Why James Harden is the Most VALUABLE Player

[Smook A.]

Stephen Curry will most likely win the MVP since he's the best player on the Warriors and they're currently the best team in the league, but if we're talking about total VALUE then I think Harden beats him that category. Remember in the offseason when pretty much everyone said Houston is going to be ****ed without Lin, Asik, and Parsons? Or how we'd be lucky to make the playoffs? I remember a time where a couple posters said this team needed to be fully healthy for us to be even lucky to win 50. Well guess what... Rockets are 50-23 right now with 9 games left. .5 games behind the 2nd seed, Memphis Grizzlies.

The leader of the Rockets is obviously James Harden. He's the heart and soul of the team. Without him, we'd be average at best. With the amount of success he's had leading the Rockets is extremely remarkable and downright amazing considering how many games the key guys on the team have missed. This picture should tell it all:

http://i.imgur.com/TNWts8G.jpg

If I told you that these guys would miss that many games before the season started, you'd most likely tell me the Rockets would be gunning for that 1st pick. Curry can have his MVP, but imo Harden is the real Most VALUABLE Player. Just what I feel.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

CP3 >both

[sammichoffate]

Stephen Curry will most likely win the MVP since he's the best player on the Warriors and they're currently the best team in the league, but if we're talking about total VALUE then I think Harden beats him that category. Remember in the offseason when pretty much everyone said Houston is going to be ****ed without Lin, Asik, and Parsons? Or how we'd be lucky to make the playoffs? I remember a time where a couple posters said this team needed to be fully healthy for us to be even lucky to win 50. Well guess what... Rockets are 50-23 right now with 9 games left. .5 games behind the 2nd seed, Memphis Grizzlies.

The leader of the Rockets is obviously James Harden. He's the heart and soul of the team. Without him, we'd be average at best. With the amount of success he's had leading the Rockets is extremely remarkable and downright amazing considering how many games the key guys on the team have missed. This picture should tell it all:

http://i.imgur.com/TNWts8G.jpg

If I told you that these guys would miss that many games before the season started, you'd most likely tell me the Rockets would be gunning for that 1st pick. Curry can have his MVP, but imo Harden is the real Most VALUABLE Player. Just what I feel.This sounds eerily familiar...like 2011 Rose familiar...

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

This sounds eerily familiar...like 2011 Rose familiar...
Yup Harden is the 11 Rose of this season............Dirk, Dwight and KD were stronger candidates maybe Wade too.
No true hoop head takes Harden seriously as a top 5 player this season, only the casuals do and the playoffs will show like it did with Rose

[BlakFrankWhite]

Harden vs Washington

24 pts...7-18 FG....9-10 FT

[ArbitraryWater]

Yup Harden is the 11 Rose of this season............Dirk, Dwight and KD were stronger candidates maybe Wade too.
No true hoop head takes Harden seriously as a top 5 player this season, only the casuals do and the playoffs will show like it did with Rose

something is off here.. agenda: DETECTED

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

something is off here.. agenda: DETECTED
i see u still postin 40 times a day............do ya yung nikka:applause: :applause:

[ShawkFactory]

Yup Harden is the 11 Rose of this season............Dirk, Dwight and KD were stronger candidates maybe Wade too.
No true hoop head takes Harden seriously as a top 5 player this season, only the casuals do and the playoffs will show like it did with Rose
:whatever:

[Smook A.]

Harden vs Washington

24 pts...7-18 FG....9-10 FT
Still got the win, and made the key block (yes a block) to save the game.

[ArbitraryWater]

i see u still postin 40 times a day............do ya yung nikka:applause: :applause:

good to know quality isn't the only thing I have you beat in

[ArbitraryWater]

good to know quality isn't the only thing I have you beat in

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[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

good to know quality isn't the only thing I have you beat in
ye u beat me at hours spent inside ur parents home at 16 per day:lol :lol

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

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Quotin u own post:roll: :roll: :roll: go outside euronikka:applause:

[Smook A.]

Yup Harden is the 11 Rose of this season............Dirk, Dwight and KD were stronger candidates maybe Wade too.
No true hoop head takes Harden seriously as a top 5 player this season, only the casuals do and the playoffs will show like it did with Rose
So you're saying there are FOUR canditates stronger than Harden this season? You didn't even include LeBron in that list. He was clearly one of the top candidates that year, like him or not. Also, I don't think Harden is the 2011 Rose of this season. I think Curry is, since he's most likely going to be the one who wins MVP. Harden might be this season's '11 Dwight or LeBron.

[greatest-ever]

Harden isn't the best player but he's pretty clearly Mvp. Curry's team is just so much better than what Harden worked with this season, and yet he's still a 2nd seed at the moment.

[SaltyMeatballs]

Harden makes a huge difference for the Rockets. Honestly without him we'd be out of the playoff race. Sadly, I don't see him winning the MVP since Curry led his team to 60 wins (and counting). Harden might be more valuable, but Curry will win the award.

[greatest-ever]

Yup Harden is the 11 Rose of this season............Dirk, Dwight and KD were stronger candidates maybe Wade too.
No true hoop head takes Harden seriously as a top 5 player this season, only the casuals do and the playoffs will show like it did with Rose
That's unfair. Based on regular season alone Harden is much better than Mvp rose was.

[aj1987]

Still got the win, and made the key block (yes a block) to save the game.
:lol

Seriously? The Rockets were up 6 with 20 seconds left and it was a contested (and blocked) 3pt shot. It was a good play from Harden, but it wasn't a game saving block.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lsyt2FkWgQ&spfreload=10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCDASdspAno&spfreload=10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad4TXGeFF4I

Those are game saving blocks.

[Jud]

At this point of the season I only see 3 MVP canditates: Stephen Curry, James Harden, LeBron James

Reasons why I left out these guys:
Russell Westbrook - His team is the 8th seed. When is the last time a player won the MVP with his team being the 7th or 8th seed? It's actually never happened. Ever.

Chris Paul - Hasn't had as much success as Curry, Harden, and LeBron. Besides, I can't remember the last time a guy won the MVP with his team as the 5th seed.

Anthony Davis - Pelicans are the 9th seed. No way he's winning it. Maybe in the future, but not this year.

[Smook A.]

:lol

Seriously? The Rockets were up 6 with 20 seconds left and it was a contested (and blocked) 3pt shot. It was a good play from Harden, but it wasn't a game saving block.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lsyt2FkWgQ&spfreload=10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCDASdspAno&spfreload=10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad4TXGeFF4I

Those are game saving blocks.
Alright maybe I exaggerated just a tiny bit, but it was still a key block :lol

[24-Inch_Chrome]

good to know quality isn't the only thing I have you beat in

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[aj1987]

Alright maybe I exaggerated just a tiny bit, but it was still a key block :lol
Not gonna disagree with you. It was a pretty good play.

[inclinerator]

he is the most valuable because he has 3 refs in his pocket



until the playoffs that is

[Smook A.]

Not gonna disagree with you. It was a pretty good play.
:cheers:

[Mr Exlax]

There is no player more valuable in the NBA to their respective team this season than James "Fear the motherfuhkin beard" Harden and it's not even close or debatable. Even Stevie Wonder can see this shit.

[Milbuck]

Dude is shooting 39% his last 20 games. He literally has not shot 50% ONCE in the past 20 games :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

That one time we got to see the Rockets minus Harden? His team full of "scrubs" went toe to toe with Atlanta pretty much the whole game while his fat dirty ass was suspended for kicking a dude in the balls.

And hold up....Houston is a top 10 defense. Is Harden doing that? Or are the Rockets 3 points better defensively with Harden OFF the floor?

[Smook A.]

he is the most valuable because he has 3 refs in his pocket



until the playoffs that is
We'll see. I want Harden to really focus more on getting a shot off, before looking for the contact. We saw what happened last season. Yeah, he still averaged 8 FTA a game in that Portland series, but he was also averaging 3.5 turnovers and more missed shots. Those problems came from failing to draw a foul.

[warriorfan]

Harden sucks at defense. Harden's 3 point, layup, flop game doesn't translate well to playoffs. His constant freezing out teammates and play stopages break the feel of the offense and don't help his teammates get into a groove.




Alpha Male Curry > No D Flopden

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Dude is shooting 39% his last 20 games. He literally has not shot 50% ONCE in the past 20 games :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

That one time we got to see the Rockets minus Harden? His team full of "scrubs" went toe to toe with Atlanta pretty much the whole game while his fat dirty ass was suspended for kicking a dude in the balls.

And hold up....Houston is a top 10 defense. Is Harden doing that? Or are the Rockets 3 points better defensively with Harden OFF the floor?
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[Smook A.]

Dude is shooting 39% his last 20 games. He literally has not shot 50% ONCE in the past 20 games :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

That one time we got to see the Rockets minus Harden? His team full of "scrubs" went toe to toe with Atlanta pretty much the whole game while his fat dirty ass was suspended for kicking a dude in the balls.

And hold up....Houston is a top 10 defense. Is Harden doing that? Or are the Rockets 3 points better defensively with Harden OFF the floor?
Alright, and? You think the past 20 games really affects his chances to win the MVP? Allen Iverson won the award shooting 42% for the entire season. If Harden was shooting that, people would be bitching saying "Why the **** is this guy an MVP canditate" or things like that.

Also, I'm talking about VALUE to the team. Take Harden off of the Rockets and where would they be? Probably up there competing for a top 5 pick in the upcoming draft. Yeah the guys around him aren't scrubs by any means, but you take Harden off and everything changes. Stupid turnovers, less points, etc. He's really our only real playmaker on the team. 2nd best might be Josh Smith or Prigioni.

[warriorfan]

Alright, and? You think the past 20 games really affects his chances to win the MVP? Allen Iverson won the award shooting 42% for the entire season. If Harden was shooting that, people would be bitching saying "Why the **** is this guy an MVP canditate" or things like that.

Also, I'm talking about VALUE to the team. Take Harden off of the Rockets and where would they be? Probably up there competing for a top 5 pick in the upcoming draft. Yeah the guys around him aren't scrubs by any means, but you take Harden off and everything changes. Stupid turnovers, less points, etc. He's really our only real playmaker on the team. 2nd best might be Josh Smith or Prigioni.



Different Era. Prime Iverson would not be shooting 42% FG if he played in 2015.



MVP doesn't go to shitty teams, goes to the best player on the best team aka Alpha Male Curry

[Milbuck]

Alright, and? You think the past 20 games really affects his chances to win the MVP? Allen Iverson won the award shooting 42% for the entire season. If Harden was shooting that, people would be bitching saying "Why the **** is this guy an MVP canditate" or things like that.
......Yes? :oldlol:

Since when does the final stretch of the season not matter in the MVP race? Especially in one as closely contested as this one with Curry, Harden, Lebron all serious contenders? And in a conference as brutal is this one where the seeding comes down to the final game? Even last year when Durant was destroying the league and looked like an unquestionable favorite, Lebron made it a conversation with his play to end the year.

It absolutely should matter that Harden's shooting like it's the playoffs.
Also, I'm talking about VALUE to the team. Take Harden off of the Rockets and where would they be? Probably up there competing for a top 5 pick in the upcoming draft. Yeah the guys around him aren't scrubs by any means, but you take Harden off and everything changes. Stupid turnovers, less points, etc. He's really our only real playmaker on the team. 2nd best might be Josh Smith or Prigioni.NO SHIT. Dude is a ball-dominant, hybrid playmaking and scoring guard with bad defense. He needs the ball in his hands to control everything and he needs a quality defense around him, or else his style of play is not optimized. No shit they're gonna surround him with shooters and defenders.

Harden's supporting cast is just fine and you Rockets "fans" need to stop shitting on it every chance you get. It's really not as bad as you think. It really isn't.

[Smook A.]

Different Era. Prime Iverson would not be shooting 42% FG if he played in 2015.



MVP doesn't go to shitty teams, goes to the best player on the best team aka Alpha Male Curry
Never denied that. Read the first line in the OP.

[Smook A.]

......Yes? :oldlol:

Since when does the final stretch of the season not matter in the MVP race? Especially in one as closely contested as this one with Curry, Harden, Lebron all serious contenders? Even last year when Durant was destroying the league Lebron made it a conversation with his play last year.

It absolutely should matter that Harden's shooting like it's the playoffs.NO SHIT. Dude is a ball-dominant, hybrid playmaking and scoring guard with bad defense. He needs the ball in his hands to control everything and he needs a quality defense around him, or else his style of play is not optimized. No shit they're gonna surround him with shooters and defenders.

Harden's supporting cast is just fine and you Rockets "fans" need to stop shitting on it every chance you get. It's really not as bad as you think. It really isn't.
Does it still take him out the MVP race though? He's still been putting up big numbers and they're resulting in wins. Again, look at the picture in the OP. Jones, probably our 3rd player when healthy has missed 40+ games. Howard, our 2nd best player, has missed close to 40. Beverley, the starting pg, has missed close to 20. So many injuries to key players on the Rockets and they've still won 50 games with 9 more left. You were one of those guys who said they wouldn't even make the playoffs. You said they'd be lucky :oldlol:

You still think Harden's defense is BAD? It's definitely improved. I'd say it's average, but it's for sure not at all bad. People are still living in that same old narrative. Also, where did I say his cast was shit. Stop twisting my words. I said the cast around him is actually good. Smh.

[RightToCensor]

How exactly does the postseason and field goal percentage correlate to winning a regular season MVP? Wins and value added to your team is what matters the most. Without Harden this team would be in the hunt for Karl Anthony-Towns and Jahlil Okafor.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Dude is shooting 39% his last 20 games. He literally has not shot 50% ONCE in the past 20 games :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

That one time we got to see the Rockets minus Harden? His team full of "scrubs" went toe to toe with Atlanta pretty much the whole game while his fat dirty ass was suspended for kicking a dude in the balls.

And hold up....Houston is a top 10 defense. Is Harden doing that? Or are the Rockets 3 points better defensively with Harden OFF the floor?


GOAT ISH poster

[Milbuck]

the cast around him is actually good. Smh.
End of discussion.

[navy]

Different Era. Prime Iverson would not be shooting 42% FG if he played in 2015.



MVP doesn't go to shitty teams, goes to the best player on the best team aka Alpha Male Curry
Are you sure? If you shoot with the volume he did, no way you'll shoot a high percentage.

[Smook A.]

End of discussion.
I never denied it. You're twisting my words like a bitch. I've said this probably a million times already that his cast really isn't shit but I keep having to repeat myself since your retarded ignorant ass can't put in words in your head :oldlol:

[Relinquish]

Harden vs Washington

24 pts...7-18 FG....9-10 FT

7-20 actually :oldlol:

[dontgetchoked]

Are you sure? If you shoot with the volume he did, no way you'll shoot a high percentage.
iverson would get freethrows out the ass. look at westbrook and harden. dude would live at the line

[navy]

iverson would get freethrows out the ass. look at westbrook and harden. dude would live at the line
Westbrook and Harden are still inefficient from the field.

42% and 44%

[warriorfan]

Westbrook and Harden are still inefficient from the field.

42% and 44%



In my opinion it's safe to say that Prime Allen Iverson's FG% would rise a few points if he got to play in the no hand check era.

[Dresta]

Dude is shooting 39% his last 20 games. He literally has not shot 50% ONCE in the past 20 games :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

That one time we got to see the Rockets minus Harden? His team full of "scrubs" went toe to toe with Atlanta pretty much the whole game while his fat dirty ass was suspended for kicking a dude in the balls.

And hold up....Houston is a top 10 defense. Is Harden doing that? Or are the Rockets 3 points better defensively with Harden OFF the floor?
This. Houston fans constantly undervaluing their players and coach to push this Harden4mvp nonsense. Not to mention the 4 tos a game and horrible shooting percentages. mvp my arse

[ScarSymmetry]

I agree.

[Budadiiii]

Would be a travesty if Curry doesn't win.

- mad OKC fan

[RightToCensor]

How exactly does the postseason and field goal percentage correlate to winning a regular season MVP? Wins and value added to your team is what matters the most. Without Harden this team would be in the hunt for Karl Anthony-Towns and Jahlil Okafor.
People have yet to explain to me how basic shooting percentages relate to the Most VALUABLE Player. Winning and value is what matters the most.

[Dresta]

Does it still take him out the MVP race though? He's still been putting up big numbers and they're resulting in wins. Again, look at the picture in the OP. Jones, probably our 3rd player when healthy has missed 40+ games. Howard, our 2nd best player, has missed close to 40. Beverley, the starting pg, has missed close to 20. So many injuries to key players on the Rockets and they've still won 50 games with 9 more left. You were one of those guys who said they wouldn't even make the playoffs. You said they'd be lucky :oldlol:

You still think Harden's defense is BAD? It's definitely improved. I'd say it's average, but it's for sure not at all bad. People are still living in that same old narrative. Also, where did I say his cast was shit. Stop twisting my words. I said the cast around him is actually good. Smh.
Yes it does. Curry is actually having an unprecedented season, and his team's success is completely predicated on it. You know what kind of impact making 3.5 3s a game on 43% has (while running a dominant offense, no less)? More than Harden. The fact Curry isn't playing that many minutes because he's blowing teams out the gym shouldn't be held against him, and in every other respect he's better than Harden. Better player, better team - i really don't see what grounds your argument has.

[Milbuck]

Yes it does. Curry is actually having an unprecedented season, and his team's success is completely predicated on it. You know what kind of impact making 3.5 3s a game on 43% has (while running a dominant offense, no less)? More than Harden. The fact Curry isn't playing that many minutes because he's blowing teams out the gym shouldn't be held against him, and in every other respect he's better than Harden. Better player, better team - i really don't see what grounds your argument has.
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[Achilleas]

he shoot 44%,and if they didn't give him so many calls his fg will have been 41% :facepalm ,he is lucky he got all this superstars calls,the defence can't play good defence against guys that always gifted fts ... :hammerhead:

curry for mvp :bowdown:

[warriorfan]

Have you guys changed your mind about Harden?