all these players have a case for GOAT depending on whats valued most by a fan

[kennethgriffin]

Kareem abdul Jabbar - Goat career

Bill Russell - Goat winner

Wilt Chamberlain - Goat prime

Kobe Bryant - Goat skills

Magic Johnson - Goat Leader

Michael jordan - Goat mixture of everything while lacking a bit at every aspect

[Milbuck]

Kobe raped a woman in Colorado.

[sd3035]

Kobe GOAT missed field goals

[iTare]

Kobe is not the most skilled. Sorry mate.

[Smoke117]

I'd call you a c*cksucker, but I know you're trying to quit.

[ClipperRevival]

Kareem abdul Jabbar - Goat career

Bill Russell - Goat winner

Wilt Chamberlain - Goat prime

Kobe Bryant - Goat skills

Magic Johnson - Goat Leader

Michael jordan - Goat mixture of everything while lacking a bit at every aspect

Nope. GOAT is looking at the entire body of work. From college to peak to longevity to individual accomplishments to team accomplishments to skills to clutch. When you do that, you are only left with two. KAJ and MJ.

Russell didn't even have much of an offensive game and he ruled the league when the talent pool was questionable. How can you be the GOAT if you can't even dominate offensively?

Wilt choked in the playoffs time and time again. His peak does not compensate for this.

Magic? Didn't play D and falls short of MJ and KAj in both team and individual hardware.

If you are being objective, you can come up with only MJ or KAJ.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kareem abdul Jabbar - Goat career

Bill Russell - Goat winner

Wilt Chamberlain - Goat prime

Kobe Bryant - Goat skills

Magic Johnson - Goat Leader

Michael jordan - Goat mixture of everything while lacking a bit at every aspect

These two have no argument for GOAT

[ArbitraryWater]

Agreed... if fans value raping, Kobe does have a case :confusedshrug:

[iTare]

kobe did rape a woman

[Dr Seuss]

Nope. GOAT is looking at the entire body of work. From college to peak to longevity to individual accomplishments to team accomplishments to skills to clutch. When you do that, you are only left with two. KAJ and MJ.



if those are your qualifications, then kobe falls in the category as well. minus that whole arbitrary college part. however, im not saying hes GOAT, just saying he meets your standards.

[Cocaine80s]

The only skill Kobe is GOAT in is rape

[ClipperRevival]

if those are your qualifications, then kobe falls in the category as well. minus that whole arbitrary college part. however, im not saying hes GOAT, just saying he meets your standards.

Well, MJ has 5 regular season mvps, Kobe has one. Mj won 6 rings as"the man" and Kobe has 2 as "the man". Kobe loses out to MJ any way you look at it. That's why he's a tier below. I will admit though that at his peak, Kobe might've been the most devastating wing scorer ever because he had 3 point range. But that's not nearly enough to sniff MJ territory.

[iTare]

Kareem abdul Jabbar - Goat career

Bill Russell - Goat winner

Wilt Chamberlain - Goat prime

Kobe Bryant - Goat skills

Magic Johnson - Goat Leader

Michael jordan - Goat mixture of everything while lacking a bit at every aspect
http://i49.tinypic.com/dbo3rc.gif

[dubeta]

Wilt & LeBron have arguments for that

:facepalm


LeBrons last 3 finals stats (only time in his career where he had an above average team so he wasnt constantly double teamed like in 2007 and 2011) :

29/11/7

25/11/7

28/8/4 on 58% FG and 68% TS

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe is not the most skilled. Sorry mate.


Hard to argue against kobe being most skilled

Small hands. No athletic advantage over most defenders from 2004-2015

The off hand, post game, footwork, every shot in the book, sky hooks, dirk step backs, jordan fades, 40 foot threes, shooting 34% beyond the arc while taking 95% of his shots over defenders without space inbetween. Great rebounder for his height. Great playmaker for his position. Only 2 guys with more scoring records and they both played against nothing but people who were slower, smaller in weaker eras for competition at their position (wilt/mj)

No ones more fundamental than kobe. He could be 5-11 or 7-2 and dominate the game

[dubeta]

Hard to argue against kobe being most skilled

Small hands. No athletic advantage over most defenders from 2004-2015

The off hand, post game, footwork, every shot in the book, sky hooks, dirk step backs, jordan fades, 40 foot threes, shooting 34% beyond the arc while taking 95% of his shots over defenders without space inbetween. Great rebounder for his height. Great playmaker for his position. Only 2 guys with more scoring records and they both played against nothing but people who were slower, smaller in weaker eras for competition at their position (wilt/mj)

No ones more fundamental than kobe. He could be 5-11 or 7-2 and dominate the game

How is Kobe more skilled than even Kyrie Irving or Steph Curry? :facepalm

[Akrazotile]

Things Kobe has an argument for:

Most selfish player in NBA history

Most inefficient player in NBA history

Worst Finals performer in NBA history

Most missed shots in NBA History

Worst MVP ratio of any great (1/19)

Biggest ego in NBA history


Things Kobe does not have an argument for:

GOAT


Gawd DAMN, uncut rat poison :eek:

[SouBeachTalents]

:facepalm


LeBrons last 3 finals stats (only time in his career where he had an above average team so he wasnt constantly double teamed like in 2007 and 2011) :

29/11/7

25/11/7

28/8/4 on 58% FG and 68% TS

Career Finals stats

LeBron: 24, 9, 6, 45%
Kobe: 25, 6, 5, 42%

They both underperform relative to their prime career averages

[ShawkFactory]

:roll:

This thread is so much win. OP getting sliced like the old shogun.

[swagga]

Kobe raped a woman in Colorado.

https://i.imgflip.com/jf27c.jpg

[3ball]

Kareem abdul Jabbar - Goat career

Bill Russell - Goat winner

Wilt Chamberlain - Goat prime

Kobe Bryant - Goat skills

Magic Johnson - Goat Leader

Michael jordan - Goat mixture of everything while lacking a bit at every aspect
for all those guys, you can say "well, XXX is a drawback to their ability and/or career."

i.e. kareem was 2nd fiddle for most of his rings and has a huge FMVP deficit... wilt only won 2 rings and underachieved (ala Shaq)... russell's offense was only above-average... Kobe was a 6'6" Iverson with his chucking and poor efficiency

but what's MJ's drawback?... he doesn't have one... that's why he has the best all-round case for GOAT - no weaknessees... it's not close actually - deep down everyone knows this but it's fun to sing "kumbaya" instead

[Im Still Ballin]

Come on 3ball

Give him a flurry of chest to chest poster GIFs

Don't hold back

[kennethgriffin]

How is Kobe more skilled than even Kyrie Irving or Steph Curry? :facepalm


Ummmm...


Other than threes and handles wtf are they better at?

Can they post up?
Can they defend?
Can they do hooks?
Can they shoot over a double team without a dribble?
Can they lob to themselves off the backboard?
Can they do behind the back 360 dunks?
Can they do reverse pivot shots?
Can they do fade aways over double teams?
Can they shoot left handed threes?
can they play with broken hands?
Can they play with torn shoulders?
Can they play with dislocated arms, fingers?
Can they win multiple titles without a legendary sidekick?


kobe is basically jordan with smaller hands, less athleticism, less physical advantages and more range, more footwork, more ability to play with injury

Jordan retired from a cut finger from a cigar cutter in 1998

[3ball]

Come on 3ball

Give him a flurry of chest to chest poster GIFs

Don't hold back
out of all the GOAT contenders, only MJ has no weaknesses or drawbacks to his ability or career.

that's why he easily has the best all-round case for GOAT - no weaknesses.

GOAT offense, GOAT defense, GOAT stats, GOAT accolades (most FMVP's ever.. :pimp: )

[swagga]

for all those guys, you can say "well, XXX is a drawback to their ability and/or career."

i.e. kareem was 2nd fiddle for most of his rings and has a huge FMVP deficit... wilt only won 2 rings and underachieved (ala Shaq)... russell's offense was only above-average... Kobe was a 6'6" Iverson with his chucking and poor efficiency

but what's MJ's drawback?... he doesn't have one... that's why he has the best all-round case for GOAT - no weaknessees... it's not close actually - deep down everyone knows this but it's fun to sing "kumbaya" instead

1-9 before a stacked team.
missed playoffs and was a bigtime ballhog in his early days.
killed his father
team won 55 without him
lack of versatility compared to magic/lebron
lack of a consistent 3ball :roll:
got abused in the post by magic in the finals, phil had to switch pippen on magic. not the best post defense isn't peculiar for that series.
bad teammate

[kennethgriffin]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LtvRatRkevw




YOU ASKED FOR POISON?

[dubeta]

Ummmm...


Other than threes and handles wtf are they better at?

Can they post up?
Can they defend?
Can they do hooks?
Can they shoot over a double team without a dribble?
Can they lob to themselves off the backboard?
Can they do behind the back 360 dunks?
Can they do reverse pivot shots?
Can they do fade aways over double teams?
Can they shoot left handed threes?
can they play with broken hands?
Can they play with torn shoulders?
Can they play with dislocated arms, fingers?
Can they win multiple titles without a legendary sidekick?


kobe is basically jordan with smaller hands, less athleticism, less physical advantages and more range, more footwork, more ability to play with injury

Jordan retired from a cut finger from a cigar cutter in 1998

Bolded is solely due to Kobe's height advantage

Italicized has completely nothing to do with 'skill', unless Westbrook is the most skilled player ever for playing with injuries

Underlined however, is just complete bullshit

[SouBeachTalents]

out of all the GOAT contenders, only MJ has no weaknesses or drawbacks to his ability or career.

that's why he easily has the best all-round case for GOAT - no weaknesses.

GOAT offense, GOAT defense, GOAT stats, GOAT accolades (most FMVP's ever.. :pimp: )

Jordan was a great defender, GOAT though? I don't think so. Also, if Finals MVP's and DPOY had been around in his era, Russell would have a resume of roughly 5 MVP's, 7 Finals MVP's and 11 DPOY's

[ClipperRevival]

I don't have a problem when someone claims Kobe is the most skilled player ever. The guy was as complete as you can be. He could beat you any way imaginable on the court.

[Im Still Ballin]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpuvTG5IUAAL4sI.jpg

[Akrazotile]

for all those guys, you can say "well, XXX is a drawback to their ability and/or career."

i.e. kareem was 2nd fiddle for most of his rings and has a huge FMVP deficit... wilt only won 2 rings and underachieved (ala Shaq)... russell's offense was only above-average... Kobe was a 6'6" Iverson with his chucking and poor efficiency

but what's MJ's drawback?... he doesn't have one... that's why he has the best all-round case for GOAT - no weaknessees... it's not close actually - deep down everyone knows this but it's fun to sing "kumbaya" instead


His team won 50+ without him :biggums:

[kennethgriffin]

Bolded is solely due to Kobe's height advantage

Italicized has completely nothing to do with 'skill', unless Westbrook is the most skilled player ever for playing with injuries

Underlined however, is just complete bullshit


Kobes posted lebron. Kobes shot over durant. Kobes defended bigger and smaller players. Tony parker has a hook shot. Andre miller can post up.. spud webb is half a foot shorter and can do 360 dunks

[SugarHill]

my dude inserted kobe in there like it's no thing lol

[kennethgriffin]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpuvTG5IUAAL4sI.jpg


Those things shoulda been illegal

imagine if kobe had them or lebrons body.. he might have averaged 40ppg

*edit (weird)
On second look though it looks like an oversized photoshop of kobes hand made bigger with jordans head in the background.. weird

[dubeta]

Kobes posted lebron. Kobes shot over durant. Kobes defended bigger and smaller players. Tony parker has a hook shot. Andre miller can post up.. spud webb is half a foot shorter and can do 360 dunks

Heck even LeBron is much more skilled than Kobe

He's a much better playmaker, a better 3 point shooter, and has better handles and footwork than Kobe. Plus he's a much more efficient scorer

[Akrazotile]

Hard to argue against kobe being most skilled

Small hands. No athletic advantage over most defenders from 2004-2015

The off hand, post game, footwork, every shot in the book, sky hooks, dirk step backs, jordan fades, 40 foot threes, shooting 34% beyond the arc while taking 95% of his shots over defenders without space inbetween. Great rebounder for his height. Great playmaker for his position. Only 2 guys with more scoring records and they both played against nothing but people who were slower, smaller in weaker eras for competition at their position (wilt/mj)

No ones more fundamental than kobe. He could be 5-11 or 7-2 and dominate the game


The most important skill for a guy with those attributes is shot selection. Kobe had none. That's why he was a liability in many games and had to be constantly rescued during big playoff games.

[Droid101]

and has better handles and footwork than Kobe.
His post game footwork is truly dizzying!

http://i.minus.com/ibnX1F0TfhfYf7.gif

[Milbuck]

Trolling kenneth aside, we gonna act like Magic isn't also just thrown in there for the sake of being thrown in there? GOAT leader...who gives a ****? GOAT skills/fundamentals is a way more meaningful distinction than GOAT leader. Not saying Kobe deserves that distinction, probably Bird or something.

[3ball]

Jordan was a great defender, GOAT though? I don't think so. Also, if Finals MVP's and DPOY had been around in his era, Russell would have a resume of roughly 5 MVP's, 7 Finals MVP's and 11 DPOY's


GOAT defender at the 1-3 positions (non-big man positions) - only Pippen and Payton compare... I'd go with 1988 Jordan any day over those two and it's not close at all.. If you could put some money on it, I suspect you'd go with 1988 MJ too.

But did you have anyone else in mind as better defenders at the 1-3 spots than MJ?.. You stated that he's not the GOAT defender but offered no alternative for who you thought was.

Also, only Russell's hardware compares to Jordan - when you look at it objectively, Wilt and Kareem's career fall distinctly short of MJ's.

[kennethgriffin]

Heck even LeBron is much more skilled than Kobe

He's a much better playmaker, a better 3 point shooter, and has better handles and footwork than Kobe. Plus he's a much more efficient scorer


Loooooooooool

At passing. Thats about it


No post game
No foot work
Awkward release
No midrange shot
No free throw
No three unless dared to shoot
No clutch
Awkward as ****


Remember his attempt to pass to himself off the backboard? Lmfao

[SugarHill]

Trolling kenneth aside, we gonna act like Magic isn't also just thrown in there for the sake of being thrown in there? GOAT leader...who gives a ****? GOAT skills/fundamentals is a way more meaningful distinction than GOAT leader. Not saying Kobe deserves that distinction, probably Bird or something.

All those names were added simply to hide Kobe, the reason for this thread.

[kennethgriffin]

Lebrons also not a very skilled rebounder


A 6 foot 9 guy whos 260 pounds thats stronger and faster/jumps higher than anyone hes up against.. only averaging 7 rebounds?

Kobe whos 6-5 tops.. maybe 205... doesnt overpower anyone can grab 6 rebounds


Lebron should have averaged 9-10 rebounds his entire career easy


Kobes more skilled in that departmwnt pound for pound

[dubeta]

Lebrons also not a very skilled rebounder


A 6 foot 9 guy whos 260 pounds thats stronger and faster/jumps higher than anyone hes up against.. only averaging 7 rebounds?

Kobe whos 6-5 tops.. maybe 205... doesnt overpower anyone can grab 6 rebounds


Lebron should have averaged 9-10 rebounds his entire career easy


Kobes more skilled in that departmwnt pound for pound

LeBron doesnt statpad rebounds like Kobe

When LeBron needs to rebound he can, heck he averaged 10 rebounds the entire 2012 championship run in playoffs, and 11 rebounds the entire 2012 and 2013 finals.

So he rebounds only when he needs to, unlike statpadder Kobe

[3ball]

His team won 50+ without him :biggums:
Kareem's Lakers won 60 without him and made the Finals because Kareem's team was super-stacked.

Otoh, the Bulls fairytale story without Jordan came to a crashing halt at playoff time when reality set in - no Finals for them - they lost in the 2nd round (and were almost swept).

Unlike Kareem's Lakers, the Bulls weren't really stacked and were just playing over their heads - they just fed off the confidence of being defending 3-peat champions, with the glow of knowing that some of Jordan's greatness had rubbed off on them.

[kennethgriffin]

I will agree to jordan being goat if people agree kobe was most skilled

Dude was dominant as hell with so many disadvantages

[Milbuck]

All those names were added simply to hide Kobe, the reason for this thread.
Not disputing the agenda. Just pointing out that the actual content isn't that dumb. If Rake had made this thread it would be a serious debate about the most skilled players ever.

[SugarHill]

Not disputing the agenda. Just pointing out that the actual content isn't that dumb. If Rake had made this thread it would be a serious debate about the most skilled players ever.
content as in the actual shit he said or the topic itself?

because look at this - Michael jordan - Goat mixture of everything while lacking a bit at every aspect

:oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

The fact that kobes best years were during his most injured seasons show just how talented he was

Even with a broken hand, dislocated fingers, torn ligaments, shot knees, atop his declining speed and athleticism. He was still the best player and having his best seasons and winning/dominating on a historical level


While other guys with those problems would be forced to miss half the year

[3ball]

.
Weaknesses of GOAT candidates


Wilt Chamberlain - underachiever, only 2 rings

Bill Russell - only above-average offense

Kareem Abdul Jabbar - 2nd fiddle on most his championship teams, significant FMVP deficit

Michael Jordan -

[Milbuck]

content as in the actual shit he said or the topic itself?

because look at this - Michael jordan - Goat mixture of everything while lacking a bit at every aspect

:oldlol:
Topic itself :oldlol:

[dubeta]

.
Weaknesses of GOAT candidates


Wilt Chamberlain - underachiever, only 2 rings

Bill Russell - only above-average offense

Kareem Abdul Jabbar - 2nd fiddle on most his championship teams, significant FMVP deficit

Michael Jordan - 1-9


--

[kennethgriffin]

content as in the actual shit he said or the topic itself?

because look at this - Michael jordan - Goat mixture of everything while lacking a bit at every aspect

:oldlol:


Jordan did lack on every aspect though

Great winner. But lost a bunch too
Great career. But it was short
Great prime. But it was against crap
Great skills. But lacked in range
Great leader. But beat up teammates

[ClipperRevival]

.
Weaknesses of GOAT candidates


Wilt Chamberlain - underachiever, only 2 rings

Bill Russell - only above-average offense

Kareem Abdul Jabbar - 2nd fiddle on most his championship teams, significant FMVP deficit

Michael Jordan -

Can't forget KAJs unmatched dominance in college, which has to count. Not to mention he did possess the single most devastating offensive weapon in history. He also had longevity. All time leading scorer. A 7'2" big who was dominant on both ends.

That's why I think he's the only guy who can make a legit claim as GOAT with MJ. You are right about him not being the best on some of his championships but he was still so important. 6 rings and 6 regular season MVPs. About aa complete a resume as you can get.

[nba_55]

Kareem's Lakers won 60 without him and made the Finals because Kareem's team was super-stacked.

Otoh, the Bulls fairytale story without Jordan came to a crashing halt at playoff time when reality set in - no Finals for them - they lost in the 2nd round (and were almost swept).

Unlike Kareem's Lakers, the Bulls weren't really stacked and were just playing over their heads - they just fed off the confidence of being defending 3-peat champions, with the glow of knowing that some of Jordan's greatness had rubbed off on them.

You lose all credibility when you make obvious agenda driven dumb claims like these. Almost swept? :facepalm They lost in game 7, and if they refs favored them like they favored them when they had Jordan, they would have won that series.

[SouBeachTalents]

GOAT defender at the 1-3 positions (non-big man positions) - only Pippen and Payton compare... I'd go with 1988 Jordan any day over those two and it's not close at all.. If you could put some money on it, I suspect you'd go with 1988 MJ too.

But did you have anyone else in mind as better defenders at the 1-3 spots than MJ?.. You stated that he's not the GOAT defender but offered no alternative for who you thought was.

Also, only Russell's hardware compares to Jordan - when you look at it objectively, Wilt and Kareem's career fall distinctly short of MJ's.

I'd say Payton, Frazier, and Pippen would have just as good an argument as Jordan for GOAT perimeter defender

[3ball]

Great winner. But lost a bunch too


He lost LESS than everyone else, so who cares... 6/6





Great career. But it was short


6 championships in 15 seasons - so not short, and that's also the greatest championship percentage of all time, 6/15 = 40% (other than Russell).





Great prime. But it was against crap


Jordan swept Shaq/Penny, which is a far greater accomplishment than going 7 with Hibbert/George.. So actually, it's this era that has the far weaker players and competition.

Also, Jordan had TWO championship teams in his conference that he had to face in the playoffs (Boston, Pistons) - this is superior competition to ANY star MJ could be compared to.





Great skills. But lacked in range


MJ had flawless form and was a better 3-point shooter than Kobe and most players when he wanted and/or needed to be... We all know that.

As for his jumpshot in general - it was GOAT - unlike most of today's ball-dominant wing, Jordan had the GOAT off-ball game that included both a GOAT catch-and-shoot game and a GOAT pull-up jumpshot game.. How many wing players can score 55 points in the playoffs on all JJ Redick catch-and-shoot?.. Only Jordan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06ly1eN4tI





Great leader. But beat up teammates


If he's a great leader, than beating up teammates is all part of it... more stars should beat up teammates... then their teams would have GOAT cohesion, determination, and heart too.
.

[Prime_Shaq]

Shaq GOAT peak

[MJistheGOAT]

Only real candidates are:

1a/1b KAJ
1a/1b MJ
2/3 Wilt/Russell
4/5 Bird/Magic






Kobe

/thread

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Jordan did lack on every aspect though

Great winner. But lost a bunch too
Great career. But it was short
Great prime. But it was against crap
Great skills. But lacked in range
Great leader. But beat up teammates

Kobe lost more.

Jordan won more in fewer seasons.

:facepalm

:facepalm (Bryant's career 3P% is 0.6% higher than Jordan's)

:facepalm (6/6)

[3ball]

Almost swept? :facepalm The 1994 Bulls lost in game 7


Toni Kukoc's walk-off shot (posted below) saved the Bulls from going down 3-0 (while pouty pippen refused to enter the game because phil had NOT drawn up the final play for him):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NSpgbPcxoU

This miracle saved the Bulls from going down 3-0... but either way, it was a rude awakening for the Bulls come playoff time - it was a 2nd round exit, with only Kukoc's walk-off miracle saving them from complete embarrassment..

Of course, when MJ came back, his off-ball style allowed him to add his GOAT production to the team without diminishing what was already there - his GOAT scoring was added right on top of what was already there..

MJ's ability to not diminish the production of teammates allowed the TEAM to reach it's maximum production and therefore never underachieve.. This approach should be the model for ALL wing players, because it's what allowed MJ to turn an ordinary 2nd round team into the greatest team of all time.
.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe lost more.

Jordan won more in fewer seasons.

:facepalm

:facepalm (Bryant's career 3P% is 0.6% higher than Jordan's)

:facepalm (6/6)

when did i say kobe was ahead of jordan in those categories.


and you cant compare the 3pt% of a guy who shot thousands less and only wide open to a guy who shot thousands more and shot over guys without any space inbetween voluntarily

if kobe protected his 3pt% like mj he would be over 40%

if mj shot threes like kobe his would be around 25%

[kennethgriffin]

He lost LESS than everyone else, so who cares... 6/6



6 championships in 15 seasons - so not short, and that's also the greatest championship percentage of all time, 6/15 = 40% (other than Russell).



Jordan swept Shaq/Penny, which is a far greater accomplishment than going 7 with Hibbert/George.. So actually, it's this era that has the far weaker players and competition.

Also, Jordan had TWO championship teams in his conference that he had to face in the playoffs (Boston, Pistons) - this is superior competition to ANY star MJ could be compared to.



MJ had flawless form and was a better 3-point shooter than Kobe and most players when he wanted and/or needed to be... We all know that.

As for his jumpshot in general - it was GOAT - unlike most of today's ball-dominant wing, Jordan had the GOAT off-ball game that included both a GOAT catch-and-shoot game and a GOAT pull-up jumpshot game.. How many wing players can score 55 points in the playoffs on all JJ Redick catch-and-shoot?.. Only Jordan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06ly1eN4tI



If he's a great leader, than beating up teammates is all part of it... more stars should beat up teammates... then their teams would have GOAT cohesion, determination, and heart too.
.



:biggums:

the farther jordan got from the basket.. the more he pushed on his release... his threes were flat. and he has the all time record worst makes in three point contest history with 5

probably the most idiotic statement in insidehoops history

not even debatable considering kobe STILL shot better while taking insanely bad looks with people draped all over him

[SouBeachTalents]

:biggums:

the farther jordan got from the basket.. the more he pushed on his release... his threes were flat. and he has the all time record worst makes in three point contest history with 5

probably the most idiotic statement in insidehoops history

not even debatable considering kobe STILL shot better while taking insanely bad looks with people draped all over him

Not as bad as saying Kobe > Jordan

[kennethgriffin]

Not as bad as saying Kobe > Jordan


when did i say that

jordans the better player all time and has the better career

kobes just more skilled IMO

birds also more skilled than MJ

only 2 guys i'd put ahead of him really... not an insult in any way

[kennethgriffin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtvRatRkevw


1 more time


phil also said jordans better all time. but kobes more skilled

[JohnFreeman]

Kobe GOAT skills? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe GOAT skills? :roll: :roll: :roll:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtvRatRkevw

you gonna laugh at the guy who coached both to 11 rings?

[toxicxr6]

Kennethgriffin...
You want people to take you seriously. You need to take kobe off that list and replace him with duncan.. Kobe is not the most skilled player.. No one is going to agree to that because it's a load of crap..

Duncan however has an argument for goat intangibles.. Making team mates better.. arguement for goat two way player.. Second goat for longitivity

Replace kobe with duncan and you will be more respected in this thread

[kennethgriffin]

in terms of just basketball skills

#1 kobe bryant
#2 larry bird
#3 michael jordan
#4 oscar robertson
#5 hakeem olajuwon


now obviously this isnt the top 5 players ever

skills are different

[ClipperRevival]

when did i say kobe was ahead of jordan in those categories.


and you cant compare the 3pt% of a guy who shot thousands less and only wide open to a guy who shot thousands more and shot over guys without any space inbetween voluntarily

if kobe protected his 3pt% like mj he would be over 40%

if mj shot threes like kobe his would be around 25%

Kind of agree with the jist of what you're saying. Kobe was a volume 3 pt shooter while MJ shot 3s selectively. Kobe clearly had greater range and was much more likely to get on fire from deep. That's why at their peak, you can compare the two because Kobe could kill you from 3. That's why he was able to have games like 81 and 62 in 3 qtrs or 65. Mj was noticeably more quicker and explosive than Kobe and his game was more attacking the paint, so his points weren't accumulating as quickly.

Kobe was a joy to watch at his peak. He didn't play the game the right way during the few years when he had little help (in terms of playing team ball) but it was fun to watch his individual brilliance.

[kennethgriffin]

Kennethgriffin...
You want people to take you seriously. You need to take kobe off that list and replace him with duncan.. Kobe is not the most skilled player.. No one is going to agree to that because it's a load of crap..

Duncan however has an argument for goat intangibles.. Making team mates better.. arguement for goat two way player.. Second goat for longitivity

Replace kobe with duncan and you will be more respected in this thread


duncan? LMFAO

hes not even the most skilled power forward all time

kevin garnett is



duncan cant shoot free throws
duncan cant handle like a guard
duncan cant shoot jumpers ( set shots only )
duncan cant shoot contested threes ( at most 1 three a month with nobody near )
duncan cant do anything fancy


are you high on ****ing crack cocaine?!

:roll:

kobe on the other hand has all the big man skills... post ups, footwork, hook shots, turn arounds, left hand, floaters ... you name it

even rebounding for his height is great. 6-5 with 6-7 rpg..

kobe can defend a post player much bigger than he is too. hes held his ground with much stronger guys


so seriously. get off the crack please

[kennethgriffin]

most skilled Point Guard = Oscar Robertson
most skilled Shooting Guard = Kobe Bryant
most skilled Small Foward = Larry Bird
most skilled Power Forward = Kevin Garnett
most skilled Center = Hakeem Olajuwon


all with offensive/defensive skills
all could dominate whether they were big or small
all can shoot/drive/post/pass/handle
all can play multiple positions
all can guard multiple positions
all with no glaring weakness in a skill set mentality

[toxicxr6]

duncan? LMFAO

hes not even the most skilled power forward all time

kevin garnett is



duncan cant shoot free throws
duncan cant handle like a guard
duncan cant shoot jumpers ( set shots only )
duncan cant shoot contested threes ( at most 1 three a month with nobody near )
duncan cant do anything fancy


are you high on ****ing crack cocaine?!

:roll:

kobe on the other hand has all the big man skills... post ups, footwork, hook shots, turn arounds, left hand, floaters ... you name it

even rebounding for his height is great. 6-5 with 6-7 rpg..

kobe can defend a post player much bigger than he is too. hes held his ground with much stronger guys


so seriously. get off the crack please



See that's it no one will take you seriously because what you say is a

TOTAL LOAD OF CRAP

[kennethgriffin]

See that's it no one will take you seriously because what you say is a

TOTAL LOAD OF CRAP

anyone who thinks duncan is the most talented player in nba history needs a 20 inch dildo rammed up their urinary canal

the only big man with even an argument is hakeem

[3ball]

why won't you guys take MJ's word for it that he PURPOSEFULLY didn't shoot 3's because he thought it took away from his game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2CyJdCq-zU&t=0m06s

i mean, it makes perfect sense - if a guy is THAT good at attacking the basket, then even if he shoots 40% from three, it's still better for him to attack the basket.

kobe is not as devastating attacking the basket, so he's not losing as much by NOT attacking the basket, and shooting 3-pointer instead.

btw, not only was MJ the better 3-point shooter whenever he needed or wanted to be, but he was a VASTLY better mid-range shooter all the time - he was a better mid-range shooter than Reggie Miller or Ray Allen or Stephen Curry... and a better shooter on ALL non 3-point shots... what you gotta say about that.. :pimp:

[nba_55]

don't people get bored discussing and posting the same shit over and over again? Find something new and original to talk about.

[ClipperRevival]

in terms of just basketball skills

#1 kobe bryant
#2 larry bird
#3 michael jordan
#4 oscar robertson
#5 hakeem olajuwon


now obviously this isnt the top 5 players ever

skills are different

I rank Nash way up there. The guy was short and his athleticism was below avg. Anything he accomplished at the highest level had to be done with skill, guile, anticipation, vision, etc. His ability to consistently get by much more quicker and athletic guys was amazing. Subtle hesitations, change of pace, etc. It was beautiful.

[kennethgriffin]

why won't you guys take MJ's word for it that he PURPOSEFULLY didn't shoot 3's because he thought it took away from his game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2CyJdCq-zU&t=0m06s

i mean, it makes perfect sense - if a guy is THAT good at attacking the basket, then even if he shoots 40% from three, it's still better for him to attack the basket.

kobe is not as devastating attacking the basket, so he's not losing as much by NOT attacking the basket, and shooting 3-pointer instead.

btw, not only was MJ a better 3-point shooter whenever he needed or wanted to be, but he was a VASTLY better mid-range shooter all the time - he was a better mid-range shooter than Reggie Miller or Ray Allen or Stephen Curry... what you gotta say about that.. :pimp:



ummm 40% threes on 100 shots is 120 points

which is the equivalent of hitting 60% fg's on 2 point shots

[nba_55]

I rank Nash way up there. The guy was short and his athleticism was below avg. Anything he accomplished at the highest level had to be done with skill, guile, anticipation, vision, etc. His ability to consistently get by much more quicker and athletic guys was amazing. Subtle hesitations, change of pace, etc. It was beautiful.

You are completely ignoring his lack of defensive skills.

[kennethgriffin]

I rank Nash way up there. The guy was short and his athleticism was below avg. Anything he accomplished at the highest level had to be done with skill, guile, anticipation, vision, etc. His ability to consistently get by much more quicker and athletic guys was amazing. Subtle hesitations, change of pace, etc. It was beautiful.

no defensive skills though
no rebounding skills ( not even for his height )
no post up skills ( andre miller )




in just terms of passing/shooting/ball handling he was perfectly skilled


but not one of the top 5 for everything

[toxicxr6]

anyone who thinks duncan is the most talented player in nba history needs a 20 inch dildo rammed up their urinary canal

the only big man with even an argument is hakeem


Ish already had an official GOAT list remember and other than Kobe stans almost everyone else in the forum agrees duncan> kobe

It ain't an argument anymore bro.. So give it up

No one cares about kobe anymore

Duncan still leading his team towards the playoffs like a goat should

:applause:

[kennethgriffin]

Ish already had an official GOAT list remember and other than Kobe stans almost everyone else in the forum agrees duncan> kobe

It ain't an argument anymore bro.. So give it up

No one cares about kobe anymore

Duncan still leading his team towards the playoffs like a goat should

:applause:


career wise... maybe.. who knows

wtf does that have to do with skills?

[3ball]

ummm 40% threes on 100 shots is 120 points

which is the equivalent of hitting 60% fg's on 2 point shots


there's data showing that Jordan hit 63.7% on drives to the basket and 74% at the rim (in paints with no-spacing and legal paint-camping).

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317950

so again, why would jordan shoot 3's when attacking the basket is the better option?

kobe had to resort to 3's because he was weak going to the hole compared to MJ (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11021030&postcount=6)... :confusedshrug:

[ClipperRevival]

no defensive skills though
no rebounding skills ( not even for his height )
no post up skills ( andre miller )




in just terms of passing/shooting/ball handling he was perfectly skilled


but not one of the top 5 for everything

Well, you can't be a great defender with skill alone. You need some God given traits to excel like quick feet, ability to move laterally, quick hands, length, etc. There is only so much you can do in terms of anticipation, etc when you are guarding guys much quicker than you. So that's why he couldn't defend.

Same with rebounding. Same with post up. He didn't have the height, jumping ability or big behind (ala A. Miller) to really excel down low.

But I'm talking his pure ability with the basketball and what he was able to do with it. Not to mention his shooting.

[G0ATbe]

Kobe/Kareem and maybe Magic are the only ones with legit arguments for GOAT. Rest shouldn't even be debated.

[kennethgriffin]

there's data showing that Jordan hit 63.7% on drives to the basket and 74% at the rim (in paints with no-spacing and legal paint-camping).

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317950

so again, why would jordan shoot 3's when attacking the basket is the better option?

kobe had to resort to 3's because he was weak going to the hole compared to MJ (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11021030&postcount=6).

cant drive every time though... while threes are always an option

if jordan could drive as often as he wished his career fg% would be over 49%

[G0ATbe]

Amazing how the majority of the top 10 players ever were Lakers at one point. GOAT franchise.

[dubeta]

Even Steve Nash is more skilled than Kobe

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe/Kareem and maybe Magic are the only ones with legit arguments for GOAT. Rest shouldn't even be debated.

now thats just trolling.. we don't have to lower ourselves to that level

i hold myself to a higher standard when discussing kobe/jordan etc.... common man


:cheers:

join team logic.

[kennethgriffin]

Even Steve Nash is more skilled than Kobe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWGXKA0I_Q

ever heard of "defense?"

[nba_55]

there's data showing that Jordan hit 63.7% on drives to the basket and 74% at the rim (in paints with no-spacing and legal paint-camping).

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317950

so again, why would jordan shoot 3's when attacking the basket is the better option?

kobe had to resort to 3's because he was weak going to the hole compared to MJ (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11021030&postcount=6)... :confusedshrug:

If he shots more 3's and made them more, his drives % would get even better.

[SouBeachTalents]

now thats just trolling.. we don't have to lower ourselves to that level

i hold myself to a higher standard when discussing kobe/jordan etc.... common man


:cheers:

join team logic.

:oldlol: I don't think that dude has ever made a post that wasn't trolling

[kennethgriffin]

:oldlol: I don't think that dude has ever made a post that wasn't trolling

allot of people on here think i'm a troll. always hate on mj.

but its the exact opposite


jordan had the best mixture of everything. he could be the goat. he was the most popular.

he had a better career than kobe

he was better at drives than kobe

he was a better leader than kobe

kobe copied allot of jordans game


but kobe took all the best things from jordans game. and added hakeems post game. added baylor/oscars footwork. added a long distance three. added kareems hook. added dirks step back. added a pump fake baiting move. added a left handed shot from anywhere. added something from everyone he ever studied added a reverse pivot shot, added a lob to self off backboard

he took his game to the next level...

jordan was just more effective because he was so much more advanced at a few things that he spammed the shit out of them

[ClipperRevival]

allot of people on here think i'm a troll. always hate on mj.

but its the exact opposite


jordan had the best mixture of everything. he could be the goat. he was the most popular.

he had a better career than kobe

he was better at drives than kobe

he was a better leader than kobe

kobe copied allot of jordans game


but kobe took all the best things from jordans game. and added hakeems post game. added baylor/oscars footwork. added a long distance three. added kareems hook. added dirks step back. added a pump fake baiting move. added a left handed shot from anywhere. added something from everyone he ever studied added a reverse pivot shot, added a lob to self off backboard

he took his game to the next level...

jordan was just more effective because he was so much more advanced at a few things that he spammed the shit out of them

I have been living in LA since 1982, so I saw Kobe from start to finish. I would agree that his overall skillset was a bit more advanced than MJs. But MJ was blessed with off the charts quickness, first step and explosion off the ground that whatever move he made, it was more effective because he created more separation/space. But you can't take nothing away from MJ. From start to finish, he had the most dominant career in history. Doesn't matter how you get it done, as long as you do.

[kennethgriffin]

I have been living in LA since 1982, so I saw Kobe from start to finish. I would agree that his overall skillset was a bit more advanced than MJs. But MJ was blessed with off the charts quickness, first step and explosion off the ground that whatever move he made, it was more effective because he created more separation/space. But you can't take nothing away from MJ. From start to finish, he had the most dominant career in history. Doesn't matter how you get it done, as long as you do.

i dont blame jordan for not expanding his game as much as kobe did

he knew he could spam the shit out of drives/attacking with a mixture of midrange shots

its all he needed. he was a better version of prime dwyane wade

i dunno if his competition played into it.. back then very few teams had anyone who matched up well..

[dubeta]

Top 5 Lakers of all time

1. Kareem

2. Magic

3. Shaq

4. West

5. Chamberlain

[MJistheGOAT]

I have been living in LA since 1982, so I saw Kobe from start to finish. I would agree that his overall skillset was a bit more advanced than MJs. But MJ was blessed with off the charts quickness, first step and explosion off the ground that whatever move he made, it was more effective because he created more separation/space. But you can't take nothing away from MJ. From start to finish, he had the most dominant career in history. Doesn't matter how you get it done, as long as you do.

Agreed, these beta Kobe stans insist in prop up the skills of Kobe, when they were only a necessary adaptation to less athleticism, quickness, first step, off ball game and BBIQ vs MJ. So I gave you the "skills" argument but in basketball context MJ was more efficient and finally a better player.

And Kobe has no place in GOAT argument. Even Lebron is closer than him (but still not in the conversation).

[JohnFreeman]

Hakeem is more skilled than Kobe, let's be honest.

[kennethgriffin]

Agreed, these beta Kobe stans insist in prop up the skills of Kobe, when they were only a necessary adaptation to less athleticism, quickness, first step, off ball game and BBIQ vs MJ. So I gave you the "skills" argument but in basketball context MJ was more efficient and finally a better player.

And Kobe has no place in GOAT argument. Even Lebron is closer than him (but still not in the conversation).


you act like i'd want my favorite player to be known as a guy who relied heavily on physical advantages


save that notoriety for the wilt/jordan/lebron fans of the world



those guys never played a single game during their entire primes where they werent

a) bigger than everyone at their position

b) faster than everyone at their position

c) jumping higher than everyone at their position

d) stronger than everyone at their position




its great n all.. but 2 of those 3 guys are looked at as massive underachievers for those very same attributes

elevated expectations. jordan lived up to the hype atleast


i'd rather my guy be known as someone who squeezed every bit of potential they had out of their body and if anything overachieved based on what god gave them to work with

overcoming odds is always much more appealing to the eye

the weaker frame
the smaller hands
the limitations from injuries
the advancement of the game/position
the competition

they all play into elevated respect

[dubeta]

you act like i'd want my favorite player to be known as a guy who relied heavily on physical advantages


save that notoriety for the wilt/jordan/lebron fans of the world



those guys never played a single game during their entire primes where they werent

a) bigger than everyone at their position

b) faster than everyone at their position

c) jumping higher than everyone at their position

d) stronger than everyone at their position




its great n all.. but 2 of those 3 guys are looked at as massive underachievers for those very same attributes

elevated expectations. jordan lived up to the hype atleast


i'd rather my guy be known as someone who squeezed every bit of potential they had out of their body and if anything overachieved based on what god gave them to work with

overcoming odds is always much more appealing to the eye

the weaker frame
the smaller hands
the limitations from injuries
the advancement of the game/position
the competition

they all play into elevated respect

Kobe at his peak was a better overall athlete than LeBron, all LeBron has is size

Kobe was

-faster end to end

-higher vertical

-quicker first step

-more stamina

-stronger lower body strength

- better agility


Kobe easily had more physical advantages than LeBron, everything except size.

[kennethgriffin]

Hakeem is more skilled than Kobe, let's be honest.


its a debate

i like hakeem

i'd say he's close. hakeem with advantages in post moves ( kobe being dominant himself in the post ). kobe with advantages in long range/ball handling/drives

[ClipperRevival]

you act like i'd want my favorite player to be known as a guy who relied heavily on physical advantages


save that notoriety for the wilt/jordan/lebron fans of the world



those guys never played a single game during their entire primes where they werent

a) bigger than everyone at their position

b) faster than everyone at their position

c) jumping higher than everyone at their position

d) stronger than everyone at their position




its great n all.. but 2 of those 3 guys are looked at as massive underachievers for those very same attributes

elevated expectations. jordan lived up to the hype atleast


i'd rather my guy be known as someone who squeezed every bit of potential they had out of their body and if anything overachieved based on what god gave them to work with

overcoming odds is always much more appealing to the eye

the weaker frame
the smaller hands
the limitations from injuries
the advancement of the game/position
the competition

they all play into elevated respect

Lol. I keep agreeing with almost everything you are saying in this thread. Yeah, MJ was greater and had the better career but no one squeezed as much talent with what he had than Kobe. His work ethic and dedication to the game was unparalleled, bordering on insane. There was dedication and then there was Kobe. Even MJ took the summer off with golf. Not Kobe. In that regard, I respect him tremendously. You know he gave his all.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe at his peak was a better overall athlete than LeBron, all LeBron has is size

Kobe was

-faster end to end

-higher vertical

-quicker first step

-more stamina

-stronger lower body strength

- better agility


Kobe easily had more physical advantages than LeBron, everything except size.


http://i58.tinypic.com/2148842.jpg




































http://i58.tinypic.com/2148842.jpg

[kennethgriffin]

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http://i58.tinypic.com/2148842.jpg

[ClipperRevival]

Hakeem is more skilled than Kobe, let's be honest.

Hakeem is by far the most skilled, complete C to ever lace them up and it's not even close. But why compare a big to a wing. Just appreciate both for what they were.

[greatest-ever]

Kobe has no case whatsoever. Idc what his skills are like his level of play didn't warrant it. I think Lbj should be on here.

[kennethgriffin]

i still can't focus after that dubeta post saying kobes a better athlete than lebron

:wtf:

[dubeta]

i still can't focus after that dubeta post saying kobes a better athlete than lebron

:wtf:
read the points dumb@ss

[MJistheGOAT]

you act like i'd want my favorite player to be known as a guy who relied heavily on physical advantages


save that notoriety for the wilt/jordan/lebron fans of the world



those guys never played a single game during their entire primes where they werent

a) bigger than everyone at their position

b) faster than everyone at their position

c) jumping higher than everyone at their position

d) stronger than everyone at their position




its great n all.. but 2 of those 3 guys are looked at as massive underachievers for those very same attributes

elevated expectations. jordan lived up to the hype atleast


i'd rather my guy be known as someone who squeezed every bit of potential they had out of their body and if anything overachieved based on what god gave them to work with

overcoming odds is always much more appealing to the eye

the weaker frame
the smaller hands
the limitations from injuries
the advancement of the game/position
the competition

they all play into elevated respect

Nice point of view. I respect Kobe a lot about overcoming this physical disadvantages with elite footwork, skills, work ethic and killer instinct. He is in top 10 GOAT territory in that aspects ... BUT if we're talking about GOAT basketball player, we have to consider physical attributes to define the candidates. And of course shot selection, leadership, off ball game & BBIQ are not physical traits ... and you know he is lacking there (for GOAT standards)

So I agree with you but that doesn

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe has no case whatsoever. Idc what his skills are like his level of play didn't warrant it. I think Lbj should be on here.


lebron =

no footwork
no post game
no mid range shot
no free throw
no clutch
awkward release
abusing loose traveling rules
abusing flopping defense
abusing charging rules


is more talent than kobe?


if... and thats a BIG ****ING IF....... if* lebron was more talented than kobe. combined with his body/athleticism. the man would average 45ppg and have 10 ****ing titles by now

:facepalm

[kennethgriffin]

read the points dumb@ss


http://i58.tinypic.com/2148842.jpg

[qrich]

Saying Kobe is the most skilled is like saying DeAndre Jordan will hit 85% from the line next season.

[MJistheGOAT]

Dont feed the troll and dont waste your time in Bron vs Kobe physical gifts arguments. Lebron is in Shaq territory in that aspect (freak).

His lack of skills and killer instinct are precisely what prevent him from entering GOAT discussions.

And yes, he is in most skilled territory. But not in GOAT

[kennethgriffin]

[QUOTE=MJistheGOAT]Dont feed the troll and dont waste your time in Bron vs Kobe physical gifts arguments. Lebron is in Shaq territory in that aspect (freak).

His lack of skills and killer instinct are precisely what prevent him from entering GOAT discussions.

And yes, he is in most skilled territory. But not in GOAT

[dubeta]

Can you imagine if LeBron had this level of athleticism?

http://s1.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobe-posterizing-thunder-kobe-bryant-gifs.gif

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobes-best-dunk-kobe-bryant-gifs.gif

:eek:

Perfect combination of speed, leaping ability, strength, quickness, and vertical

LeBron would have easily been the GOAT with that body



Its a shame that Kobe's elite athleticism didnt stop him from being a 45% career shooter

[SouBeachTalents]

i'd say with one more title he would be. atleast argued

tied with rings

mj with advantages in mvps

kobe with advantages in titles won without a legendary sidekick

But not in titles as the best player on the team

[ClipperRevival]

Can you imagine if LeBron had this level of athleticism?

http://s1.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobe-posterizing-thunder-kobe-bryant-gifs.gif

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobes-best-dunk-kobe-bryant-gifs.gif

:eek:

Perfect combination of speed, leaping ability, strength, quickness, and vertical

LeBron would have easily been the GOAT with that body



Its a shame that Kobe's elite athleticism didnt stop him from being a 45% career shooter

Are you like serious or are you this ignorant?

[knicksman]

honestly id pick thomas 2/3 over bran. Isiah never cheated and hes the shortest guy to win rings. And even dirks 1 ring hold more weight than brans

[knicksman]

At the end of the day. GOAT rankings is based on how much weight your rings hold. Brans rings is just equivalent to kobes 3peat coz shaq==wade+bosh.

[Cold soul]

Kobe is not the most skilled. Sorry mate.

Yeah he is actually the only players that have any case is Bird, Jordan, and Nash.

[dubeta]

Yeah he is actually the only players that have any case is Bird, Jordan, and Nash.


lebron

[34-24 Footwork]

Thought it was obvious that Kobe is the most skilled, next to hakeem. Kobe is the guard version of hakeem in my opinion. Lebron is the Forward version of Shaq.

You HAVE to understand that analog....

[Cold soul]

Thought it was obvious that Kobe is the most skilled, next to hakeem. Kobe is the guard version of hakeem in my opinion. Lebron is the Forward version of Shaq.

You HAVE to understand that analog....

Great post well said. :applause:

[IncarceratedBob]

kobe is one of the most skilled players in NBA history, it's not far fetched to say he's the most skilled. no way is he the most talented but the amount of time he put into his craft is unparalleled. GOAT work ethic

[Cold soul]

kobe is one of the most skilled players in NBA history, it's not far fetched to say he's the most skilled. no way is he the most talented but the amount of time he put into his craft is unparalleled. GOAT work ethic

I pretty much agree no way is Kobe most talented but he ranks pretty high up there on talent alone just not physically.

[kennethgriffin]

Can you imagine if LeBron had this level of athleticism?

http://s1.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobe-posterizing-thunder-kobe-bryant-gifs.gif

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobes-best-dunk-kobe-bryant-gifs.gif

:eek:

Perfect combination of speed, leaping ability, strength, quickness, and vertical

LeBron would have easily been the GOAT with that body



Its a shame that Kobe's elite athleticism didnt stop him from being a 45% career shooter


His head was a foot below the rim lol


Its a sick dunk though

[dubeta]

His head was a foot below the rim lol


Its a sick dunk though

Requires GOAT athleticism to perform tho

[3ball]

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobes-best-dunk-kobe-bryant-gifs.gif



Let's compare that dunk to the GOAT (same dunk):


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/fd492d8217834c70f155bb34f56caf77.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/fd5fc3478df5af873e6fb60bde0a388a.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/20ab459e6e2ef3f920afaf4966eb826c.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/746b1a90fae2532f566f50f51c1372a1.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/9f51e415b6dea70739d7ce5e18ac5a23.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/b573fac937231c34f60ef773d0370b99.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/e917b93b17e704df466da14ab2d98503.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/931efa5f16ce33c11378d28effe03fed.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/8f74a23ab168722c009829092c093f58.gif


there's only 1 GOAT

[dubeta]

I admit, both Kobe and Jordan are MUCH more athletic than LeBron



Its a shame that even with his physical deficiencies, LeBron still managed to be more efficient than both, a better rebounder, defender, and ultimately more dominant even while being less athletic.

[AintNoSunshine]

To be honest, the only thing Kobe is best at is copying Jordan.

GOAT copycat goes to Kobe Bryant.

[RightToCensor]

http://i49.tinypic.com/dbo3rc.gif


This gif is underrated. I'm always left in suspense whether Kobe is gonna put up "OP IS A *******" or a "10".

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Kennethgriffin...
You want people to take you seriously. You need to take kobe off that list and replace him with duncan.. Kobe is not the most skilled player.. No one is going to agree to that because it's a load of crap..

Duncan however has an argument for goat intangibles.. Making team mates better.. arguement for goat two way player.. Second goat for longitivity

Replace kobe with duncan and you will be more respected in this thread

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