Feminists hate the MRA for the same reasons people don't like them?

[jongib369]

Never understood all the hate the MRA gets...If followed correctly it should mirror feminism with an emphasis on mens issues, correct? So why get so damn worked up over it because a lot of assholes happen to use it for their own agenda?

:biggums:


Can someone explain this to me

( Im not a MRA)

[jongib369]

The fvks mra?
Men's rights activists

[jongib369]

That's very dumb

Very very dumb
No real issues come to my mind so I basically agree, but I haven't lived everyones life...If there's something legitimate why automatically assume the worst?

[SugarHill]

No real issues come to my mind so I basically agree, but I haven't lived everyones life...If there's something legitimate why automatically assume the worst?
divorce?
custody?

[Patrick Chewing]

Ladies night?

Ladies drink free before 10?

[SugarHill]

It might be harmless but it's very dumb

What issues do men face based on gender? How are they oppressed?
our people are really oppressed

join us....PM for details and I'll get you started up

[jongib369]

It might be harmless but it's very dumb

What issues do men face based on gender? How are they oppressed?
Well, this may be a silly example and I don't remember the exact numbers...But I think men serve up to 3-7 times the jail time for the same crimes as women

Or being able to take as much as they can from a divorce. Made sense in the past, but not today. These arent large scale issue like the many examples women have to deal with...So feminisim is A LOT more legitmate IMO...But they're issues nevertheless

[SugarHill]

Wait is this just a Canadian thing?
it's a world wide movement

[jongib369]

Wait is this just a Canadian thing?
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1874742

Found it

[jongib369]

Like I've said, I dont think men are oppressed, or have nearly as much to talk about In these ragards as women do...I just don't like the automatic reaction of hatred I've seen

[Siemens]

Never understood all the hate the MRA gets...If followed correctly it should mirror feminism with an emphasis on mens issues, correct? So why get so damn worked up over it because a lot of assholes happen to use it for their own agenda?

:biggums:


Can someone explain this to me

( Im not a MRA)

Because feminism is about advocating to help women get equal rights that they don't already have. Since there is a discrepancy in society which favors men over women, it would be impossible to mirror feminism with an emphasis on mens issues.

[Jameerthefear]

Like I've said, I dont think men are oppressed, or have nearly as much to talk about In these ragards as women do...I just don't like the automatic reaction of hatred I've seen
SM ****ing H

[Droid101]

Men's rights!

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/909/924/771.png

Stop attacking us menimists!

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/909/932/7b5.png

[robert de niro]

MRA :roll:

[nightprowler10]

That's very dumb

Very very dumb
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[jongib369]

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I actually agree after spending 15 minutes looking into their views....14:59 too long to figure it out :lol

[jongib369]

SM ****ing H
Even though I laugh at the thought now, what's so bad about what I said there? Lmao

[Jameerthefear]

MRAs have LEGIT complaints. Anyone who dismisses them just because "hurr hurr women have it so hard :'(" is a ****ing idiot.

[jongib369]

MRAs have LEGIT complaints. Anyone who dismisses them just because "hurr hurr women have it so hard :'(" is a ****ing idiot.
Hmm, what are they in your opinion?

I'm listening with an open ear, not saying it with any sarcasm

[Jameerthefear]

Just a short list:
Men's lives are valued less than a women's
Men serve longer sentences in prisons
Unfairness of the draft in the U.S.
Custody battles

[jongib369]

Just a short list:
Men's lives are valued less than a women's
Men serve longer sentences in prisons
Unfairness of the draft in the U.S.
Custody battles
Yeah I could see those being legit things to bring up

I don't like when I hear "You don't know the fear every women has walking down the street at night. Look at rape statistics"

While my brain automatically jumps to the % of men who get mugged/jumped/killed in comparison

[Droid101]

Just a short list:
Men's lives are valued less than a women's
Men serve longer sentences in prisons
Unfairness of the draft in the U.S.
Custody battles
Man up, Nancy.

[The Iron Sheik]

women aren't oppressed in any way.

and feminism doesn't claim to just work for women, (even though in reality, it does) it claims to focus on "redefining gender roles" (which is stupid)

[The Iron Sheik]

Yeah I could see those being legit things to bring up

I don't like when I hear "You don't know the fear every women has walking down the street at night. Look at rape statistics"

While my brain automatically jumps to the % of men who get mugged/jumped/killed in comparison

it's also stupid because it assumes that every man is a potential rapist. if i said that every woman is a potential case of alimony or child support waiting to happen, i'd be labeled a sexist

[SugarHill]

men's rights is a real thing and you need to respect it!

[Siemens]

Just a short list:
Men's lives are valued less than a women's
Men serve longer sentences in prisons
Unfairness of the draft in the U.S.
Custody battles


You poor little man.

[NumberSix]

Because feminism is about advocating to help women get equal rights that they don't already have. Since there is a discrepancy in society which favors men over women, it would be impossible to mirror feminism with an emphasis on mens issues.
Like? :confusedshrug:

[STATUTORY]

Never understood all the hate the MRA gets...If followed correctly it should mirror feminism with an emphasis on mens issues, correct? So why get so damn worked up over it because a lot of assholes happen to use it for their own agenda?

:biggums:


Can someone explain this to me

( Im not a MRA)

are men traditionally marginalized in history?

not saying I support feminism but these type of false equivocations are dumb

[jongib369]

are men traditionally marginalized in history?

not saying I support feminism but these type of false equivocations are dumb
Oh I never said it was equivalent, I just don't like issues people may bring up to be shat on in hate. I'd rather have it respectfully dismantled.

For instance, the whole divorce thing made sense in the past....and it should change now....But it's such a small issue and not really taken advantage of THAT much I could care less....so it's not even truly a issue IMO.

In a case like tiger woods, I dont think she should have gotten all that she did...But I don't feel sorry for Tiger, cuz the guys a freaking moron :lol

Deserved it, to an extent

[NumberSix]

are men traditionally marginalized in history?

not saying I support feminism but these type of false equivocations are dumb
Well, men throughout history have traditionally been required to serve in the military.

I don't know why that of the two groups, you feel sorry for the group that doesn't get to vote over the group that has to risk life and limb.

[joe]

MRA will have trouble getting off the ground, because men don't like to ask for help. Having a legal battle over men's rights is like, whining to the teacher that the girl stole your batman pencil.

But obviously, there are laws that are oppressive towards men. But nobody wants to hear it, because men aren't supposed to complain.

[Siemens]

Like? :confusedshrug:

Rights was the wrong word choice. Privilege is more accurate.

[The Iron Sheik]

Rights was the wrong word choice. Privilege is more accurate.

like?

[Dresta]

Well, men throughout history have traditionally been required to serve in the military.

I don't know why that of the two groups, you feel sorry for the group that doesn't get to vote over the group that has to risk life and limb.
This is what I find funny. The strange delusion that Christian patriarchy and marriage was a means to oppress women, when it was actually more a means of protecting them in a world riddled with dangers and existential threats. Women were really the bulwark of the Christian faith, and it is a faith that clearly keeps female interests constantly in mind, unlike Islam, for example (something feminists are laughably slow to condemn, no less).

It is no coincidence that pretty much all the countries where women are seen more equally, are of Christian heritage.


MRA will have trouble getting off the ground, because men don't like to ask for help. Having a legal battle over men's rights is like, whining to the teacher that the girl stole your batman pencil.

But obviously, there are laws that are oppressive towards men. But nobody wants to hear it, because men aren't supposed to complain.
Basically. I've heard a fair few stories (some first hand, others through proxy) about men with good careers and jobs, being completely screwed out of seeing their children by vindictive bitches who have the legal system on their side (while also being forced to pay them money), and this is not only relayed by men, but women too. It does happen, and reproductive rights aren't anything close to equal (and are inherently contradictory in nature).

[NumberSix]

This is what I find funny. The strange delusion that Christian patriarchy and marriage was a means to oppress women, when it was actually more a means of protecting them in a world riddled with dangers and existential threats. Women were really the bulwark of the Christian faith, and it is a faith that clearly keeps female interests constantly in mind, unlike Islam, for example (something feminists are laughably slow to condemn, no less).

It is no coincidence that pretty much all the countries where women are seen more equally, are of Christian heritage.


Basically. I've heard a fair few stories (some first hand, others through proxy) about men with good careers and jobs, being completely screwed out of seeing their children by vindictive bitches who have the legal system on their side (while also being forced to pay them money), and this is not only relayed by men, but women too. It does happen, and reproductive rights aren't anything close to equal (and are inherently contradictory in nature).
I'm not remotely an "MRA", but there is something inherently absurd about 1 person having 100% of the choice and 50% of the responsibility.

[longtime lurker]

That's very dumb

Very very dumb

This MRA's are huge fvcking morons. Men aren't currently being oppressed or has there been a history of oppression. Next thing you tell me is ladies night is sexist....

[NumberSix]

This MRA's are huge fvcking morons. Men aren't currently being oppressed or has there been a history of oppression. Next thing you tell me is ladies night is sexist....
Nobody is being "oppressed". The law can never be perfect, so there are legitimate issues here and there, but there is no group in the western world that is being oppressed.

[jongib369]

This MRA's are huge fvcking morons. Men aren't currently being oppressed or has there been a history of oppression. Next thing you tell me is ladies night is sexist....
On the fence about all of this so I'm just observing everyone's opinions....But stating that there are a few things in our society that favor one sex over the other isn't saying men are oppressed...Or that we don't have more advantages....But rather that there are just things about it that need to be fixed, if we're going to be fixing things for them as well.

The one example I mentioned about women serving significantly less jail time than men is wrong, is it not? It's not on the same level or anything, but it reminds me how African Americans serve more time for the same crimes...It's not on the same level, or nearly as disgusting as that, but it's still a problem.

All I'm saying is if you ignore the selfish bastards who have agendas, or are just straight up ignorant....Why would feminists hate it so much? Since that's the reason people don't like them, assholes on their side tendmake the most noise.

MRA if followed correctly should hold all the educated opinions feminists have, but serves to represent the gender they are and their problems (different from opression)

They should be twin brother/sister movements

[NumberSix]

The one example I mentioned about women serving significantly less jail time than men is wrong, is it not? It's not on the same level or anything, but it reminds me how African Americans serve more time for the same crimes...It's not on the same level, or nearly as disgusting as that, but it's still a problem.
Actually, the discrepancy between male and female is much bigger than the discrepancy between black and white.

The problem though is, we don't actually care about differences in sentencing. Some people just pretend to care about selective discrepancies. Some people pretend to care about white on black violence (even though it's pretty rare) but when have you ever heard anything about the epidemic of Hispanic on black violence and black on Asian violence?

[longtime lurker]

Nobody is being "oppressed". The law can never be perfect, so there are legitimate issues here and there, but there is no group in the western world that is being oppressed.

I've read through this thread and these "legitimate issues" sound like a bunch of whiny bullsh!t. Nothing concrete backed up with data has been provided.

[NumberSix]

You don't own other peoples lives. If a woman is very cautious and wants to be suspicious of all men, that's her choice. If a white person for whatever reason is more cautious around black people, that's there choice. If a gay dude fells more suspicious of "bro" types, that's their choice.

We don't need to be in people's heads telling them what they should be careful of.

[NumberSix]

Oppression doesn't have to be a legal matter it can be a cultural thing
Nobody is being "culturally oppressed" either.

[NumberSix]

Really bruh? Really?


Really?


This is the most unchecked white male privilege post of all time
The west is ridiculously, bend over backwards "accept everybody" politically correct. There will always be individuals here and there who just don't like certain kinds of people, but to act like as an overall society we promote alienating any particular group from the general society is "rape culture" level dishonesty. We actually do the exact opposite and obsessively promote inclusivity.

[longtime lurker]

On the fence about all of this so I'm just observing everyone's opinions....But stating that there are a few things in our society that favor one sex over the other isn't saying men are oppressed...Or that we don't have more advantages....But rather that there are just things about it that need to be fixed, if we're going to be fixing things for them as well.

The one example I mentioned about women serving significantly less jail time than men is wrong, is it not? It's not on the same level or anything, but it reminds me how African Americans serve more time for the same crimes...It's not on the same level, or nearly as disgusting as that, but it's still a problem.

All I'm saying is if you ignore the selfish bastards who have agendas, or are just straight up ignorant....Why would feminists hate it so much? Since that's the reason people don't like them, assholes on their side tendmake the most noise.

MRA if followed correctly should hold all the educated opinions feminists have, but serves to represent the gender they are and their problems (different from opression)

They should be twin brother/sister movements

Well this point you bring up is a valid, but it still doesn't have to do anything with men's rights. There is no systemic discrimination aimed at men. You even yourself said that it's something that affects African Americans which under the subset includes both women and men. It just shows how screwed up and biased the justice system is. A logical solution to solve the problem would be blind juries and blind trials. The funny thing is that African American activists have been pointing out these equalities for years, but its fallen on death ears. If politicians had moved to improve the justice system for African Americans than there would have been a ripple effect that men would have benefited from as well.

Presumably feminists dislike the MRA movement because they're trying to create false equivalencies to somehow paint themselves as disadvantaged. There are varying degrees of feminists, some just want equality for women across a range of social issues and then there are the extreme ones who you'll never change their opinion.

[NumberSix]

Well this point you bring up is a valid, but it still doesn't have to do anything with men's rights. There is no systemic discrimination aimed at men. You even yourself said that it's something that affects African Americans which under the subset includes both women and men. It just shows how screwed up and biased the justice system is. A logical solution to solve the problem would be blind juries and blind trials. The funny thing is that African American activists have been pointing out these equalities for years, but its fallen on death ears. If politicians had moved to improve the justice system for African Americans than there would have been a ripple effect that men would have benefited from as well.

Presumably feminists dislike the MRA movement because they're trying to create false equivalencies to somehow paint themselves as disadvantaged. There are varying degrees of feminists, some just want equality for women across a range of social issues and then there are the extreme ones who you'll never change their opinion.
In my experience, feminists make up a very small percentage of the overall feminist movement. It's largely been co-opted by socialists and communism advocates who disingenuously use the "women's rights" platform for their own purposes. It's no coincidence that at all these alleged feminist events you see plenty of USSR flags and Che Guevara shirts.

[longtime lurker]

In my experience, feminists make up a very small percentage of the overall feminist movement. It's largely been co-opted by socialists and communism advocates who disingenuously use the "women's rights" platform for their own purposes. It's no coincidence that at all these alleged feminist events you see plenty of USSR flags and Che Guevara shirts.

That's where I stopped reading. So are you going to say anything of substance or just continue to rant about feminism.


White guy knows what it's like to be black guy or muslim guy or white woman, ignores everything they say "nah everything is cool, trust me I'm a white guy"

For some reason sports forums are the biggest cesspools of white male privilege. Even stranger that it happens on a lot of basketball forums.

[NumberSix]

That's where I stopped reading. So are you going to say anything of substance or just continue to rant about feminism.
If you would have bothered reading, you would have seen that I didn't remotely "rant about feminism", but rather explained that most of the people who give feminism a bad name are not actually feminists.

Stay classy.

[NumberSix]

The west is ridiculously trying to improve things. Why can't we just accept things as they are? I'm a white guy and I like it just fine.
By who's measure? You want society to be shaped the particular way YOU want it. I just want people to have the freedom to live their own lives how they see fit. Neither is inherently right or wrong and there is no universal truth to it. But everything comes at a cost.

The cost of the societal shaping that you want is that YOUR opinion of improvement isn't shared by everybody and people are more limited in the ability to make their own choices. The cost of freedom is that other people are free to do things you don't like or find immoral.

[NumberSix]

Yeah you have the freedom to be a dick but it'd be nice for society if we had less people being dick s

How outrageous!
What amount of freedom are you willing to relinquish for the sake of forcing people to not act like a dick? Are you willing to have all phone calls and emails monitored to make sure no terrorists plan to act like a dick? Are you willing to ban free speech in public to make sure no racists get together to act like a dick? Are you willing to jail flag-burners for the sake of forcing people not to act like a dick?

There's no truly right or wrong answer. But, history shows that people generally prefer freedom (even with the negative consequences) over societal engineering. People don't leave America on homemade rafts to get into Cuba. That's a one way street. People from mainland china risked everything to sneak into honk kong. People from Hong Kong didn't try to sneak into china.