Adjusting to a defense requires scoring versatility (elite)

[3ball]

Example:

MJ scored 50 points in Game 1 of the 1988 First Round against Ron Harper and Cleveland's 5th-ranked defense - then he scored 55 in Game 2, but only by using every scoring method available against a Cleveland defense that was focused on preventing a repeat performance.

In Game 2, MJ used his JJ Redick catch-and-shoot game for almost all his points, but also showcased his Adrian Dantley/Mark Aguirre triple-threat game, his Hakeem post game, and his Gary Payton primary ballhandler/point-guard game..

MJ is the only player in history that is elite in all these areas - that's why he always scored at a GOAT level no matter the defense.

Game 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06ly1eN4tI

Btw, game 1 and game 2 of the 1998 First Round is the only time in history anyone had back-to-back 50 point playoff games.

[ISHGoat]

Why the fk do you keep pushing this agenda? Most of this board accepts MJ as the goat, only the trolls/AARP residents dont.

[inclinerator]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371556

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Jordan

Okay.

[Joyner82reload]

Durant is great at scoring in every way. Catch and shoot, slashing, fast break, isolation, off the dribble, you name it. But 2014 Durant is also the GOAT scorer.

[aj1987]

Durant is great at scoring in every way. Catch and shoot, slashing, fast break, isolation, off the dribble, you name it. But 2014 Durant is also the GOAT scorer.
You just went full retard. Never go full retard.


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=370101

3ball got wrecked so hard in that thread.

[Joyner82reload]

You just went full retard. Never go full retard.


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=370101

3ball got wrecked so hard in that thread.

32 ppg on +9.2% over league average shooting in a 93.9 pace season? Yes, that is the GOAT scoring regular season. Quite easily as well.

[Marchesk]

32 ppg on +9.2% over league average shooting in a 93.9 pace season? Yes, that is the GOAT scoring regular season. Quite easily as well.

http://clutch.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/wilt-chamberlain.jpg

[Marchesk]

In the 61/62 season, Wilt averaged 17.8 ppg more than the 2nd leading scorer (Bellamy since Baylor didn't play enough games). He shot 8% better than the league average.

Jordan has the next best ppg season to Wilt's top 3 at 37.1. That's still 13.3 ppg behind the 61/62 season. Meanwhile, Melo was 4.6 ppg behind Durant last season. That's about 14.4%.

In 61/62, Wilt outscored the next (official) leading scorer by around 35%. He outscored Jordan's best by about 26%.

Wilt had the best scoring season ever, period.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

In the 61/62 season, Wilt averaged 17.8 ppg more than the 2nd leading scorer (Bellamy since Baylor didn't play enough games). He shot 8% better than the league average.

Jordan has the next best ppg season to Wilt's top 3 at 37.1. That's still 13.3 ppg behind the 61/62 season. Meanwhile, Melo was 4.6 ppg behind Durant last season. That's about 14.4%.

In 61/62, Wilt outscored the next (official) leading scorer by around 35%. He outscored Jordan's best by about 26%.

Wilt had the best scoring season ever, period.

Is there no way to account for pace? BBref didn't have any per-100 stats, so I'm assuming that the necessary data is missing.

[3ball]

Durant is great at scoring in every way.


what a ****ing joke durant gets shut down by chris paul because he has a below-average post game, actually, no post game - so unlike Jordan, Durant is NOT elite at everything.

that's why he gets shut down in the playoffs - he's a perimeter player that can't physically bang and overpower inside the way MJ, Magic, and Bird could.

[Young X]

In the 61/62 season, Wilt averaged 17.8 ppg more than the 2nd leading scorer (Bellamy since Baylor didn't play enough games). He shot 8% better than the league average.

Jordan has the next best ppg season to Wilt's top 3 at 37.1. That's still 13.3 ppg behind the 61/62 season. Meanwhile, Melo was 4.6 ppg behind Durant last season. That's about 14.4%.

In 61/62, Wilt outscored the next (official) leading scorer by around 35%. He outscored Jordan's best by about 26%.

Wilt had the best scoring season ever, period.You're not factoring in the fact that there were much more possessions and opportunities to score back then.

And Jordan's '87 season isn't even his best scoring season, his '88 season is the best scoring season ever.

[Marchesk]

Is there no way to account for pace? BBref didn't have any per-100 stats, so I'm assuming that the necessary data is missing.

Right, the point is that Wilt outscored the next leading scorer by a massive percentage. Even if you put Baylor's ppg in their, it's still big. And despite the high pace era, nobody in the 60s outside of Wilt made it to 40 ppg in the regular season.

Don't get me wrong. Durant was amazing last year. I just don't see how it's the best regular scoring season ever. It's not like people haven't scored 32 in the past, while shooting above league average.

What Wilt did has never even been approached again.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

what a ****ing joke durant gets shut down by chris paul because he has a below-average post game - so unlike Jordan, Durant is NOT elite at everything.

that's why he gets shut down in the playoffs - he's a perimeter player that can't physically bang and overpower inside the way MJ, Magic, and Bird could.

PPG goes up but he gets shut down in the playoffs? It's true that his efficiency drops but I think that he keeps his volume high to create offensive rebounds for his teammates. (decreased efficiency = good teammate for creating more offensive rebounds is probably 3ball's stupidest argument ever)

[Siemens]

So OP's point is MJ was an elite player? Wow, so insightful.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Right, the point is that Wilt outscored the next leading scorer by a massive percentage. Even if you put Baylor's ppg in their, it's still big. And despite the high pace era, nobody in the 60s outside of Wilt made it to 40 ppg in the regular season.

That's still quite true. I was just curious.

[HOoopCityJones]

http://clutch.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/wilt-chamberlain.jpg

The nigguh is over 7 feet and plays close to the basket.

Wilt is the Goat center but I swear his stans are worse than Jordan's. You would think he was 5'9 and all Heart.


That guy was supposed to dominate his Era.

[Joyner82reload]

what a ****ing joke durant gets shut down by chris paul because he has a below-average post game, actually, no post game - so unlike Jordan, Durant is NOT elite at everything.

that's why he gets shut down in the playoffs - he's a perimeter player that can't physically bang and overpower inside the way MJ, Magic, and Bird could.

Durant is the NBA's active leading playoff ppg scorer and averaged 33/10/5 on 61TS% in that Clippers series where he was supposedly "shut down". He was also #1 in the NBA last season in points per possession on post ups.

Conclusion: You're a butthurt f@ggot who throws shit against a wall and hopes it sticks. Go jackoff to Jordan some more because you clearly have NO IDEA what the hell is going on in today's era.

[Marchesk]

The nigguh is over 7 feet and plays close to the basket.

Wilt is the Goat center but I swear his stans are worse than Jordan's. You would think he was 5'9 and all Heart.

That guy was supposed to dominate his Era.

Same with Shaq and Kareem. Doesn't change their scoring status. If you want to say Durant is the more versatile scorer, then fine. Doesn't make him a better scorer. Putting the ball in the hoop by whatever means is putting the ball in the hoop.

I'm not saying Durant isn't an elite scorer who might go down as one of the best ever, if he stays healthy going forward. I'm just saying last season doesn't eclipse Wilt's. It would be interesting though to see a top 10 scoring seasons list, though.

[Marchesk]

That's still quite true. I was just curious.

I don't think it exists, but you'd have to ask Cavs or fplii.

[Marchesk]

You're not factoring in the fact that there were much more possessions and opportunities to score back then.

I am. The thing is that nobody else in the high possession 60s came close to Wilt's 50 point season, other than Wilt. Balyor's best was 38.3 on 42.8% for only 48 games that same season. That's still about 24% difference.

So let's put Wilt at 32 ppg. That would mean Baylor would have been at 24.3, on a shortened season. Bellamy would be around 21 ppg.

[oarabbus]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371556


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[24-Inch_Chrome]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371556

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[3ball]

Out of all the all-time greats, there's only two guys that can get 55 points using their JJ Redick, catch-and-shoot game exclusively - Jordan and Bird.

There's only two all-time greats that could get 54 points on all jumpers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoVMIZWS_-A) against perhaps the best defense of all time - Jordan and Bird.

The offensive repertoires of Bird and Jordan are heads and shoulders above everyone else's.. Even Kobe is a level or two below - he just couldn't score as smartly as those two.

Also, today's best players are only elite in one or two areas of scoring - accordingly, when the other team starts concentrating on stopping these areas, they get frustrated and can't perform at the same high level.

But Jordan and Bird never got flustered when the other team started to concentrate their a certain part of their game, because they could get 50+ any way they needed to.. :confusedshrug:

[aj1987]

32 ppg on +9.2% over league average shooting in a 93.9 pace season? Yes, that is the GOAT scoring regular season. Quite easily as well.
Yeah, he's not a better scorer than Kobe, MJ, and LeBron. He's a better shooter, but he's not a better scorer.

LeBron in this 3rd year at 21 put up 31.4 PPG on +3.2% efficiency (compared to the league average) on a team which had a pace of 89.8. Again, at age 21.

MJ averaged 32.5 PPG on +6.7% efficiency on a team which had a pace of 97. Oh, and he averaged 34.8 PPG that post season on 60% TS. That's not his best scoring season, BTW.