2 Larry Birds don't equal 1 Kobe Bryant

[kennethgriffin]

and i love larry bird. but....



Kobe Bryant:
30+ point games: 425
40+ point games: 119
50+ point games: 24
60+ point games: 5
70+ point games: 1
80+ point games: 1


Larry Bird:
30+ point games: 223
40+ point games: 47
50+ point games: 4
60+ point games: 1
70+ point games:
80+ point games:

Larry Bird x2
30+ point games: 446 (+21)
40+ point games: 94 (-25)
50+ point games: 8 (-16)
60+ point games: 2 (-4)
70+ point games: 0 (-1)
80+ point games: 0 (-1)



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Kobe Bryant


13 times top 10 in Points Per Game
12 times top 5 in Points Per Game
4 times top 2 in Points Per Game
2 times leader in Points Per Game


2000-01 NBA 28.5 (4)
2001-02 NBA 25.2 (6)
2002-03 NBA 30.0 (2)
2003-04 NBA 24.0 (4)
2004-05 NBA 27.6 (2)
2005-06 NBA 35.4 (1)
2006-07 NBA 31.6 (1)
2007-08 NBA 28.3 (2)
2008-09 NBA 26.8 (3)
2009-10 NBA 27.0 (4)
2010-11 NBA 25.3 (5)
2011-12 NBA 27.9 (2)
2012-13 NBA 27.3 (3)



Larry Bird

6 times top 10 in Points Per Game
4 times top 5 in Points Per Game
1 time top 2 in Points Per Game
0 times league leader in Points Per Game

1981-82 NBA 22.9 (10)
1983-84 NBA 24.2 (7)
1984-85 NBA 28.7 (2)
1985-86 NBA 25.8 (4)
1986-87 NBA 28.1 (4)
1987-88 NBA 29.9 (3)


Larry Bird x2


1981-82 NBA 22.9 (10)
1983-84 NBA 24.2 (7)
1984-85 NBA 28.7 (2)
1985-86 NBA 25.8 (4)
1986-87 NBA 28.1 (4)
1987-88 NBA 29.9 (3)
+
1981-82 NBA 22.9 (10)
1983-84 NBA 24.2 (7)
1984-85 NBA 28.7 (2)
1985-86 NBA 25.8 (4)
1986-87 NBA 28.1 (4)
1987-88 NBA 29.9 (3)

12 times top 10 in Points Per Game (-1)
8 times top 5 in Points Per Game (-4)
2 time top 2 in Points Per Game (-2)
0 times league leader in Points Per Game (-2)



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Kobe Bryant


27 time All NBA/Defense
20 time All NBA/Defensive 1st team

1998-99 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
1999-00 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1999-00 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2000-01 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2000-01 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2001-02 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2011-12 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (1st)



Larry Bird

13 time All NBA/Defense
9 time All NBA/Defensive 1st team

1979-80 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1980-81 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1981-82 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1981-82 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1982-83 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1982-83 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1983-84 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1983-84 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1984-85 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1985-86 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1986-87 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1987-88 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1989-90 NBA All-NBA (2nd)




Larry Bird x2

1979-80 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1980-81 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1981-82 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1981-82 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1982-83 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1982-83 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1983-84 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1983-84 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1984-85 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1985-86 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1986-87 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1987-88 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1989-90 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
+
1979-80 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1980-81 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1981-82 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1981-82 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1982-83 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1982-83 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1983-84 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1983-84 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1984-85 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1985-86 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1986-87 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1987-88 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1989-90 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

26 time All NBA/Defense (-1)
18 time All NBA/Defensive 1st team (-2)





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oh yeah and 5 out of 7 > 3 out of 5
both have 2 Fmvps

all bird has on kobe is 2 more regular season mvps. ( and i don't even feel a need to explain why that award is bogus. even if it were legit i dont think it would be enough to over come at this point

[Uncle Drew]

tl;dr

Bird > Kobe

[Ca$H]

all bird has on kobe is 2 more regular season mvps. ( and i don't even feel a need to explain why that award is bogus. even if it were legit i dont think it would be enough to over come at this point

NBA MVP is the least legit award in professional sports.

Steve Nash-2

Kobe and Shaq combined- 2

:facepalm

[uber]

Bird on one leg would wipe the floor with prime Kobe

[Im so nba'd out]

Is he double the man he is down there too?

:eek:

[Prime_Shaq]

That being said though, Bird > Kobe

[kennethgriffin]

Bird on one leg would wipe the floor with prime Kobe



yet i just proved that bird on 4 legs doesnt measure up to kobe on 2

:roll:

[KungFuJoe]

Bird > Kobe

[kennethgriffin]

Bird > Kobe


ontop of everything i mentioned

kobe won 2 titles without a top 50 player all time ( gasols top 90 )


bird won with guys like robert parish, kevin mchale, dennis johnson, nate archibald

lol

theres absolutely no case for bird over kobe all time... the whole "revolutionized the game" schtick is all people have goin


so he came at a time when the league stunk.. big deal..

[ShawkFactory]

ontop of everything i mentioned

kobe won 2 titles without a top 50 player all time ( gasols top 90 )


bird won with guys like robert parish, kevin mchale, dennis johnson, nate archibald

lol

theres absolutely no case for bird over kobe all time... the whole "revolutionized the game" schtick is all people have goin


so he came at a time when the league stunk.. big deal..Yes, he does have a case to be over Kobe. A good one actually.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

OP is right, two Larry Birds don't equal one Kobe Bryant. Half of Bird equals one of Kobe. Thanks for pointing it out.

[sdot_thadon]

Hmm wonder why you really only focused on scoring and 1st teams......

[kennethgriffin]

Hmm wonder why you really only focused on scoring and 1st teams......


well their play making is pretty even

ones 6-10 and the others 6-5 so the rebounding cant be compared fairly

scoring was what both were known most for

and all nba/defensive teams pretty much judge every aspect of both ends of the game

[ShawkFactory]

well their play making is pretty even

ones 6-10 and the others 6-5 so the rebounding cant be compared fairly

scoring was what both were known most for

and all nba/defensive teams pretty much judge every aspect of both ends of the game
Just stop.

[kennethgriffin]

Just stop.


i dunno i thought that was a very logical explination

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Kenneth, can you hurry up with your monthly meltdown so these shitty threads/posts will stop?

[ShawkFactory]

i dunno i thought that was a very logical explination
Well you thought incorrectly. Happens to the best of us.

[Soundwave]

Even though I find Kobe stans annoying ... I'll agree with the specific point.

Kobe Bryant, when factoring in longevity to the equation, has had a better career than Larry Bird.

[navy]

Kenneth, can you hurry up with your monthly meltdown so these shitty threads/posts will stop?
This. Make sure to post some hot women instead of penises this time.

[kennethgriffin]

Kenneth, can you hurry up with your monthly meltdown so these shitty threads/posts will stop?


i dont see allot of arguing against my point

just people upset that i'm so much more gifted at debating/making a point

people here are dumbfounded and at a loss for words

just the simple "op sucks" ... blah blah

24 inch chrome never was much for intellectual conversations. most of his posts are less than 2 sentences

[jongib369]

well their play making is pretty even

ones 6-10 and the others 6-5 so the rebounding cant be compared fairly

scoring was what both were known most for

and all nba/defensive teams pretty much judge every aspect of both ends of the game
Bird is also known for being a 3pt shooter, while it wasn't even a big part of his game. A players depth goes beyond what they're known for. Roles, positions etc play a huge factor

Wouldnt fault anyone for picking Kobe over Bird depending on the type of team they want to build though...Kobe is a hell of a player and fun to watch...But if I had Shaq, Kareem, or Wilt I'd rather pair them up with Bird. Though, either combo would cause other teams fits.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

i dont see allot of arguing against my point

just people upset that i'm so much more gifted at debating/making a point

people here are dumbfounded and at a loss for words

just the simple "op sucks" ... blah blah

24 inch chrome never was much for intellectual conversations. most of his posts are less than 2 sentences

You're barely worth one.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

How this thread isn't locket yet is beyond me. Just an embarrassing OP filled with complete delusion. :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

i dont see allot of arguing against my point

just people upset that i'm so much more gifted at debating/making a point

people here are dumbfounded and at a loss for words

just the simple "op sucks" ... blah blah

24 inch chrome never was much for intellectual conversations. most of his posts are less than 2 sentences
If you're going to compare why not just use age 23 and then on? Bird came into the league at age 23 and his last season was age 35.

[DonDadda59]

Even though I find Kobe stans annoying ... I'll agree with the specific point.

Kobe Bryant, when factoring in longevity to the equation, has had a better career than Larry Bird.

But a lot of that longevity was mired in either first round losses or being bottom of the barrel terrible for his team. It's not like Duncan or Kareem longevity.

[Im Still Ballin]

Kobe is the better player

[kennethgriffin]

But a lot of that longevity was mired in either first round losses or being bottom of the barrel terrible for his team. It's not like Duncan or Kareem longevity.


umm..

1998 - 15/3/3, All star ( 61-21 ) - lost to WCF champs

1999 - 20/5/4, All NBA ( 31-19 ) - lost to WCF champs

2000 - 23/6/5, All NBA,All Defense ( 67-15 ) - Won NBA title

2001 - 29/6/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 56-26 ) - Won NBA title

2002 - 25/6/6, All NBA, All Defense ( 58-24 ) - Won NBA title

2003 - 30/7/6, All NBA, All Defense ( 50-32 ) - lost to NBA champs

2004 - 24/6/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 56-26 ) - lost to NBA champs

2005 - 28/6/6, All NBA, All Defense ( 34-48 ) - surgery/rebuild

2006 - 35/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 45-37 ) - lost to #2 seed

2007 - 32/6/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 42-40 ) - lost to #1 seed

2008 - 28/6/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 57-25 ) - lost to NBA champs

2009 - 27/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 65-17 ) - Won NBA title

2010 - 27/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 57-25 ) - Won NBA title

2011 - 25/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 57-25 ) - lost to NBA champs

2012 - 28/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 41-25 ) - lost to WCF champs

2013 - 27/6/6, All NBA, All Defense ( 45-37 ) - lost to WCF champs
2014 - torn achilles -


this isnt longevity?

this isnt contending?




and how does anyone who doubles up bird in nearly everything not have longevity? what does that say about bird if it were even half way true

[ShawkFactory]

umm..

1998 - 15/3/3, All star ( 61-21 ) - lost to WCF champs

1999 - 20/5/4, All NBA ( 31-19 ) - lost to WCF champs

2000 - 23/6/5, All NBA,All Defense ( 67-15 ) - Won NBA title

2001 - 29/6/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 56-26 ) - Won NBA title

2002 - 25/6/6, All NBA, All Defense ( 58-24 ) - Won NBA title

2003 - 30/7/6, All NBA, All Defense ( 50-32 ) - lost to NBA champs

2004 - 24/6/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 56-26 ) - lost to NBA champs

2005 - 28/6/6, All NBA, All Defense ( 34-48 ) - surgery/rebuild

2006 - 35/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 45-37 ) - lost to #2 seed

2007 - 32/6/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 42-40 ) - lost to #1 seed

2008 - 28/6/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 57-25 ) - lost to NBA champs

2009 - 27/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 65-17 ) - Won NBA title

2010 - 27/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 57-25 ) - Won NBA title

2011 - 25/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 57-25 ) - lost to NBA champs

2012 - 28/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 41-25 ) - lost to WCF champs

2013 - 27/6/6, All NBA, All Defense ( 45-37 ) - lost to WCF champs
2014 - torn achilles -


this isnt longevity?

this isnt contending?




and how does anyone who doubles up bird in nearly everything not have longevity? what does that say about bird if it were even half way true
:facepalm

[TheMarkMadsen]

does anybody want to attempt to make an argument against the facts in the OP or are yall just gonna bitch the whole time?

Kenneth got the haters shook

:roll: :roll:

[ShawkFactory]

does anybody want to attempt to make an argument against the facts in the OP or are yall just gonna bitch the whole time?

Kenneth got the haters shook

:roll: :roll:
Why would anybody waste their time giving a troll exactly what he wants?

Nobody is shook.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Why would anybody waste their time giving a troll exactly what he wants?

Nobody is shook.

then why haven't you addressed anything in the OP?

you've been responding as it is.. why not respond with something other than emoticons and actually address the facts in the OP?

If he's a troll and is as dumb as you claim then proving him wrong and making him look like a fool should be easy..?

he's talking scoring and all nba awards, posting facts..you're posting emoticons and 2 liners.. who's the troll again?

[DonDadda59]

umm..

1998 - 15/3/3, All star ( 61-21 ) - lost to WCF champs

1999 - 20/5/4, All NBA ( 31-19 ) - lost to WCF champs

2000 - 23/6/5, All NBA,All Defense ( 67-15 ) - Won NBA title

2001 - 29/6/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 56-26 ) - Won NBA title

2002 - 25/6/6, All NBA, All Defense ( 58-24 ) - Won NBA title

2003 - 30/7/6, All NBA, All Defense ( 50-32 ) - lost to NBA champs

2004 - 24/6/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 56-26 ) - lost to NBA champs

2005 - 28/6/6, All NBA, All Defense ( 34-48 ) - surgery/rebuild

2006 - 35/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 45-37 ) - lost to #2 seed

2007 - 32/6/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 42-40 ) - lost to #1 seed

2008 - 28/6/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 57-25 ) - lost to NBA champs

2009 - 27/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 65-17 ) - Won NBA title

2010 - 27/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 57-25 ) - Won NBA title

2011 - 25/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 57-25 ) - lost to NBA champs

2012 - 28/5/5, All NBA, All Defense ( 41-25 ) - lost to WCF champs

2013 - 27/6/6, All NBA, All Defense ( 45-37 ) - lost to WCF champs
2014 - torn achilles -


this isnt longevity?

this isnt contending?




and how does anyone who doubles up bird in nearly everything not have longevity? what does that say about bird if it were even half way true

Bruh, I never said he didn't have longevity... just said he didn't have the sort of impactful and consistently winning longevity of a Kareem or Duncan. And before you get into that 'buh buh buh he didn't have help those years'... the Lakers went out and got him top level talent, only for Bean's hardheadedness and inability to adapt to a different style of play with his deteriorating ability causing said talent to look for greener pastures. Can you imagine if Duncan or Kareem had insisted on chucking terrible shots and playing outside the team system in their mid-late 30s and refusing to change their approach?

Duncan would not still be contending for/winning titles at 38 ala Kareem.

[kennethgriffin]

Why would anybody waste their time giving a troll exactly what he wants?

Nobody is shook.


really getting tired of the whole "trolling" excuse people give my threads


if all i do is post facts and theyre so overwhelming to the point where they come accross as ignorant and mean.

then what does that say about kobe? ... it means he's so damn good. it hurts to look at if you're not a fan of his. its simply too much to handle

if i were to remake this thread. and instead put a guy who does actually compare to kobe ( like say michael jordan )

then everyone would take it seriously.

because his scoring milestones mirror kobes. and in some cases surpass

his all nba's and all defenses compare.. and in some cases kobe surpasses



when its a valid conversation people take it seriously... in this case. its so GOD DAMN lopsided it pisses people off

thats not my fault.

kobe/jordan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bird

[TheMarkMadsen]

Bruh, I never said he didn't have longevity... just said he didn't have the sort of impactful and consistently winning longevity of a Kareem or Duncan. And before you get into that 'buh buh buh he didn't have help those years. Can you imagine if Duncan or Kareem had insisted on chucking terrible shots and playing outside the team system in their mid-late 30s and refusing to change their approach?

Duncan would not still be contending for/winning titles at 38 ala Kareem.

Kobe has less first round losses than Kareem and the same number as Duncan.

Same amount of rings as Duncan, has made more finals.

but doesn't have the consistent winning longevity as these guys..

[kennethgriffin]

Bruh, I never said he didn't have longevity... just said he didn't have the sort of impactful and consistently winning longevity of a Kareem or Duncan. And before you get into that 'buh buh buh he didn't have help those years'... the Lakers went out and got him top level talent, only for Bean's hardheadedness and inability to adapt to a different style of play with his deteriorating ability causing said talent to look for greener pastures. Can you imagine if Duncan or Kareem had insisted on chucking terrible shots and playing outside the team system in their mid-late 30s and refusing to change their approach?

Duncan would not still be contending for/winning titles at 38 ala Kareem.


in terms of above average/health longevity... duncan had more

int terms of elite longevity... kobe had more


duncans elite status was from 1999-2005

kobes elite status was from 2001-2013

[SouBeachTalents]

in terms of above average/health longevity... duncan had more

int terms of elite longevity... kobe had more


duncans elite status was from 1999-2005

kobes elite status was from 2001-2013

Lol, you cut Duncan's elite seasons a couple of years short. He's definitely still elite until at least '07

[ShawkFactory]

then why haven't you addressed anything in the OP?

you've been responding as it is.. why not respond with something other than emoticons and actually address the facts in the OP?

If he's a troll and is as dumb as you claim then proving him wrong and making him look like a fool should be easy..?

he's talking scoring and all nba awards, posting facts..you're posting emoticons and 2 liners.. who's the troll again?
I don't need to prove him wrong. There's no point in going through the effort to make an actual analytical response. Yes, Kobe was a better volume scorer than Bird. Yes, Kobe played more seasons. Yes, Kobe had more All-Defense teams. That's literally all the OP addressed before making the conclusion that Bird has no argument over Kobe as a player. Do you seriously not see why there's no point in making an intelligent response? Especially given the OPs posting history. Get Kobe's dick out of your mouth and look at who made this thread.

I don't want it if its that easy.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

:biggums:
in terms of above average/health longevity... duncan had more

int terms of elite longevity... kobe had more


duncans elite status was from 1999-2005

kobes elite status was from 2001-2013
One is still a big contributor on a perennial contender, the other is shitting all over his own team and legacy.

[kennethgriffin]

Lol, you cut Duncan's elite seasons a couple of years short. He's definitely still elite until at least '07


thats still short of kobe

[DonDadda59]

Kobe has less first round losses than Kareem and the same number as Duncan.

Same amount of rings as Duncan, has made more finals.

but doesn't have the consistent winning longevity as these guys..

:rolleyes:

How many times did a team featuring Tim Duncan lose less than 50 games in a season (not counting lock outs)? You could even go with advanced stats if you like. What are their career win%, win shares, etc?

How many games would the Spurs win in a season with a 38 year old Timmy taking 22+ shots per game while shooting 38%? How many games would they win had he chased Parker, Ginobli, or Leonard away with his ego maniacal ways?


duncans elite status was from 1999-2005

Duncan was a top 5 MVP candidate his rookie year bruh and was still elite until knee injuries hit him around 2009-2010. He had a dip in productivity, but rebounded nicely when he got healthier. Hell, he was still an all star this season at 38.

[ralph_i_el]

Tl;Dr Kenneth is a ******

[Ancient Legend]

Larry Bird was a better player, Kobe had the better career, simple as that.

[TheMarkMadsen]

:rolleyes:

How many times did a team featuring Tim Duncan lose less than 50 games in a season (not counting lock outs)? You could even go with advanced stats if you like. What are their career win%, win shares, etc?

How many games would the Spurs win in a season with a 38 year old Timmy taking 22+ shots per game while shooting 38%? How many games would they win had he chased Parker, Ginobli, or Leonard away with his ego maniacal ways?

:biggums:


Why do you act like things would be different if the Lakers would have kept Dwight? Both he and Kobe would have been out for majority of the season and the Lakers would be in the same position they are now..

and if he would have stayed for last year we still don't make the playoffs?

and Duncan isn't good enough to be the go to guy on his team anymore, and if Kobe was scoring 14 points per game while winning championships like Duncan is haters like you would be rushing to discredit him for that. Duncan isn't the best defensive or offensive player on his team yet he gets lauded for winning championships in that role, if that was Kobe those ring wouldn't even count

[ShawkFactory]

really getting tired of the whole "trolling" excuse people give my threads


if all i do is post facts and theyre so overwhelming to the point where they come accross as ignorant and mean.

then what does that say about kobe? ... it means he's so damn good. it hurts to look at if you're not a fan of his. its simply too much to handle

if i were to remake this thread. and instead put a guy who does actually compare to kobe ( like say michael jordan )

then everyone would take it seriously.

because his scoring milestones mirror kobes. and in some cases surpass

his all nba's and all defenses compare.. and in some cases kobe surpasses



when its a valid conversation people take it seriously... in this case. its so GOD DAMN lopsided it pisses people off

thats not my fault.

kobe/jordan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bird
So what you're saying is that you're sincere but just stupid? I'd take the trolling angle bruh

[kennethgriffin]

:rolleyes:

How many times did a team featuring Tim Duncan lose less than 50 games in a season (not counting lock outs)? You could even go with advanced stats if you like. What are their career win%, win shares, etc?

How many games would the Spurs win in a season with a 38 year old Timmy taking 22+ shots per game while shooting 38%? How many games would they win had he chased Parker, Ginobli, or Leonard away with his ego maniacal ways?


duncan from 1998-2015 ( 18 years ) had

- a legendary coach
- a top 50 all time sidekick
- a stacked roster

he managed 5 titles/6 finals





while kobe bryant


1997 - no legendary coach
1998 - no legendary coach
1999 - no legendary coach
2000 ( had all 3 )
2001 - no stacked roster
2002 - no stacked roster
2003 - no stacked roster
2004 ( had all 3 )
2005 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2006 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2008 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2009 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2010 - no top 50 all time sidekick
2011 - no top 50 all time sidekick
2012 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick
2013 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick
2014 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2015 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster




kobe had JUST 2 TIMES in 19 years what duncan had 18 times IN ALL 18 YEARS


and still managed more finals/same titles

[DonDadda59]

Why do you act like things would be different if the Lakers would have kept Dwight? Both he and Kobe would have been out for majority of the season and the Lakers would be in the same position they are now..

Lot of hypotheticals there. Main reason for Kobe's injuries in most people's estimation was due to him trying to do too much, too late in his career. If Dwight had stayed and Kobe had been willing to play more of a facilitator role, possible that his body doesn't go through the same traumatic stress. Who knows how the dominoes fall from there.


and Duncan isn't good enough to be the go to guy on his team anymore, and if Kobe was scoring 14 points per game while winning championships like Duncan is haters like you would be rushing to discredit him for that. Duncan isn't the best defensive or offensive player on his team yet he gets lauded for winning championships in that role, if that was Kobe those ring wouldn't even count

Duncan is easily the most important player on the Spurs. Who even has an argument over him? :biggums:

SA has dealt with injuries to key guys all season long, Parker has been trash this year... Duncan kept the team afloat through all that while being recognized as an all star... at age 38.

[tpols]

Bruh, I never said he didn't have longevity... just said he didn't have the sort of impactful and consistently winning longevity of a Kareem or Duncan. And before you get into that 'buh buh buh he didn't have help those years'... the Lakers went out and got him top level talent, only for Bean's hardheadedness and inability to adapt to a different style of play with his deteriorating ability causing said talent to look for greener pastures. Can you imagine if Duncan or Kareem had insisted on chucking terrible shots and playing outside the team system in their mid-late 30s and refusing to change their approach?

Duncan would not still be contending for/winning titles at 38 ala Kareem.

You're making a nonsensical argument since duncan hasn't been his team best offensive player in 10+ years. Manu has had higher real onffensive impact by a lot since then.. and parker has emerged a bit later along with their 3 pt shooting and passing.. He's never had to carry any sort of offensive load in a looong time.

Kobe had dwight... who was a.. negative offensively. By all real data he was negative with his touches but he demanded the ball more. While kobe had amazing offensive impact with his touches.. but dwight was the young guy who wanted the offensive responsibility and attention . Problem was he just wasn't all that effective offensively.. he made no one better and lack of ft efficiency and turnovers were killers individually.

The different roles.. Duncan being a center and defender first and foremost while kobe always being an offensive guy.. just dumb comparison. Kareem had arguably the greatest team offensive force on his team as well.so another dumb comparison

Kobe didn't concede to a negative offensive impact dwight..

And that makes him worse than duncan conceding to all time dominant perimeter offense and kareem conceeding to fking magic showtime.

Ok.

[SouBeachTalents]

duncan from 1998-2015 ( 18 years ) had

- a legendary coach
- a top 50 all time sidekick
- a stacked roster

he managed 5 titles/6 finals





while kobe bryant


1997 - no legendary coach
1998 - no legendary coach
1999 - no legendary coach
2000 ( had all 3 )
2001 - no stacked roster
2002 - no stacked roster
2003 - no stacked roster
2004 ( had all 3 )
2005 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2006 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2008 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2009 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2010 - no top 50 all time sidekick
2011 - no top 50 all time sidekick
2012 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick
2013 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick
2014 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2015 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster




kobe had JUST 2 TIMES in 19 years what duncan had 18 times IN ALL 18 YEARS


and still managed more finals/same titles

Lol, just gonna play it off that he had who many consider to be the MDE at his peak as well as who many consider to be the GOAT coach for most of his career

[kennethgriffin]

Lol, just gonna play it off that he had who many consider to be the MDE at his peak as well as who many consider to be the GOAT coach for most of his career


pop and phil are almost dead even

pop for 18 years > phil for 10 years

[kennethgriffin]

and i'd rather have

david rodinson + a legendary coach or parker/ginobili + a legendary coach for 18 years

than shaq for just 8 years ( with only half of that time even having a coach who could get the best out of that fat lazy insecure idiot

[LAZERUSS]

Kobe's career was better, and he was a better scorer, but Bird was a slightly better shooter, a better rebounder, and a much better passer. Bird had a better peak run, as well..

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

then why haven't you addressed anything in the OP?

you've been responding as it is.. why not respond with something other than emoticons and actually address the facts in the OP?

If he's a troll and is as dumb as you claim then proving him wrong and making him look like a fool should be easy..?

he's talking scoring and all nba awards, posting facts..you're posting emoticons and 2 liners.. who's the troll again?
How about the thread title for one? It's pure unadulterated troll bait.

Secondly, the OP consists of longevity awards, ppg and scoring being the emphasis. If anyone's ever watched Larry Bird or his game tape, they would know his overall offensive prowess is what gets highlighted when we talk about his ATG supremacy. All-teams and mere scoring records? They don't mean much, and do a complete disservice to player comparisons.

OT, but its funny that I am always having to explain the obvious to you. At first I thought you played stupid, but now I am seriously contemplating (?) on whether or not you're legitimately retarded.

[ShawkFactory]

duncan from 1998-2015 ( 18 years ) had

- a legendary coach
- a top 50 all time sidekick
- a stacked roster

he managed 5 titles/6 finals





while kobe bryant


1997 - no legendary coach
1998 - no legendary coach
1999 - no legendary coach
2000 ( had all 3 )
2001 - no stacked roster
2002 - no stacked roster
2003 - no stacked roster
2004 ( had all 3 )
2005 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2006 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2008 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2009 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2010 - no top 50 all time sidekick
2011 - no top 50 all time sidekick
2012 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick
2013 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick
2014 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2015 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster




kobe had JUST 2 TIMES in 19 years what duncan had 18 times IN ALL 18 YEARS


and still managed more finals/same titles
So Duncan had a stacked roster and a top 50 sidekick EVERY year in his EIGHTEEN years?!

18?!

18?!?!

18?!?!?!

And Kobe had it twice?!

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously?

[DonDadda59]

You're making a nonsensical argument since duncan hasn't been his team best offensive player in 10+ years. Manu has had higher real onffensive impact by a lot since then.. and parker has emerged a bit later along with their 3 pt shooting and passing.. He's never had to carry any sort of offensive load in a looong time.

Kobe had dwight... who was a.. negative offensively. By all real data he was negative with his touches but he demanded the ball more. While kobe had amazing offensive impact with his touches.. but dwight was the young guy who wanted the offensive responsibility and attention . Problem was he just wasn't all that effective offensively.. he made no one better and lack of ft efficiency and turnovers were killers individually.

The different roles.. Duncan being a center and defender first and foremost while kobe always being an offensive guy.. just dumb comparison. Kareem had arguably the greatest team offensive force on his team as well.so another dumb comparison

Kobe didn't concede to a negative offensive impact dwight..

And that makes him worse than duncan conceding to all time dominant perimeter offense and kareem conceeding to fking magic showtime.

Ok.

Everyone and their grandmother knows that the only time the Lakers enjoyed any success in the past 3 seasons with Kobe was when he stopped chucking mindlessly and acted more in a facilitator/faux PG role. Even the most ardent chuckbe fan will concede that. My point is, if Duncan kept insisting on playing like '03 Duncan in 2015 when he is FAR past his prime form ala Kobe and was chucking 20+ times per game, shooting 36%, and playing no defense... would the Spurs be competing for championships? :confusedshrug:


pop and phil are almost dead even

pop for 18 years > phil for 10 years

Part of the reason Phil left in the first place was Kobe. Wrote a book about it and everything. :lol

[kennethgriffin]

So Duncan had a stacked roster and a top 50 sidekick EVERY year in his EIGHTEEN years?!

18?!

18?!?!

18?!?!?!

And Kobe had it twice?!

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously?


98 popovich/robinson 22/11/3 avrey/vinny/elliott/jackson/person
99 popovich/robinson 16/10/3 avrey/elliott/ellie/jackson/kerr/kersey/daniels
00 popovich/robinson 18/10/2 avery/ellie/porter/jackson/rose/daniels/elliott
01 popovich/robinson 15/9/2 anderson/daniels/elliott/rose/porter/avery/ferry
02 popovich/robinson 13/8/2 parker/smith/rose/daniels/bowen/porter/jackson
03 popovich/parker 15/5/3 robinson/ginobili/jackson/rose/bowen/smith/willis
04 popovich/parker 15/6/3 ginobili/hedo/rasho/rose/bowen/horry/mercer
05 popovich/parker 17/6/4 ginobili/glen/bruce/brent/rose/nazr/horry/beno
06 popovich/parker 19/6/3 ginobili/finley/bowen/nazr/brent/exel/horry/beno
07 popovich/parker 19/6/3 ginobili/finley/barry/white/bowen/horry/beno
08 popovich/parker 19/6/3 ginobili/finley/barry/bowen/oberto/bonner/vaughn
09 popovich/parker 22/7/3 ginobili/mason/gooden/finley/hill/bonner/bowen
10 popovich/parker 16/6/3 ginobili/hill/jefferson/blair/mason/mcdeyes/finley
11 popovich/parker 18/7/3 ginobili/hill/jefferson/neal/blair/mcdeyes/green
12 popovich/parker 18/8/3 ginobili/mills/neal/blair/splitter/jefferson/green
13 popovich/parker 20/8/3 Leonard/ginobili/green/splitter/neal/jackson/diaw
14 popovich/parker 17/6/2 Leonard/ginobili/marco/mills/diaw/green/splitter
15 popovich/parker 15/5/2 Leonard/ginobili/green/marco/diaw/splitter/mills



always

1. legendary coach
2. top 50 all time team mate
3. stacked roster

[ShawkFactory]

98 popovich/robinson 22/11/3 avrey/vinny/elliott/jackson/person
99 popovich/robinson 16/10/3 avrey/elliott/ellie/jackson/kerr/kersey/daniels
00 popovich/robinson 18/10/2 avery/ellie/porter/jackson/rose/daniels/elliott
01 popovich/robinson 15/9/2 anderson/daniels/elliott/rose/porter/avery/ferry
02 popovich/robinson 13/8/2 parker/smith/rose/daniels/bowen/porter/jackson
03 popovich/parker 15/5/3 robinson/ginobili/jackson/rose/bowen/smith/willis
04 popovich/parker 15/6/3 ginobili/hedo/rasho/rose/bowen/horry/mercer
05 popovich/parker 17/6/4 ginobili/glen/bruce/brent/rose/nazr/horry/beno
06 popovich/parker 19/6/3 ginobili/finley/bowen/nazr/brent/exel/horry/beno
07 popovich/parker 19/6/3 ginobili/finley/barry/white/bowen/horry/beno
08 popovich/parker 19/6/3 ginobili/finley/barry/bowen/oberto/bonner/vaughn
09 popovich/parker 22/7/3 ginobili/mason/gooden/finley/hill/bonner/bowen
10 popovich/parker 16/6/3 ginobili/hill/jefferson/blair/mason/mcdeyes/finley
11 popovich/parker 18/7/3 ginobili/hill/jefferson/neal/blair/mcdeyes/green
12 popovich/parker 18/8/3 ginobili/mills/neal/blair/splitter/jefferson/green
13 popovich/parker 20/8/3 Leonard/ginobili/green/splitter/neal/jackson/diaw
14 popovich/parker 17/6/2 Leonard/ginobili/marco/mills/diaw/green/splitter
15 popovich/parker 15/5/2 Leonard/ginobili/green/marco/diaw/splitter/mills



always

1. legendary coach
2. top 50 all time team mate
3. stacked roster
My god. Just stop.

I would put up an argument but I'm sure people have already told you what I would say, only to have it be ignored and/or twisted weirdly.

Also, Duncan has played 17 years, not 18. Bird was 6-9, not 6-10. Kobe is 6'6, not 6'5.

Again, you expect people to take you seriously?

[kennethgriffin]

My god. Just stop.

I would put up an argument but I'm sure people have already told you what I would say, only to have it be ignored and/or twisted weirdly.

Also, Duncan has played 17 years, not 18. Bird was 6-9, not 6-10. Kobe is 6'6, not 6'5.

Again, you expect people to take you seriously?



its so funny watching everyone beg for mercy

:roll:


no argument against facts...

why bother responding at all? just walk away if you can't refute evidence

[NZStreetBaller]

its so funny watching everyone beg for mercy

:roll:


no argument against facts...

why bother responding at all? just walk away if you can't refute evidence

I wish i could harness the time and energy you put into all this into doing some basketball practise. Id be in the nba in no time!!!

[ShawkFactory]

its so funny watching everyone beg for mercy

:roll:


no argument against facts...

why bother responding at all? just walk away if you can't refute evidence
Posting facts in no way means that you have a credible argument. You probably can't discern that tho.

You lie AND post everything completely out of context. I not gonna argue with you that water is wet. I'm also not going to argue with you if you use the fact that water is wet to say that water is better than pizza, ignoring every other factor.

One last time and I'm done: you expect people to take you seriously?

[kennethgriffin]

Posting facts in no way means that you have a credible argument. You probably can't discern that tho.

You lie AND post everything completely out of context. I not gonna argue with you that water is wet. I'm also not going to argue with you if you use the fact that water is wet to say that water is better than pizza, ignoring every other factor.

One last time and I'm done: you expect people to take you seriously?


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[tpols]

Everyone and their grandmother knows that the only time the Lakers enjoyed any success in the past 3 seasons with Kobe was when he stopped chucking mindlessly and acted more in a facilitator/faux PG role. Even the most ardent chuckbe fan will concede that. My point is, if Duncan kept insisting on playing like '03 Duncan in 2015 when he is FAR past his prime form ala Kobe and was chucking 20+ times per game, shooting 36%, and playing no defense... would the Spurs be competing for championships? :confusedshrug:



Part of the reason Phil left in the first place was Kobe. Wrote a book about it and everything. :lol

03 duncan shot 17 fgas per game... He's never been a guy who the team was solely reliant on for offense.. and in old age duncan has had legendary offensive help.

Kareem not chucking when he has prime magic lol..


We're basically comparing magic johnson James Worthy manu ginobili and Tony parker to dwight howard.. amazing ins8ght. Kobe should've assumed role of elite rim protector. Damn he fked up.

[Im Still Ballin]

Don likes to speak out of his ass alot

[DonDadda59]

03 duncan shot 17 fgas per game... He's never been a guy who the team was solely reliant on for offense.. and in old age duncan has had legendary offensive help.

You're not following what I'm trying to explain to you here...

I'm saying that the reason Duncan has had uninterrupted success in his career, specifically later, is because he doesn't force terrible shots and destroy his team's offensive flow by trying to play like his prime self when he's clearly not physically able to do so.

What 'legendary' help does Duncan have? A lot of the guys on the Spurs last year were D-Leaguers who were cut by other squads. Kobe's 2013 squad had more 'legendary' help by a large degree. They were a massive disappointment while Chuckbe was out there shooting them out of games and only found any semblance of success when he started playing within the system, being more of a facilitator... which is something that became a recurring theme for the Lakers the past 3 seasons.


Kareem not chucking when he has prime magic lol..

Exactly. And he wouldn't have been chucking while playing at 36+ if he had Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol calibre talent on his squad either. They would've gotten a lot further than the 8th seed (technically they were 10th when the achilles gave out).


We're basically comparing magic johnson James Worthy manu ginobili and Tony parker to dwight howard.. amazing ins8ght. Kobe should've assumed role of elite rim protector. Damn he fked up.

Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol*

Dwight led his team to the finals and won multiple DPOY and rebounding titles. But somehow Manu is 'legendary' compared to him while coming off the bench? Stop it. :lol

And Bean didn't have to be an interior presence. But playing even a little defense would be nice.


Don likes to speak out of his ass alot

Very close to revoking your posting rights bitch. Keep it up.

[Imtheman]

Op is right. Anyone who thinks Bird > Kobe need to watch old Kobe film.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe's career was better, and he was a better scorer, but Bird was a slightly better shooter, a better rebounder, and a much better passer. Bird had a better peak run, as well..

Defense? Kobe > Bird

[Harison]

tl;dr

Bird > Kobe
+1

[Hey Yo]

Kobe has less first round losses than Kareem and the same number as Duncan.

Same amount of rings as Duncan, has made more finals.

but doesn't have the consistent winning longevity as these guys..
That's because Kobe had so many less years as the 1st option than KAJ and Duncan did.

Kobe's first 3 years as 1st option, he missed the playoffs and then bounced in the first round in B2B years. That's including choking a 3-1 lead.

[Cold soul]

Even though I find Kobe stans annoying ... I'll agree with the specific point.

Kobe Bryant, when factoring in longevity to the equation, has had a better career than Larry Bird.

Kobe has better career due to longevity but as players both are in same class.

[LAZERUSS]

Kobe has better career due to longevity but as players both are in same class.

Agreed.

I personally have Kobe, Lebron, Bird, Moses, Hakeem, and Dr. J in the 8-13 range...and in almost any order. Barring injury, though, and Lebron will pass them all.

[BlakFrankWhite]

-Bird had 50-40-90 season multiple times...Kobe never did.
-Bird never colluded.....Kobe did twice(2003-04,2012-13)

Kobe may be called a better scorer than Bird, but playmaking, rebounding and team D go Bird's way and he wasn't at all a bad scorer, especially at his peak.

[ShawkFactory]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
:confusedshrug:

Dawg...I just....I don't know. You're having trouble grasping simple things.

Just posting facts randomly doesn't mean you have a credible argument. Presenting facts in context and in a logical manner does. You fail that second part spectacularly, and consistently.

[hiphopfan777]

Bird developed parish and mc Hale. His team went from 19 to 62 wins birds rookie year. Kobe makes his teammates worse. Look how well pau is playing without him.

[KevinNYC]

and i love larry bird. but....

all bird has on kobe is 2 more regular season mvps. ( and i don't even feel a need to explain why that award is bogus. even if it were legit i dont think it would be enough to over come at this point
You seemed to have left out some stats

Bird had 5 seasons where he shot more than 50% from the field.
Kobe has zero seasons shot 50% he topped out at 47%.

Kobe has three seasons with 6 or more assists per game. Another with 5.9 for his 4 highest.
Bird has 8 seasons with 6 or more assists. (Another two at 5.8)

Kobe highest rebounds per game was 6.9
Bird has 11 seasons where he averaged 9 or more. (three where he averaged 10.9 or more.)

In addition to his three MVP awards Bird was also second in MVP voting 4 times.

[KevinNYC]

-Bird had 50-40-90 season multiple times...Kobe never did.

Another way of putting that is

Kobe never had a 50% season.
Kobe never had a 40% season.
Kobe never had a 90% season.

[T_L_P]

ITT: Tony Parker is top 50 of all time. :oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

Another way of putting that is

Kobe never had a 50% season.
Kobe never had a 40% season.
Kobe never had a 90% season.
Kobe also never stole an inbound pass and assisted a game-winner against the bad boy pistons in the playoffs. Bird > Kobe

[kennethgriffin]

ITT: Tony Parker is top 50 of all time. :oldlol:


Ummm...

Really?

4 championships/5 nba finals
Finals mvp
leading playmaker for all titles
Leading scorer for 2 of his titles
Arguably the best point guard in the nba for the last 10 years


If ray allen doesnt hit that shit tony parker has 2 finals mvps
Parker averaged the same ppg as finals mvp kawhi leonard ... then maybe has 3 awards

A point and a shot away from being a top 20 player all time


isnt a top 50 player all time?

[SouBeachTalents]

Ummm...

Really?

4 championships/5 nba finals
Finals mvp
leading playmaker for all titles
Leading scorer for 2 of his titles
Arguably the best point guard in the nba for the last 10 years


If ray allen doesnt hit that shit tony parker has 2 finals mvps
Parker averaged the same ppg as finals mvp kawhi leonard ... then maybe has 3 awards

A point and a shot away from being a top 20 player all time


isnt a top 50 player all time?

I don't think anyone rationale would say Parker's been better than CP3 over the past decade

Also, Duncan is getting Finals MVP in 2013 if the Spurs win. And Kawhi definitely deserved Finals MVP over Parker last year

[T_L_P]

Ummm...

Really?

4 championships/5 nba finals
Finals mvp
leading playmaker for all titles
Leading scorer for 2 of his titles
Arguably the best point guard in the nba for the last 10 years

1.) An overwhelming net negative on two of those 4 teams.
2.) Yes, he has a Finals MVP
3.) Duncan was the main playmaker in 03, Manu in 05
4.) Leading scorer for 1 of his titles

Top 50 player of all time? He's probably that based solely on team accomplishments. His actual play? Please.. Dude's not even the 2nd best Spur of the 2000s.

[kennethgriffin]

1.) An overwhelming net negative on two of those 4 teams.
2.) Yes, he has a Finals MVP
3.) Duncan was the main playmaker in 03, Manu in 05
4.) Leading scorer for 1 of his titles

Top 50 player of all time? He's probably that based solely on team accomplishments. His actual play? Please.. Dude's not even the 2nd best Spur of the 2000s.

1. which one of these was tony parker a negative

2003 - 16/3/5
2005 - 17/4/6
2007 - 19/3/6
2014 - 17/2/6

2. indeed he was Finals MVP... indeed .. OVER a 30 year old legend top 10 player all time

3. Spurs assist leader in 2003 = tony parker 5.3 per game, duncan 4.9 per game

you can say duncan lead in the playoffs. but thats not the entire year. seasons count too.

.....

spurs assist leader in 2005 = tony parker 6.1 per game, manu 3.9 per game


and even in the playoffs parker was team leader with 4.3 per game

i dunno about the finals. i'm assuming thats your cherry picked 4 game stat... and if thats the case.. i'l argue manu over duncan as finals mvp if thats all we're counting... since 20ppg on 60% with team leading assists is better than 20ppg on 40%

right sh*t head?

:lol


4. tony parker was leading scorer in 2014 with 16.7ppg
also leading scorer in the playoffs with 17.4ppg


and did lead the finals in scoring in 2007

but "TLP then claimed the season average of duncan"

which means TLP chooses / cherry picks based on what fits his agenda

selecting a season average for duncan. but a finals assist average for manu



meaning i can flip flop too by your own criteria and claim tony was leading scorer for 2 titles




and the most ironic thing about your statement was the last bit "top 50 player all time on team accomplishments"

just funny hearing that come out of a duncan fan of all people.. considering duncan without his team accomplishments wouldnt be a top 25 player all time. while kobe without his rings would still have a career resembling a guy like elgin baylor whos top 13-15 all time



you lose again

[Siemens]

tl;dr

Bird > Kobe

This.

[warriorfan]

Kobe has more rapes than larry bird

[toxicxr6]

Boiled down
5/3/2>>>> 5/2/1

Duncan>bird>>>>>>>>>>>>kobe


:cheers:

[ShawkFactory]

Ummm...

Really?

4 championships/5 nba finals
Finals mvp
leading playmaker for all titles
Leading scorer for 2 of his titles
Arguably the best point guard in the nba for the last 10 years


If ray allen doesnt hit that shit tony parker has 2 finals mvps
Parker averaged the same ppg as finals mvp kawhi leonard ... then maybe has 3 awards

A point and a shot away from being a top 20 player all time


isnt a top 50 player all time?
You say Duncan has had a stacked team for his whole career. If that's true then Parker has had the most stacked team/help ever. He's had a legendary coach, a stacked roster, AND the best player of his generation carrying him. Not top 50.

And without the team accomplishments Kobe is not an Elgin Baylor type. That's absolutely laughable. He's a slightly better version of Carmelo. A great scorer but career chucker and loser/rapist.

[k0kakw0rld]

then why haven't you addressed anything in the OP?

you've been responding as it is.. why not respond with something other than emoticons and actually address the facts in the OP?

If he's a troll and is as dumb as you claim then proving him wrong and making him look like a fool should be easy..?

he's talking scoring and all nba awards, posting facts..you're posting emoticons and 2 liners.. who's the troll again?
:applause:

[k0kakw0rld]

Lot of hypotheticals there. Main reason for Kobe's injuries in most people's estimation was due to him trying to do too much, too late in his career. If Dwight had stayed and Kobe had been willing to play more of a facilitator role, possible that his body doesn't go through the same traumatic stress. Who knows how the dominoes fall from there.



Duncan is easily the most important player on the Spurs. Who even has an argument over him? :biggums:

SA has dealt with injuries to key guys all season long, Parker has been trash this year... Duncan kept the team afloat through all that while being recognized as an all star... at age 38.

Not 100% but he is in act their best player.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Efficiency? RPG? APG? SPG? BPG?

[ShawkFactory]

Efficiency? RPG? APG? SPG? BPG?
Kobe is shorter, and is thus excused from all of the areas where Bird is clearly superior.

When comparing players to Kobe, one need only consider the things Kobe does well.

[stanlove1111]

Your correct. 2 Larry Birds equal about 3 Kobe Bryants.

[ImKobe]

A very in-depth analysis regarding the basketball abilities of both Mr. Kobe "Bean" Bryant and Mr. Larry "Legend" Bird. I agree with OP.

[DonDadda59]

5 Kobe Bryants don't equal 1 Michael Jordan

MVPs- Jordan 5, Kobe 1 (5X)
Finals MVPs- Jordan 6, Kobe 2 (3X)
Scoring Titles- Jordan 10, Kobe 2 (5X)

Am I doing it right? :confusedshrug:


Not 100% but he is in act their best player.

Kawhi > Parker this season. Duncan as easily been their best player this season, their one constant keeping them afloat throughout their injury plagued year and Parker's sluggish play.

[ShawkFactory]

5 Kobe Bryants don't equal 1 Michael Jordan

MVPs- Jordan 5, Kobe 1 (5X)
Finals MVPs- Jordan 6, Kobe 2 (3X)
Scoring Titles- Jordan 10, Kobe 2 (5X)

Am I doing it right? :confusedshrug:



Kawhi > Parker this season. Duncan as easily been their best player this season, their one constant keeping them afloat throughout their injury plagued year and Parker's sluggish play.
OUCH

[T_L_P]

Not 100% but he is in act their best player.

"The Spurs with Tony Parker off the floor have the 2nd best point differential in the league.

With him on the floor they are essentially the Sacramento Kings."

Mainstream "Spurs" fan. :facepalm

[sportjames23]

5 Kobe Bryants don't equal 1 Michael Jordan

MVPs- Jordan 5, Kobe 1 (5X)
Finals MVPs- Jordan 6, Kobe 2 (3X)
Scoring Titles- Jordan 10, Kobe 2 (5X)

Am I doing it right? :confusedshrug:




http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/4294670/mj-shrugs-shoulders-o.gif

[kennethgriffin]

5 Kobe Bryants don't equal 1 Michael Jordan

MVPs- Jordan 5, Kobe 1 (5X)
Finals MVPs- Jordan 6, Kobe 2 (3X)
Scoring Titles- Jordan 10, Kobe 2 (5X)

Am I doing it right? :confusedshrug:



Kawhi > Parker this season. Duncan as easily been their best player this season, their one constant keeping them afloat throughout their injury plagued year and Parker's sluggish play.


technically what you just said means 5 kobe bryants DO equal 1 michael jordan ( atleast in terms of regular season mvps which doesnt matter anyway... and total scoring titles. which yes jordan was great at getting )


but via my OP criteria.. its pretty even


Kobe Bryant:
30+ point games: 425
40+ point games: 119
50+ point games: 24
60+ point games: 5
70+ point games: 1
80+ point games: 1


Michael Jordan:
30+ point games: 389 (-36)
40+ point games: 142 (+23)
50+ point games: 27 (+3)
60+ point games: 4 (-1)
70+ point games: 0 (-1)
80+ point games: 0 (-1)









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Kobe Bryant


13 times top 10 in Points Per Game
12 times top 5 in Points Per Game
4 times top 2 in Points Per Game
2 times leader in Points Per Game


2000-01 NBA 28.5 (4)
2001-02 NBA 25.2 (6)
2002-03 NBA 30.0 (2)
2003-04 NBA 24.0 (4)
2004-05 NBA 27.6 (2)
2005-06 NBA 35.4 (1)
2006-07 NBA 31.6 (1)
2007-08 NBA 28.3 (2)
2008-09 NBA 26.8 (3)
2009-10 NBA 27.0 (4)
2010-11 NBA 25.3 (5)
2011-12 NBA 27.9 (2)
2012-13 NBA 27.3 (3)



Michael Jordan

11 times top 10 in Points Per Game (-2)
11 times top 5 in Points Per Game (-1)
10 times top 2 in Points Per Game (+6)
2 times leader in Points Per Game (+8)

1984-85 NBA 28.2 (3)
1986-87 NBA 37.1 (1)
1987-88 NBA 35.0 (1)
1988-89 NBA 32.5 (1)
1989-90 NBA 33.6 (1)
1990-91 NBA 31.5 (1)
1991-92 NBA 30.1 (1)
1992-93 NBA 32.6 (1)
1995-96 NBA 30.4 (1)
1996-97 NBA 29.6 (1)
1997-98 NBA 28.7 (1)

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Kobe Bryant


27 time All NBA/Defense
20 time All NBA/Defensive 1st team

1998-99 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
1999-00 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1999-00 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2000-01 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2000-01 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2001-02 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2011-12 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (1st)



Michael Jordan

20 time All NBA/Defense (-7)
19 time All NBA/Defensive 1st team (-1)


1984-85 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1986-87 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1987-88 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1987-88 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1988-89 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1988-89 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1989-90 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1989-90 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1990-91 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1990-91 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1991-92 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1991-92 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1992-93 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1992-93 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1995-96 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1995-96 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1996-97 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1996-97 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1997-98 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1997-98 NBA All-NBA (1st)

[kennethgriffin]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/4294670/mj-shrugs-shoulders-o.gif

funny how jordan hitting half (6) of kobes record (12) threes in one game is mystifying to the goat himself

2 jordans worth of shoulder shrug miricles = 1 kobe bryant

[TripleA]

2 final mvps vs 6 finals mvps

3 kobes equal 1 jordan

math

[DonDadda59]

How is it that Kobe played 4 seasons more, under optimal conditions for perimeter scorers... but has less 40 and 50 point games? :confusedshrug:


funny how jordan hitting half (6) of kobes record (12) threes in one game is mystifying to the goat himself

2 jordans worth of shoulder shrug miricles = 1 kobe bryant

This happened in the finals? :confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe Bryant


27 time All NBA/Defense
20 time All NBA/Defensive 1st team

1998-99 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
1999-00 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1999-00 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2000-01 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2000-01 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2001-02 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2011-12 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (1st)



Michael Jordan

20 time All NBA/Defense (-7)
19 time All NBA/Defensive 1st team (-1)


1984-85 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1986-87 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1987-88 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1987-88 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1988-89 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1988-89 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1989-90 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1989-90 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1990-91 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1990-91 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1991-92 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1991-92 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1992-93 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1992-93 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1995-96 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1995-96 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1996-97 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1996-97 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1997-98 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1997-98 NBA All-NBA (1st)

What's the point of posting these? Nobody on earth believes Kobe was either a better player or defender than Jordan was. I guess Kobe was a better defender than Payton or Pippen too since he has more All-Defensive selections

[ShawkFactory]

funny how jordan hitting half (6) of kobes record (12) threes in one game is mystifying to the goat himself

2 jordans worth of shoulder shrug miricles = 1 kobe bryant
I remember when Kobe hit those 12 threes in the first half of a finals game against a 60 win conference championship, en route to blowing them out.

Truly mystifying.

Did you know that Kobe has never scored more than 40 points in a finals game?! I would be embarrassed as a Jordan fan if he had never scored more than 40 in a finals game. Luckily, he's done it 6 times.

[SouBeachTalents]

I remember when Kobe hit those 12 threes in the first half of a finals game against a 60 win conference championship, en route to blowing them out.

Truly mystifying.

Did you know that Kobe has never scored more than 40 points in a finals game?! I would be embarrassed as a Jordan fan if he had never scored more than 40 in a finals game. Luckily, he's done it 6 times.

Also happened to AVERAGE 40 ppg in an entire Finals series

[kennethgriffin]

How is it that Kobe played 4 seasons more, under optimal conditions for perimeter scorers... but has less 40 and 50 point games? :confusedshrug:



This happened in the finals? :confusedshrug:

kobe just passed jordan in shots this season doofus

:lol

like a few weeks before passing him in points

jordan averaged 4 more FGA's per game for his career

many more chances at those high scoring games than kobe and barely out did him in 2 out of 6 categories

:lol

[kennethgriffin]

funny how kobe blasted duncan and bird with 5 gallons of piss during the course of this thread to the point where people had to fall back on jordan/kobe comparisons to even have an argument


:roll:


goats gonna goat right?

[kennethgriffin]

What's the point of posting these? Nobody on earth believes Kobe was either a better player or defender than Jordan was. I guess Kobe was a better defender than Payton or Pippen too since he has more All-Defensive selections

people believe in talking snakes too

[SouBeachTalents]

funny how kobe blasted duncan and bird with 5 gallons of piss during the course of this thread to the point where people had to fall back on jordan/kobe comparisons to even have an argument


:roll:


goats gonna goat right?

Also funny how Bird & Duncan will be ranked higher than Kobe as well

[kennethgriffin]

Also funny how Bird & Duncan will be ranked higher than Kobe as well

most of the world discounts facts in favor of religion

:lol

[24-Inch_Chrome]

most of the world discounts facts in favor of religion

:lol

That doesn't change the fact that both are greater than Kobe. :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

That doesn't change the fact that both are greater than Kobe. :oldlol:


facts do infact change the myth that both are greater than kobe. since you're arguing opinion over my research ( actual facts )

:oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

kobe just passed jordan in shots this season doofus

:lol

like a few weeks before passing him in points

jordan averaged 4 more FGA's per game for his career

many more chances at those high scoring games than kobe and barely out did him in 2 out of 6 categories

:lol

Fascinating. Truly.

How many 40+ scoring games did Bean have pre and post the rule changes of '05-'06?

Also, you have those postseason comparison stats? :confusedshrug:


funny how kobe blasted duncan and bird with 5 gallons of piss during the course of this thread to the point where people had to fall back on jordan/kobe comparisons to even have an argument

:kobe:

You just kept the discussion to mostly scoring for some reason when Bird (and Duncan) trounce Bean in other categories (rebounding, playmaking, defense, etc). I love how you disregarded Bird winning 3x as many MVPs as Kobe. I was just using your special ed math to show you that 5 Kobes don't equal 1 Jordan.

The only argument Bean has is playing longer (not on Duncan who is still competing for/winning rings) and chucking more.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

facts do infact change the myth that both are greater than kobe. since you're arguing opinion over my research ( actual facts )

:oldlol:

I'm arguing common sense over your silly agenda. :confusedshrug:

[kennethgriffin]

besides
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/11090247/all-nba-players


the public has kobe over duncan by a wide margin still

kobe has facts and opinion on his side


bird still has an edge in overall support. but kobe has the lead in first place votes by about 70%

[ShawkFactory]

funny how kobe blasted duncan and bird with 5 gallons of piss during the course of this thread to the point where people had to fall back on jordan/kobe comparisons to even have an argument


:roll:


goats gonna goat right?
That's not what it is at all. People are just showing you that using stupid arbitrary criteria like you do can make anything look lopsided.

And since you seem to think Kobe is on Jordan's level.

Bird and Duncan > Kobe but that's not really relevant at this point. People already made their arguments and you've ignored them so there's no need to talk further about it.

[SouBeachTalents]

besides
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/11090247/all-nba-players


the public has kobe over duncan by a wide margin still

kobe has facts and opinion on his side


bird still has an edge in overall support. but kobe has the lead in first place votes by about 70%

:roll: He uses the same list that has Bird over Kobe

[ShawkFactory]

besides
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/11090247/all-nba-players


the public has kobe over duncan by a wide margin still

kobe has facts and opinion on his side


bird still has an edge in overall support. but kobe has the lead in first place votes by about 70%
You just proved that Bird > Kobe.

[kennethgriffin]

Fascinating. Truly.

How many 40+ scoring games did Bean have pre and post the rule changes of '05-'06?

Also, you have those postseason comparison stats? :confusedshrug:



:kobe:

You just kept the discussion to mostly scoring for some reason when Bird (and Duncan) trounce Bean in other categories (rebounding, playmaking, defense, etc). I love how you disregarded Bird winning 3x as many MVPs as Kobe. I was just using your special ed math to show you that 5 Kobes don't equal 1 Jordan.

The only argument Bean has is playing longer (not on Duncan who is still competing for/winning rings) and chucking more.


didnt someone prove the changes in illegal defense and some zone hurt the scorers more than it helped



and if handchecking makes it easier to defend. then arent kobes defensive accomplishments that much more impressive? since he couldnt use his hands

pick one or the other

[kennethgriffin]

You just proved that Bird > Kobe.

yes bird has the overall opinion vote on his side

kobe has 800 more 1st place votes than bird though


my argument was never the opinion factor. i just used it cause someone argued even duncan has the opinion vote over kobe

which he doesnt..

[kennethgriffin]

:roll: He uses the same list that has Bird over Kobe


another moron


:lol


i more than willingly admit more people think bird is better. this thread is to prove theyre wrong


with duncan kobe beats him in both careers and opinion

[K Xerxes]

another moron


:lol


i more than willingly admit more people think bird is better. this thread is to prove theyre wrong


with duncan kobe beats him in both careers and opinion

5/3/2 without malignancy > 5/2/1 with malignancy

[Timmy D for MVP]

You're right the math doesn't work out.

Larry Bird: 6th greatest player of all time (x2=12)
Kobr Bryant: 10th greatest player of all time.

12 =/= 10.

But once Lebron is done we'll be closer.

[DonDadda59]

didnt someone prove the changes in illegal defense and some zone hurt the scorers more than it helped

If anyone said that, they're on the bath salts.

Post the stats chump. Personally, I think Bean had more 50 and 60 point games in 2005-06 alone (first season rules were implemented) than he did from 1996-2005. But I could be wrong. :confusedshrug:



and if handchecking makes it easier to defend. then arent kobes defensive accomplishments that much more impressive? since he couldnt use his hands

pick one or the other

Kobe was drafted in 1996, handchecking wasn't completely outlawed until 2005-06. Bean was clearly making all D teams on the reputation he built during the 3-peat era and not because he was actually a great defender, especially post 2008.

[kennethgriffin]

5/3/2 without malignancy > 5/2/1 with malignancy

i dunno what any of this means. all i know is more people think kobes better than duncan



you can disect their accomplishments all you want. kobe comes out ontop. duncan just has the 1 more fmvp and 1 more season mvp

kobe has like +50 more records, more overall achievements, more milestones, less overall help from teams/coaches with the same rings and more finals with the 4-2 heads up record in the playoffs


kobe having more 60 point games than duncan has 40 point games is just icing on the cake

[ShawkFactory]

didnt someone prove the changes in illegal defense and some zone hurt the scorers more than it helped



and if handchecking makes it easier to defend. then arent kobes defensive accomplishments that much more impressive? since he couldnt use his hands

pick one or the other
Nobody could use their hands dillweed. It's not like they disallowed handchecking for Kobe only because he was too good and he STILL got reputation votes for all-defense teams.

[SouBeachTalents]

i dunno what any of this means. all i know is more people think kobes better than duncan



you can disect their accomplishments all you want. kobe comes out ontop. duncan just has the 1 more fmvp and 1 more season mvp

kobe has like +50 more records, more overall achievements, more milestones, less overall help from teams/coaches with the same rings and more finals with the 4-2 heads up record in the playoffs


kobe having more 60 point games than duncan has 40 point games is just icing on the cake

http://lakernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/51549489.jpg
http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/teamsites/images/legacy/lakers/ts_110601shaqretires650.jpg
http://sportige.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Jackson-Shaq-Kobe-Stern.jpg

[kennethgriffin]

If anyone said that, they're on the bath salts.

Post the stats chump. Personally, I think Bean had more 50 and 60 point games in 2005-06 alone (first season rules were implemented) than he did from 1996-2005. But I could be wrong. :confusedshrug:




Kobe was drafted in 1996, handchecking wasn't completely outlawed until 2005-06. Bean was clearly making all D teams on the reputation he built during the 3-peat era and not because he was actually a great defender, especially post 2008.


kobe won titles and dropped huge scoring games regularly/made all defensive teams before and after any rule changes

save your rule change excuses for lebron comparisons

kobe dominated both eras


29/7/6 in 2001, nba title
30/6/5 in 2003 with 9 straight 40 point games
dropped nearly 50 points on jordan in 2 quarters...
56 through 3 quarters in 2003

kobe was more than capable of 81 point games before and after... without shaq he averaged nearly 40 in 2003... so for a while he was capable of doing that 2006 average

save it for lebald fans

:lol

[kennethgriffin]

http://lakernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/51549489.jpg
http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/teamsites/images/legacy/lakers/ts_110601shaqretires650.jpg
http://sportige.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Jackson-Shaq-Kobe-Stern.jpg

98 popovich/robinson 22/11/3 avrey/vinny/elliott/jackson/person
99 popovich/robinson 16/10/3 avrey/elliott/ellie/jackson/kerr/kersey/daniels
00 popovich/robinson 18/10/2 avery/ellie/porter/jackson/rose/daniels/elliott
01 popovich/robinson 15/9/2 anderson/daniels/elliott/rose/porter/avery/ferry
02 popovich/robinson 13/8/2 parker/smith/rose/daniels/bowen/porter/jackson
03 popovich/parker 15/5/3 robinson/ginobili/jackson/rose/bowen/smith/willis
04 popovich/parker 15/6/3 ginobili/hedo/rasho/rose/bowen/horry/mercer
05 popovich/parker 17/6/4 ginobili/glen/bruce/brent/rose/nazr/horry/beno
06 popovich/parker 19/6/3 ginobili/finley/bowen/nazr/brent/exel/horry/beno
07 popovich/parker 19/6/3 ginobili/finley/barry/white/bowen/horry/beno
08 popovich/parker 19/6/3 ginobili/finley/barry/bowen/oberto/bonner/vaughn
09 popovich/parker 22/7/3 ginobili/mason/gooden/finley/hill/bonner/bowen
10 popovich/parker 16/6/3 ginobili/hill/jefferson/blair/mason/mcdeyes/finley
11 popovich/parker 18/7/3 ginobili/hill/jefferson/neal/blair/mcdeyes/green
12 popovich/parker 18/8/3 ginobili/mills/neal/blair/splitter/jefferson/green
13 popovich/parker 20/8/3 Leonard/ginobili/green/splitter/neal/jackson/diaw
14 popovich/parker 17/6/2 Leonard/ginobili/marco/mills/diaw/green/splitter
15 popovich/parker 15/5/2 Leonard/ginobili/green/marco/diaw/splitter/mills

always

1. legendary coach
2. top 50 all time team mate
3. stacked roster


5 titles/6 finals




while kobe bryant


1997 - no legendary coach
1998 - no legendary coach
1999 - no legendary coach
2000 ( had all 3 )
2001 - no stacked roster
2002 - no stacked roster
2003 - no stacked roster
2004 ( had all 3 )
2005 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2006 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2008 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2009 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2010 - no top 50 all time sidekick
2011 - no top 50 all time sidekick
2012 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick
2013 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick
2014 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2015 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster

= 5 titles/7 finals

[ShawkFactory]

kobe won titles and dropped huge scoring games regularly/made all defensive teams before and after any rule changes

save your rule change excuses for lebron comparisons

kobe dominated both eras


29/7/6 in 2001, nba title
30/6/5 in 2003 with 9 straight 40 point games
dropped nearly 50 points on jordan in 2 quarters...
56 through 3 quarters in 2003

kobe was more than capable of 81 point games before and after... without shaq he averaged nearly 40 in 2003... so for a while he was capable of doing that 2006 average

save it for lebald fans

:lol
What is your obsession with 40/50 point games lol.

Scoring a bunch of points against shitty teams in the regular season doesn't make you a better basketball player than Larry Bird, the most skilled player of all time.

[K Xerxes]

i dunno what any of this means. all i know is more people think kobes better than duncan

I'm sure you know what it means. But if that's all you know, then Bird > Kobe.

In case you are unfamiliar with the medical terminology, malignancy is synonymous with cancer. Of which Kobe is a far bigger cancer to his team than Duncan has ever been. Thrown team mates under the bus, demanded a trade when things weren't going well for him in the best market in the NBA etc. Duncan has stabilised the Spurs for the past 18 years and bred this winning culture.


you can disect their accomplishments all you want. kobe comes out ontop. duncan just has the 1 more fmvp and 1 more season mvp

"Just" :roll:


kobe has like +50 more records, more overall achievements, more milestones, less overall help from teams/coaches with the same rings and more finals with the 4-2 heads up record in the playoffs

You can babble on about 'less help' but Kobe won 60% of his rings playing a clear second fiddle to the MDE at his peak. Duncan arguably won all of his rings as the leader of his team. Every single title he has anchored the defense and at times carried the offense.

Belittling the MVP and FMVP in favor of your ridiculous longevity scoring milestones... :roll: :roll: :roll:


kobe having more 60 point games than duncan has 40 point games is just icing on the cake

And yet Duncan is > Kobe.

[DonDadda59]

kobe won titles and dropped huge scoring games regularly/made all defensive teams before and after any rule changes

save your rule change excuses for lebron comparisons

kobe dominated both eras

LeBron played the vast majority of his career post rule changes and had his career scoring high at the same time Kobe did, and Bean was drafted a full decade earlier.




kobe was more than capable of 81 point games before and after... without shaq he averaged nearly 40 in 2003... so for a while he was capable of doing that 2006 average

OK, so what were his # of 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 point games from 1996-2005 (a whole career for most NBA players) vs the # in 2006 alone?

Why are you so butthurt over this? You were more than willing to post stats until now. :confusedshrug:

[kennethgriffin]

I'm sure you know what it means. But if that's all you know, then Bird > Kobe.

In case you are unfamiliar with the medical terminology, malignancy is synonymous with cancer. Of which Kobe is a far bigger cancer to his team than Duncan has ever been. Thrown team mates under the bus, demanded a trade when things weren't going well for him in the best market in the NBA etc. Duncan has stabilised the Spurs for the past 18 years and bred this winning culture.



"Just" :roll:



You can babble on about 'less help' but Kobe won 60% of his rings playing a clear second fiddle to the MDE at his peak. Duncan arguably won all of his rings as the leader of his team. Every single title he has anchored the defense and at times carried the offense.

Belittling the MVP and FMVP in favor of your ridiculous longevity scoring milestones... :roll: :roll: :roll:



And yet Duncan is > Kobe.


All I know for sure is the media doesnt hand out 40,50,60,70,80 point games...

Nobody can go out and win mvp.. a guy once averaged 50 and scored 100 in a season and didnt win mvp

In terms of what both kobe and duncan are in control of. Kobes done more

[Timmy D for MVP]

All I know for sure is the media doesnt hand out 40,50,60,70,80 point games...

Nobody can go out and win mvp.. a guy once averaged 50 and scored 100 in a season and didnt win mvp

In terms of what both kobe and duncan are in control of. Kobes done more

What stat or couple stats do you personally find the most useful when comparing players?

[kennethgriffin]

Dozens of players have mistakingly won mvp

No one has ever mistakingly outscored a western confrence champion by himself, nobody fluked 81. Nobody ever wrongfully because of some espn writers had more 60 point games than another player had 40 point games

[kennethgriffin]

What stat or couple stats do you personally find the most useful when comparing players?


I never use 1 thing. Ive always compared players in total ring counts for their status (wouldnt compare horrys cause his status isnt a top tier player )

Using the other intangibles as tie breakers...

[K Xerxes]

I never use 1 thing. Ive always compared players in total ring counts for their status (wouldnt compare horrys cause his status isnt a top tier player )

Using the other intangibles as tie breakers...

Yet all you ever harp on about is the number of 60 whatever point games in the regular season. For such a 'dominant' scorer, his post season career high is 31 points lower than his regular season career high.

Intangibles tho...

[K Xerxes]

All I know for sure is the media doesnt hand out 40,50,60,70,80 point games...

Nobody can go out and win mvp.. a guy once averaged 50 and scored 100 in a season and didnt win mvp

In terms of what both kobe and duncan are in control of. Kobes done more

Did Duncan not deserve his MVPs?

Voters don't only look at PPG you dumbass. There are other aspects to basketball. Do you believe Adrian Dantley should have been MVP?

[Timmy D for MVP]

I never use 1 thing. Ive always compared players in total ring counts for their status (wouldnt compare horrys cause his status isnt a top tier player )

Using the other intangibles as tie breakers...

Other intangibles such as....

[kennethgriffin]

Did Duncan not deserve his MVPs?

Voters don't only look at PPG you dumbass. There are other aspects to basketball. Do you believe Adrian Dantley should have been MVP?



are you kidding?

shaq was the more valuable individual player in 2002

kobe was the more valuable individual player in 2003

[SouBeachTalents]

are you kidding?

shaq was the more valuable individual player in 2002

kobe was the more valuable individual player in 2003

:biggums:

[Smoke117]

are you kidding?

shaq was the more valuable individual player in 2002

kobe was the more valuable individual player in 2003

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c2/04/47/c20447790fac4ad9999b16024a368617.jpg

I don't even know why people bother to give serious responses in any of your threads.

[toxicxr6]

are you kidding?

shaq was the more valuable individual player in 2002

kobe was the more valuable individual player in 2003


This is example of full retard



Kobe wasn't even the most valuable player on his own team let alone the league.. 2003 Duncan's peak was one of the all time great peaks.. Nothing kobe has done has even been close to Duncan's 2003.. Not even remotely close

Mvp voting duncan was fairly clearly first.. Garnett was a very clear second and nobody was even remotely close after that...


Your persistence shows one thing
You know duncan is better than Kobe.. Your fighting a battle you have already lost.. Your going out swinging in a fight you can't win.. And even you know at the end of the day you have lost and there is nothing you can do to change that

[Joyner82reload]

OP must have just finished basic math

If A>B; then 2A!=B

[ShawkFactory]

are you kidding?

shaq was the more valuable individual player in 2002

kobe was the more valuable individual player in 2003
I think we can go ahead and shut this bad boy down now.

[Deuce Bigalow]

LeBron played the vast majority of his career post rule changes and had his career scoring high at the same time Kobe did, and Bean was drafted a full decade earlier.




OK, so what were his # of 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 point games from 1996-2005 (a whole career for most NBA players) vs the # in 2006 alone?

Why are you so butthurt over this? You were more than willing to post stats until now. :confusedshrug:
From 2001-2004:

5 50 point games
29 40 point games
56 in 34 min
51 in 31 min

3 40 point games in the playoffs

His 5 50 point games would be good enough for 14th alltime, as many as great scorers like West and Gervin, and more than Bird, Malone, Tmac had in their entire careers.

50 point games (Regular Season)
Wilt Chamberlain -- 118
Michael Jordan -- 31
Kobe Bryant -- 24
Elgin Baylor -- 14
Rick Barry -- 13
Allen Iverson -- 11
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- 10
Lebron James -- 10
Bernard King -- 8
Dominique Wilkins -- 7
Adrian Dantley -- 6
Pete Maravich -- 6
Bob Pettit -- 6
George Gervin -- 5
Jerry West -- 5
Nate Archibald -- 4
Larry Bird -- 4
Karl Malone -- 4
Moses Malone -- 4
Tracy McGrady -- 4
Bob McAdoo -- 4
George Mikan -- 4
Carmelo Anthony -- 4
Kevin Durant -- 4

[Deuce Bigalow]

Forgot to include 05

From 01-05 Kobe had 39 40-point games
Durant has 43 so far for his career
Karl Malone had 44
Bird had 47
Shaq 49...

If we're talking 50-point games he had more than all those players above

[DonDadda59]

From 2001-2004:

5 50 point games
29 40 point games
56 in 34 min
51 in 31 min


Kobe 40-50 point games from 1996-2005: 37 *1 from '96-'00*

Kobe 40-50 point games in '05-'06: 23 *70 from '06-present*

Kobe 50+ point games from 1996-2005: 5 *0 from '96-'00*

Kobe 50+ point games in '05-'06 (First after rule changes): 9 *20 from '05-'present*

Kobe 60+ points games from 1996-2005: 0

Kobe 60 point games in '05-'06 Season (First after rule changes): 2 *5 from '05-present*

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe 40-50 point games from 1996-2005: 37 *1 from '96-'00*

Kobe 40-50 point games in '05-'06: 23 *70 from '06-present*

Kobe 50+ point games from 1996-2005: 5 *0 from '96-'00*

Kobe 50+ point games in '05-'06 (First after rule changes): 9 *20 from '05-'present*

Kobe 60+ points games from 1996-2005: 0

Kobe 60 point games in '05-'06 Season (First after rule changes): 2 *5 from '05-present*
Why 96-99 is relavant? 2 years off the bench and first year as a starter at age 20 in 99.

60 point games...like I mentioned already, 56 and 51 while resting the entire 4th quarter, you really think he would not have hit 60 had he played? 56 in 3 quarters nearly matches his 62 in 3 during the 06 season.

30.0 ppg season in 02-03 is his 3rd highest in his career and his 32.1 ppg in the 03 playoffs is his 2nd highest for his career. I'm curious to know what was Kobe's ppg during the 03 season without Shaq?

It's funny that you try to make it look like it was because of rule changes that Kobe beasted in 06. Other than 04-05 when has Kobe had a poor team and no other all star teammate during 05-06? It's not like he was in that situation in 01 or 02 or 03 or 04 we he was on good teams and had Shaq. 96-00 he was young and was on good teams with Shaq.

This still doesn't change the fact that if you look at his 40 and 50 point games from 01-05, just in those 5 seasons he ranks with the likes of other great scorers when you look at their entire careers worth of 40 and 50 point games

[SugarHill]

are you kidding?

shaq was the more valuable individual player in 2002

kobe was the more valuable individual player in 2003
:roll: :roll:

[DonDadda59]

Why 96-99 is relavant? 2 years off the bench and first year as a starter at age 20 in 99.

I included the '99-'00 Season. Bean was an all star from '97-'98 on. From '98-'00 he was a second option starter and all star ala Kyrie Irving who just recorded 2 50 point games this year.


It's funny that you try to make it look like it was because of rule changes that Kobe beasted in 06.

Yup, I made it look that way. It's a damn conspiracy. No one's safe.

[AirBourne92]

Kobe 40-50 point games from 1996-2005: 37 *1 from '96-'00*

Kobe 40-50 point games in '05-'06: 23 *70 from '06-present*

Kobe 50+ point games from 1996-2005: 5 *0 from '96-'00*

Kobe 50+ point games in '05-'06 (First after rule changes): 9 *20 from '05-'present*

Kobe 60+ points games from 1996-2005: 0

Kobe 60 point games in '05-'06 Season (First after rule changes): 2 *5 from '05-present*


kobe's highs coring games came in the roaming defensive era that brought sophistication.

it is automatically much more impressive than anything pre 2002

[AirBourne92]

This is example of full retard



Kobe wasn't even the most valuable player on his own team let alone the league.. 2003 Duncan's peak was one of the all time great peaks.. Nothing kobe has done has even been close to Duncan's 2003.. Not even remotely close

Mvp voting duncan was fairly clearly first.. Garnett was a very clear second and nobody was even remotely close after that...


Your persistence shows one thing
You know duncan is better than Kobe.. Your fighting a battle you have already lost.. Your going out swinging in a fight you can't win.. And even you know at the end of the day you have lost and there is nothing you can do to change that

duncan is the product of a system.

take him away from his coach, and teammates, and he is a fraud player.


kobe regularly yokes on him and makes him look like a queer that sits on the bench from winning some sort of raffle ticket contest.

gtfo with kobe not being on duncan's level. dont you ever utter such stupidity again.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I looked up Kobe's points without Shaq from 2001-2004. There's a chance I missed a game or two so you could check for yourself too.

Kobe without Shaq:

00-01: 34.3 ppg in 6 games (27.9 ppg in 62 games with Shaq)
01-02: 28.4 ppg in 15 games (24.5 ppg in 65 games with Shaq)
02-03: 32.3 ppg in 15 games (29.5 ppg in 67 games with Shaq)
03-04: 25.0 ppg in 2 games (23.9 ppg in 63 games with Shaq)

2001-2004: 30.7 ppg in 38 games (26.5 ppg in 257 games with Shaq)

[SouBeachTalents]

duncan is the product of a system.

take him away from his coach, and teammates, and he is a fraud player.


kobe regularly yokes on him and makes him look like a queer that sits on the bench from winning some sort of raffle ticket contest.

gtfo with kobe not being on duncan's level. dont you ever utter such stupidity again.

Kobe's never had a season as good as '03 Duncan. Won MVP, Finals MVP, made All-NBA First Team and All-Defensive First Team.

Led his team in points, rebounds, blocks and FG% in the regular season, was second in assists and third in steals.

Led his team in points, assists, rebounds, and blocks in the playoffs, outscored his second option by 10 ppg, and had a quadruple double in the closeout game of the Finals.

Oh, and he beat the Shaq/Kobe Lakers with his second option averaging 15 ppg on 40%. But no, Kobe was more valuable that year :roll:

[Round Mound]

Bird was better. You can make a case for Kobe as a scorer while on fire (yet Bird`s FG% was higher) but Bird was a better all around player: rebounding, creating offense for others: assists and team defense.

[Derka]

2 Larry Birds = 1 Dynasty

[T_L_P]

duncan is the product of a system.

take him away from his coach, and teammates, and he is a fraud player.


kobe regularly yokes on him and makes him look like a queer that sits on the bench from winning some sort of raffle ticket contest.

gtfo with kobe not being on duncan's level. dont you ever utter such stupidity again.

This is Kobe after losing to Duncan:


http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1032/1418770594_2370f2e356.jpg

And you're talking about looking like a queer?

[Lebron23]

This is Kobe after losing to Duncan:


http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1032/1418770594_2370f2e356.jpg

And you're talking about looking like a queer?

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[9erempiree]

Lets not forget, Larry Bird said it's a travesty that Kobe has one MVP. Bird said he would give up his MVP's.

[AkronAngel]

LeBron going to double Bird as well.

[kennethgriffin]

This is Kobe after losing to Duncan:


http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1032/1418770594_2370f2e356.jpg

And you're talking about looking like a queer?


only on ISH would a duncan fan make fun of kobe for losing to duncan

duncan lost to kobe 4 out of 6 times and 3 of the times he lost the spurs had home court advantage

:biggums:

[KG215]

Bird was better. You can make a case for Kobe as a scorer while on fire (yet Bird`s FG% was higher) but Bird was a better all around player: rebounding, creating offense for others: assists and team defense.
This is Griff we're talking about. He picks the one or two stats/criteria that Kobe has an advantage in when comparing him to another player, and completely ignores everything else.

This is one of Griff's most cherrypickingest, goalpost movingest threads I'v ever seen, Funny thing is, he's got semi-intelligent/knowledgeable posters, who aren't obvious trolls but very dedicated Kobe Kultists, coming to his aid and defending his dumbass arguments.

[AirBourne92]

Kobe's never had a season as good as '03 Duncan. Won MVP, Finals MVP, made All-NBA First Team and All-Defensive First Team.

Led his team in points, rebounds, blocks and FG% in the regular season, was second in assists and third in steals.

Led his team in points, assists, rebounds, and blocks in the playoffs, outscored his second option by 10 ppg, and had a quadruple double in the closeout game of the Finals.

Oh, and he beat the Shaq/Kobe Lakers with his second option averaging 15 ppg on 40%. But no, Kobe was more valuable that year :roll:


MVP is a subjective media award that changes like the weather.

one of the requirements is that you have to have a good team (team record)

gtfo out of here comparing individual players with a stupid award that is used to market players by the media.

duncan was in a system that was centered around him, kobe was not

take shaq out of the lakers and kobe goes on an assault and spanks duncan back into the swimming pool where he belongs.


southbeath-reject

you never played basketball a day in your life

you sit on your fat ass scratching your vujgina with one hand and grabbing popcorn out of the tub with the other

fakkit

[red1]

kenneth did watch the muse documentary? that shit must be hardcore porn for someone who likes kobe as much as you. not a bad documentary at all

[SouBeachTalents]

MVP is a subjective media award that changes like the weather.

one of the requirements is that you have to have a good team (team record)

gtfo out of here comparing individual players with a stupid award that is used to market players by the media.

duncan was in a system that was centered around him, kobe was not

take shaq out of the lakers and kobe goes on an assault and spanks duncan back into the swimming pool where he belongs.


southbeath-reject

you never played basketball a day in your life

you sit on your fat ass scratching your vujgina with one hand and grabbing popcorn out of the tub with the other

fakkit

You've got that all backwards. I've got my hand grabbing your moms ass while she sits on my dick with her vujgina

[redrich2000]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx6OeoT4vkw

[AirBourne92]

You've got that all backwards. I've got my hand grabbing your moms ass while she sits on my dick with her vujgina


the only dick you have is the one inside your mouth