The Muslims Needs their own Martin Luther.

[Lebron23]

Martin Luther started his own religion in the 1600's. And he reformed Christianity. I think if we remove the violence from their religion. I actually think it's a good religion.

The Islamic religion really needs its own Reformation. I think it's time to remove the old beliefs, and replace it with modern beliefs.

[Jailblazers7]

My guess is that there have been a bunch of them in recent history but they were all killed pretty quickly.

[pauk]

There is no violence in Islam and it is a great religion, there is however humans who have a screw loose like ISIS... Islam cant save those people, they are deemed "Kafir" by Islam/Muslims, the term refers to a person who rejects or disbelieves in god or who hides, denies, violates or indoctrinates the Islamic version of truth.... thats why they create their own death cult version of it to fit their agendas/needs/goals and murder anybody who opposes (including muslims, especially muslims) and make a highlight out of it on twitter.... its the middle-easterns version of Satanism....

[Patrick Chewing]

Without a doubt.


But it's hard to reform a religion when the Supreme Leader of Iran shouts 'Death to America' every day. Death and destruction is embedded into their DNA.

[Raymone]

There is no violence in Islam

:oldlol:

Yeah, ISIS is clearly the exception.

[Siemens]

I was thinking MLK :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

:oldlol:

Yeah, ISIS is clearly the exception.


And except for Sharia Law. And when thousands get trampled on the way to the Hajj.

[pauk]

:oldlol:

Yeah, ISIS is clearly the exception.

That is not Islam, they are not muslims.... they are Kafir to ALL muslims (except for the 0.0001% that have as much of a screw loose as ISIS).... thats why they kill about 99.9% Muslims and thats why Muslims are at war with them....

That there is Islam only to ISIS and to people like YOU (islamophobs, racists, many ignorant americans or people who know nothing about Islam)... you are only doing them a favor....

[pauk]

So you have no idea what satanism is huh?

I see no difference in evil... its their version... and its even worse than Satanism....

[HitandRun Reggie]

"I have a bom......dream!"

[Raymone]

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html)

31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq. (http://www.people-press.org/2004/03/16/a-year-after-iraq-war/)

http://www.people-press.org/files/legacy/206-2.gif

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

[Patrick Chewing]

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html)

31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq. (http://www.people-press.org/2004/03/16/a-year-after-iraq-war/)

http://www.people-press.org/files/legacy/206-2.gif

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60


Lies! Or none of those polled are Muslims. In reality, there's only about 37 true Muslims in the world, Pauk being one of them.

[Droid101]

Without a doubt.


But it's hard to reform a religion when the Supreme Leader of Iran shouts 'Death to America' every day. Death and destruction is embedded into their DNA.
Uh, are you talking about their current president or their current Supreme Leader? And how recent were the quotes?

Citation needed here. I think your information is outdated.

[pauk]

God damn, i should just stick to the NBA forum/basketball talk really, im shocked by the amount of racists/nazists or ignorant douchebags in this department (really no difference) that reveal themselves, posters who i thought were awesome but yet proven to be these shallow guys.... and the admins who allows this shit....

Ok fine, you win.... you know more than me about Islam and im a muslim.... you win.... its evil... im evil... its all about violence.... you are a perfect human being... your religion is perfect, has no violence.... im evil... you are an angel.... i will kill yall and Kareem Abdul Jabbar is gona behead Kobe.... cool.... :confusedshrug:

[Patrick Chewing]

Uh, are you talking about their current president or their current Supreme Leader? And how recent were the quotes?

Citation needed here. I think your information is outdated.


Oh is it outdated now?

http://nypost.com/2015/03/23/irans-supreme-leader-screams-death-to-america-amid-ongoing-nuclear-talks/


I'm surprised you weren't on the pulse of how Iran feels about us. The Ayatollah just said this a couple of days ago amidst the country's negotiations with the U.S.

[Patrick Chewing]

God damn, i should just stick to the NBA forum/basketball talk really, im shocked by the amount of racists/nazists or ignorant douchebags in this department (really no difference) that reveal themselves, posters who i thought were awesome but yet proven to be these shallow guys.... and the admins who allows this shit....

Ok fine, you win.... you know more than me about Islam and im a muslim.... you win.... its evil... im evil... its all about violence.... you are a perfect human being... your religion is perfect, has no violence.... im evil... you are an angel.... i will kill yall and Kareem Abdul Jabbar is gona behead Kobe.... cool.... :confusedshrug:


Nice try at spinning this. We're just refuting your statement that Islam isn't evil. None of us have said anything racist or Nazi-ist, or ignorant at all. Just provided factual evidence on how the Islamic world feels about non-Muslims. I'm not sure why you even deny that there is a violent fervor deep in the heart of most Muslims. Even to the simplest form of violence, it's subjugation of its women.

[Raymone]

God damn, i should just stick to the NBA forum/basketball talk really, im shocked by the amount of racists/nazists or ignorant douchebags in this department (really no difference) that reveal themselves, posters who i thought were awesome but yet proven to be these shallow guys.... and the admins who allows this shit....

Ok fine, you win.... you know more than me about Islam and im a muslim.... you win.... its evil... im evil... its all about violence.... you are a perfect human being... your religion is perfect, has no violence.... im evil... you are an angel.... i will kill yall and Kareem Abdul Jabbar is gona behead Kobe.... cool.... :confusedshrug:

That's a strange reaction to polling statistics.

I don't have a religion, by the way. I (and most of the Western world) just know it's entirely false to say that violence is foreign to islam and islamic groups that employ violence are just extremely rare statistical outliers.

[Raymone]

I don't think you're in the ~30% that support suicide bombings, pauk.

[Giaodollo]

God damn, i should just stick to the NBA forum/basketball talk really, im shocked by the amount of racists/nazists or ignorant douchebags in this department (really no difference) that reveal themselves, posters who i thought were awesome but yet proven to be these shallow guys.... and the admins who allows this shit....

Ok fine, you win.... you know more than me about Islam and im a muslim.... you win.... its evil... im evil... its all about violence.... you are a perfect human being... your religion is perfect, has no violence.... im evil... you are an angel.... i will kill yall and Kareem Abdul Jabbar is gona behead Kobe.... cool.... :confusedshrug:

It is not about winnig or losing is about having a discussion and bringing up arguments and backing them up with facts. Your personal observation accounts for abouts 0.00000001001%. You can't think you'll persuade people by telling them how great islam is from your angle.

People bring up stats and your retort is to get mad.



Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

World Public Opinion: Attitude toward Osama bin Laden:
Egypt: 44% positive, 17% negative, and 25% mixed feelings
Indonesia: 14% positive, 26% negative, 21% mixed feelings (39% did not answer)
Pakistan: 25% positive, 15% negative, 26% mixed feelings (34% did not answer)
Morocco: 27% positive, 21% negative, 26% mixed feelings
Jordanians, Palestinians, Turks and Azerbaijanis. Jordanians combined for: 27% positive, 20 percent negative, and 27percent mixed feelings. (Palestinians 56% positive, 20% negative, 22 percent mixed feelings).
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/

WZB Berlin Social Science Center: 65% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia is more important than the law of the country they live in.
http://www.wzb.eu/en/research/migration-and-diversity/migration-and-integration/projects/six-country-immigrant-integration-comparat
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism

Center for Social Cohesion: 40% of British Muslim students want Sharia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf

ICM Poll: 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

GfK NOP: 28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf

NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm

https://i.imgur.com/NQXQ7RV.jpg

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[pauk]

Nice try at spinning this. We're just refuting your statement that Islam isn't evil. None of us have said anything racist or Nazi-ist, or ignorant at all. Just provided factual evidence on how the Islamic world feels about non-Muslims. I'm not sure why you even deny that there is a violent fervor deep in the heart of most Muslims. Even to the simplest form of violence, it's subjugation of its women.

Please Patrick, i have read all of your comments on this subject, you have been the least objective person & the biggest islamophob alongside 9erempire.... i can guarantee that if i showed you all the stuff in the world to why you are so wrong and why you are just some ignorant islamophobs you would still try to retaliate otherwise, because thats what you have been doing so far.... you have zero objectivity, so how can i try have a conversation with you? There is no point, im just wasting my time...

Just know one thing.... i think i saw a couple of times where you called yourself a christian i believe? If you research Christianity (a beautiful religion aswell) a bit more you will eventually notice that condemning another religion or people or country or race is atrocious and infact hypothetically makes you not a true Christian no matter how hard you try........ See, you are a Christian / Muslim / Jew only from the heart / soul, its not simply about the technical stuff, its about everything, especially your behaviour.... which for you is not very beautiful and you know it....

[HitandRun Reggie]

God damn, i should just stick to the NBA forum/basketball talk really, im shocked by the amount of racists/nazists or ignorant douchebags in this department (really no difference) that reveal themselves, posters who i thought were awesome but yet proven to be these shallow guys.... and the admins who allows this shit....

Ok fine, you win.... you know more than me about Islam and im a muslim.... you win.... its evil... im evil... its all about violence.... you are a perfect human being... your religion is perfect, has no violence.... im evil... you are an angel.... i will kill yall and Kareem Abdul Jabbar is gona behead Kobe.... cool.... :confusedshrug:

http://crocodilian.com/cnhc/images/!cbd-faq-croctears.jpg

These guys always play the victim but when violence is committed in the name of Islam, they always say they know it's wrong but it's other people's fault that triggered the violence. Violence built on the back of sympathizers and enablers.

[pauk]

It is not about winnig or losing is about having a discussion and bringing up arguments and backing them up with facts. Your personal observation accounts for abouts 0.00000001001%. You can't think you'll persuade people by telling them how great islam is from your angle.

People bring up stats and your retort is to get mad.



Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

World Public Opinion: Attitude toward Osama bin Laden:
Egypt: 44% positive, 17% negative, and 25% mixed feelings
Indonesia: 14% positive, 26% negative, 21% mixed feelings (39% did not answer)
Pakistan: 25% positive, 15% negative, 26% mixed feelings (34% did not answer)
Morocco: 27% positive, 21% negative, 26% mixed feelings
Jordanians, Palestinians, Turks and Azerbaijanis. Jordanians combined for: 27% positive, 20 percent negative, and 27percent mixed feelings. (Palestinians 56% positive, 20% negative, 22 percent mixed feelings).
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/

WZB Berlin Social Science Center: 65% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia is more important than the law of the country they live in.
http://www.wzb.eu/en/research/migration-and-diversity/migration-and-integration/projects/six-country-immigrant-integration-comparat
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism

Center for Social Cohesion: 40% of British Muslim students want Sharia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf

ICM Poll: 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

GfK NOP: 28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf

NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm

https://i.imgur.com/NQXQ7RV.jpg

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What the hell does this have to do with religion/islam? What you show there is just polls of pure LOGIC from HUMANS in or from countries that have been raped by either Americans or Extremists and so on...... If Arabs controlled & violated USA like USA controlled & violated some Arab countries many Americans would feel some type of retaliation is justifiable? Dont you think?

Those people answer those questions as HUMANS from those specific countries, not as MUSLIMS.... they didnt look into the Koran to see if any of it justifiable, neither are they representatives of Islam......

There is an endless amount of polls to what you showed up there from non-muslims & non-americans..... who feel the same exact way about America.... you guys are not so beloved.... Want to see???

[Giaodollo]

How'd they get those figures?

Did they extrapolate the results of a few people into a billion people?
Did they poll a billion people?
Or did they pull them out their ass?
I am currently sitting on a train with very low internet speed and I copied those from a website. Me personally have only had good experience with Muslims and as a whole people from the Middle East so I was shocked when I saw these numbers. But as I am no authority figure neither is Pauk out personal views do not have a lot of trust in it. This doesn't change how I treat a Muslim or anything but it is rather interesting with surveys all showing alarming rate of second generation Muslims in west supporting what their parents ran away from.

I do not believe Islam is a terrorist religion, a death religion or other discriminatory views held by ignorant people.

As for the sample size. A good sample size is good at 600-1000 people. This isn't all of Islam surveyed it is in some people under 26 in uk for example.

We did a sample on the election result by randomly picking out 500 people and came in within 3% of ever political party in the city we asked. In this city there was almost a million voters.

[pauk]

Hell at this very moment i live next to neighbours here (Serbs/Serbia) who ALL hate America more than anybody on this earth, every single one, trust me, they think any type of violence against America is justifiable.... for very logical reasons (do your research of 90s balkan conflict and you will understand)....

..and they are Christians (Orthodox Christians), why the **** does that matter? This has nothing to do with religion.... but yet if they were Muslims you would blame it on Islam.... right? :rolleyes:

[Giaodollo]

What the hell does this have to do with religion/islam? What you show there is just polls of pure LOGIC from HUMANS in or from countries that have been raped by either Americans or Extremists and so on...... If Arabs controlled & violated USA like USA controlled & violated some Arab countries many Americans would feel some type of retaliation is justifiable? Dont you think?

Those people answer those questions as HUMANS from those specific countries, not as MUSLIMS.... they didnt look into the Koran to see if any of it justifiable, neither are they representatives of Islam......

There is an endless amount of polls to what you showed up there from non-muslims & non-americans..... who feel the same exact way about America.... you guys are not so beloved.... Want to see???
What does that have to do with supporting suicide bombings, death penalty for leaving Islam, death for adultery, or wanting sharia? Nothing to do with the hate for America, sir.

[Bosnian Sajo]

MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/

WZB Berlin Social Science Center: 65% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia is more important than the law of the country they live in.
http://www.wzb.eu/en/research/migration-and-diversity/migration-and-integration/projects/six-country-immigrant-integration-comparat
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism
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I'm calling complete and utter bullshit. 65% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia law is more important than the law of the country they live in...65% of what, 100 people? Sure. But most muslims in Europe live in the east (Turkey, Bosnia, Albania, etc.)...have you ever been to any of these places? Not many religious people. All the "muslims" drink, **** different girls left and right, have music blaaasting all night in the diskoteke, but you expect me to believe that ****ing 65% of them want Sharia law? The thing that would end all of that partying? Give me a breaaaaak, **** *****.

Here's a stat...72% of Americans believe that black people are more dangerous than white people. Bet that if I put that up on some dumb blog people would be quoting me just like you are quoting some random douches and post it up on some other message board.

[Bosnian Sajo]

You know what's really funny though? Most of the people posting on this very thread know more about Islam (albeit biased and wrong opinions) than the actual "Muslims" in Europe. Most of those fools don't even know how to recite el fatiha, let aloneee know wtf sharia law is and want it implemented into society.

[Giaodollo]

Poll results for an election in one country is much more easily and reasonably extrapolated than poll results for the beliefs of people in different cultures all over the world


American muslims are generally cool as shit
Muslims in some buttfvk shit hole are probably pretty shitty

Muslim has little to do with it, it's their environment

It just so happens a large number of Muslims live in shitty places
You are right I guess and I agree a lot or the majority of the Muslims I know are great, friendly and cool. But I have only meet a small fraction of those and they are mostly meet in university.

For your information the Muslims in US seems to have integrated better than those in Europe seems to have and seem to have more positive view on US then Muslims in Europe have about the country they are in according to most of the surveys.

And the research I posted is mostly isolated to a certain age group in a certain country so a sample size of roughly 1000 should be inductive of what the views are. It isn't like they lumped in all Muslims.

[Giaodollo]

I'm calling complete and utter bullshit. 65% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia law is more important than the law of the country they live in...65% of what, 100 people? Sure. But most muslims in Europe live in the east (Turkey, Bosnia, Albania, etc.)...have you ever been to any of these places? Not many religious people. All the "muslims" drink, **** different girls left and right, have music blaaasting all night in the diskoteke, but you expect me to believe that ****ing 65% of them want Sharia law? The thing that would end all of that partying? Give me a breaaaaak, **** *****.

Here's a stat...72% of Americans believe that black people are more dangerous than white people. Bet that if I put that up on some dumb blog people would be quoting me just like you are quoting some random douches and post it up on some other message board.

Turkey isn't in Europe but I have been there, yes. Alanya and Belek and most of the local people I met were workers and but I didn't fraternize with because of a language barrier to know their beliefs.. As I said I forwarded this post while bored on a train. I have no idea of the validity or the sample sizes or other factors. I was shocked when I saw them because that is not my personal view on Muslims I have meet through work, school.

[Patrick Chewing]

Please Patrick, i have read all of your comments on this subject, you have been the least objective person & the biggest islamophob alongside 9erempire.... i can guarantee that if i showed you all the stuff in the world to why you are so wrong and why you are just some ignorant islamophobs you would still try to retaliate otherwise, because thats what you have been doing so far.... you have zero objectivity, so how can i try have a conversation with you? There is no point, im just wasting my time...

Just know one thing.... i think i saw a couple of times where you called yourself a christian i believe? If you research Christianity (a beautiful religion aswell) a bit more you will eventually notice that condemning another religion or people or country or race is atrocious and infact hypothetically makes you not a true Christian no matter how hard you try........ See, you are a Christian / Muslim / Jew only from the heart / soul, its not simply about the technical stuff, its about everything, especially your behaviour.... which for you is not very beautiful and you know it....

I'm not the Pope. But if a particular religion is being taken over by fanatics and are committing atrocities in the name of their prophet, yeah, I'm going to call them out on it.

With all due respect, I think Islam is the religion of the poor and uneducated. I cannot see any rational human being who is well educated, reading verses from the Koran and agreeing with the subjugation of women, or simply following a Prophet who sanctioned murder. If Jesus was a murderer, I wouldn't classify myself a Christian. Ever.

[pauk]

What does that have to do with supporting suicide bombings, death penalty for leaving Islam, death for adultery, or wanting sharia? Nothing to do with the hate for America, sir.

Again, how does any it have to do with Islam?

Does islam / koran say you have to die for leaving Islam? What the hell man.... do i really need to go further with this?

Does islam / koran say Sharia Laws is a MUST? Only some Sharia Laws are truly obligatory and which are mentioned so in Koran:

Examples of obligatory Sharia laws:

• Earnings must be lawfully obtained

• Food must be halal

• Personal hygiene must be of a very high standard

• The body must be covered modestly

These are not a must, but recommended:

• Prayers must be said five times a day

• Believers must fast during Ramadan

THATS IT.............................. So why wouldnt a muslim want these Sharia Laws? Is it really so bad??? So you see, if you knew more about Islam and what Sharia Laws really are you wouldnt think it was that bad....

Then there is some stupid Sharia Laws from the Hadiths & Sects, created by some middle-east idiots back in the days..... which is not obligatory for any muslim to follow, the only obligatory book for a muslim is KORAN...... nothing else...... hell if you knew what many terms in Islam(KORAN) truly meant you would think it was fantastic, if you are not a stubborn islamophob that is...

So what the hell are these people talking about you say?

Those people speak for themselves, its their opinions as random PEOPLE, from those COUNTRIES, from those CULTURES, from those LIVES..... who just so happen to be muslim....... very many differentiating answers.... if they were christian and you asked them the same questions it would be the same results in most of those polls....

...and if you asked them to answer those questions as 100% accurately within the Islamic/Koran confounds then the answers would not differentiate at all.... and the answers would look entirely different......

...and again, i question the validity or the source of those polls aswell, some of those polls results are way to ridicilous, like the death penalty one, that is ridicilous no matter how you twist and turn it.... im sorry... i wonder the same thing The Macho Man wonders......

[Giaodollo]

[QUOTE=pauk]Again, how does any it have to do with Islam?

Does islam / koran say you have to die for leaving Islam? What the hell man.... do i really need to go further with this?

Does islam / koran say Sharia Laws is a MUST? Only some Sharia Laws are truly obligatory and which are mentioned so in Koran:

Examples of obligatory Sharia laws:

[pauk]

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all Abrahamic religions who all believe in the same exact one GOD and all share the foundations of the same prophets who are the descendants of Abraham & everything.... in all 3 books it preaches many of the same exact things and one of them like "brotherhood" between these 3 religions is one of the things that is preached the exact same way and hellava important..... why the hell do you think any of them would have anything against eachother?

These are beautiful, peaceful religions & the most established on earth...... Two of those Abrahamic Religions (Christianity & Islam) belongs to the #1 and #2 most populated humans on planet earth..... and then its up to those HUMANS... unfortunately many are born with a screw loose....

There is nothing wrong with those religions, but the actions of humans...

[Giaodollo]

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all Abrahamic religions who all believe in the same exact one GOD and all share the foundations of the same prophets who are the descendants of Abraham & everything.... in all 3 books it preaches many of the same exact things and one of them like "brotherhood" between these 3 religions is one of the things that is preached the exact same way and hellava important..... why the hell do you think any of them would have anything against eachother?

These are beautiful, peaceful religions & the most established on earth...... Two of those Abrahamic Religions (Christianity & Islam) belongs to the #1 and #2 most populated humans on planet earth..... and then its up to those HUMANS... unfortunately many are born with a screw loose....

There is nothing wrong with those religions, but the actions of humans...
Beutifully said. I agree.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all Abrahamic religions who all believe in the same exact one GOD and all share the foundations of the same prophets who are the descendants of Abraham & everything.... in all 3 books it preaches many of the same exact things and one of them like "brotherhood" between these 3 religions is one of the things that is preached the exact same way and hellava important..... why the hell do you think any of them would have anything against eachother?

These are beautiful, peaceful religions & the most established on earth...... Two of those Abrahamic Religions (Christianity & Islam) belongs to the #1 and #2 most populated humans on planet earth..... and then its up to those HUMANS... unfortunately many are born with a screw loose....

There is nothing wrong with those religions, but the actions of humans...

Brother Pauk, there is no getting around to them, their minds are made up.

One day they will learn to stop fearing. And then they'll begin to see the light.

[rufuspaul]

The OP has a point. Martin Luther was a Catholic priest who saw his religion becoming corrupted by Vatican leaders who were more concerned with wealth and power than Christian principles. His actions succeeded in creating the new Protestant Reform Church and resulted, eventually in significant changes in Catholicism. We hear all the time that mainstream Muslims don't support the violence and terror going on presently in the name of Allah, but these people could use a strong voice to rally around. It would certainly help with interfaith relationships imo.

[Derka]

Uh, are you talking about their current president or their current Supreme Leader? And how recent were the quotes?

Citation needed here. I think your information is outdated.

It was Khamenei and I saw a few stories about it within the last week, but I can't find them right now.

It shouldn't be too surprising, though...this is what the Supreme Leader does to stay in power over there. On the one hand, satisfy moderates and reformists by talking about shared this and cooperative that and blah blah blah...and with the other, satisfying his hardliners and fundamentalists with "Death to America" chants.

[LEFT4DEAD]

Ohh my... so many sinners going to burn in hell. Come to the right side before its too late. Join the only true and right religion, religion of peace and love. Join the muslim family. :bowdown:

[imdaman99]

LOL at the statistics presented in this thread. 26% of young Muslims in America think suicide bombing is OK? :roll:
Sorry but I can poll 12 angry kids and have 3 of them admit to something like that too.
Their research is skewed. I can poll 100 White people in rich white areas and ask them how they feel about minorities and I'm sure we will find great important information in that too right?

Nobody should give a shit about these small polls, especially in the UK where they can go to these terrorist community neighborhoods and pass it off as "67.5% of British Muslims believe the country should follow Shariah Law".

Propaganda feeds into the phobia. Sheep on :cheers:

[KingBeasley08]

Ohh my... so many sinners going to burn in hell. Come to the right side before its too late. Join the only true and right religion, religion of peace and love. Join the muslim family. :bowdown:
:wtf: This is some creepy shit

[HitandRun Reggie]

Ohh my... so many sinners going to burn in hell. Come to the right side before its too late. Join the only true and right religion, religion of peace and love. Join the muslim family. :bowdown:


Jihad John is that you?

[Dresta]

Pauk, you're such a piece of human scum: here you are, spreading the falsehood that extreme islamic positions are only held by '0.000001%' or some other utterly fatuous number, only for someone to reply with facts, out of the mouths of muslims themselves.

Pauk's response? Posting muslim polling results is the same as being a nazi and racist. Sorry, but you're only providing a mighty fine example of the willingness of muslims to turn a blind eye to the extremist nature of a high percentage of their brethren. You make me sick.

[LEFT4DEAD]

Pauk, you're such a piece of human scum: here you are, spreading the falsehood that extreme islamic positions are only held by '0.000001%' or some other utterly fatuous number, only for someone to reply with facts, out of the mouths of muslims themselves.

Pauk's response? Posting muslim polling results is the same as being a nazi and racist. Sorry, but you're only providing a mighty fine example of the willingness of muslims to turn a blind eye to the extremist nature of a high percentage of their brethren. You make me sick.
You have a big potential my brother. You know Islam is the right religion for you. Come to our family before its too late. :bowdown:

[pauk]

Sorry Dresta, will not waste my time with this crap anymore, i was just trying to be a voice of reason, to no avail. Go ahead & Have fun.

[Dresta]

You have a big potential my brother. You know Islam is the right religion for you. Come to our family before its too late. :bowdown:
Tbh, i prefer it to the secular religion of pity espoused by Western liberals, because at least it isn't so masochistic.

I think part of the reason you are having this second generation backlash in European countries, is that their cultures are so weak, so uncertain, so feminine, and so riddled with contradictions and hypocrisy that it only makes them nauseous (i empathise with this: it makes me nauseous too), so they simply reject it and look for more assured certainties elsewhere, and in Islam, find something that is an antipode to the things they despise.

Islam really, is a more masculine expression of Christianity; whereas the latter is designed to protect women, the former is designed to empower men (especially military men). Two sides of the same coin, in a way.

Christianity is a seductress (a contemporary Circe), Islam a commander, for lack of a better word.

[LJJ]

I'm calling complete and utter bullshit. 65% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia law is more important than the law of the country they live in...65% of what, 100 people? Sure. But most muslims in Europe live in the east (Turkey, Bosnia, Albania, etc.)...have you ever been to any of these places? Not many religious people. All the "muslims" drink, **** different girls left and right, have music blaaasting all night in the diskoteke, but you expect me to believe that ****ing 65% of them want Sharia law? The thing that would end all of that partying? Give me a breaaaaak

This depends on who you associate with. There are tons of Turks who like to party and don't take their faith too seriously, but there are many, many Turkish people who are very religiously conservative.

Why do you think a nut like Erdogan is elected in Turkey? In the past two decades or so it's been growing more conservative and Islamist with every passing year.

[Nowitness]

Does OP realize the Reformation was in 1517 not the 1600s?

Also he didn't really start his own religion. He was really just incensed with some Catholic practices (Selling of indulgences, stressing service over faith) and wanted them to change.

The fact that there is over 33,000 different Christian denominations just points to the retardation that is religion.

Islam would be even more dangerous if you have real theological figureheads who will create their own branches.

Also, do you really want Islam to be reformed by someone like Luther, a notorious antisemite who called for the destruction of the Jewish people. If he had Hitler's resources the Holocaust would have taken place 400 years earlier.

I don't think so.

[pauk]

Dresta.... look, my pops is muslim & my mom is catholic, kindof secular but anyways (well, im just about to go out & devour some beers) my family, relatives and all friends are one or the other of those two, very normal here in Balkans/ex. Yugoslavia.... i know those people & know those religions very well.... i trust my knowledge & huge experience with those people & religions better than your polls & ISIS highlights... But then again those are slavic/european/white muslims (entirely different culture/people) have yet to meet & get to know a middle-eastern/Arab or African muslim around here, in Europe those exist only in something like Germany or England or France or something....

My point is thats the difference between me and the typical American like perhaps you.... they learn about Islam/Muslims only/mostly through American media who do nothing but show the Rednecks of the middle-east, that is what has taught them alot about islam / muslims, so their view is perfectly understandable, but therefore also shallow / unreasonable.... ofcourse ANY muslim would not fancy you very much with those generalizations....

You dudes need to go out more often & travel to some muslim places or something, to get your own actual experience....

Hey, come over here Dresta... we will have some pivo... :cheers:

[brownmamba00]

Dresta.... look, my pops is muslim & my mom is catholic, kindof secular but anyways (well, im just about to go out & devour some beers) my family, relatives and all friends are one or the other of those two, very normal here in Balkans/ex. Yugoslavia.... i know those people & know those religions very well.... i trust my knowledge & huge experience with those people & religions better than your polls & ISIS highlights... But then again those are slavic/european/white muslims (entirely different culture/people) have yet to meet & get to know a middle-eastern/Arab or African muslim around here, in Europe those exist only in something like Germany or England or France or something....

My point is thats the difference between me and the typical American like perhaps you.... they learn about Islam/Muslims only/mostly through American media who do nothing but show the Rednecks of the middle-east, that is what has taught them alot about islam / muslims, so their view is perfectly understandable, but therefore also shallow / unreasonable.... ofcourse ANY muslim would not fancy you very much with those generalizations....

You dudes need to go out more often & travel to some muslim places or something, to get your own actual experience....

Hey, come over here Dresta... we will have some pivo... :cheers:
No they prefer to live in their own ignorant world.

[Nowitness]

No they prefer to live in their own ignorant world.

Silly boy. Silly animal.

[TheMan]

Dresta.... look, my pops is muslim & my mom is catholic, kindof secular but anyways (well, im just about to go out & devour some beers) my family, relatives and all friends are one or the other of those two, very normal here in Balkans/ex. Yugoslavia.... i know those people & know those religions very well.... i trust my knowledge & huge experience with those people & religions better than your polls & ISIS highlights... But then again those are slavic/european/white muslims (entirely different culture/people) have yet to meet & get to know a middle-eastern/Arab or African muslim around here, in Europe those exist only in something like Germany or England or France or something....

My point is thats the difference between me and the typical American like perhaps you.... they learn about Islam/Muslims only/mostly through American media who do nothing but show the Rednecks of the middle-east, that is what has taught them alot about islam / muslims, so their view is perfectly understandable, but therefore also shallow / unreasonable.... ofcourse ANY muslim would not fancy you very much with those generalizations....

You dudes need to go out more often & travel to some muslim places or something, to get your own actual experience....

Hey, come over here Dresta... we will have some pivo... :cheers:
No thanks bro, I kinda like my head being attached to my body.

[Raymone]

If islam is a religion of peace, why do so many muslims kill people?

[Jud]

I was thinking MLK :lol
Me too :facepalm :oldlol:

[Smook A.]

If islam is a religion of peace, why do so many muslims kill people?
Majority of the world's Muslims aren't psychopathic retards who just go around and cut people's heads off or cause other extreme violence. There are what... over a billion Muslims in the world? It's the 2nd most populated religion behind Christianity. If every single Muslim on Earth was like the stereotypical Muslim, then this world would be ****ed by now. It'd be World War on steroids, but that's not the case since not all Muslims are terrible, crazy people.

[qrich]

Wonder what the polling results would be if you asked all the white people in Scottsdale if Zimmerman was fully justified.

Wonder what the polling results would be if you asked all the black people in Compton on whether Darren Wilson should get the death penalty.

[Patrick Chewing]

Majority of the world's Muslims aren't psychopathic retards who just go around and cut people's heads off or cause other extreme violence. There are what... over a billion Muslims in the world? It's the 2nd most populated religion behind Christianity. If every single Muslim on Earth was like the stereotypical Muslim, then this world would be ****ed by now. It'd be World War on steroids, but that's not the case since not all Muslims are terrible, crazy people.


You still didn't answer the question. Who cares about the majority? The fact still remains that Muslims kill thousands of people (mostly each other) every year. Why is that?

[kurple]

Lies! Or none of those polled are Muslims. In reality, there's only about 37 true Muslims in the world, Pauk being one of them.
You are so ****ing ignorant

Islam is one of the more peacefull religions

[kurple]

You still didn't answer the question. Who cares about the majority? The fact still remains that Muslims kill thousands of people (mostly each other) every year. Why is that?
Hundreds of years of poverty and corrupt leaders?

You are so ****ing stupid.

[Nowitness]

You are so ****ing ignorant

Islam is one of the more peacefull religions

It really isn't; not even in an historical context when the abuses and corruption wasn't really detailed (for example during the 17th and 18th centuries).

Islam has always been a religion with a focus on violence and punishment. To deny this is just plain wrong.

I'm not arguing it is the only one however. Just like Islam is the most threatening religion today, in 2015, 85 years ago it was clearly the Catholic Church with it's strident ties to Fascist regimes.

[warriorfan]

muslims smell bad

[Dresta]

Majority of the world's Muslims aren't psychopathic retards who just go around and cut people's heads off or cause other extreme violence. There are what... over a billion Muslims in the world? It's the 2nd most populated religion behind Christianity. If every single Muslim on Earth was like the stereotypical Muslim, then this world would be ****ed by now. It'd be World War on steroids, but that's not the case since not all Muslims are terrible, crazy people.
That a billion Muslims thing is a frequent threat uttered by Muslims to try and make others keep their mouth shut: 'how could you say that, there's a BILLION people you've offended with that' - i.e. you better watch out. And honestly, what do you know of the matter? You live in Houston of all places - how many strict Islamic countries have you been to? It's easy to excuse it all from Houston; if you actually had to put up with the shit that goes on in these countries then maybe you'd think differently. You'd be amazed at how backward a lot of these people are, truly, it's really remarkable.


I suggest you take a look at most muslim countries, and see if you'd want to live in them. In my estimation most of them are '****ed' and certainly places no civilised individual would want to live in (Saudi Arabia, for a stable example). And they generally seek to export their problems so as to hide the fact they govern like morons (a bit like the US has been doing since the 70s though, to be fair to them). Saudi Arabia and Turkey were happily funding and enabling IS for some time - the Islamic world is a ****ing mess, and it turns out that the brutal dictators ruling many of these countries were the guys just sitting on the lid and preventing it all from exploding (just look at Libya).



Dresta.... look, my pops is muslim & my mom is catholic, kindof secular but anyways (well, im just about to go out & devour some beers) my family, relatives and all friends are one or the other of those two, very normal here in Balkans/ex. Yugoslavia.... i know those people & know those religions very well.... i trust my knowledge & huge experience with those people & religions better than your polls & ISIS highlights... But then again those are slavic/european/white muslims (entirely different culture/people) have yet to meet & get to know a middle-eastern/Arab or African muslim around here, in Europe those exist only in something like Germany or England or France or something....

My point is thats the difference between me and the typical American like perhaps you.... they learn about Islam/Muslims only/mostly through American media who do nothing but show the Rednecks of the middle-east, that is what has taught them alot about islam / muslims, so their view is perfectly understandable, but therefore also shallow / unreasonable.... ofcourse ANY muslim would not fancy you very much with those generalizations....

You dudes need to go out more often & travel to some muslim places or something, to get your own actual experience....

Hey, come over here Dresta... we will have some pivo... :cheers:
Sorry bro, but you've got me completely wrong: i've probably known a wider array of muslims (nationalities) than you, and draw from my experiences when making my points. I've been to Tunisia, in particular, many times (one of the more secular muslims countries around) and the divide between North (secular) and South (Islamist) is vast. My Uncle - who is an ethnic Tunisian and muslim (the latter at least in a cultural sense) - took me to the South, and told me before that 'you'll be amazed by how backward these people are' - and he was generally right, the difference was stark (i probably wouldn't risk going there today, even). Other Tunisians told me how they disapproved of the increase of girls wearing headscarfs even, as this was 'not the Tunisian way' - see that, the emphasis of the nation, and the importance of its secular culture and character? That's what is completely lacking in the Middle East for the most part, where religion and religious leadership has become all that matters.

I also know a fair few Pakistanis, and they, in general are very intolerant, and the views they hold would offend the dear old liberals who love excusing muslims (while calling everyone else racist or sexist or homophobic - what does this last one mean anyway, fear of, man?). If my son were gay or non-islamic i'd disown him, was one; if my wife lied to me about her virginity i'd kill her was another - i am not American and grew up in an Asian dominated part of London for Christ's sake. I know and have known lots of muslims; i have family who are muslims. Calling me a 'typical American' just shows you've not really understood any of the criticism i have of Islam, because they have nothing to do with being American or living in America, but what i have seen and witnessed, first hand. For the most part, i didn't like what i saw at all, which was unhealthy tie between bored muslim kids, clerics, Asian drug dealers and gangs - there are extensive networks here, and they often were linked in some way to extremist cells (if only for selling them weapons), and completely exclusivist.

Maybe you are struggling to understand because you've only seen civilised muslims, as the muslims in Bosnia are known to be some of the most secular muslims in the world? Perhaps it is you who needs to widen his horizons...