Career FTA per FGA

[Marchesk]

Edit: I meant FGA per FTA, if a mod would be so kind to change the title.

To put things into perspective:

Shaq - 1.73
Harden - 1.83
Wilt - 1.98
Wade - 2.17
Durant - 2.30
Lebron - 2.33
Kobe - 2.58
Melo - 2.60
MJ - 2.80

Explain why Harden belongs right below Shaq. Hack a Harden! In comparison, MJ got downright disrespected.

[Marchesk]

In Jordan's highest scoring season with his most FTA, it still took him 2.34 field goal attempts to get a free throw. This is attack the rim and dunk on everyone MJ.

[UK2K]

Here's a few to put things into perspective:

Shaq - 1.73
Harden - 1.83
Wilt - 1.98
Wade - 2.17
Durant - 2.30
Lebron - 2.33
Kobe - 2.58
Melo - 2.60
MJ - 2.80

Explain why Harden belongs right below Shaq. Hack a Harden! In comparison, MJ got downright disrespected.

Because Harden drives to the rim more than almost everybody else in the league.

Also, Harden has attempted 20+ FG's four times since the ASB. Westbrook has attempted 20+ FGs 10 times since the ASB.

Kind of skews the FT/FGA stat a bit when one guy is taking 22 per game over a month span.

[Marchesk]

Because Harden drives to the rim more than almost everybody else in the league.

I'm comparing Harden to other big time scorers historically over their careers, some of who were known for driving hard to the rim like MJ and Wade, and some who drew lots of fouls by virtue of being near unstoppable forces inside, such as Shaq and Wilt.

That Harden is that close to Shaq is ridiculous.

[UK2K]

I'm comparing Harden to other big time scorers historically over their careers, some of who were known for driving hard to the rim like MJ and Wade, and some who drew lots of fouls by virtue of being near unstoppable forces inside, such as Shaq and Wilt.

That Harden is that close to Shaq is ridiculous.

Because the league, like the NFL, and America in general, has been pussified.

See on the blacktop, I don't ever call fouls because I don't like to admit that someone affected my shot. You want to play hard? Cool I'll run you over next time. (This was MJ's and Shaq's time).

But now... you can't be mean. Or yell. Or question a call. Or trash talk. Or in the case of college, you can't taunt or discourage the other team in anyway. You can't hang on the rim.

Its a sad state of affairs, where we are now, but it is what it is.

[Marchesk]

Anthony Davis - 2.58

I guess bigs don't draw much contact these days.

Westbrook - 2.55

Getting more ref love recently.

Dr J - 2.90

Come on now, the Doctor wasn't known as a jump shooter.

[Marchesk]

But now... you can't be mean. Or yell. Or question a call. Or trash talk. Or in the case of college, you can't taunt or discourage the other team in anyway. You can't hang on the rim.

Its a sad state of affairs, where we are now, but it is what it is.

I agree with you. I liked the bad blood back in the 80s.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/3725003/dr-j-punches-larry-bird-o.gif

[JebronLames]

Edit: I meant FGA per FTA, if a mod would be so kind to change the title.

To put things into perspective:

Shaq - 1.73
Harden - 1.83
Wilt - 1.98
Wade - 2.17
Durant - 2.30
Lebron - 2.33
Kobe - 2.58
Melo - 2.60
MJ - 2.80

Explain why Harden belongs right below Shaq. Hack a Harden! In comparison, MJ got downright disrespected.
He's good at anticipating contact and drawing fouls.

[ImKobe]

this stat is horseshit because some of these players only drive to the rim and rely on drawing contact to get to the line, Kobe takes a lot of outside shots and mid-range jump shots, he's going to have more field goal attempts....

[qrich]

Some Clipper dudes:
DeAndre: 1.19 on the season :facepalm
Blake: 2.21 crazy with the amount of contact he takes
Maggette: 1.6 dude attacked non stop, so damn strong
Brand: 2.66 wow.

Some of the chuckers were funny tho

Steve Novak: 14.87 (11.58 3PA per FTA)
Korver: 5.76
Kapono: 9.4
Radmanovic: 6.42
Tim Thomas: 3.81



Because Harden drives to the rim more than almost everybody else in the league.

Also, Harden has attempted 20+ FG's four times since the ASB. Westbrook has attempted 20+ FGs 10 times since the ASB.

Kind of skews the FT/FGA stat a bit when one guy is taking 22 per game over a month span.

He also flails at the slightest bit of contact with no regard to the shot.

[VengefulAngel]

God Lebron is down right disrespected, really surprised by MJ's FTA/FGA.

[JebronLames]

God Lebron is down right disrespected, really surprised by MJ's FTA/FGA.
Yes, LeBron should get more calls. Not surprised by jordan since no defense was played back then.

[fiddy]

Yes, LeBron should get more calls. Not surprised by jordan since no defense was played back then.
Not sure if its worth to waste my neg on that shit.

[warriorfan]

Yeah Jordan is down there because you used to be able to hand check people all day. Put Harden out in MJ's era and he would be John Starks 2.0. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[BigTicket]

James Harden is even more ridiculous when you consider how many of his FGA's are three pointers, which usually don't lead to FT's. If you listed this as 2PA per FTA he would be even more extreme.


2PAs per FTA
Harden - 1.09
Shaq - 1.73
Durant - 1.76
Lebron - 1.86
Wade - 1.96
Kobe - 2.05
Westbrook - 2.17
MJ - 2.59

Harden does drive to the basket a lot, but he's clearly also getting a lot of love from the refs.

[dunksby]

Edit: I meant FGA per FTA, if a mod would be so kind to change the title.

To put things into perspective:

Shaq - 1.73
Harden - 1.83
Wilt - 1.98
Wade - 2.17
Durant - 2.30
Lebron - 2.33
Kobe - 2.58
Melo - 2.60
MJ - 2.80

Explain why Harden belongs right below Shaq. Hack a Harden! In comparison, MJ got downright disrespected.
I agree with our point in principle but I don't see how this stat is relevant? If you want to compare players across eras at least use the Per 100 Poss stat, apart from Wilt the data for all of them is available. Here is a few:

Per 100 Poss career FTA:

Shaq - 14
Harden - 11.1 (13 on HOU)
Wade - 12
Durant - 11
Lebron - 11.5
Kobe - 11
Melo - 11
MJ - 11.5

[BigTicket]

Per 100 possesions is kind of pointless, because those are 100 team possesions, not 100 player possesions, so it mostly shows how often you get the ball.

[dunksby]

Per 100 possesions is kind of pointless, because those are 100 team possesions, not 100 player possesions, so it mostly shows how often you get the ball.
You play part of a team?

[T_L_P]

Because the league, like the NFL, and America in general, has been pussified.

See on the blacktop, I don't ever call fouls because I don't like to admit that someone affected my shot. You want to play hard? Cool I'll run you over next time. (This was MJ's and Shaq's time).

But now... you can't be mean. Or yell. Or question a call. Or trash talk. Or in the case of college, you can't taunt or discourage the other team in anyway. You can't hang on the rim.

Its a sad state of affairs, where we are now, but it is what it is.

Blame the 80s Pistons, 90s Knicks and 00s Pistons/Pacers, tbh.

[f0und]

harden knows how to play the refs. some people say its smart and they dont have a problem with it. then theres people like me that agree its smart, but think thats such a bush league b*itch *ss way to play basketball. doing his best to bring the highest level of basketball down to the sorry depths of the p*ssiest of all p*ussy athletes, soccer. its just one of the reasons why the NBA has lost much of its popularity lately.

[dunksby]

harden knows how to play the refs. some people say its smart and they dont have a problem with it. then theres people like me that agree its smart, but think thats such a bush league b*itch *ss way to play basketball. doing his best to bring the highest level of basketball down to the sorry depths of the p*ssiest of all p*ussy athletes, soccer. its just one of the reasons why the NBA has lost much of its popularity lately.
You seem to have great contempt for *****, what gives?

[Dresta]

James Harden is even more ridiculous when you consider how many of his FGA's are three pointers, which usually don't lead to FT's. If you listed this as 2PA per FTA he would be even more extreme.


2PAs per FTA
Harden - 1.09
Shaq - 1.73
Durant - 1.76
Lebron - 1.86
Wade - 1.96
Kobe - 2.05
Westbrook - 2.17
MJ - 2.59

Harden does drive to the basket a lot, but he's clearly also getting a lot of love from the refs.
That is ****ing ridiculous. Amazing how little it's been picked up on in the media that Harden is doing something unprecedented with the absurd amount of fts he gets himself by flailing around like an idiot. Not only is it unprecedented, but no one else comes remotely close to him. Talk about a manufactured superstar.

[Velocirap31]

James Harden is even more ridiculous when you consider how many of his FGA's are three pointers, which usually don't lead to FT's. If you listed this as 2PA per FTA he would be even more extreme.


2PAs per FTA
Harden - 1.09
Shaq - 1.73
Durant - 1.76
Lebron - 1.86
Wade - 1.96
Kobe - 2.05
Westbrook - 2.17
MJ - 2.59

Harden does drive to the basket a lot, but he's clearly also getting a lot of love from the refs.

:eek: Wow, isn't Harden then what we refer to here as a 'manufactured superstar'?

Edit: Dresta beat me to it

[scandisk_]

It has something to do with da beard :lol

Holy f**kin shit though it's like a shootin a FREEthrow per FG attempt.

:roll: :roll:

[gts]

Harden's going to be in for a shock when that well runs dry in the playoffs

[riseagainst]

rofl James Harden earning a freethrow for every shot he takes. If he played in the 80s and 90s, he'd at least get laid the fck out as punishment for flopping every time he takes a shot.

:facepalm

[scandisk_]

rofl James Harden earning a freethrow for every shot he takes. If he played in the 80s and 90s, he'd at least get laid the fck out as punishment for flopping every time he takes a shot.

:facepalm


so more Freethrows :lol

[f0und]

you know what else is crazy? he shoots a pretty bad fg%. usually high ft shooters shoot a decent % because bailout calls save a player's fg%.

[Prometheus]

These numbers just confirm what is obvious by the eye test: James Harden's offensive game is built around the whistle, and he is truly (not trolling) a total disgrace to the game of basketball.

[S13M]

Just leaving this here.


Harden average 9.9 FT/G

When Harden shot 9 FT or lower: 22 PPG 53 TS% (36 games)
When Harden shot 10 FT or higher: 33 PPG 67 TS% (32 games)

This might be the highest efficiency difference in history by far.

[IncarceratedBob]

hardens entire game is based off of getting calls, ergo in the playoffs his true colors show

[John Tesh]

Because Harden flops more than almost everybody else in the league.


Fixed.

[SHAQisGOAT]

One the VERY BEST I've seen at drawing fouls, from a skill standpoint let's say, not putting a big credit on flopping, and he shot extremely well from the FT line so you wouldn't want him there... was Adrian Dantley.
Dude was very methodical, great at picking his spots and using all the angles, had every little trick in the book and knew how to use his buff frame extremely well to his advantage.

[Psileas]

Edit: I meant FGA per FTA, if a mod would be so kind to change the title.

To put things into perspective:

Shaq - 1.73
Harden - 1.83
Wilt - 1.98
Wade - 2.17
Durant - 2.30
Lebron - 2.33
Kobe - 2.58
Melo - 2.60
MJ - 2.80

Explain why Harden belongs right below Shaq. Hack a Harden! In comparison, MJ got downright disrespected.

Also:

Moses Malone (banger) - 1.75
Karl Malone (all-time FTA and FTM leader) - 1.99
Oscar Robertson - 2.14
Jerry West - 2.16
Kareem - 3.04
Larry Bird - 3.88

Harden's ratio is nothing short of ridiculous. Yes, he does drive a lot, but he also takes a lot of long range shots, as well. I'm pretty sure, if stats for FTA's per drive exist, he's still way ahead of almost everyone else.
I kind of think his beard helps him by making his head look bigger, thus magnifying his head fakes and flops.

[jlip]

Also:


Kareem - 3.04



:eek:

This is one of the reasons I consider him to be arguably the greatest scorer ever. His volume scoring was less dependent on the subjectivity of the refs whistle than nearly anyone else who was a volume scorer.

[Smoke117]

Dwight Howard: 1.23

It's really under appreciated how hard it was to stop Dwight if he was anywhere close to the rim.

[Velocirap31]

Seems to be apparent that star players before 2000 received far less free throws. Maybe we should factor this into play when comparing players from different eras.

[ralph_i_el]

. its just one of the reasons why the NBA has lost much of its popularity lately.
except....not

[SCdac]

It's whack. Shitty combination of a highly skilled player playing for fouls and ticky tack fouls being called too much. In the playoffs they let em play more, probably because there's more eyes watching around the world and defenses definitely pick up.

[DatAsh]

I agree with our point in principle but I don't see how this stat is relevant? If you want to compare players across eras at least use the Per 100 Poss stat, apart from Wilt the data for all of them is available. Here is a few:

Per 100 Poss career FTA:

Shaq - 14
Harden - 11.1 (13 on HOU)
Wade - 12
Durant - 11
Lebron - 11.5
Kobe - 11
Melo - 11
MJ - 11.5

Per 100 possessions misses the mark because it doesn't normalize shot attempts.

The best measure of how efficient a player is at drawing fouls is probably the 2pt numbers posted earlier.

I don't think you can compare guys like Jordan or Doc to the guys today. Modern era superstars just go to the line more than they did in the past, whether it's rule changes, changes in officiating, or players getting better at selling contact, it doesn't really matter.

Of the guys today, Harden is flat out better at initiating contact and drawing fouls. He goes to the line more because of his skill-set, not because the refs treat him differently. That move where he throws it up bowling style into a defenders arms is really effective at catching people that reach. I don't really see much difference between that and what Wade does with his pumpfake then jump into the defender move.

[Marchesk]

That move where he throws it up bowling style into a defenders arms is really effective at catching people that reach. I don't really see much difference between that and what Wade does with his pumpfake then jump into the defender move.

I despise both. It's penalizing the defender and bailing out the offensive player. Wade and Harden are just taking advantage of it more than most. It's really up to the league to decide to stop rewarding them. I hate it as a basketball fan like I hate flopping and blatant travelling NBA officials turn a blind eye to.

That's not how basketball should be called.

[Shih508]

Imagine AI gets the love that Harden's getting from refs & Stern

He'd be the GOAT

[TheMarkMadsen]

Per 100 possessions misses the mark because it doesn't normalize shot attempts.

The best measure of how efficient a player is at drawing fouls is probably the 2pt numbers posted earlier.

I don't think you can compare guys like Jordan or Doc to the guys today. Modern era superstars just go to the line more than they did in the past, whether it's rule changes, changes in officiating, or players getting better at selling contact, it doesn't really matter.

Of the guys today, Harden is flat out better at initiating contact and drawing fouls. He goes to the line more because of his skill-set, not because the refs treat him differently. That move where he throws it up bowling style into a defenders arms is really effective at catching people that reach. I don't really see much difference between that and what Wade does with his pumpfake then jump into the defender move.

and hopefully the NBA does something to deter this bull shit style of play as well

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/10773/new-officiating-rule-to-alter-wades-game

[DatAsh]

and hopefully the NBA does something to deter this bull shit style of play as well

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/10773/new-officiating-rule-to-alter-wades-game

Obviously he'll have to adapt if they change they way they call that move, but until they do, I see nothing wrong with him exploiting it.

[dunksby]

Per 100 possessions misses the mark because it doesn't normalize shot attempts.

The best measure of how efficient a player is at drawing fouls is probably the 2pt numbers posted earlier.

I don't think you can compare guys like Jordan or Doc to the guys today. Modern era superstars just go to the line more than they did in the past, whether it's rule changes, changes in officiating, or players getting better at selling contact, it doesn't really matter.

Of the guys today, Harden is flat out better at initiating contact and drawing fouls. He goes to the line more because of his skill-set, not because the refs treat him differently. That move where he throws it up bowling style into a defenders arms is really effective at catching people that reach. I don't really see much difference between that and what Wade does with his pumpfake then jump into the defender move.
Actually to my own surprise the numbers seem very close to FTA/FGA, to bring another example, Kareem averages 7 FTA Per 100 Poss for his career (data available since 74) which is again in line with his FTA/FGA being 3.04.
Kareem was a good FT shooter and I think that penalized him to an extent with refs calling less fouls in his favor, he was not a media guy either, defense did everything they could to stop him. Kareem's opponents had been scratching his eyes since college and that became so bad he started wearing goggles. I don't want to make this a Kareem thread, but the man played against the most physical, at times unsportsmanlike and notorious, defenses and still scored the most points in history while averaging 6 FTA for his career :bowdown:

[aj1987]

Obviously he'll have to adapt if they change they way they call that move, but until they do, I see nothing wrong with him exploiting it.
Do you actually think that Wade is reliant on FT's to get his points? Only 25% of his points come from FT's. Pretty much the same as Kobe and LeBron. Wade only averages 0.6 FT's a game more than Kobe and 0.3 FT's LESS than LeBron. This is a guy who is known for his slashing and taking a very high % of his shots at the rim, BTW. Wade is one of the best ever scoring guards.

Wait. Are you talking about Harden or Wade? If you're talking about Harden, please carry on. My bad.

[Akhenaten]

and hopefully the NBA does something to deter this bull shit style of play as well

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/10773/new-officiating-rule-to-alter-wades-game


Did you just post a Windhorst article? :facepalm
Also this article is from 2011 gooftroop, the rule has been changed for 3 seasons now and was made because people were complaining about Durant spamming the move

I thought the article would be about Wade's pump fake and jump into the defender move which is something he does with regularity.

Wade hardly ever uses the rip through move, certainly not nearly enough to where the change impacted his game or to be the face of this article.

the rip through is Kevin Durant and James Harden, Wade virtually never uses or used that move. Kobe used to do it a lot back in the day also.

Also the fat piece of sh!t is using quotes from other situations and misrepresenting them to appear in response to this situation:

[quote]

[aj1987]

Did you just post a Windhorst article? :facepalm
Also this article is from 2011 gooftroop, the rule has been changed for 3 seasons now and was made because people were complaining about Durant spamming the move

I thought the article would be about Wade's pump fake and jump into the defender move which is something he does with regularity.

Wade hardly ever uses the rip through move, certainly not nearly enough to where the change impacted his game or to be the face of this article.

the rip through is Kevin Durant and James Harden, Wade virtually never uses or used that move. Kobe used to do it a lot back in the day also.

Also the fat piece of sh!t is using quotes from other situations and misrepresenting them to appear in response to this situation:



this was a quote from like 07, 08 in regards to another rule change
Windhorst is so garbage

dont ever post no garbage like this again son
Not only that, but the fat **** acts like Wade couldn't play in the "hand-checking era". Not only was Wade more efficient than LeBron, Melo, and Bosh in '04, he took his team to the PO's and was hitting game winners in the PO's. Dude scored 18/4/6/1 as a rookie. 21/4/6/1/1 on 57% TS against the #3 defense and 61 win Pacers. Again, as a ROOKIE.