Funny how Harden is having a career year, yet LeBron has similar stats

[k0kakw0rld]

:oldlol:

Best player alive he says or they say. :roll:

Harden: 27.2 PPG .439 FG% 7.0 APG 5.8 RPG

Bron: 25.9 PPG .492 FG% 7.3 APG 5.8 RPG

[Beastmode88]

let's compare the roster now.

[PsychoBe]

doing more without dwight than bran is doing with kyrie and love

[RightToCensor]

let's compare the record now.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Let's compare their playoff production, and success now ... when refs swallow whistles, and three balls are actually defended. Let's be honest, if Harden isn't getting massive amount of free throws, his ability to control a game aren't superstar tier level.

[k0kakw0rld]

doing more without dwight than bran is doing with kyrie and love
Bron probably will be averaging close to 30 PPG at Harden's age without Dwight and similar roster. He plays with Kyrie Irving a guy who can average 20-25 ppg. and still averages 25 PPG. come on now. Better arguments please.

[nba_55]

let's compare the roster now.
:biggums: What does roster have to do with the stats? Young Lebron put better stats with a worse roster. Westbrook started to put better stats when his team's roster got worse ( when Durant got injured).

[k0kakw0rld]

let's compare the roster now.
LeBron playing by himself will give you 30 PPG with less FTA

[RightToCensor]

James Harden this season is averaging 10 FTA.

Lebron James in his playoff career as a Cavalier averaged 11 FTA.

James Harden's defender reaches in for actual fouls.

Lebron James stiff arms his way to And-1s.

Who exactly is getting the superstar calls? Exactly. Plebs.

[k0kakw0rld]

:biggums: What does roster have to do with the stats? Young Lebron put better stats with a worse roster. Westbrook started to put better stats when his team's roster got worse ( when Durant got injured).
Don't worry them fools are running out of excuses. They look stupid now :oldlol:

[YouGotServed]

Current Harden is better than any version of LeBron and that's putting it nicely. Prior to colluding with Bosh and Wade, how many 50+W teams did LeBron beat in the playoffs? My guess is 1.

I'll take Harden.

[nba_55]

let's compare the record now.
Cavaliers record with Lebron and Rockets record with Harden?

[warriorfan]

:oldlol:

Best player alive he says or they say. :roll:

Harden: 27.2 PPG .439 FG% 7.0 APG 5.8 RPG

Bron: 25.9 PPG .492 FG% 7.3 APG 5.8 RPG




Defense?

[nba_55]

Current Harden is better than any version of LeBron and that's putting it nicely. Prior to colluding with Bosh and Wade, how many 50+W teams did LeBron beat in the playoffs? My guess is 1.

I'll take Harden.
:biggums: How many alts do you have? Get a life! Why do you care so much about ISH reputation? :facepalm

[k0kakw0rld]

Current Harden is better than any version of LeBron and that's putting it nicely. Prior to colluding with Bosh and Wade, how many 50+W teams did LeBron beat in the playoffs? My guess is 1.

I'll take Harden.
How many 50+ teams did Harden beat in the playoffs as a first option? hmmmmm yea 0. Lost vs Portland and choked like a thot.

[Megabox!]

let's compare the record now.
Cavs 47-26
Rockets 48-23 kinda close between the 2 teams, Rockets ahead but not by much

[PsychoBe]

Bron probably will be averaging close to 30 PPG at Harden's age without Dwight and similar roster. He plays with Kyrie Irving a guy who can average 20-25 ppg. and still averages 25 PPG. come on now. Better arguments please.

bran stans stay making hypotheticals. if bran played better in the finals he "probably" would have won last year too :oldlol:

face it harden is doing more with less meanwhile bran was throwing his coach under the bus while relaxing in a jacuzzi in south beach for a week. harden never had the luxury to do that.

then he choked against harden and you still want to compare them? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[k0kakw0rld]

Defense?
So Harden is the better defender? What are you saying? :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

James Harden this season is averaging 10 FTA.
It's the type of foul calls he gets, not always the amount. But even then, it's high.

And please, everyone has always commented on how Harden's game is fun to watch if you like free throws. That's why even with a mediocre FG% his TS is amazing.

Harden's whole game is like a less exciting / volume scoring version of the complaints that were waged against Wade's 2006 Finals.


Lebron James in his playoff career as a Cavalier averaged 11 FTA.
Earned, he drove to the basket relentlessly and played for the bucket ... not the foul call itself.

Now a days he quite often gets defenders hacking him at the rim with no calls, so when the refs don't call his stiff arm to protect to himself ... it's canceled out.

[inclinerator]

James Harden this season is averaging 10 FTA.

Lebron James in his playoff career as a Cavalier averaged 11 FTA.

James Harden's defender reaches in for actual fouls.

Lebron James stiff arms his way to And-1s.

Who exactly is getting the superstar calls? Exactly. Plebs.
well lebron is a bigger star

[RightTwoCensor]

Current Harden is better than any version of LeBron and that's putting it nicely. Prior to colluding with Bosh and Wade, how many 50+W teams did LeBron beat in the playoffs? My guess is 1.

I'll take Harden.
Future repped

[k0kakw0rld]

bran stans stay making hypotheticals. if bran played better in the finals he "probably" would have won last year too :oldlol:

face it harden is doing more with less meanwhile bran was throwing his coach under the bus while relaxing in a jacuzzi in south beach for a week. harden never had the luxury to do that.

then he choked against harden and you still want to compare them? :roll: :roll: :roll:
They have the same stats, if anything LeBron dominates him in every category except PPG.

[RoseCity07]

43%

[PsychoBe]

They have the same stats, if anything LeBron dominates him in every category except PPG.

http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/t_in_content_image/apqywmczf75uaumgfpo3.png

[nba_55]

bran stans stay making hypotheticals. if bran played better in the finals he "probably" would have won last year too :oldlol:

face it harden is doing more with less meanwhile bran was throwing his coach under the bus while relaxing in a jacuzzi in south beach for a week. harden never had the luxury to do that.

then he choked against harden and you still want to compare them? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Source?

[Smook A.]

43%
Oh right, that's the percentage Damian Lillard is shooting at this year.

[sd3035]

Bran is just too good

[YouGotServed]

Prime LeBron beat 1 50W team. A young Harden went to the finals with young Durant and young Westbrook. Imagine the 3 of them in their primes?

LeBron can stay colluding. He lost his dignity a long time ago. No one respects him.

[k0kakw0rld]

http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/t_in_content_image/apqywmczf75uaumgfpo3.png
I just wish this fool plays the Spurs in the first round. For his ass to get exposed again. There will be no whistle against the Spurs. This team litterally does not foul at all. (By experience)

[Droid101]

Decent debate for 2-3 place runners up for MVP I guess.

I'd take Harden this season because he's shown way more heart and desire the whole year.

Curry's still the MVP.

[RightTwoCensor]

It's the type of foul calls he gets, not always the amount. But even then, it's high.

And please, everyone has always commented on how Harden's game is fun to watch if you like free throws. That's why even with a mediocre FG% his TS is amazing.

Harden's whole game is like a less exciting / volume scoring version of the complaints that were waged against Wade's 2006 Finals.


Earned, he drove to the basket relentlessly and played for the bucket ... not the foul call itself.

Now a days he quite often gets defenders hacking him at the rim with no calls, so when the refs don't call his stiff arm to protect to himself ... it's canceled out.
Most retarded thing I've read in a while.

If you get fouled then you deserve the call. Harden deserves every free throw he gets PLUS the uncalled fouls the refs ignore that lead to misses or turnovers.

Lebron exaggerates every time a player tries to wrap him up, that little girl acts like he's truly in danger. The fact that every game Lebron has played since he built his muscle mass he commits and offensive foul every game and doesn't get called for it is the prime example of manufactured stars.

You can make a compilation of Lebron's uncalled offensive fouls if you could stomach watch all of his games throughout a season.

[imnew09]

Avging 26ppg in the east is patheic as *** especially if you're considered as a superstar

[RoseCity07]

Oh right, that's the percentage Damian Lillard is shooting at this year.

Damian Lillard isn't in talks to be MVP. That percentage disqualifies anyone.

[nba_55]

I just wish this fool plays the Spurs in the first round. For his ass to get exposed again. There will be no whistle against the Spurs. This team litterally does not foul at all. (By experience)

Congratulations :applause: :applause: :applause: We won the debate, we used facts and logic to shut them and force them to post off-topic pictures.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Does LeBron think he's sexy now or something with his surgically corrected hairline? Is that why a near 30 year old posted a very teenage-ish selfie of himself? I've noticed he hasn't even been wearing the head band anymore.

[PsychoBe]

Congratulations :applause: :applause: :applause: We won the debate, we used facts and logic to shut them and force them to post off-topic pictures.

http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/t_in_content_image/apqywmczf75uaumgfpo3.png

salty

[inclinerator]

Does LeBron think he's sexy now or something with his surgically corrected hairline? Is that why a near 30 year old posted a very teenage-ish selfie of himself? I've noticed he hasn't even been wearing the head band anymore.
he's more intimidating that's for sure

[nba_55]

Does LeBron think he's sexy now or something with his surgically corrected hairline? Is that why a near 30 year old posted a very teenage-ish selfie of himself? I've noticed he hasn't even been wearing the head band anymore.

If he feels better, then good for him, I don't give a **** as long as he continues to own the league!

[Smook A.]

Damian Lillard isn't in talks to be MVP. That percentage disqualifies anyone.
Harden is shooting 44% this season, which is pretty average. Doesn't mean he disqualifies from becoming the MVP. Allen Iverson won the award shooting 42%. Rose shot 44.5%. How come they didn't get disqualified? :lol

[k0kakw0rld]

Prime LeBron beat 1 50W team. A young Harden went to the finals with young Durant and young Westbrook. Imagine the 3 of them in their primes?

LeBron can stay colluding. He lost his dignity a long time ago. No one respects him.
:oldlol:

How do you explain him selling the most jerseys this year and finishing top 2 overall (behind Curry) in all star votes? :confusedshrug:
Kids :facepalm when are y'all gonna learn?

[YouGotServed]

:oldlol:

How do you explain him selling the most jerseys this year and finishing top 2 overall (behind Curry) in all star votes? :confusedshrug:
Kids :facepalm when are y'all gonna learn?

Explanation is pretty simple tbh.

Here it is: People like you exist.

[RightTwoCensor]

What adult buys jerseys in 2015?

Kids like Curry and Lebron because they're relatable. Curry looks like a pre-teen and Lebron is undeveloped like a 12 year old.

[k0kakw0rld]

Avging 26ppg in the east is patheic as *** especially if you're considered as a superstar
He is obviously the leading scorer in the eastern conference.

Every other player according to you is garbage. Wade, Irving, Wall, Melo, Lowry, DeRozan etc...

hmm Cool story bruh!

[k0kakw0rld]

Explanation is pretty simple tbh.

Here it is: People like you exist.
People who actually understand the game of basketball, agree with me. (Bron >>>>> Ha) he does not even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as LeBron James.

[k0kakw0rld]

Harden is shooting 44% this season, which is pretty average. Doesn't mean he disqualifies from becoming the MVP. Allen Iverson won the award shooting 42%. Rose shot 44.5%. How come they didn't get disqualified? :lol
LeBron's shooting close to 50% :confusedshrug: MVP?

[PsychoBe]

He is obviously the leading scorer in the eastern conference.

Every other player according to you is garbage. Wade, Irving, Wall, Melo, Lowry, DeRozan etc...

hmm Cool story bruh!

all those guys are garbage though :oldlol:

wade cant even play back-to-back, irving cant play like a real pg, wall fell off a cliff, melo (:oldlol: ), lowry and derozan can't even streak wins together anymore.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Current Harden is better than any version of LeBron and that's putting it nicely. Prior to colluding with Bosh and Wade, how many 50+W teams did LeBron beat in the playoffs? My guess is 1.

I'll take Harden.
lol @ this

How many playoff teams has Harden beaten in his career as the leader of a team? My guess is 0

LeBron taking the Cavs to the finals as a 22 year old, while Harden can't escape the first round in his prime

[YouGotServed]

People who actually understand the game of basketball, agree with me. (Bron >>>>> Ha) he does not even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as LeBron James.

Didn't read. How many 50W LeBron beat prior to colluding?

[Smook A.]

LeBron's shooting close to 50% :confusedshrug: MVP?
That has nothing to do with what I said. Just saying that a player shouldn't be disqualified from the MVP race just because their shooting percentage is less than 43%

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

That has nothing to do with what I said. Just saying that a player shouldn't be disqualified from the MVP race just because their shooting percentage is less than 43%
And hardens TS% is over 20 points higher than LeBrons lol..

[navy]

And hardens TS% is over 20 points higher than LeBrons lol..
:biggums:

[J Shuttlesworth]

:biggums:
He means .20

.603 vs. .582

Last year in the playoffs:

Harden: .518
LeBron: .668

[navy]

He means .20

.603 vs. .582

Last year in the playoffs:

Harden: .518
LeBron: .668
No he means .02

[J Shuttlesworth]

No he means .02
You are right. my bad

[kamil]

Funny how Harden is having a career year, yet LeBron has similar stats

Why is it funny? Is no other player allowed to perform as good if not better than LeBron* ?

[k0kakw0rld]

Why is it funny? Is no other player allowed to perform as good if not better than LeBron* ?
He called himself the best player alive. Hell no.

[kamil]

He called himself the best player alive. Hell no.

Check his $tat. Harden > LeBron*

[Fudge]

James > James

[FLDFSU]

all those guys are garbage though :oldlol:

wade cant even play back-to-back, irving cant play like a real pg, wall fell off a cliff, melo (:oldlol: ), lowry and derozan can't even streak wins together anymore.

We will all remember this the next time you wanna talk about how stacked the team Lebron plays on are...

[Black Mamba's B]

Lebron playing in that bum ass conference his entire career

[ImKobe]

Cavs 47-26
Rockets 48-23 kinda close between the 2 teams, Rockets ahead but not by much

And then look at the help each guy had

we're done here.

[aj1987]

Lebron playing in that bum ass conference his entire career
2015 Season

LeBron vs EC teams:

24.8 PPG 5.4 RPG 7.6 APG 1.6 SPG 0.5 BPG on 56.8% TS

LeBron vs WC teams:

27.7 PPG 6.4 RPG 6.8 APG 1.6 SPG 0.9 BPG on 60.6% TS

Career

LeBron vs EC teams:

27.3 PPG 7.0 RPG 6.8 APG 1.7 SPG 0.8 BPG on 58.2% TS

LeBron vs WC teams:

27.5 PPG 7.3 RPG 7.1 APG 1.7 SPG 0.8 BPG on 58.1% TS

You were saying?

[SugarHill]

2015 Season

LeBron vs EC teams:

24.8 PPG 5.4 RPG 7.6 APG 1.6 SPG 0.5 BPG on 56.8% TS

LeBron vs WC teams:

27.7 PPG 6.4 RPG 6.8 APG 1.6 SPG 0.9 BPG on 60.6% TS

Career

LeBron vs EC teams:

27.3 PPG 7.0 RPG 6.8 APG 1.7 SPG 0.8 BPG on 58.2% TS

LeBron vs WC teams:

27.5 PPG 7.3 RPG 7.1 APG 1.7 SPG 0.8 BPG on 58.1% TS

You were saying?
destroyed

[bdreason]

I've never heard anyone claim Harden is a better player than LeBron.



The MVP race has little or nothing to do with who is actually the best player in the league.

[Prime_Shaq]

James > James
Correct.

[Megabox!]

And then look at the help each guy had

we're done here.
You trying to say Harden hasn't had that much help with guys like Smith, Brewer, montiejunas and Ariza backing him in Howard's absence?

[dubeta]

Take out Free throws and a 16 year old LeBron is literally better than prime Harden. I DARE an autistic Rockets fan to say otherwise.

[imnew09]

He is obviously the leading scorer in the eastern conference.

Every other player according to you is garbage. Wade, Irving, Wall, Melo, Lowry, DeRozan etc...

hmm Cool story bruh!

Honestly the players you listed are pretty garbage... Except dor kyrie.
No excuses for Bron

[k0kakw0rld]

Honestly the players you listed are pretty garbage... Except dor kyrie.
No excuses for Bron
Whatever helps you sleep at night bro!

[RoseCity07]

Harden is shooting 44% this season, which is pretty average. Doesn't mean he disqualifies from becoming the MVP. Allen Iverson won the award shooting 42%. Rose shot 44.5%. How come they didn't get disqualified? :lol

Didn't Iverson's team make it to the Finals the year he won? He carried scrubs to a 56 win season scoring 31 PPG. Harden also has a better team. The Rockets have 3 all-stars. Not to mention two of the better defending wings in the NBA in Brewer and Ariza. When Rose won they were the best team in the east and went to the ECFs.

[Prime_Shaq]

Didn't Iverson's team make it to the Finals the year he won? He carried scrubs to a 56 win season scoring 31 PPG. Harden also has a better team. The Rockets have 3 all-stars. Not to mention two of the better defending wings in the NBA in Brewer and Ariza. When Rose won they were the best team in the east and went to the ECFs.
How certain are you that Harden can't lead his team to postseason success this year?

[brantonli]

Didn't Iverson's team make it to the Finals the year he won? He carried scrubs to a 56 win season scoring 31 PPG. Harden also has a better team. The Rockets have 3 all-stars. Not to mention two of the better defending wings in the NBA in Brewer and Ariza. When Rose won they were the best team in the east and went to the ECFs.

Who is our third All-star?


IMO Harden's MVP case is more because, in the offseason, tons of people were predicting the Rockets would barely scrap into the playoffs or even miss it, after losing Asik, Parsons and Lin, so the Rockets have completely blown expectations away. We didn't have Smith or Brewer at the beginning of the season, so of course expectations were lower.

[RoseCity07]

Who is our third All-star?


IMO Harden's MVP case is more because, in the offseason, tons of people were predicting the Rockets would barely scrap into the playoffs or even miss it, after losing Asik, Parsons and Lin, so the Rockets have completely blown expectations away. We didn't have Smith or Brewer at the beginning of the season, so of course expectations were lower.

Just realized Josh Smith never made it to an all-star team. That is kinda strange to me seeing as he was a star in Atlanta at one time.

[YouGotServed]

Just realized Josh Smith never made it to an all-star team. That is kinda strange to me seeing as he was a star in Atlanta at one time.

No worries. We're used to reading your garbage posts. My advice, educate yourself a bit more before posting.

:cheers:

[JohnFreeman]

2015 Season

LeBron vs EC teams:

24.8 PPG 5.4 RPG 7.6 APG 1.6 SPG 0.5 BPG on 56.8% TS

LeBron vs WC teams:

27.7 PPG 6.4 RPG 6.8 APG 1.6 SPG 0.9 BPG on 60.6% TS

Career

LeBron vs EC teams:

27.3 PPG 7.0 RPG 6.8 APG 1.7 SPG 0.8 BPG on 58.2% TS

LeBron vs WC teams:

27.5 PPG 7.3 RPG 7.1 APG 1.7 SPG 0.8 BPG on 58.1% TS

You were saying?
make your soul burn slow

[LeBird]

doing more without dwight than bran is doing with kyrie and love

That actually makes Lebron's case even more impressive. It is harder to get a better box-score if you have to share the rock.

And then once you consider defense...

[WallIn]

2015 Season

LeBron vs EC teams:

24.8 PPG 5.4 RPG 7.6 APG 1.6 SPG 0.5 BPG on 56.8% TS

LeBron vs WC teams:

27.7 PPG 6.4 RPG 6.8 APG 1.6 SPG 0.9 BPG on 60.6% TS

Career

LeBron vs EC teams:

27.3 PPG 7.0 RPG 6.8 APG 1.7 SPG 0.8 BPG on 58.2% TS

LeBron vs WC teams:

27.5 PPG 7.3 RPG 7.1 APG 1.7 SPG 0.8 BPG on 58.1% TS

You were saying?

:roll:

[aj1987]

Just realized Josh Smith never made it to an all-star team. That is kinda strange to me seeing as he was a star in Atlanta at one time.
You could make a case for '08, '11, '12, and '13.

[game3524]

Didn't Iverson's team make it to the Finals the year he won? He carried scrubs to a 56 win season scoring 31 PPG. Harden also has a better team. The Rockets have 3 all-stars. Not to mention two of the better defending wings in the NBA in Brewer and Ariza. When Rose won they were the best team in the east and went to the ECFs.

How the **** is what AI did in the post season even relevant to a regular season award?:roll:

I swear I get dumber every time I read your garbage post...........

[Cocaine80s]

Harden is the best SG since Jordan


But he's still not on Lebron's level yet

[k0kakw0rld]

Harden is the best SG since Jordan


But he's still not on Lebron's level yet
And will never be. Nobody will ever experienced the same pressure that LeBron experienced.