Wilt scored 73 points against this guy:

[CavaliersFTW]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSYtYGYxBFk

[dubeta]

Nice, but could he make todays NBA? I think not.

[navy]

Did he win the game?

[coin24]

Did he miss all his ft's and suck 10 c0cks after the game?

[Marchesk]

Nice, but could he make todays NBA? I think not.

Perkins would keep Kareem on the bench.

[LAZERUSS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSYtYGYxBFk

In his first 20 straight H2H games with that 6-11 HOFer (who would measure over 7-0 in today's NBA)...Chamberlain averaged...get this... 48.2 ppg...COMBINED. THREE games of 60+, and a plethora of 50+ point games.

A PEAK Kareem's high game against the same guy...41 points, followed by a game of 39, and then 35...in 25 H2H games.

FIVE games of 50+ against the 6-9 1/2 Russell, and world-ranked high-jumper, with a high of 62. BTW, Russell was the same exact height as DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard, Andre Drummond, and Demarcus Cousins.

Multiple 60+ point games against the likes of Imhoff, Fox, and Dierking. And yet a PEAK Kareem also faced those same centers, except they were on the downside of their careers, and never sniffed a 50 point game.

Or the multiple 50+ point games that Chamberlain hung on Willis Reed. A peak KAJ's high game against Reed... 41 points.

A prime "scoring" Chamberlain just slaughtered a prime Thurmond in the course of 13 straight games, with SIX games of 30+, including highs of 38 and 45 points. A PAK Kareem faced an aging full-time Nate in 35 H2H games, and had FIVE of 30+, with a high of 34. Oh, and Wilt had a season of 21 ppg on a .633 FG% against Thurmond. Kareem never approached that FG% in his seasonal H2H's with Nate. In fact, while Chamberlain shot over .540 against Thurmond (and held him to an unfathomable .360 career FG% against him)...KAJ's career FG% against a full-time Nate... .447.

The reality was, a prime Chamberlain was FAR more dominant against the same centers that a prime Kareem would also face a few years later.

[Jameerthefear]

I could put up 73 against that beanpole. Hand me the rock.

[LAZERUSS]

That 73 point game against Bellamy was played on 1/13/62, and in his 48 minutes, Wilt shot 29-48 from the field, 15-25 from the line, and pulled down 36 rebounds.

The very next night (obviously 1/14/62), and again playing 48 minutes, Chamberlain hung a 62 point on Russell. In that game, Wilt shot 27-45 from the floor, 8-10 from the line, and pulled down 28 rebounds.

In the course of two straight games, played back-to-back, and against two HOF centers (one of whom is widely acknowledged as the GOAT defensive player in NBA history)...Wilt averaged 67.5 ppg, 32.0 rpg, and shot .602 from the field, and .657 from the line.

[fiddy]

I could put up 73 against that beanpole. Hand me the rock.
http://i.livescience.com/images/i/000/008/552/i02/stone-phallus-101210-02.jpg
Might be too small for your A.

[dunksby]

Wilt nut huggers say Wilt crushed his matchup so bad, dominated teams so bad but when it comes to that domination translating to titles, everything becomes a team game. They will tell you Wilt scored 100 once, 60 numerous times and averaged 50 PPG for a season, they brag about him crushing his rivals and peers but when you asked them about his team failing it suddenly becomes about the team and his teammates are dragged through the mud. Funny how Wilt's teammate is the only guy to win FMVP on a losing side :facepalm :facepalm

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt nut huggers say Wilt crushed his matchup so bad, dominated teams so bad but when it comes to that domination translating to titles, everything becomes a team game. They will tell you Wilt scored 100 once, 60 numerous times and averaged 50 PPG for a season, they brag about him crushing his rivals and peers but when you asked them about his team failing it suddenly becomes about the team and his teammates are dragged through the mud. Funny how Wilt's teammate is the only guy to win FMVP on a losing side :facepalm :facepalm


You're a fan of Kareem. A peak to prime Kareem went to two Finals, and won one ring. In those 10 seasons, he had two teams lose in the first round, one with a huge HCA, and the other against a team with one borderline HOF player. He also played on two teams that missed the playoffs altogether.

How come? How come a PRIME Kareem could only win ONE ring?

And yes, he often CHOKED in his biggest games, or even series.

And how come he allowed MAGIC to win THREE FMVPs (including one in his ROOKIE season, and carrying his team, WithOUT Kareem to a clinching series road win, and with arguably one of the greatest playoff games of all-time)? How come a shell of a Kareem gets credit for a ring in '88? Hell, even in '87 the Lakers were so talented that a "third-wheel" Kareem won yet another ring. How come? And what happened in the '89 Finals, when Magic was injured? Oh, a sweeping loss. That pretty much sums up Kareem's career with MAGIC. Hell, the season after KAJ retired, the Lakers IMPROVED. The season after Magic "retired", they plummetted back to where they were with Kareem, and pre-Magic.

GTFO...

[Psileas]

Well, so did Kareem, to be fair.


No?

[warriorfan]

http://i.livescience.com/images/i/000/008/552/i02/stone-phallus-101210-02.jpg
Might be too small for your A.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Well, so did Kareem, to be fair.


No?

Well, very close. A PEAK Kareem managed to score within 32 points of that against Bellamy.

Good point.

[BlakFrankWhite]

That 73 point game against Bellamy was played on 1/13/62, and in his 48 minutes, Wilt shot 29-48 from the field, 15-25 from the line, and pulled down 36 rebounds.

The very next night (obviously 1/14/62), and again playing 48 minutes, Chamberlain hung a 62 point on Russell. In that game, Wilt shot 27-45 from the floor, 8-10 from the line, and pulled down 28 rebounds.

In the course of two straight games, played back-to-back, and against two HOF centers (one of whom is widely acknowledged as the GOAT defensive player in NBA history)...Wilt averaged 67.5 ppg, 32.0 rpg, and shot .602 from the field, and .657 from the line.

Big deal...Westbrook got 3 consecutive 40 point triple double....including two back-to-back.

Westbrook>betamaster Wilt

[LAZERUSS]

Big deal...Westbrook got 3 consecutive 40 point triple double....including two back-to-back.

Westbrook>betamaster Wilt

And one of them was probably a 53 point, on 24-29 shooting from the floor, 32 rebound, 14 assist game, with an estimated 24 blocks and 11 steals, too, I bet, right?

And, of course, Westbrick also posted NINE Trips in a row, too, right?

Yep...that would indeed put him on par with Chamberlain.

[coin24]

Wilt sliding down the all time list faster than he went down on magic

[stanlove1111]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSYtYGYxBFk

So Wilt shot a ton in a game against Bellamy so he scored a ton. Big deal.

He shot 48 times from field and shot 25 FT attempts. That probably mean he got fouled while shooting maybe 8 times. So in reality he shot about 55 times in that game. Why do you fail to see the connection. Its not like baseball where they all get basically the same at bats.


What the most shots Jabbar ever took against Bellamy?

[Dro]

In his first 20 straight H2H games with that 6-11 HOFer (who would measure over 7-0 in today's NBA)...Chamberlain averaged...get this... 48.2 ppg...COMBINED. THREE games of 60+, and a plethora of 50+ point games.

A PEAK Kareem's high game against the same guy...41 points, followed by a game of 39, and then 35...in 25 H2H games.

FIVE games of 50+ against the 6-9 1/2 Russell, and world-ranked high-jumper, with a high of 62. BTW, Russell was the same exact height as DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard, Andre Drummond, and Demarcus Cousins.

Multiple 60+ point games against the likes of Imhoff, Fox, and Dierking. And yet a PEAK Kareem also faced those same centers, except they were on the downside of their careers, and never sniffed a 50 point game.

Or the multiple 50+ point games that Chamberlain hung on Willis Reed. A peak KAJ's high game against Reed... 41 points.

A prime "scoring" Chamberlain just slaughtered a prime Thurmond in the course of 13 straight games, with SIX games of 30+, including highs of 38 and 45 points. A PAK Kareem faced an aging full-time Nate in 35 H2H games, and had FIVE of 30+, with a high of 34. Oh, and Wilt had a season of 21 ppg on a .633 FG% against Thurmond. Kareem never approached that FG% in his seasonal H2H's with Nate. In fact, while Chamberlain shot over .540 against Thurmond (and held him to an unfathomable .360 career FG% against him)...KAJ's career FG% against a full-time Nate... .447.

The reality was, a prime Chamberlain was FAR more dominant against the same centers that a prime Kareem would also face a few years later.
:applause:

[LAZERUSS]

So Wilt shot a ton in a game against Bellamy so he scored a ton. Big deal.

He shot 48 times from field and shot 25 FT attempts. That probably mean he got fouled while shooting maybe 8 times. So in reality he shot about 55 times in that game. Why do you fail to see the connection. Its not like baseball where they all get basically the same at bats.


What the most shots Jabbar ever took against Bellamy?

I'll give you a better answer later on when I have more time...but I do know that Wilt had a 35 point game against Bellamy in which he shot 15-18 from the floor, and a 34 point game against him, in which he shot 14-14 from the floor against him.

[comerb]

Everytime I watch one of these older clips the thing the sticks out the most to me is how absolutely atrocious defense was.

[k0kakw0rld]

Did he miss all his ft's and suck 10 c0cks after the game?
The man holds the record for most women under his belt. :bowdown:
Friendly advice, do not confuse your life to his, thanks.

[LAZERUSS]

So Wilt shot a ton in a game against Bellamy so he scored a ton. Big deal.

He shot 48 times from field and shot 25 FT attempts. That probably mean he got fouled while shooting maybe 8 times. So in reality he shot about 55 times in that game. Why do you fail to see the connection. Its not like baseball where they all get basically the same at bats.


What the most shots Jabbar ever took against Bellamy?


Ok, here we go...

In 24 career H2H games with Bellamy, Kareem's three highest scoring games were 40, 39, and 35 points. He also had three more of 33 points, and another 32 point game...or a total of seven games of 30+ against Bellamy.

Here were Kareem's 3 highest scoring stat-lines against Bellamy:

1. 40 points, on 16-24 FG/FGA, and 8-12 FT/FTA, 13 rebounds, 3 assists.

2. 39 points on 18-27 FG/FGA, 3-4 FT/FTA, 4 rebounds, 5 assists.

3. 35 points on 16-27 FG/FGA, 3-4 FT/FTA, 8 rebounds, 6 assists.


Wilt and Bellamy went H2H in 90 regular season games, and 10 more playoff games. Chamberlain had 20 games of 40+, which included 14 of 50+, 3 of 60+, and his high game of 73.

Here were some of his better games:

1. 73 points, on 29-48 FG/FGA, 15-25 FT/FTA, 36 rebounds, 0 assists

2. 61 points, on 28-48 FG/FGA, 5-10 FT/FTA, 36 rebounds, 0 assists

3. 54 points, on 21-31 FG/FGA, 12-15 FT/FTA, 27 rebounds, 7 assists

4. 51 points, on 20-31 FG/FGA, 10-21 FT/FTA, 22 rebounds, unknown assists

5. 40 points, on 16-26 FG/FGA, 8-11 FT/FTA, 18 rbounds, 2 assists

6. 51 points on 23-35 FG/FGA, 5-9 FT/FTA, 20 rebounds, 2 assists

7. 38 points, on 18-27 FG/FGA, 2-8 FT/FTA, 13 rebounds, 1 assist

8. 37 points, on 16-22 FG/FGA, 5-9 FT/FTA, 23 rebounds, 6 assists

9. 35 points, on 15-18 FG/FGA, 5-17 FT/FTA, 33 rbounds, 4 assists

10. 39 points, on 17-26 FG/FGA, 5-8 FT/FTA, 20 rebounds, 6 assists

11. 37 points, on 17-29 FG/FGA, 3-5 FT/FTA, 29 rebounds, 7 assists (PO )

12. 34 points, on 14-14 FG/FGA, 6-9 FT/FTA, 27 rebounds, 7 assists

Keep in mind that Chamberlain shot over 50% from the floor in many of his other 40-50-60 point games, and he also had many games of 20+ in which he shot 70%+ from the floor against him, as well.

I just wanted to give you some comparable games...

[warriorfan]

Wilt sliding down the all time list faster than he went down on magic


who knows about wilt but magic was gay, you only get aids from fuccing dudes

[dankok8]

LAZERUSS just threw a wrench into his own "Wilt dominated his peers more than anyone else" theory. I mean yes Wilt put up insane volume stats but look at those shot attempts!! :eek:

I have always said Wilt's 50 ppg season and to a lesser extent his other peak scoring seasons are more of a testament to his stamina than his scoring ability. It is extremely impressive don't get me wrong but it doesn't make him by far the greatest scorer ever! If Kareem or Shaq took that many shots (assuming they could without breaking down...) they could score just as many points. Kareem's career high in FGA for a single game is 39... Wilt had an entire season averaging 39.5 FGA. In each of his 7 scoring seasons (including 1965 and 1966 when he actually averaged fewer points than 1972 Kareem...) Wilt put up more shots per game than 1972 Kareem. Just to put things in context.

[Asukal]

LAZERUSS just threw a wrench into his own "Wilt dominated his peers more than anyone else" theory. I mean yes Wilt put up insane volume stats but look at those shot attempts!! :eek:

I have always said Wilt's 50 ppg season and to a lesser extent his other peak scoring seasons are more of a testament to his stamina than his scoring ability. It is extremely impressive don't get me wrong but it doesn't make him by far the greatest scorer ever! If Kareem or Shaq took that many shots (assuming they could without breaking down...) they could score just as many points. Kareem's career high in FGA for a single game is 39... Wilt had an entire season averaging 39.5 FGA. In each of his 7 scoring seasons (including 1965 and 1966 when he actually averaged fewer points than 1972 Kareem...) Wilt put up more shots per game than 1972 Kareem. Just to put things in context.

Did anybody from that era even called him out for it? I mean if I was watching live and saw him take all those shots, I'd be pissed and yell at him. 39 FGA is ridiculous ballhogging, his team mates can't play effectively without getting any touches. :facepalm

[oarabbus]

who knows about wilt but magic was gay, you only get aids from fuccing dudes


:roll: I hope for your sake you're joking and not really that dumb

[CavaliersFTW]

Did anybody from that era even called him out for it? I mean if I was watching live and saw him take all those shots, I'd be pissed and yell at him. 39 FGA is ridiculous ballhogging, his team mates can't play effectively without getting any touches. :facepalm
:oldlol:

A center, a guy that has to receive an entry pass from his guard to even touch the basketball, called a ballhog? Really?

[Jameerthefear]

who knows about wilt but magic was gay, you only get aids from fuccing dudes
wow u really are this ****ing stupid

[Psileas]

LAZERUSS just threw a wrench into his own "Wilt dominated his peers more than anyone else" theory. I mean yes Wilt put up insane volume stats but look at those shot attempts!!

29.5 of them, to be exact...but at a 66% clip. That's big volume, but ridiculous efficiency. There's no sense in trying to downplay these performances in any way.
His 73-pointer was a 29-48 FG game, so, again, it's far from just "wow, he just took lots of shots".

[Psileas]

:roll: I hope for your sake you're joking and not really that dumb

Someone in a Wilt thread is joking...? That's news to me...

[LAZERUSS]

LAZERUSS just threw a wrench into his own "Wilt dominated his peers more than anyone else" theory. I mean yes Wilt put up insane volume stats but look at those shot attempts!! :eek:

I have always said Wilt's 50 ppg season and to a lesser extent his other peak scoring seasons are more of a testament to his stamina than his scoring ability. It is extremely impressive don't get me wrong but it doesn't make him by far the greatest scorer ever! If Kareem or Shaq took that many shots (assuming they could without breaking down...) they could score just as many points. Kareem's career high in FGA for a single game is 39... Wilt had an entire season averaging 39.5 FGA. In each of his 7 scoring seasons (including 1965 and 1966 when he actually averaged fewer points than 1972 Kareem...) Wilt put up more shots per game than 1972 Kareem. Just to put things in context.

Interesting, though,...the more Kareem shot, the worse he shot. Kareem averaged 32 FGAs against Wilt in the '72 WCF's..and shot .457, including a horrific .414 in the last four games of that series.

Wilt gets ripped for taking 40 FGAs per game in a season, when it was his COACH's idea. And why? Because in the '61 playoffs, Wilt's teammates collectively shot .332 from the field. His three "HOF" teammates (Gola and Rodgers have as much business being in the HOF as I do)...shot: Arizin .325, Rodgers .368 (which was likely his BEST post-season), and Gola... .206 (which was slightly below his career playoff average of .336.)

And not only did Wilt average 50 ppg that season, he did so on a .506 FG%. At first glance that is not overly remarkable...until you factor in that the league average was at .426. And the next season he averaged 44.8 ppg on a .528 FG%, in a league that shot .441. In his '66 season, he averaged 33.5 ppg on a .540 FG%, in a league that shot .433. And of course, in his '67 season he averaged 24.1 ppg on a .683 FG%, in a league that shot .441.

For efficiency...how about that '67 season?

He averaged 20.8 ppg on a .633 FG% against a peak Thurmond (while holding a 13.2 ppg on a .308 FG%.)

How about against Russell, the GOAT defensive center...

20.7 ppg on a .549 FG% (and then 21.6 ppg on a .556 FG% in the EDF"s.)

Oh, and since this topic involves Bellamy...

True, for one of the very seasons in their long career H2H's, Bellamy outscored Wilt...albeit by a 23.2 ppg to 22.7 ppg margin. HOWEVER, Chamberlain outshot Bellamy from the field by a staggering .709 to .449 margin.

Oh, Chamberlain just slaughtered them all in rpg.

In any case, only one player in NBA history has proven to be capable of repeatedly scoring on a high efficiency while taking 30 FGAs per game...and of course, that was Wilt.

Th reality was, all other players just plain tired out, and none could sustain that pace. And, of course, Chamberlain was also dominating defensively and crushing his peers on the glass, as well.

[deja vu]

For all of Wilt's statistical dominance he can only muster 2 rings (1 in his prime).

Inb4 blaming his teammates. :lol

[LAZERUSS]

For all of Wilt's statistical dominance he can only muster 2 rings (1 in his prime).

Inb4 blaming his teammates. :lol

Jordan didn't even get to the Finals, and had a losing playoff record, until he had the best supporting casts in the league.

A PRIME Kareem went to two Finals, and won ONE ring in his first ten seasons (and before Magic carried him to five more.) Hell, he had two teams that were eliminated in the first round in that span, one that was a huge favorite, and the other got blown out against a team with one borderline HOF player (Dennis Johnson.) Oh, and he had two teams that didn't even make the playoffs. How come? Did he suddenly become more dominant by being a second-third, and even fifth wheel?

Chamberlain dragged pathetic-roster-after-pathetic roster to near titles. He played on teams that lost five game seven's to the eventual champions, including four by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2 points.

And, as none other than John Wooden claimed...had Wilt swapped rosters (and coaches) with Russell, and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.

[stanlove1111]

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And, as none other than John Wooden claimed...had Wilt swapped rosters (and coaches) with Russell, and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.


When did Wooden say that?

[coin24]

For all of Wilt's statistical dominance he can only muster 2 rings (1 in his prime).

Inb4 blaming his teammates. :lol


Wilt could only win as a role player, he's in that pippen, Lebran category. They can only win with a real alpha leading them on the team:cheers:

[LAZERUSS]

When did Wooden say that?

Page 147 in his autobiography... "They Call Me Coach."

[CavaliersFTW]

Wilt could only win as a role player, he's in that pippen, Lebran category. They can only win with a real alpha leading them on the team:cheers:
24ppg 24rpg 8apg on 70% shooting

That role player looks more dominant that peak Shaq.

[LAZERUSS]

24ppg 24rpg 8apg on 70% shooting

That role player looks more dominant that peak Shaq.

How about THIS dominance in that season...


nbastats.net has provided us with even more information since I last posted in this thread, so I will update each season.

But, just for starters...Wilt's 66-67 season.


Bellamy vs Wilt in 9 regular season H2H's...

Bellamy: 23.2 ppg (all 9 games), 15.9 rpg (8 known games), 3.1 apg (8 known games), .449 FG% (62-138 in 7 known games)

Wilt: 22.7 ppg, 25.7 rpg, 6.3 apg, .709 FG%

In one of the few seasons in their long career battles, Bellamy managed to outscore Wilt. Still, Wilt held a 5-3-1 game-by-game margin. Bellamy had 6 games of 20+, including a high of 34. Chamberlain also had 6 games of 20+, with a high of 35.

As always, Wilt slaughtered Bellamy on the glass. Overall, Chamberlain held an 8-0 margin (1 game unknown for Bellamy.) And in some Wilt crushed Walter (margins of 28-14, 28-17, 28-17, 33-17, and 30-9.) Bellamy's high game was 20, while Wilt had games of 28, 28, 28, 30, and 33.

Bellamy had finished behind Wilt during the regular season in FG% (.683 to .521), but again, Wilt just massacred him H2H by a staggering .709 to .449 mark. Chamberlain had two games of 12-14 and 15-18 against Bells.



Thurmond vs Wilt in 6 regular season H2H's.

Nate: 13.2 ppg, 22.7 rpg, 3.0 apg, .308 FG% (3 known games)
Wilt: 20.8 ppg, 25.0 rpg, 8.5 apg, and on a .633 FG%.

Overall, Wilt a 5-0-1 margin in H2H scoring games. Nate's high game against Wilt was 21 points, while Chamberlain had three games of 20+ against Nate (23, 27, and 30 points.)

Chamberlain also held a 3-2-1 rebounding margin. Nate's high games were 26 and 29, while Wilt's high games were 26, 26, 26, and 31.

Wilt, as always, just annihilated Thurmond in H2H FG% (his career margin was .542 to .360 BTW.) In one of their 66-67 H2H's, Wilt shot 13-18. BTW, in that same game, Wilt had a QUAD double (30-26-13-12.)



Thurmond vs Wilt in their six game Finals:

Nate: 14.3 ppg, 26.7 rpg, 3.3 apg, and on a .343 FG%.
Wilt: 17.5 ppg, 28.5 rpg, 6.8 apg, and on a .560 FG%.

Wilt outscored Nate, 5-1; outrebounded Nate, 5-1; outassisted Nate, 5-1; and outshot Thurmond from the floor in all six games.

In the clinching game six win, Wilt outscored Thurmond, 24-12; outrebounded Nate, 23-22; and outshot Thurmond, 8-13 to 4-13. nate did hold a 5-4 margin in assists.

BTW, Wilt also had a KNOWN QUAD double in that series (10-38-10-10.)



Russell vs Wilt in 9 regular season H2H's:

Russell: 12.2 ppg, 21.1 rpg, 4.1 apg, and on a .425 FG%.
Wilt: 20.3 ppg, 26.7 rpg, 6.6 apg, .549 FG%.

Overall, Wilt held a 8-1 scoring margin. Included were margins of 24-11, 26-4, and 30-10. Russell's high game was 22 points. Wilt had 4 games of 20+, with a high of 30.

Chamberlain also held a 7-2 rebounding margin. Russell's high games were 26 and 29. Meanwhile, Wilt had high games of 28, 28, and 31.

Wilt outassisted Russell by a 5-0-4 margin. Russell's high game was 5, while Wilt's high games were 8, 9, 9, and 10.

Oh, and Wilt had a high game of 13 blocks. Russell's high block game was 4.


Russell vs Wilt in their 5 EDF games:

Russell: 10.2 ppg, 23.4 rpg, 6.0 apg, .358 FG%
Wilt: 21.6 ppg, 32.0 rpg, 10.0 apg, and on a .556 FG%.

Wilt outscored Russell 5-0; outrebounded Russell, 4-1; outassisted Russell, 3-0-2; and outshot Russell from the floor by a 5-0 margin.

Russell's high scoring game was 20 points. His high rebounding game was 29. And his high assist game was 9.

Chamberlain's high scoring games were 24 and 29. His high rebounding games were 29, 32, 36, and 41 (NBA playoff record.)

Wilt's high assist games were 9, 10, 13, and 13.

Chamberlain had THREE Triple-Double games, including a known QUAD double game (games of 24-32-13-12, 20-22-10, and 29-36-13.

In the clinching series game, Wilt outscored Russell, 29-4; outrebounded Russell, 36-21; outassisted Russell, 13-7; and outshot Russell from the floor, 10-16 to 2-5. He also had seven blocked shots.

Incidently, in their known blocks for that series, Chamberlain held a 29-8 margin.

He just CRUSHED his HOF peers that season.

[dankok8]

LAZERUSS again...

Wilt had great stamina. I'm not sure (in fact I doubt that...) Kareem let alone Shaq could play 48 minutes a game and take 40 shots per game for an entire season without breaking down. It is an incredible feat no doubt!

However I don't think Wilt is the most devastating scorer ever as far as having the best combination of volume and efficiency. While Wilt has the four highest seasons as far as PPG average he also has the five highest seasons in both field goal attempts and free throw attempts. Let's not forget that.

If we compare seasons with similar FGA and FTA, Kareem has an efficiency edge over Wilt.



65-66 Wilt: 33.5 ppg on 54.0 %FG (25.2 attempts), 51.3 %FT (12.4 attempts) ==> 54.7 %TS

71-72 Kareem: 34.8 ppg on 57.4 %FG (24.9 attempts), 68.9 %FT (9.0 attempts) ==> 60.3 %TS



66-67 Wilt: 24.1 ppg on 68.3 %FG (14.2 attempts), 44.1 %FT (10.8 attempts) ==> 63.7 %TS

79-80 Kareem: 24.8 ppg on 60.4 %FG (16.9 attempts), 76.5 %FT (5.8 attempts) ==> 63.9 %TS


For Wilt's 61-62 and 62-63 campaigns we have nothing to compare from Kareem's career. The closest we have is an 18-game stretch where Jabbar averaged 39.9 ppg on 59.8% shooting.

[LAZERUSS]

LAZERUSS again...

Wilt had great stamina. I'm not sure (in fact I doubt that...) Kareem let alone Shaq could play 48 minutes a game and take 40 shots per game for an entire season without breaking down. It is an incredible feat no doubt!

However I don't think Wilt is the most devastating scorer ever as far as having the best combination of volume and efficiency. While Wilt has the four highest seasons as far as PPG average he also has the five highest seasons in both field goal attempts and free throw attempts. Let's not forget that.

If we compare seasons with similar FGA and FTA, Kareem has an efficiency edge over Wilt.



65-66 Wilt: 33.5 ppg on 54.0 %FG (25.2 attempts), 51.3 %FT (12.4 attempts) ==> 54.7 %TS

71-72 Kareem: 34.8 ppg on 57.4 %FG (24.9 attempts), 68.9 %FT (9.0 attempts) ==> 60.3 %TS



66-67 Wilt: 24.1 ppg on 68.3 %FG (14.2 attempts), 44.1 %FT (10.8 attempts) ==> 63.7 %TS

79-80 Kareem: 24.8 ppg on 60.4 %FG (16.9 attempts), 76.5 %FT (5.8 attempts) ==> 63.9 %TS


For Wilt's 61-62 and 62-63 campaigns we have nothing to compare from Kareem's career. The closest we have is an 18-game stretch where Jabbar averaged 39.9 ppg on 59.8% shooting.

First of all, I agree that Kareem was the only player that could rival Chamberlain in terms of pure dominance.

However, and as always, you fail to include LEAGUE AVERAGES.

But, Chamberlain had amazing stretches, as well.

Incidently, I just glanced at Wilt's last 20 straight games in his 62-63 season (which is missing FGAs in three of them.) 42.2 ppg on a .563 FG%.

I'm sure if I spent the time, I could come up with other staggering stat-lines, as well.

And, both Wilt and Kareem benefitted from FT rules (Wilt for his entire career, and Kareem in his prime.) The bonus FTs actually increased Wilt's EFFECTIVE FT% shooting considerably more than his ACTUAL FT%. Wilt more than Kareem simply because he was fouled far more in his career. Keep in mind that Kareem averaged 335 MADE FTs per season, and Chamberlain was at 432.

Wilt also was a much better rebounder, a much better defender, and a much better shot-blocker (which actually detracts from TRB% BTW.)

[BigNBAfan]

A highlight reel could make kwame look good... GTFO of here

[sd3035]

A highlight reel could make kwame look good... GTFO of here
A Kwame mix would definitely look good if one viewed it immediately after a Wilt "highlight" reel

[dankok8]

First of all, I agree that Kareem was the only player that could rival Chamberlain in terms of pure dominance.

However, and as always, you fail to include LEAGUE AVERAGES.

But, Chamberlain had amazing stretches, as well.

Incidently, I just glanced at Wilt's last 20 straight games in his 62-63 season (which is missing FGAs in three of them.) 42.2 ppg on a .563 FG%.

I'm sure if I spent the time, I could come up with other staggering stat-lines, as well.

And, both Wilt and Kareem benefitted from FT rules (Wilt for his entire career, and Kareem in his prime.) The bonus FTs actually increased Wilt's EFFECTIVE FT% shooting considerably more than his ACTUAL FT%. Wilt more than Kareem simply because he was fouled far more in his career. Keep in mind that Kareem averaged 335 MADE FTs per season, and Chamberlain was at 432.

Wilt also was a much better rebounder, a much better defender, and a much better shot-blocker (which actually detracts from TRB% BTW.)

I only included the stretch because we don't have any Kareem season where he took enough shots to compare to Wilt from 1961-1963.

Why does the FT rule matter? In today's league both guys would shoot their free throws like everyone else. Bottom line is Wilt made 50% of his while Kareem made 70% of his. It's a massive difference. Free throw line was Wilt's major weakness and it's something teams exploited back then and something that teams would exploit now.

"much better" is a huge exaggeration. Wilt was a better rebounder than Kareem but in their 28 H2H battles they went 14-14 and Wilt only outrebounded Kareem slightly overall. Chamberlain is in that GOAT rebounder discussion (with Russell, Moses, and Rodman) while Kareem is in the group right after that. I'd give Wilt a slight edge but there is no indication that Wilt would destroy Kareem on the glass. Especially when 300+ lbs Wilt who focused on defense and rebounding against a frail 225 lbs Kareem still couldn't kill him on the glass. 1-2 boards a game difference is really nothing so significant.

Defensively they are pretty even. Kareem from 1970-1974 was a monster on defense with Bucks leading the league in opponent FG% and then with LA from 1976-1980 as well. Wilt was the superior shotblocker but Kareem was a better help defender and covered more ground.

Kareem loses a lot of ground in rebounding and defensive comparisons in general because his "soft" reputation in the mid and late 80's is what wins over in people's minds. Even those watching the NBA since the 60's tend to remember old Kareem more than 70's Kareem who was outrebounding and shutting down guys like Hayes, Thurmond, Unseld, Cowens, Lanier, Walton etc like it was nobody's business.

[KungFuJoe]

Anybody who thinks shooting more automatically equates to scoring more (at the same efficiency) is an idiot.