James Harden: The Man, The Myth, The Potential Legend

[RightToCensor]

6-5, 222 lbs. sounds like an average shooting guard right? Add Drew-League handles, a knockdown 3 point shot, an ability to get to the Free Throw line, a left hand dribble and what do you get? The most unguardable player in the league.


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If you're tuning through NBA Games and suddenly stop on the 46-22 Houston Rockets you're likely to see the ball in James Harden's hand either euro-stepping his way through traffic, taking a three off the dribble, or on the free throw line. If you're an outsider looking in you think to yourself, "Why is this guy so effective? How does he get so many calls? How does he have 46 wins in a stacked West? What makes James Harden so good?" To answer all those questions, I'll respond by saying that James Harden is the best player in the league and the greatest offensive SG since Michael Jeffery Jordan.


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Look deep into James Harden's production as a Houston Rocket:

(using bbref with the criteria of players 6-4 to 6-7 that are guards)

PPG (27), APG (7), and WS (sorted): Ranks 9th behind Big O, Jordan, and Wade

AST% (34.8) and WS (sorted): Ranks 5th behind Big O, Gary Payton, and Dwyane Wade

USG% (30.0) and WS (sorted): Ranks 16th behind Michael Jordan (10), Kobe, Dwyane Wade

TS% (.600) and WS (sorted): Ranks 7th through 9th behind Jordan, Penny, and Ray Allen


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Harden meanwhile has reached a place where some fans can consider him an all-time great playmaker at the position, maybe the best of second behind "The Logo" Jerry West. In fact before he got to Houston it was how he made his name; nobody thought he was anything like the scorer he is now, what most people saw in him was the ability to get the offensive engine running at far higher octane than either Russell Westbrook or Kevin Durant could do by themselves. Most people didn't see him reaching MVP level via scoring, but rather as running an offense if he were ever to reach that level.


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James Harden entered the Houston Rockets fresh off winning the Sixth Man of the Year award, winning the Gold Medal in the 2012 London Olympics, and an unfortunate loss in the NBA Finals against Lebron James, Dwyane Wade and the Miami Heat. Fans never knew how James Harden would translate as going from the main option off the bench to the main option on an entire team, but we knew one thing, that James Harden would mean more to the Oklahoma City than they think he meant. Throughout three season, 145 wins, and 1835 free throws later James Harden would establish himself as the greatest backcourt player in the history of the Houston Rockets' 48 seasons as a team. This season, The Beard is leading the running for the 2014 NBA Most Valuable Player award, if he were to win the award he'd be in the company of his own as players who won have the Sixth Man of the Year before being named MVP of the league.


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So lets go over James Harden's potential for All-Time Greatness:

Age: 25 (5th Season)
Current Per Game Averages: 27.0 PPG, 7.0 APG, 5.8 RPG, 1.9 SPG, .601 TS%, 26.3 PER, .258 WS/48
Career Per Game Averages (HOU): 26.1 PPG, 6.3 APG, 5.1 RPG, 1.8 SPG, .606 TS%, 24.1 PER, .227 WS/48
Awards: 2012 Western Conference Champion, 2012 London Olympic Gold Medalist, 2012 Sixth Man of the Year, 2014 FIBA World Cup Gold Medalist, 3x NBA All-Star, 2x? All-NBA First Team (2014, 2015?), All-NBA Third Team (2013), 2015 NBA Most Valuable Player?


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[dubeta]

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[TylerOO]

Rare pic of James Harden in the playoffs

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[navy]

tldr better show up in the postseason

[RightToCensor]

The hate is real. Harden's gonna be better than Wade, deal with it.

[Proctor]

Key word in the title: myth. :cheers:

[RightToCensor]

Key word in the title: myth. :cheers:
He's the most unique player in the league and great analysts can't explain why the Rockets are so successful even with him stopping the ball movement for 10 straight seconds.

His ball handling is the best for a player of his size or taller. His ability to get to the FTA leaves people in awe. He's just so revolutionary, threes and layups are all he takes but still finds a way to become the league's second best scorer per game.

We are witnesses.

[Smoke117]

He's the most unique player in the league and great analysts can't explain why the Rockets are so successful even with him stopping the ball movement for 10 straight seconds.

His ball handling is the best for a player of his size or taller. His ability to get to the FTA leaves people in awe. He's just so revolutionary, threes and layups are all he takes but still finds a way to become the league's second best scorer per game.

We are witnesses.

...he's a poor mans Wade before his knee troubles. How is that unique?

[RightToCensor]

...he's a poor mans Wade before his knee troubles. How is that unique?
I didn't know Wade hit threes, please tell me more.



Wade was the most unique SG of his day with his slashing, passing, ball handling, and athleticism.

Add a three point shot to him and he's an All-Time great in terms of talent.

[Rodmantheman]

Can someone post that pic with harden's ugly face zoomed in and upside down can't find it.

[TripleA]

Dwyane wade
Playoffs prime
2004 Miami 13 13 39.2 .455 .375 .787 4.0 5.6 1.3 .3 18.0
2005 Miami 14 14 40.8 .484 .100 .799 5.7 6.6 1.6 1.1 27.4
2006

[navy]

Dwyane wade
Playoffs prime
2004 Miami 13 13 39.2 .455 .375 .787 4.0 5.6 1.3 .3 18.0
2005 Miami 14 14 40.8 .484 .100 .799 5.7 6.6 1.6 1.1 27.4
2006†Miami 23 23 41.7 .497 .378 .808 5.9 5.7 2.2 1.1 28.4
2007 Miami 4 4 40.5 .429 .000 .688 4.8 6.3 1.3 .5 23.5
2009 Miami 7 7 40.7 .439 .360 .862 5.0 5.3 .9 1.6 29.1
2010 Miami 5 5 42.0 .564 .405 .675 5.6 6.8 1.6 1.6 33.2
James Harden
Playoffs prime
2013 Houston 6 6 40.5 .391 .341 .803 6.7 4.5 2.0 1.0 26.3
2014 Houston 6 6 43.8 .376 .296 .900 4.7 5.8 2.0 .2 26.8


when James harden shoots over 40% in the playoffs and wins fmvp he can talk but until then shut up

take the L
We gonna act like Rookie Wade didnt play better than James Harden? :biggums:

[aj1987]

Dwyane wade
Playoffs prime
2004 Miami 13 13 39.2 .455 .375 .787 4.0 5.6 1.3 .3 18.0
2005 Miami 14 14 40.8 .484 .100 .799 5.7 6.6 1.6 1.1 27.4
2006†Miami 23 23 41.7 .497 .378 .808 5.9 5.7 2.2 1.1 28.4
2007 Miami 4 4 40.5 .429 .000 .688 4.8 6.3 1.3 .5 23.5
2009 Miami 7 7 40.7 .439 .360 .862 5.0 5.3 .9 1.6 29.1
2010 Miami 5 5 42.0 .564 .405 .675 5.6 6.8 1.6 1.6 33.2
James Harden
Playoffs prime
2013 Houston 6 6 40.5 .391 .341 .803 6.7 4.5 2.0 1.0 26.3
2014 Houston 6 6 43.8 .376 .296 .900 4.7 5.8 2.0 .2 26.8


when James harden shoots over 40% in the playoffs and wins fmvp he can talk but until then shut up

take the L
'11 and '12 are still prime Wade.

2011 Miami 21 21 39.4 .485 .269 .777 7.1 4.4 1.6 1.3 24.5
2012 Miami 23 23 39.4 .462 .294 .729 5.2 4.3 1.7 1.3 22.8

[NZStreetBaller]

since when did defense become irrelevant to the game of basketball:wtf:

James harden might as well play for AND1

[Smoke117]

Dwyane wade
Playoffs prime
2004 Miami 13 13 39.2 .455 .375 .787 4.0 5.6 1.3 .3 18.0
2005 Miami 14 14 40.8 .484 .100 .799 5.7 6.6 1.6 1.1 27.4
2006†Miami 23 23 41.7 .497 .378 .808 5.9 5.7 2.2 1.1 28.4
2007 Miami 4 4 40.5 .429 .000 .688 4.8 6.3 1.3 .5 23.5
2009 Miami 7 7 40.7 .439 .360 .862 5.0 5.3 .9 1.6 29.1
2010 Miami 5 5 42.0 .564 .405 .675 5.6 6.8 1.6 1.6 33.2
2011 Miami 21 21 39.4 .485 .269 .777 7.1 4.4 1.6 1.3 24.5
2012 Miami 23 23 39.4 .462 .294 .729 5.2 4.3 1.7 1.3 22.8

James Harden
Playoffs prime
2013 Houston 6 6 40.5 .391 .341 .803 6.7 4.5 2.0 1.0 26.3
2014 Houston 6 6 43.8 .376 .296 .900 4.7 5.8 2.0 .2 26.8


when James harden shoots over 40% in the playoffs and wins fmvp he can talk but until then shut up

take the L

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[TripleA]

RightoCensor getting recked

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[RightToCensor]

Peak Wade = 43 wins in the East
25 Year Old James Harden= 2nd seed in West

Deal with it. Keep supporting that empty statted Crimson Chin lookin ass *****. We play for rings, get out of my thread you plebs.

[Smoke117]

Peak Wade = 43 wins in the East
25 Year Old James Harden= 2nd seed in West

Deal with it. Keep supporting that empty statted Crimson Chin lookin ass *****. We play for rings, get out of my thread you plebs.

Dwyane Wade: 3 championships, 1 FMVP

James Harden: ...


:yaohappy:

[MEB2kDeez]

Wade won a ship by his 3rd year, Harden was choking in playoffs in his 3rd year+

[navy]

Dwyane Wade: 3 championships, 1 FMVP

James Harden: ...


:yaohappy:
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[SamuraiSWISH]

Harden better than Kobe and Wade offensively? LOL Jesus Christ. Guy is non existent in the meaningful post season when refs swallow their whistles.

[bobopenguin]

RightoCensor need to come back here and continue this conversation with all these challenging comebacks!!

[SCdac]

Man how old are some of these Rockets fans? ... act like you've seen a great player before and pull it together

[Tking714]

Wade was more ungaurdable, albeit a very short prime. One of the fastest players to ever play. Dude had AI speed in a 6'4" body with the arm length of a 7 footer.

[aj1987]

Peak Wade = 43 wins in the East
25 Year Old James Harden= 2nd seed in West

Deal with it. Keep supporting that empty statted Crimson Chin lookin ass *****. We play for rings, get out of my thread you plebs.
22 Year old ROOKIE Wade = 2nd round in the PO's hitting game winners.
23 Year old Wade = 2nd seed in the NBA and ECF
24 Year old Wade = Ring and MVP

You were saying?

[Sarcastic]

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He's clearly playing zone here and staying in his spot in these gifs, and I think he's trying to shade the lane in one of them as well.

Well done, Harden, well done.

[RightToCensor]

22 Year old ROOKIE Wade = 2nd round in the PO's hitting game winners.
23 Year old Wade = 2nd seed in the NBA and ECF
24 Year old Wade = Ring and MVP

You were saying?
tl'dr

Weak conference
Stacked team
Prime Shaq
Prime Joey Crawford
Pat Riley
Asterisk Ring
Sidekick Rings
Never an MVP
Peak Season= 43 wins

[miles berg]

He isn't a star. He is just propped up by a great situation. He will wilt in the playoff pressure like he always has.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

He isn't a star. He is just propped up by a great situation. He will wilt in the playoff pressure like he always has.

Will he wilt or will he Wilt though? :oldlol:

Seriously though, we'll have to wait and see how he does. The guy has a pretty terrible playoff record so far but it's through only 2 years as a first option. I'm doubtful from a personal standpoint but he's been a monster all year.

[navy]

Will he wilt or will he Wilt though? :oldlol:

Seriously though, we'll have to wait and see how he does. The guy has a pretty terrible playoff record so far but it's through only 2 years as a first option. I'm doubtful from a personal standpoint but he's been a monster all year.
Yeah, the Rockets arent going anywhere. Harden better show up though.

[FPJ]

Interesting how no one is arguing why Kobe's better :oldlol:

[Tking714]

He isn't a star. He is just propped up by a great situation. He will wilt in the playoff pressure like he always has.

He's definitely a star, but he's more in the Danny Granger/Gilbert Arenas/Ray Allen tier. He's not in that Prime Wade/Lebron/Kobe tier

[Tking714]

Interesting how no one is arguing why Kobe's better :oldlol:

No need to argue. Multiple 30ppg seasons, 5 rings, Multiple all defensive teams. Harden's season is good, but Kobe has multiple that have been better.

[MEB2kDeez]

Interesting how no one is arguing why Kobe's better :oldlol:
No need to.

Even 36 yr old, broken down Kobe was chosen over Harden for All Star before injuries. So, why should we have to argue about a Peak/Prime Kobe being better?

[Kingwillball]

He's definitely a star, but he's more in the Danny Granger/Gilbert Arenas/Ray Allen tier. He's not in that Prime Wade/Lebron/Kobe tier

This is a fair post..

[Keno]

james harden: the free throw machine*

[04mzwach]

D-whistle or Harden-whistle? Is it too soon to compare who gets better treatment from refs? Remember the epic Mavs finals where he went what looked untouched and refs blew their whistles to get Wade at that free throw line. Wade giving speeches on how he was talking to himself that he can make free throws before the game. :applause:

found video about it to update folks that didn't see it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2zonUdXJkQ

[Micku]

Don't like to watch Harden play style, but it's effective. You gott'a give him props for being the main dude and holding the fort when Howard went down. It's like they don't even need him to be successful.

All he needs to do is not lay an egg in the playoffs.

[inclinerator]

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[ImKobe]

Interesting how no one is arguing why Kobe's better :oldlol:

What is there to argue?

Harden literally has nothing to offer :roll:

[sd3035]

The myth is that he might win a title

[aj1987]

tl'dr

Weak conference
Stacked team
Prime Shaq
Prime Joey Crawford
Pat Riley
Asterisk Ring
Sidekick Rings
Never an MVP
Peak Season= 43 wins
tl;dr - Harden stan SHOOK!

[IncarceratedBob]

since when did defense become irrelevant to the game of basketball:wtf:

James harden might as well play for AND1
It's called basketball not defense ball. it's about putting the ball in the BASKET and harden is elite at it

[YouGotServed]

Is anyone legitimately trying to argue peak Wade is better than current Harden? :facepalm Did prime Wade even get to 45 wins in a weak Eastern Conference?

Jesus Christ is like you guys don't even watch basketball.

[greatest-ever]

:rant
The hate is real. Harden's gonna be better than Wade, deal with it.
Based on what other than you being dumb?

If Harden keeps underperforming in the playoffs, this statement will continue to be laughable.

[greatest-ever]

Is anyone legitimately trying to argue peak Wade is better than current Harden? :facepalm Did prime Wade even get to 45 wins in a weak Eastern Conference?

Jesus Christ is like you guys don't even watch basketball.
Lol what? Based on this absurd statement it appears you are the one who didn't watch peak or prime Wade.

Forget team record and look at the context here. Wade's supporting cast was a rookie chalmers, haslem, beasley, a washed up jermaine oneal who barely played and Marion who also was hurt and barely played. The Rockets even without Dwight is a much better cast than what Wade had there.

Statistically Wade is just better:

Wade 30.2 ppg 5 rebounds 7.5 assists 3.4 turnovers .574 ts% 49 fg% 30.4 PER
Harden 27.1 ppg 5.8 rebs 7 assist 4 turnovers .602 ts% 44 fg% 26.6 PER

And the stats don't include defense which wade was way better at and finished 3rd in DPOY.

Educate yourself man. Are you 13 years old and too young to remember peak Wade or what?

I would take 09, 06 and 2010 Wade over Harden easily.

[greatest-ever]

Peak Wade = 43 wins in the East
25 Year Old James Harden= 2nd seed in West

Deal with it. Keep supporting that empty statted Crimson Chin lookin ass *****. We play for rings, get out of my thread you plebs.
Look at my response to "yougotserved" on page 4 and see how you are factually incorrect.

[RightToCensor]

Peak Wade= 43 wins


There's no excusing that. Keep hating.

[YouGotServed]

Peak Wade= 43 wins


There's no excusing that. Keep hating.

I've yet to see a convincing argument that counters this. If Wade is soooo much better than Harden, why is Harden's team literally half a game behind having the 3rd best record in the NBA, whilst Wade's team couldn't even sniff 45 wins in a pathetic ass historically weak Eastern Conference?

:oldlol: Keep hating.

Clutch City stay winning.

Harden is EASILY better than any version of Wade. Deal with it.

[aj1987]

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This dude ain't even better than '13 Wade and we talkin about prime Wade? :oldlol:

[dubeta]

^ Wade holding bran's championships

[Ancient Legend]

[FONT="Arial Black"][SIZE="4"]6-5, 222 lbs. sounds like an average shooting guard right? Add Drew-League handles, a knockdown 3 point shot, an ability to get to the Free Throw line, a left hand dribble and what do you get? The most unguardable player in the league.


Unguardable you say? This dude locked him up

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6qmF3r3K7s

[RightToCensor]

These dudes are relegated to posting gifs. If I had no life I'd go online to find gifs that prop up Harden and show Wade holding his eye, getting dunked on, losing to Kobe at the buzzer, and with ice on his knees. Sadly, I have better things to do that waste ten minutes of my life doing that.

I support my opinions with facts, not pictures.

43 Wins, inexcusable.

[RightToCensor]

I seem to remember Harden putting up a 33 point and 34 point game against the crappy Warriors this season.

Stay in your place, son.

[Ancient Legend]

I seem to remember Harden putting up a 33 point and 34 point game against the crappy Warriors this season.

Stay in your place, son.

33 pts and 0-4 against the Warriors. Sure pal, Harden is a Myth in that he is not nearly as good as his stats show.

[YouGotServed]

These dudes are relegated to posting gifs. If I had no life I'd go online to find gifs that prop up Harden and show Wade holding his eye, getting dunked on, losing to Kobe at the buzzer, and with ice on his knees. Sadly, I have better things to do that waste ten minutes of my life doing that.

I support my opinions with facts, not pictures.

43 Wins, inexcusable.

Rat poison. :roll:

[aj1987]

^ Wade holding bran's championships
LeBron was on the '06 Heat team?


These dudes are relegated to posting gifs. If I had no life I'd go online to find gifs that prop up Harden and show Wade holding his eye, getting dunked on, losing to Kobe at the buzzer, and with ice on his knees. Sadly, I have better things to do that waste ten minutes of my life doing that.

I support my opinions with facts, not pictures.

43 Wins, inexcusable.
22 Year old ROOKIE Wade = 2nd round in the PO's hitting game winners
23 Year old Wade = 2nd seed in the NBA and ECF
24 Year old Wade = Ring and MVP

22 Year old Harden = MASSIVE Finals choke
23 Year old Harden = Raped by the Thunder in the Playoffs
24 Year old Harden = Raped by the Blazers in the Playoffs

Those are facts, right?

[RightToCensor]

LeBron was on the '06 Heat team?


22 Year old ROOKIE Wade = 2nd round in the PO's hitting game winners
23 Year old Wade = 2nd seed in the NBA and ECF
24 Year old Wade = Ring and MVP

22 Year old Harden = MASSIVE Finals choke
23 Year old Harden = Raped by the Thunder in the Playoffs
24 Year old Harden = Raped by the Blazers in the Playoffs

Those are facts, right?
tl'dr

Weak conference
Stacked team
Prime Shaq
Prime Joey Crawford
Pat Riley
Asterisk Ring
Sidekick Rings
Never an MVP
Peak Season= 43 wins
Stats emptier than knees

[dubeta]

Now that I think about it, there's literally no SG I respect.

Harden is literally a scrub masquerading as an NBA player

I also think Wade is overrated, not huge fans of Kobe, or Jordan, there's literally no SG I think is really all that.

Except maybe Manu Ginobli, the last alpha SG in the league, dude straight up destroyed the Pistons for that 2005 championships.

:applause:

[aj1987]

tl'dr

Weak conference
Stacked team
Prime Shaq
Prime Joey Crawford
Pat Riley
Asterisk Ring
Sidekick Rings
Never an MVP
Peak Season= 43 wins
Stats emptier than knees
tl;dr

Shook Haren stan.

Ready for another first round exit? :roll:

[RightToCensor]

Thanks for reminding me that Prime Wade (43 wins) got bounced in the 1st round.

Congrats.

We don't do that shit in H-Town. Harden is clearly superior this season and will perform better than anything D-Whistle did in that weak ass conference.

[aj1987]

Thanks for reminding me that Prime Wade (43 wins) got bounced in the 1st round.

Congrats.

We don't do that shit in H-Town. Harden is clearly superior this season and will perform better than anything D-Whistle did in that weak ass conference.
Shook. :oldlol:

Incoming first round exit. :roll:

[Jacks3]

Prime Wade shits on Harden and I hate Wade.

[Dresta]

Could anyone imagine prime Wade getting bounced in the first round with a big man averaging 26/14 (with 3 bpg) and another 20 ppg scorer? Really? Because Harden somehow managed that shit. How? Oh yeah, by playing like complete shit, shooting sub 40%, being a turnstile on defense, and freezing at the end of close games

James Harden everybody!

:roll:

[YouGotServed]

Harden haters in meltdown mode. :oldlol: This is hilariously entertaining.

[TripleA]

Harden could of had a ring already if he did not choke in finals against miami.

[dubeta]

Neither Wade or Harden were really all that, lets just leave it at that.

[SaltyMeatballs]

Wade is a great player, one of the GOAT shooting guards. Harden is only 25, and has the potential to be really amazing. Let's just end it right there.

[Dresta]

D-whistle or Harden-whistle? Is it too soon to compare who gets better treatment from refs? Remember the epic Mavs finals where he went what looked untouched and refs blew their whistles to get Wade at that free throw line. Wade giving speeches on how he was talking to himself that he can make free throws before the game. :applause:

found video about it to update folks that didn't see it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2zonUdXJkQ
What's funny is that you didn't even watch that video because he concludes that the calls evened out and that the refs weren't why Miami won. He even said 'throw the refs and all that nonsense out' - Dirk basically wasn't making enough shots, Wade was - simples.

[aj1987]

What's funny is that you didn't even watch that video because he concludes that the calls evened out and that the refs weren't why Miami won. He even said 'throw the refs and all that nonsense out' - Dirk basically wasn't making enough shots, Wade was - simples.
https://youtu.be/X2zonUdXJkQ?t=8m20s

He should watch it from there.

He probably should've watched the first minute.

https://youtu.be/X2zonUdXJkQ?t=30s

[CountDracula]

https://i.ibb.co/SK5p5hD/28-F14326-B8-DE-49-D5-B585-5381-E2-D73635.jpg (https://ibb.co/MRZLZYy)

[GimmeThat]

when he came into the league, I had him as some type of Marcus Smart, big, physical, bothers smaller guards from getting to the cup. As he developed, I'd say he's a Marcus Smart + Michael Redd given the right make up of championship team.

I thought Westbrook was an extremely athletic John Stockton, I think he turned out to be a Magic Johnson type without the reliance of a team concept to play the passing lane.

[Jasper]

Key word in the title: myth. :cheers:

10 4 fluff bag in playoffs = pretender

[brownmamba00]

Someone said he's better than prime Wade:lol