Swap Yao Ming with Dwight Howard: Rockets better or worst?

[ATL_Bball_King]

With both fully healthy which Rockets team would be better?

[ISHGoat]

Prime & healthy Yao shits all over prime dwight

[Kidbasketball20]

If he hadn't gotten injured, Yao was in position to be a top 2-3 C all time.


And Dwight is overrated AF.

[oarabbus]

Peak Yao was one of the only players to give Prime Shaq some trouble.

So what do you think.

[Clyde]

Yao is a far superior offensive player, but Dwight is way more athletic, mobile, and thus a better defender.

Houston doesn't lack scoring so as weird as it sounds I think they are a better team with Dwight.

[Fire Colangelo]

Healthy Yao? In his prime compared to current Howard?

Rockets would probably be better IMO. Yao gives the Rockets a a legit low post presence, you can run the offense through Yao when Harden isn't getting his calls. Yao is underrated defensively as well...

Prime Yao vs 2011 Howard is another question though.

[ATL_Bball_King]

Healthy Yao? In his prime compared to current Howard?

Rockets would probably be better IMO. Yao gives the Rockets a a legit low post presence, you can run the offense through Yao when Harden isn't getting his calls. Yao is underrated defensively as well...

Prime Yao vs 2011 Howard is another question though.

What if not full prime Yao Ming...But if he was still in the League today at 34 years old, fully healthy...

[SugarHill]

09-11 Howard on this Rockets team would be crazy. People forget how great this dude was. Hell, he was pretty monstrous last playoffs.


If he hadn't gotten injured, Yao was in position to be a top 2-3 C all time.


And Dwight is overrated AF.

lmao

[ATL_Bball_King]

If he hadn't gotten injured, Yao was in position to be a top 2-3 C all time.


And Dwight is overrated AF.


Interesting...Top 2-3?

Shaq
Hakeem
Wilt
Jabbar

Not in any order, but that would be tough to crack the top 5

[SugarHill]

Interesting...Top 2-3?

Shaq
Kareem
Wilt
Jabbar

Not in any order, but that would be tough to crack the top 5
Hakeem
Robinson
Moses

Too many centers that were just way better than Yao could ever hope to be.

[BasedTom]

Yao shits on Dwight

[BlakFrankWhite]

Interesting...Top 2-3?

Shaq
Kareem
Wilt
Jabbar

Not in any order, but that would be tough to crack the top 5

:biggums:

[livinglegend]

Yao is a far superior offensive player, but Dwight is way more athletic, mobile, and thus a better defender.

Houston doesn't lack scoring so as weird as it sounds I think they are a better team with Dwight.

Yao was an underrated defender. His low post defense was much better than Dwight. At that time, Yao didnt get the verticality benefit that guys like Hibbert gets now. Refs used to call fouls on him even if he was vertical. 7,6 Yao with the Hibbert verticality rule would be a better defender than Dwight.

Yao on these Rockets would be the best player on the team. Dwight is not right now.

[ATL_Bball_King]

Dwight Career Stats Reb:12.8 Ast:1.5 Block: 2.1 Pts: 18.2

Yao Ming Career- Reb 9.2 Ast: 1.6 Blcks:1.9 Pts:19.0

[dazzer87]

Comparing Yao to Howie....:roll: :roll: :roll:

[KungFuJoe]

I like Yao and don't like Dwight but I feel like Dwight is getting underrated here.

Prime Dwight was a monster on both ends. Especially defense.

Yao Mings offensive game was polished but he could be bodied and muscled and taken out of his comfort zone. He was also prone to stamina issues and his defense suffered from it. He was also never a good rebounder for his size.

Basically, the term "soft" was used for Yao quite a bit when he played. He was more finesse than power.

Again, I'm a Yao Ming fan but he just wasn't an impactful player. Dwight was and can still be on the right team. Remember Houston went on that crazy 20 something game winning streak when Yao was hurt.

Dwight > Yao

[rezznor]

Dwight Career Stats Reb:12.8 Ast:1.5 Block: 2.1 Pts: 18.2

Yao Ming Career- Reb 9.2 Ast: 1.6 Blcks:1.9 Pts:19.0
yao is underrated as a defender. one stat that doesn't show up is how many shots yao CHANGES due to his sheer size. not as flashy as blocks, but he defended the paint quite effectively.

[FKAri]

Yao is actually a better post defender. Dwight's defensive advantage is (was?) in his mobility. Dwight's much better hard showing and running back to his man and on switches in general.

Offensively: ofcourse Yao. Better isolation scorer, better catch and shoot player and most importantly a reliable free throw shooter.

[Genaro]

Prime D12 because of his defense but prime Yao is better than current Dwight.

[Milbuck]

Peak Orlando Dwight > any version of Yao.

But peak Yao in place of current Dwight...the Rockets are winning it all.

[inclinerator]

we got a glimpse of what yao's prime could have been, but was cut short due to injuries, an unstoppable sky hook , good midrange, great passer and you cant intentionally foul him

[Jameerthefear]

Yao was an underrated defender. His low post defense was much better than Dwight. At that time, Yao didnt get the verticality benefit that guys like Hibbert gets now. Refs used to call fouls on him even if he was vertical. 7,6 Yao with the Hibbert verticality rule would be a better defender than Dwight.

Yao on these Rockets would be the best player on the team. Dwight is not right now.
no he wouldn't. dwight is one of the best defenders to ever play basketball. yao was just so slow footed. it GREATLY hindered his defense.

[Jameerthefear]

Yao is actually a better post defender. Dwight's defensive advantage is (was?) in his mobility. Dwight's much better hard showing and running back to his man and on switches in general.

Offensively: ofcourse Yao. Better isolation scorer, better catch and shoot player and most importantly a reliable free throw shooter.
yao might have been better on post defense but no one posts up and dwight was phenomenal at post defense too.

[Jameerthefear]

I like Yao and don't like Dwight but I feel like Dwight is getting underrated here.

Prime Dwight was a monster on both ends. Especially defense.

Yao Mings offensive game was polished but he could be bodied and muscled and taken out of his comfort zone. He was also prone to stamina issues and his defense suffered from it. He was also never a good rebounder for his size.

Basically, the term "soft" was used for Yao quite a bit when he played. He was more finesse than power.

Again, I'm a Yao Ming fan but he just wasn't an impactful player. Dwight was and can still be on the right team. Remember Houston went on that crazy 20 something game winning streak when Yao was hurt.

Dwight > Yao
this. yao reminds me of vucevic in a way.

[JellyBean]

A healthy Yao makes the Rockets way better than they are with Dwight.

[oarabbus]

6'11" vs 7'6" with better post moves

[Jameerthefear]

6'11" vs 7'6" with better post moves
except yao didn't really impact the game.

[BigNBAfan]

worse

[KNOW1EDGE]

What kind of fuhcking question is that?

Of fuhcking course they would be better.

Not sure if OP is serious.

Add a healthy Yao and the Rockets are in the WCF instead of a first round exit

[BigNBAfan]

except yao didn't really impact the game.
:facepalm dude in 02 you were what 2-4 years old? stfu

[Jameerthefear]

What kind of fuhcking question is that?

Of fuhcking course they would be better.

Not sure if OP is serious.

Add a healthy Yao and the Rockets are in the WCF instead of a first round exit
'11 dwight makes them a legit contender too.

[Jameerthefear]

:facepalm dude in 02 you were what 2-4 years old? stfu
peak howard > peak yao

howard was the more impactful player.
offense: yao slightly
defense: dwight huge margin
rebounding: dwight by a huge margin

[KNOW1EDGE]

Only problem with Dwight is he has absolutely zero offensive game outside the paint.

Yao can shoot the rock. Fade-aways, 15-18 footers, back people down etc etc, he had an extremely well-polished offensive game.

Dwight can't make his free throws and he couldn't hit a 15 footer to save his life, this allows defenses to sag while Yao opens up the floor for his teammates.

[Jameerthefear]

Only problem with Dwight is he has absolutely zero offensive game outside the paint.

Yao can shoot the rock. Fade-aways, 15-18 footers, back people down etc etc, he had an extremely well-polished offensive game.

Dwight can't make his free throws and he couldn't hit a 15 footer to save his life, this allows defenses to sag while Yao opens up the floor for his teammates.
this is true, but you'd be surprised on how much this really doesn't matter. it's not a big deal at center. nik vucevic can do all the things you just described, but if you offered me rudy gobert for him i'd do it in an instant.

[BlazerRed]

People all up in here trying to act like Yao is an all time great :biggums:

[Jameerthefear]

People all up in here trying to act like Yao is an all time great :biggums:
he gets overrated a lot because he got hurt.

[RightToCensor]

I don't see why there's a discussion about Dwight vs. Yao.

Dwight wins 10/10. There's no argument.

Since 2002, the Top Three best centers in the league have been:

1. Shaq
(huge championship & scoring gap)


2. Dwight
(huge impact & accomplishment gap)







3. Yao

[Rodmantheman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFppQfs75Ro :roll:

[jayfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFppQfs75Ro :roll:

End of thread.






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[Cali Syndicate]

If he hadn't gotten injured, Yao was in position to be a top 2-3 C all time.


And Dwight is overrated AF.

I'd comfortably take Yao over Dwight but no way Yao is a top 5 all time....

[bobopenguin]

seriously, i dislike hustons fans, i think they are bunch of rednecks, and often overrated any of their players. but, yao vs dwight? lol c'mon, anyone with common sense will pick yao.

remember few years back there's only two legit center? shaq and yao. (Timothy is PF)

[Jameerthefear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFppQfs75Ro :roll:
perkins owned dwight for years too. but the better C is dwight

[BlazerRed]

he gets overrated a lot because he got hurt.
Pretty much.. the whole nostalgia thing. Also because he Asian.

[PistonsFan#21]

Pretty much.. the whole nostalgia thing. Also because he Asian.

Do you feel the same way about Brandon Roy? except for the asian part

[Jameerthefear]

Pretty much.. the whole nostalgia thing. Also because he Asian.
I mean I'm not a Ming hater or anything close to that, but one of the biggest criticisms of him is that he was too slow footed and soft. In today's league where defending the paint is SO important, that is a big detriment. C's like Kanter, Vucevic, and J-Val can make moves that a center like Gobert or Whiteside couldn't dream of. Hell, Vuc is a better jumpshooter than Yao ever was. But guess which centers make the most impact? Gobert and Whiteside. Because they are quick and can play defense. Yao was a very good one on one defender though just because he was so big, but that isn't that important. Peak Dwight is one of the best defensive players EVER, and arguably the best of this era. That just makes him much more important than Yao.

[bobopenguin]

I mean I'm not a Ming hater or anything close to that, but one of the biggest criticisms of him is that he was too slow footed and soft. In today's league where defending the paint is SO important, that is a big detriment. C's like Kanter, Vucevic, and J-Val can make moves that a center like Gobert or Whiteside couldn't dream of. Hell, Vuc is a better jumpshooter than Yao ever was. But guess which centers make the most impact? Gobert and Whiteside. Because they are quick and can play defense. Yao was a very good one on one defender though just because he was so big, but that isn't that important. Peak Dwight is one of the best defensive players EVER, and arguably the best of this era. That just makes him much more important than Yao.

well, if yao is playing today, none of above mentioned name matters tbh.

[Jameerthefear]

well, if yao is playing today, none of above mentioned name matters tbh.
what the **** are you talking about?

[Papaya Petee]

I remember when in 2008-2009 this was a legit topic on ISH all the time. You had RocketsFan or whatever one of his 100 alternate accounts constantly making threads shitting on Dwight and saying how dominant Yao was. His name is Horde-something now.

Along with.

Cp3 vs D-Will
Wade vs Kobe
KG vs Duncan


:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: good ole days.

[KNOW1EDGE]

People all up in here trying to act like Yao is an all time great :biggums:

Is he not?

When did Yao become a poor-man's Joel Przybilla?

Yao is most certainly one of the all time greatest centers in NBA history, so is Dwight....

[Cali Syndicate]

perkins owned dwight for years too. but the better C is dwight

No he didn't...Perk might have been able to contain Dwight here and there but ownage he did not. Even looking at the games where Perk held Dwight to single digit scoring, dwight was still grabbing 20 boards to Perks 5. Perk being the Dwight stopper was some BS media narrative, which Perk made his entire earnings off of.

[BlazerRed]

Do you feel the same way about Brandon Roy? except for the asian part
B Roy GOAT :bowdown: