his J.

[Papaya Petee]

But*

Kobe was only in his 2nd season with his own team where he could take allot of shots every night
:roll: :roll: :roll: Acting like Kobe didn't chuck when Shaq was in LA.

Laughable.

[Wally450]

MVP :bowdown:

[ISHGoat]

All the kobe nutriders sound like 3ball in a lebron thread. just look at yourself, this is a thread about harden's accomplishments this season, and a flock of retarded kobe stans come in here to hate on him and discuss shit from 10 years ago

[Joyner82reload]

All the kobe nutriders sound like 3ball in a lebron thread. just look at yourself, this is a thread about harden's accomplishments this season, and a flock of retarded kobe stans come in here to hate on him and discuss shit from 10 years ago

This thread isn't about Harden's "accomplishments" this season, it's about bringing light to how reliant upon FT's he is to score 40+. Which actually makes their comments even more ignorant.

[SmackOrH.A.K]

man we talk about free throws way too much on this forum :oldlol:

[NZStreetBaller]

man we talk about free throws way too much on this forum :oldlol:

This.
ask a scorer ask any scorer. It doesnt matter if you score by fgs or you score by fts scorings scoring

[AintNoSunshine]

5 rings

Shaq