Can LeBron James become a top 10 player of all-time?

[Fudge]

Title.

[navy]

Better chance than Kevin Durant.

[Im so nba'd out]

yeah i dont see why not

[Beastmode88]

Yes if he can win another 2-3 rings with fmvp

[Quickening]

Making a thread about whether someone can finish top ten all time in basketball when you can't even get a minimum wage job.:applause:

[iTare]

He's already top 10. Question is can he become top 3 ever? Probably not.

[Im Still Ballin]

He's around the 6th-8th mark right now

2 Rings
2 FMVPs
4 MVPs

One more ring and he's in the Duncan/Bird/Magic tier

He is at the top of the Shaq/Hakeem/Kobe tier

[24-Inch_Chrome]

He's top-10 already imo. He may be able to finish top-5 but he's got some work to do.

[Im Still Ballin]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Duncan
8. Lebron
9. Shaq
10. Hakeem
11. Kobe

Kobe and Hakeem are interchangeable

[Ca$H]

Title.

Only if he finishes above .500 in the NBA Finals. So no.

[Im Still Ballin]

Jordan 6 Rings 6 FMVPs 5 MVPs
Kareem 6 Rings 4 FMVPs 6 MVPs
Russell 11 Rings ? FMVPs 5 MVPs
Wilt 2 Rings 2 FMVPs 4 MVPs
Magic 5 Rings 3 FMVPs 3 MVPs
Bird 3 Rings 2 FMVPs 3 MVPs
Duncan 5 Rings 3 FMVPs 2 MVPs
Lebron 2 Rings 2 FMVPs 4 MVPs
Shaq 4 Rings 3 FMVPs 1 MVP
Hakeem 2 Rings 2 FMVPs
Kobe 5 Rings 2 FMVPs 1 MVP

[Dave3]

I think either another 2 rings or another fMVP puts him in there, probably thee 6-10 range. Though in terms of 'greatness' going by accolades, he should probably be ahead of Hakeem, but I can't really say either way cuz the only Hakeem I saw was the washed up one with the Raptors.

[Real14]

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[Beastmode88]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Duncan
8. Lebron
9. Shaq
10. Hakeem
11. Kobe

Kobe and Hakeem are interchangeable

So what puts lebron over shaq hakeem and kobe? :coleman:

[Im Still Ballin]

So what puts lebron over shaq hakeem and kobe? :coleman:
More MVPs

Has the same amount of FMVPs as Hakeem and Kobe

He is definitely above Hakeem and Kobe

Shaq may be a little above him but if Lebron wins this year he is comfortably above him and in the Duncan/Bird/Magic discussion

[Beastmode88]

More MVPs

Has the same amount of FMVPs as Hakeem and Kobe

He is definitely above Hakeem and Kobe

Shaq may be a little above him but if Lebron wins this year he is comfortably above him and in the Duncan/Bird/Magic discussion

so rings don't mean anything? :confusedshrug:

[Im Still Ballin]

so rings don't mean anything? :confusedshrug:
No but every guy on the team gets one

If I weighed arguments based off of rings Robert Horry would be in the top 20 all time along with the whole of Bill Russell's teams

[Real14]

More MVPs

Has the same amount of FMVPs as Hakeem and Kobe

He is definitely above Hakeem and Kobe

Shaq may be a little above him but if Lebron wins this year he is comfortably above him and in the Duncan/Bird/Magic discussion
So 2 undeserving rings/5 (which is about to be 2 undeserving rings/6) better than 2/2, and 5/7?:biggums: :confusedshrug: :coleman:

[Beastmode88]

No but every guy on the team gets one

If I weighed arguments based off of rings Robert Horry would be in the top 20 all time along with the whole of Bill Russell's teams

so doesn't that argument go against the whole mj was nothing without pippen? :rolleyes:

[Im Still Ballin]

What makes you think I make that argument?

Stop bunching me with Dubeta and the rest of the drones

[ralph_i_el]

He's at least borderline top-10 already

[Real14]

No but every guy on the team gets one

If I weighed arguments based off of rings Robert Horry would be in the top 20 all time along with the whole of Bill Russell's teams

What about Lebron's teams? They weren't stacked as phuck?:coleman:

[SouBeachTalents]

He's in the 7-11 range all time, any higher or lower is overrating/underrating him

[ralph_i_el]

So 2 undeserving rings/5 (which is about to be 2 undeserving rings/6) better than 2/2, and 5/7?:biggums: :confusedshrug: :coleman:

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You're a certified moron



What about Lebron's teams? They weren't stacked as phuck?:coleman:
All championship teams are (but you know that I'd hope)

[Im Still Ballin]

Stop trolling

Every player on that top 10 had quality teams. If anything Lebron along with Hakeem had some of the weakest supporting casts during their championships. Check the stats for the 2013 NBA finals for Wade and Bosh...

Lebron's teams look stacked yet as soon as he leaves they struggle to make the playoffs...

[Real14]

You're a certified moron

Im a moron but you have that bitch borderline top 10, and plus I made that thread before the season and before the tank. So stop acting like a bitch:coleman:

[ralph_i_el]

Im a moron but you have that bitch borderline top 10, and plus I made that thread before the season and before the tank. So stop acting like a bitch:coleman:

You'd have lost the bet either way. Anyone with half a brain knew they'd be bad. They were a 30-40 win team WITH Melo, Shump, and JR all season. Did you not notice how shitty they were before the trade and before they shut down MarshMelo?

LeBron is a bitch. He's also one of the greatest players to put sneakers on hardwood. Don't get it twisted.

[Relinquish]

What about Lebron's teams? They weren't stacked as phuck?:coleman:

What about pretty much every team to ever win a championship? Were they not stacked as phuck? :confusedshrug:

[Real14]

All championship teams are (but you know that I'd hope)

https://cezl.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/kobe-wtf.gif

http://s1.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/jaguars-fan-cant-believe-it-nfl-fan-gifs.gif

[Im Still Ballin]

And let's not forget...

How many teams have won without a dominating inside big? Or even just a traditional big?

[Real14]

You'd have lost the bet either way. Anyone with half a brain knew they'd be bad. They were a 30-40 win team WITH Melo, Shump, and JR all season. Did you not notice how shitty they were before the trade and before they shut down MarshMelo?

LeBron is a bitch. He's also one of the greatest players to put sneakers on hardwood. Don't get it twisted.

that was during tha season genius:coleman:

and Im glad you agree that bron is a bitch but he still don't need that great of a pass.:no:

[Real14]

And let's not forget...

How many teams have won without a dominating inside big? Or even just a traditional big?

m.j of course, plus how many teams had stacked teams like bron had with rigging on their side? and ray allen to save them?

[Im Still Ballin]

You are a terrible poster

Stop trolling

[Real14]

What about pretty much every team to ever win a championship? Were they not stacked as phuck? :confusedshrug:
you people are acting retarded now:facepalm Stop covering up for tha queen bro.

[Real14]

You are a terrible poster

Stop trolling

I know you're not talking about me:lol You wish you was nice like me:oldlol:

[JohnFreeman]

Already is top 10.

[knicksman]

if isiahs 2/3 isnt then I dont see bran cracking it

[Real14]

if isiahs 2/3 isnt then I dont see bran cracking it
preach brotha!:applause:

[nzahir]

Lol just stop it if you dont think hes already top 10 in all credible basketball analysts or people who actually can judge basketball without bias and UNDERSTAND STATISTICS.
Hes very close to being top 5; he will never surpass Mj though and maybe not even kareem. But he has a shot at top 3

[Real14]

.
Hes very close to being top 5

http://gifatron.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/RRnhhqW.gif

[bballnoob1192]

personally i have him bumping out hakeem for that 10th slot right now, but he still has time to climb the list from his 10th position while virtually everyone else on the list except duncan is pretty much permanent in their spot.

something like
jordan
kareem
russell
magic
wilt
bird
kobe
duncan
shaq
lebron

Is my top 10. I have kobe over duncan, but i don't really care either ways. Kobe and duncan should definitely be over shaq tho IMO.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I think he already is

[kennethgriffin]

More MVPs

Has the same amount of FMVPs as Hakeem and Kobe

He is definitely above Hakeem and Kobe

Shaq may be a little above him but if Lebron wins this year he is comfortably above him and in the Duncan/Bird/Magic discussion


Its about number of rings by mvps. Not number of mvps by ring winners


5 rings with 1 mvp (kobe) .....is better than 1 ring and 3 mvps (moses)



No person on planet earth has moses malone over kobe bryant.. or any other multiple champion mvp from the last 30 years

[bballnoob1192]

damn i just realize how weak the 2010+ era is gonna be. pretty much only lebron is challenging top 10 status with maybe durant if he returns to form, and AD if he reaches his maximum potential. I guess only kareem's era in the 70's is as "weak" as the 2010 for top 10 potential players.

[SouBeachTalents]

Its about number of rings by mvps. Not number of mvps by ring winners


5 rings with 1 mvp (kobe) .....is better than 1 ring and 3 mvps (moses)



No person on planet earth has moses malone over kobe bryant.. or any other multiple champion mvp from the last 30 years

So is Bob Cousy ahead of Kobe? 6 rings with 1 MVP

[Hey Yo]

Its about number of rings by mvps. Not number of mvps by ring winners


5 rings with 1 mvp (kobe) .....is better than 1 ring and 3 mvps (moses)



No person on planet earth has moses malone over kobe bryant.. or any other multiple champion mvp from the last 30 years
The only rings that matter with Kobe is his 2 as first option and in 2004 when he tried to be first option

Kobe 2/4 first option

James 2/4 first option. It was still Wade's team in 2011.

[knicksman]

The only rings that matter with Kobe is his 2 as first option and in 2004 when he tried to be first option

Kobe 2/4 first option

James 2/4 first option. It was still Wade's team in 2011.

:whatever:

Bosh+wade>>shaq. As always bran stans showing their lack of IQ:lol

[SouBeachTalents]

:whatever:

Bosh+wade>>shaq. As always bran stans showing their lack of IQ:lol

2000 vs 2012 Finals
Shaq: 38/17/2 on 61%
Wade/Bosh: 38/15/5 on 44%

2001 vs 2013 Finals
Shaq: 33/16/5 on 57%
Wade/Bosh: 32/13/7 on 47%

2002 vs 2014 Finals
Shaq: 36/12/4 on 60%
Wade/Bosh: 29/9/4 on 50%

[knicksman]

2000 vs 2012 Finals
Shaq: 38/17/2 on 61%
Wade/Bosh: 38/15/5 on 44%

2001 vs 2013 Finals
Shaq: 33/16/5 on 57%
Wade/Bosh: 32/13/7 on 47%

2002 vs 2014 Finals
Shaq: 36/12/4 on 60%
Wade/Bosh: 29/9/4 on 50%

:coleman:

bosh before bran 24ppg
wade before bran 26
shaq 29ppg<<50ppg

These bran stans are too easy. Bunch of low IQs

[Crimsonrain777]

Title.

i wouldnt count on it but who knows...

stranger things have happened:confusedshrug:

[Lebron23]

I put him above Kobe Bryant. Lebron is a top 7-8 player of all time. Kobe is borderline top 10 like Hakeem Olajuwon.

[Prime_Shaq]

2000 vs 2012 Finals
Shaq: 38/17/2 on 61%
Wade/Bosh: 38/15/5 on 44%

2001 vs 2013 Finals
Shaq: 33/16/5 on 57%
Wade/Bosh: 32/13/7 on 47%

2002 vs 2014 Finals
Shaq: 36/12/4 on 60%
Wade/Bosh: 29/9/4 on 50%
That's a real first option everyone :applause:

[Paul George 24]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Duncan
8. Lebron
9. Shaq
10. Hakeem
11. Kobe

Kobe and Hakeem are interchangeable
LEBRON IS BETTER THAN SHAQ & HAKEEM :facepalm

[Magic 32]

I put him above Kobe Bryant. Lebron is a top 7-8 player of all time. Kobe is borderline top 10 like Hakeem Olajuwon.

No no no, that was your prediction last year after Lebron would win his 3rd straight FMVP and get the 3-peat.

Consistency Lebron23, consistency!

[Lebron23]

No no no, that was your prediction last year after Lebron would win his 3rd straight FMVP and get the 3-peat.

Consistency Lebron23, consistency!


He'll win his 3rd NBA Finals MVP this year. I am only scared of the Spurs, but they aren't as good as their 2014 NBA Team last year. I pick them to beat the Hawks in the conference finals, and Golden State Warriors in the NBA Finals.

[Paul George 24]

I put him above Kobe Bryant. Lebron is a top 7-8 player of all time. Kobe is borderline top 10 like Hakeem Olajuwon.
NICE JOKE :roll:

[Paul George 24]

He'll win his 3rd NBA Finals MVP this year. I am only scared of the Spurs, but they aren't as good as their 2014 NBA Team last year. I pick them to beat the Hawks in the conference finals, and Golden State Warriors in the NBA Finals.
GS IS OVERRATED THEY WON'T BEAT HE SPURS :no:
AND TEHE SPURS WILL SWEEP THE CAVS AGAIN

[Paul George 24]

FMVP >>>>>>>>>>>>> MVP :banana:
SHAQ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LEBRON

[Lebron23]

GS IS OVERRATED THEY WON'T BEAT HE SPURS :no:


They are 1-1 in their regular season match up. Unless Tony Parker get his head out of Becky Hammon's @$$. Warriors in 6 or 7 games.

[SpecialQue]

Better chance than Kevin Durant.

:applause:

[SouBeachTalents]

:coleman:

bosh before bran 24ppg
wade before bran 26
shaq 29ppg<<50ppg

These bran stans are too easy. Bunch of low IQs

Monta Ellis 26 ppg
Corey Maggette 20 ppg

2000 Shaq 30 ppg << 46 ppg

[Lebron23]

Knicksman and Paul George 24 are the same posters.

[Paul George 24]

Knicksman and Paul George 24 are the same posters.

U & PAUK,DUTA ARE THE SAME PERSON :lol

[Lebron23]

Better chance than Kevin Durant.


http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

I really feel bad for Durant. And I really don't think Fudge was a Durant fan in the first place. He will always be a Bean fan.


U & PAUK,DUTA ARE THE SAME PERSON :lol

Maybe Jeff can check our IP Address.

[Paul George 24]

Monta Ellis 26 ppg
Corey Maggette 20 ppg

2000 Shaq 30 ppg << 46 ppg

30PPG,15 RPG ALONG WITH 3 BLKS & LEBRON WHO ..........:lol

[Paul George 24]

ALL TIME TOP 10 WILL NEVER CHOKE AND SWEEP IN THE FINALS LIKE LEFLOP DID :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

ALL TIME TOP 10 WILL NEVER CHOKE AND SWEEP IN THE FINALS LIKE LEFLOP DID :lol

Kareem, Magic, and Shaq say hi

[Paul George 24]

Kareem, Magic, and Shaq say hi

LEFLOP DID IT ALMOST TWICE
2007 & 2014 :lol
4:0 & 4:1 :roll:

ALL TIME TOP 10 WILL NEVER CHOKE LIKE LEFLOP IN 2011 TOO

[SouBeachTalents]

LEFLOP DID IT ALMOST TWICE
2007 & 2014 :lol
4:0 & 4:1 :roll:

So did Shaq, and Kareem/Magic technically got swept twice

[Paul George 24]

LEBRON IS GOAT ON HOW TO SHOOT AN AIR BALL FREE THROW THAT I NEVER SAW JORDAN DID ONCE,JORDAN CLOSED HIS EYES STILL SHOOT BETTER THAN LEAIRBALL :roll:

[Paul George 24]

So did Shaq, and Kareem/Magic technically got swept twice
4 PIONTS IN 4 QTR,OWEND :lol

[Lebron23]

Kareem, Magic, and Shaq say hi


You have been owning the troll. I think it's time to report all of his posts.

[Paul George 24]

JORDAN CLOSED HIS EYES STILL SHOOT BETTER FREE THROW THAN LEFLOP :hammerhead:

[Paul George 24]

You have been owning the troll. I think it's time to report all of his posts.

LEFLOP STANS IS MAD :lol

[Paul George 24]

LEFLOP IS DUNCAN'S BITCH :applause:

[ralph_i_el]

that was during tha season genius:coleman:

and Im glad you agree that bron is a bitch but he still don't need that great of a pass.:no:
Umm duh? I'm saying that I predicted they'd be bad....then they were bad....so they went into tank mode to avoid a 30-40 win season and a mediocre pick. Even if they kept the shit squad together and Melo played all year, there was no way in hell you were winning the bet.
If they had any chance of being better than the raptors, they wouldn't have even had to think of tanking.

Hold your L's like a man and log the **** off. I'm not the only person who you lost bets with. You're a joke and nothing you post means anything at this point.

[Fudge]

Well... can he?

[greatest-ever]

Huh?

He already is one and pretty clearly imo:

2 rings
2 fmvp
4 mvps
11 time all star

5 finals trips

Career averges of 27 7 7 50 fg%

4-5 seasons as the league's clear best player

Etc etc.

Clearly top 10. Id put him at 7-8 as it stands.

[greatest-ever]

:
personally i have him bumping out hakeem for that 10th slot right now, but he still has time to climb the list from his 10th position while virtually everyone else on the list except duncan is pretty much permanent in their spot.

something like
jordan
kareem
russell
magic
wilt
bird
kobe
duncan
shaq
lebron

Is my top 10. I have kobe over duncan, but i don't really care either ways. Kobe and duncan should definitely be over shaq tho IMO.
What case does kobe have over Duncan and Shaq? Both peaked clearly higher and have equal or better longevity.

I also don't see a case for kobe over lebron unless you are tacking his 97 & 98 seasons along with this season as longevity when they basically count for little to nothing.

[Fudge]

Well, here's the official list.

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Bird
5. Magic
6. Wilt
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem

Does he have a chance to knock any of these guys out? Is all i'm asking.

[greatest-ever]

:whatever:

Bosh+wade>>shaq. As always bran stans showing their lack of IQ:lol
A declining past prime wade and bosh together are not better than a peak/prime shaq. That is asinine.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Well, here's the official list.

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Bird
5. Magic
6. Wilt
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem

Does he have a chance to knock any of these guys out? Is all i'm asking.

I'm taking LeBron over Kobe for the 9-spot, but I agree with the rest of the names there. Might not have the exact same order but the proper players are there.

[greatest-ever]

Well, here's the official list.

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Bird
5. Magic
6. Wilt
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem

Does he have a chance to knock any of these guys out? Is all i'm asking.
There's no such thing as an official list. If by you mean the ish top 10, then i can't take lebron not being there serious.

Kobe has no argument over Lebron anymore. He has 4-5 seasons better than Kobe's peak and his superstar longevity is just as long.

[Fudge]

So you're telling me he has a chance?

[kennethgriffin]

So is Bob Cousy ahead of Kobe? 6 rings with 1 MVP

no. why do you think i said "last 30 years"

pre merger rings arent of full value. if bob won 6 rings and mvp after the merger. i might consider it


but theres a reason bill russells 11 rings dont have him run away goat.



itel always be # of rings by mvp winners that defines a player.

pre merger = half value

russells 11 are really around 5.5... which is why russell is regularly regarded as right behind jordan all time

him and kareem are tied.. kareem with 5 post and 1 pre merger title..

[SouBeachTalents]

no. why do you think i said "last 30 years"

pre merger rings arent of full value. if bob won 6 rings and mvp after the merger. i might consider it


but theres a reason bill russells 11 rings dont have him run away goat.



itel always be # of rings by mvp winners that defines a player.

pre merger = half value

russells 11 are really around 5.5... which is why russell is regularly regarded as right behind jordan all time

him and kareem are tied.. kareem with 5 post and 1 pre merger title..

So is Duncan with 5 titles and 2 MVP's > Kobe 5 titles and 1 MVP?

[greatest-ever]

So you're telling me he has a chance?
No what i'm saying is he's already clearly top 10.

[kennethgriffin]

# of rings by mvp's

#1 Jordan - 6 titles
#2 Russell - 5.5 titles ( 11 pre merger = half )
#2b Kareem - 5.5 titles ( 1 pre merger = half )
#4 Magic - 5 titles
#4b Kobe - 5 titles
#6 Duncan - 4.5 titles ( 1 lockout = half )
#7 Shaq - 4 titles
#8 Bird - 3 titles
#9 Hakeem - 2 titles
#10 Wilt - 1 title ( 2 pre merger = half )

#10b Lebron - 1 title ( 1 lockout, 1 bail out = half )

[LAZERUSS]

# of rings by mvp's

#1 Jordan - 6 titles
#2 Russell - 5.5 titles ( 11 pre merger = half )
#2b Kareem - 5.5 titles ( 1 pre merger = half )
#4 Magic - 5 titles
#4b Kobe - 5 titles
#6 Duncan - 4.5 titles ( 1 lockout = half )
#7 Shaq - 4 titles
#8 Bird - 3 titles
#9 Hakeem - 2 titles
#10 Wilt - 1 title ( 2 pre merger = half )

#10b Lebron - 1 title ( 1 lockout, 1 bail out = half )

:roll: :roll: :roll:

"Pre-merger" being "half."

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[kennethgriffin]

So is Duncan with 5 titles and 2 MVP's > Kobe 5 titles and 1 MVP?


nope. technically duncan has 4.5 titles... lockouts have the same asterisk implemented as a pre merger title

[kennethgriffin]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

"Pre-merger" being "half."

:roll: :roll: :roll:


ok so bill russell = run away goat then?

na .. exactly. stfu

[kennethgriffin]

theres a reason why for the last 17 years people have put russells 11 titles a fraction below jordans 6 titles all time


pre merger titles ARE worth half.

[SaltyMeatballs]

When its all said and over, he most definitely will.

[kennethgriffin]

lebron needs one more title to make the top 10 ... lockout season or not. he just needs 0.5

so most likely he will be some day. i see him winning one more


if however its a combination of lockout AND another finals saving shot by a team mate... thats a gutter ring.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

lebron needs one more title to make the top 10 ... lockout season or not. he just needs 0.5

so most likely he will be some day. i see him winning one more

LeBron > Kobe though. :confusedshrug:

[LAZERUSS]

ok so bill russell = run away goat then?

na .. exactly. stfu

Just so you know...

Russell's Celtics played in TEN game SEVEN's in his career, and while they went 10-0, they won SEVEN of them by FOUR points, or less (including OT games.) It was not as if the Celts were waltzing to titles every year.

[kennethgriffin]

LeBron > Kobe though. :confusedshrug:


just because a guy has potential and stats doesnt mean he gets a free pass for accomplishing way less


in the end you gotta win to rank up. all post merger players have been judged by ring counts...

you gotta go back to the 60's to find guys who got a free pass for not winning...and it was only because of the 60's celtics rigging the league for over a decade.

we put oscar, baylor and west right behind those guys who won multiple titles... because theyre rightfully next in line.



lebron isnt getting a free pass

[greatest-ever]

When its all said and over, he most definitely will.
When its all over? He can retire today and he'd be top 10. Name 10 players who have a legit argument. Kobe isn't one of them.

[kennethgriffin]

Just so you know...

Russell's Celtics played in TEN game SEVEN's in his career, and while they went 10-0, they won SEVEN of them by FOUR points, or less (including OT games.) It was not as if the Celts were waltzing to titles every year.


i know all of this. and it doesnt change the fact that 99% of the world has russells 11 rings a fraction below jordans 6

do the math... people give him half the credit because he played in HALF the era with TWICE the help

[24-Inch_Chrome]

just because a guy has potential and stats doesnt mean he gets a free pass for accomplishing way less


in the end you gotta win to rank up. all post merger players have been judged by ring counts...

you gotta go back to the 60's to find guys who got a free pass for not winning...and it was only because of the 60's celtics rigging the league for over a decade.

we put oscar, baylor and west right behind those guys who won multiple titles... because theyre rightfully next in line.



lebron isnt getting a free pass

TL;DR.

LeBron > Kobe though. :confusedshrug:

[knicksman]

TL;DR.

LeBron > Kobe though. :confusedshrug:

says the westbrook fan:whatever:

Statnerds who dont know shit beyond stats:lol

[24-Inch_Chrome]

says the westbrook fan:whatever:

Statnerds who dont know shit beyond stats:lol

I'm a Westbrook fan AND a statnerd? How do those two things go together again?

[LAZERUSS]

i know all of this. and it doesnt change the fact that 99% of the world has russells 11 rings a fraction below jordans 6

do the math... people give him half the credit because he played in HALF the era with TWICE the help

And even if that were somehow true, and it isn't... the overwhelmingly vast majority of the people in this world today, did not see Russell play.

[knicksman]

I'm a Westbrook fan AND a statnerd? How do those two things go together again?

ask robertson my friend

[iTare]

I'm a Westbrook fan AND a statnerd? How do those two things go together again?
:lebronamazed:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

ask robertson my friend

Can't write an actual reply? Westbrook is an inefficient volume shooter, he's the antithesis of a player a statnerd would love. Get the **** out of here troll.

[knicksman]

Can't write an actual reply? Westbrook is an inefficient volume shooter, he's the antithesis of a player a statnerd would love. Get the **** out of here troll.
Same reason why robertson is even ranked by some as top 10 is the same reason why iverson/westbrook are considered superstars. Because statnerds love triple doubles.

[sportjames23]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Duncan
8. Lebron
9. Shaq
10. Hakeem
11. Kobe

Kobe and Hakeem are interchangeable


LOL at Lebron over Shaq and Hakeem. Hell, even over Kobe.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Same reason why robertson is even ranked by some as top 10 is the same reason why iverson/westbrook are considered superstars. Because statnerds love triple doubles.

"Ranked by some"...nebulous much? I'd argue that media outlets would love triple doubles much more than statnerds as statnerds would be more focused on either efficiency or advanced stats. That said, Iverson was a superstar, and Westbrook is well on his way if he's not already there.

You're just a really shitty poster.

[greatest-ever]

LOL at Lebron over Shaq and Hakeem. Hell, even over Kobe.
Make an argument for Kobe over Lebron then. And a legitimate one that isn't based on foolish ring counting or things like "more clutch!" "more loyal!" "didn't team up with 2 superstars!!"...

[Prime_Shaq]

He's already top 10. At the end of his career he'll probably end up top 5 but I hope to see him break into the top 3.

[aj1987]

# of rings by mvp's

#1 Jordan - 6 titles
#2 Kareem - 6 titles
#3 Shaq - 4 titles
#4 Magic - 5 titles
#5 Russell - 11 titles
#6 Duncan - 5 titles
#7 Wilt - 2 titles
#8 LeBron - 2 titles
#9 Bird - 3 title
#10 Hakeem - 2 titles
#11 Kobe - 1 title (Carried, Refs, Bailout = fifth)

FTFY, kenneth.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

FTFY, kenneth.

:applause:

[AirFederer]

Yes. Pretty unique skill set, couple of rings, great production over already a lot of years.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Personally, I have Shaq above Duncan, and Hakeem above Kobe.

there is much more to all time ranking than pure ring counts.

LeBron is definitely in the 8-11 range depending on how you rank, and he's only 30. The real question is can he get into the top 5?

Realistically, one more ring and he should overtake Bird, and would be #6 or so on most people's lists.

[kennethgriffin]

Personally, I have Shaq above Duncan, and Hakeem above Kobe.

there is much more to all time ranking than pure ring counts.

LeBron is definitely in the 8-11 range depending on how you rank, and he's only 30. The real question is can he get into the top 5?

Realistically, one more ring and he should overtake Bird, and would be #6 or so on most people's lists.

you always were a rebel

:lol

going against 99% of the world isnt easy

[kennethgriffin]

And even if that were somehow true, and it isn't... the overwhelmingly vast majority of the people in this world today, did not see Russell play.


somehow true? what planet are you living on where russells 11 rings are majority wise treated as such

[J Shuttlesworth]

you always were a rebel

:lol

going against 99% of the world isnt easy
Same goes to you :cheers:

Didn't you have Kobe in the top 5?

[kennethgriffin]

Same goes to you :cheers:

Didn't you have Kobe in the top 5?


popovich, barkley, lebron, phil, magic, shaq, george karl, west, riley and many more have all said kobes top 5


and he hasnt even hit his retirement boost yet.

and i'm not saying hes definitely top 5. i think he is ... at worst tied with magic or a fraction below


i proved the other day bird and duncan are overrated all time.


the only guys with legit cases over kobe are jordan/kareem/russell


4 through 8 are just a popularity contest most of the time to see who goes first

Wilt
Magic
Kobe
Duncan
Bird


all these guys could switch spots top to bottom and it wouldnt look out of place depending on what someone values or who someone likes

kobe is arguably top 5 at worst

[knicksman]

"Ranked by some"...nebulous much? I'd argue that media outlets would love triple doubles much more than statnerds as statnerds would be more focused on either efficiency or advanced stats. That said, Iverson was a superstar, and Westbrook is well on his way if he's not already there.

You're just a really shitty poster.

LOL bro media==statnerds. Thats why bran is so hyped because of his triple doubles but weve seen the results. 2/5 with the most stacked team of all time. And LOL at iverson being a superstar. Replaced with just an all star in billups and they become much better while detroit lottery. Left philly and their team is almost the same.

[Lebron23]

LOL bro media==statnerds. Thats why bran is so hyped because of his triple doubles but weve seen the results. 2/5 with the most stacked team of all time. And LOL at iverson being a superstar. Replaced with just an all star in billups and they become much better while detroit lottery. Left philly and their team is almost the same.


You sounded like a parrot, and broken record. Just Shut the Hell Up!!!!

[J Shuttlesworth]

kobe is arguably top 5 at worst
1 MVP/2 FMVP/ Not the best stats

that all says otherwise.

[BlakFrankWhite]

if he wins 2 more rings,2 FMVP's...he's top 5 guarenteed

4 MVP's,4 rings,4 FMVP's,Scoring title,career PER of 26.0+..etc

[VengefulAngel]

if he wins 2 more rings,2 FMVP's...he's top 5 guarenteed

4 MVP's,4 rings,4 FMVP's,Scoring title,career PER of 26.0+..etc

Um thats a top 3 resume...

[pauk]

Nope, he cant, Hakeem has more mvps, rings, fmvps....








Troll gona Troll.

[Bigsmoke]

Why Hakeem ranked over LBJ?


LeBron James accomplished more

[RightToCensor]

Hakeem's career is more significant than LeBron's. His career totals as a center will be untouched.

What he did with those Rockets teams vs. Robinson, Barkley, Stockton, Malone, Ewing, Shaq, and Penny trumps what LeBron did to win with Miami.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

LOL bro media==statnerds. Thats why bran is so hyped because of his triple doubles but weve seen the results. 2/5 with the most stacked team of all time. And LOL at iverson being a superstar. Replaced with just an all star in billups and they become much better while detroit lottery. Left philly and their team is almost the same.

http://media0.giphy.com/media/uapkRCYaRl3Dq/giphy.gif

[Beastmode88]

Hakeem's career is more significant than LeBron's. His career totals as a center will be untouched.

What he did with those Rockets teams vs. Robinson, Barkley, Stockton, Malone, Ewing, Shaq, and Penny trumps what LeBron did to win with Miami.

Lol don't do him like that. The best player that lebron beat was a 38 year old tim duncan then the following year recorded the worst loss in nba finals history.

[ralph_i_el]

Lol don't do him like that. The best player that lebron beat was a 38 year old tim duncan then the following year recorded the worst loss in nba finals history.
Lol Kevin Durant was leading the league in scoring and Bron beat him....


This whole thread is just a reminder of how dumb Kenneth is. Kobe has piggybacked rings, fixed series, and stacked teams....yet Kenneth uses all those excuses for why LeBron isn't top 10.

Face it. Kobe is a great player. Not top 10. He had one of the luckiest careers ever in terms of coaching, teammates, media exposure, and health. If I need someone to win me one game, there's at least 15 guys I'm taking over Kobe.

[RightToCensor]

People sleep on Oscar as Top Ten All-Time

[pauk]

Hakeem's career is more significant than LeBron's. His career totals as a center will be untouched.

What he did with those Rockets teams vs. Robinson, Barkley, Stockton, Malone, Ewing, Shaq, and Penny trumps what LeBron did to win with Miami.

Lebrons career totals as a SF will be even more untouched once he is done.... that goes for everything, especially assists....

What Hakeem did during his 2 championship runs was not better than Lebron, even if it arguably was its microscopical and he still comes short in everything else.... like having 3 less MVPs, amongst many other things...

Stop it... stop... its one thing to hate on Lebron and another to disrespect the game of basketball itself due to your agenda...

[Paul George 24]

Lebrons career totals as a SF will be even more untouched once he is done.... that goes for everything, especially assists....

What Hakeem did during his 2 championship runs was not better than Lebron, even if it arguably was its microscopical and he still comes short in everything else.... like having 3 less MVPs, amongst many other things...

Stop it... stop... its one thing to hate on Lebron and another to disrespect the game of basketball itself due to your agenda...

DREAM IS MUCH MORE DOIMINAT THAN LEBRON EVER BEEN ON BOTH SIDE

[Real14]

Face it. Kobe is a great player. Not top 10. He had one of the luckiest careers ever in terms of coaching, teammates, media exposure, and health. If I need someone to win me one game, there's at least 15 guys I'm taking over Kobe.

http://i.minus.com/ix88KYmcyjAmZ.gif

[ImKobe]

Lol Kevin Durant was leading the league in scoring and Bron beat him....


This whole thread is just a reminder of how dumb Kenneth is. Kobe has piggybacked rings, fixed series, and stacked teams....yet Kenneth uses all those excuses for why LeBron isn't top 10.

Face it. Kobe is a great player. Not top 10. He had one of the luckiest careers ever in terms of coaching, teammates, media exposure, and health. If I need someone to win me one game, there's at least 15 guys I'm taking over Kobe.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/4371754/kobe-bryant-smirk-o.gif

[Paul George 24]

Lol Kevin Durant was leading the league in scoring and Bron beat him....


This whole thread is just a reminder of how dumb Kenneth is. Kobe has piggybacked rings, fixed series, and stacked teams....yet Kenneth uses all those excuses for why LeBron isn't top 10.

Face it. Kobe is a great player. Not top 10. He had one of the luckiest careers ever in terms of coaching, teammates, media exposure, and health. If I need someone to win me one game, there's at least 15 guys I'm taking over Kobe.

OKC IS THE WEAKEST WEST CON.CHAMP EVER

[AkronAngel]

Can he become? :biggums:

[Dr Hawk]

OKC IS THE WEAKEST WEST CON.CHAMP EVER

You remind me of this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6hDMp-CDpQ

[J Shuttlesworth]

OKC IS THE WEAKEST WEST CON.CHAMP EVER
THEY BEAT THE SPUR THO :banana:

[DaSeba5]

He already is. My question is can he be top 3-top 5 all time? He will have to win at least 1 title with Cleveland to be up there.

[fiddy]

Bron is not top 10 yet

[Fudge]

Bron is not top 10 yet
Correct.

He has the potential to be in the top 10, doe.

[ShawkFactory]

A title and FMVP this year cements him in the top 10.

[Fudge]

A title and FMVP this year cements him in the top 10.
Yup.

[J Shuttlesworth]

A title and FMVP this year cements him in the top 6.
fixed. There will not be an argument for Bird over LeBron if he wins this year, and most people have Bird as top 6

[ShawkFactory]

fixed. There will not be an argument for Bird over LeBron if he wins this year, and most people have Bird as top 6
Yes Bird will.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Yes Bird will.
And what would that be?

LeBron:
4 MVPs
3 Rings
3 FMVPs

Bird:
3 MVPs
3 rings
2 FMVPs

Obviously there's more to it than that, but LeBron will also have several years ahead of him to add to his legacy. Can't see how one would argue Bird over LeBron if LBJ were to win this year

[DaSeba5]

If LeBron wins 1 more title, I just can't put Bird in front of him. LeBron will probably have a longer career as well unless his body starts to break down.

[Paul George 24]

THEY BEAT THE SPUR THO :banana:

BECAUSE 8 VS 5 :pimp:

[Paul George 24]

He already is. My question is can he be top 3-top 5 all time? He will have to win at least 1 title with Cleveland to be up there.

HE WON'T

[DaSeba5]

HE WON'T

Well he's not in Miami anymore so I could care less tbh.

[RightToCensor]

You guys brought up Larry Bird and it had me thinking, Lebron has had a better career than Larry Legend. So either Larry is gonna fall out the Top 10 or Lebron is gonna shoot up.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Bill Russell
5. Tim Duncan
6. Magic Johnson
7. Oscar Robinson
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Shaquille O'Neal
10. Hakeem Olajuwon/Lebron James (depends on how career ends)
12. Larry Bird

My ranking don't count personal meaning to the game, rather the what they contributed on the floor for their career.

[Real14]

Realistically in order for him to be in my top 10 he has to win at least 2 more rings with a team that's not stacked with only one other all star (and 2 more fmvp at least) I will give him much respect if he does that.

[atljonesbro]

LeBron is already about 7th or 8th all time

[Budadiiii]

Realistically in order for him to be in my top 10 he has to win at least 2 more rings with a team that's not stacked with only one other all star (and 2 more fmvp at least) I will give him much respect if he does that.
Which will never happen. He's gonna have a stacked team for at least the next 5 years just like he has the previous 5 years.

If he doesn't win this year then he can never even be top 20.

[HurricaneKid]

So what puts lebron over shaq hakeem and kobe? :coleman:

He has more MVPs than the 3 of them combined.

[kennethgriffin]

theres always gonna be different rankings

all anyone can agree on is tiers

1st tier ( all 3 have a legit argument for #1 )

- Michael Jordan
- Kareem Abdul Jabbar
- Bill Russell


2nd tier ( all 4 have a legit argument for #4 )

- Wilt Chamberlain
- Magic Johnson
- Kobe Bryant
- Tim Duncan


3rd tier ( all 3 have a legit argument for #8 )

- Larry Bird
- Shaquille Oneal
- Hakeem Olajuwon

4th tier ( all 5 have a legit argument for #11 )

- Lebron James
- Oscar Robertson
- Jerry West
- Moses Malone
- Julius Erving



this isnt my rankings.. its just based on what i see most often. everyone arguing over things for no reason

[L.A.Showtime]

I don't see it happening.

[kennethgriffin]

He has more MVPs than the 3 of them combined.

moses malone has the same mvps as kobe/shaq/hakeem combined

moses = kobe+shaq+hakeem?

steve nash > oscar, kobe, shaq, hakeem?

babe ruth has 1 mvp...

barry bonds = 7 babe ruths?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Kenneth, Kobe has no legitimate argument for #4. If he is a top-10 player (which I don't think he is) he's slotting in somewhere between 8 and 10. Even if your tier-2 was entirely accurate, Duncan > Kobe, so best he could ever do was 5th.

[ShawkFactory]

Which will never happen. He's gonna have a stacked team for at least the next 5 years just like he has the previous 5 years.

If he doesn't win this year then he can never even be top 20.
:sleeping

[Lebron23]

fixed. There will not be an argument for Bird over LeBron if he wins this year, and most people have Bird as top 6


Bird ain't top 6. Only 3 MVP, and 2 Finals MVP. Neither is Kobe.


LeBron is already about 7th or 8th all time


This

[ralph_i_el]

theres always gonna be different rankings

all anyone can agree on is tiers

1st tier ( all 3 have a legit argument for #1 )

- Michael Jordan
- Kareem Abdul Jabbar
- Bill Russell


2nd tier ( all 4 have a legit argument for #4 )

- Wilt Chamberlain
- Magic Johnson
- Kobe Bryant
- Tim Duncan


3rd tier ( all 3 have a legit argument for #8 )

- Larry Bird
- Shaquille Oneal
- Hakeem Olajuwon

4th tier ( all 5 have a legit argument for #11 )

- Lebron James
- Oscar Robertson
- Jerry West
- Moses Malone
- Julius Erving



this isnt my rankings.. its just based on what i see most often. everyone arguing over things for no reason

You pretend that everyone thinks Kobe is top-10 (or even top 5:wtf: ) but that's just not the case

[kennethgriffin]

Kenneth, Kobe has no legitimate argument for #4. If he is a top-10 player (which I don't think he is) he's slotting in somewhere between 8 and 10. Even if your tier-2 was entirely accurate, Duncan > Kobe, so best he could ever do was 5th.


i beg to differ. kobes career is top 4 material


- all time guard scoring leader
- all time all nba teams leader
- all time 1st team all nba leader
- all time 1st team all defense leader
- all time consecutive all-star game leader
- all time beatin 50+ win playoff team leader
- all time game winning shots leader
- all time oympic win% leader
- all time guard 30+ points leader
- all time guard 60+ points leader
- all time guard 70+ points leader
- all time guard 80+ points leader
- all time single game three's leader
- all time allstar game mvp leader
- all time allstar game scoring leader
- 3rd most points scored all time
- 2nd most points scored in a game
- only player to outscore a team by himself through 3 quarters
- only player with 2 championships without a legendary sidekick ( top 50 all time )
- TNT nba player of the decade
- Sports Illustrated Top 20 Male Athlete of the Decade (2000s) #7 (the only NBA player in the top 10)
- Ranked #1 in Dime Magazine's 2012 list of the top 10 greatest players since the year 2000 (published in the September 2012 issue)
- Sporting News NBA Athlete of the Decade (2000s)



+

7 NBA finals
5 NBA titles
2 NBA finals MVP's
1 NBA season MVP

21/5/5 = 2000 NBA playoffs
29/7/6 = 2001 NBA playoffs
27/6/5 = 2002 NBA playoffs
30/5/5 = 2009 NBA playoffs
30/6/5 = 2010 NBA playoffs





pat riley - "you gotta put him right there with jordan"

george karl - "kobe is top 3 all time"

jerry west - "kobe is a once in a lifetime player"

magic johnson - "kobe is the greatest laker of all time"

phil jackson - "kobe has better basketball skills than michael jordan, its a coin flip"

larry bird - "kobe is the one player i'd want on my team from this era"

greg popovich - "kobe is the best player on both ends of the floor" ( said during 2005-06 season ... duncans prime )




i could go on and on.. he definitely has a case for top 4-5

[kennethgriffin]

You pretend that everyone thinks Kobe is top-10 (or even top 5:wtf: ) but that's just not the case


he is. and if you look above this post. you'l see why you guzzle semen for breakfast

[24-Inch_Chrome]

i beg to differ. kobes career is top 4 material


- all time guard scoring leader
- all time all nba teams leader
- all time 1st team all nba leader
- all time 1st team all defense leader
- all time consecutive all-star game leader
- all time beatin 50+ win playoff team leader
- all time game winning shots leader
- all time oympic win% leader
- all time guard 30+ points leader
- all time guard 60+ points leader
- all time guard 70+ points leader
- all time guard 80+ points leader
- all time single game three's leader
- all time allstar game mvp leader
- all time allstar game scoring leader
- 3rd most points scored all time
- 2nd most points scored in a game
- only player to outscore a team by himself through 3 quarters
- only player with 2 championships without a legendary sidekick ( top 50 all time )
- TNT nba player of the decade
- Sports Illustrated Top 20 Male Athlete of the Decade (2000s) #7 (the only NBA player in the top 10)
- Ranked #1 in Dime Magazine's 2012 list of the top 10 greatest players since the year 2000 (published in the September 2012 issue)
- Sporting News NBA Athlete of the Decade (2000s)



+

7 NBA finals
5 NBA titles
2 NBA finals MVP's
1 NBA season MVP

21/5/5 = 2000 NBA playoffs
29/7/6 = 2001 NBA playoffs
27/6/5 = 2002 NBA playoffs
30/5/5 = 2009 NBA playoffs
30/6/5 = 2010 NBA playoffs





pat riley - "you gotta put him right there with jordan"

george karl - "kobe is top 3 all time"

jerry west - "kobe is a once in a lifetime player"

magic johnson - "kobe is the greatest laker of all time"

phil jackson - "kobe has better basketball skills than michael jordan, its a coin flip"

larry bird - "kobe is the one player i'd want on my team from this era"

greg popovich - "kobe is the best player on both ends of the floor" ( said during 2005-06 season ... duncans prime )




i could go on and on.. he definitely has a case for top 4-5

TL;DR.

Jordan, KAJ, Russell, Duncan, Magic, Wilt, Shaq, LeBron, Hakeem, Bird > Kobe. :confusedshrug:

[ralph_i_el]

he is. and if you look above this post. you'l see why you guzzle semen for breakfast
:facepalm you're a ****** and a one trick troll. Go fuxk yourself

[kennethgriffin]

TL;DR.

Jordan, KAJ, Russell, Duncan, Magic, Wilt, Shaq, LeBron, Hakeem, Bird > Kobe. :confusedshrug:

simply dismiss logic and reason because it makes too much sense

i get it.

youre in denial

if you actually took 2 minutes to read kobes accomplishments.. you'd realize how much of a prolapsed an*l region rape victim you are

:lol

[kennethgriffin]

:facepalm you're a ****** and a one trick troll. Go fuxk yourself

how is listing facts trolling?

if kobes career makes people mad. thats not me trolling you. thats kobe trolling youre fa**ot a**

:lol

[ShawkFactory]

i beg to differ. kobes career is top 4 material


- all time guard scoring leader
- all time all nba teams leader
- all time 1st team all nba leader
- all time 1st team all defense leader
- all time consecutive all-star game leader
- all time beatin 50+ win playoff team leader
- all time game winning shots leader
- all time oympic win% leader
- all time guard 30+ points leader
- all time guard 60+ points leader
- all time guard 70+ points leader
- all time guard 80+ points leader
- all time single game three's leader
- all time allstar game mvp leader
- all time allstar game scoring leader
- 3rd most points scored all time
- 2nd most points scored in a game
- only player to outscore a team by himself through 3 quarters
- only player with 2 championships without a legendary sidekick ( top 50 all time )
- TNT nba player of the decade
- Sports Illustrated Top 20 Male Athlete of the Decade (2000s) #7 (the only NBA player in the top 10)
- Ranked #1 in Dime Magazine's 2012 list of the top 10 greatest players since the year 2000 (published in the September 2012 issue)
- Sporting News NBA Athlete of the Decade (2000s)



+

7 NBA finals
5 NBA titles
2 NBA finals MVP's
1 NBA season MVP

21/5/5 = 2000 NBA playoffs
29/7/6 = 2001 NBA playoffs
27/6/5 = 2002 NBA playoffs
30/5/5 = 2009 NBA playoffs
30/6/5 = 2010 NBA playoffs





pat riley - "you gotta put him right there with jordan"

george karl - "kobe is top 3 all time"

jerry west - "kobe is a once in a lifetime player"

magic johnson - "kobe is the greatest laker of all time"

phil jackson - "kobe has better basketball skills than michael jordan, its a coin flip"

larry bird - "kobe is the one player i'd want on my team from this era"

greg popovich - "kobe is the best player on both ends of the floor" ( said during 2005-06 season ... duncans prime )




i could go on and on.. he definitely has a case for top 4-5
:lol at the bold.

05-06 was Kobe's peak. Duncan's was 02-03.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

simply dismiss logic and reason because it makes too much sense

i get it.

youre in denial

if you actually took 2 minutes to read kobes accomplishments.. you'd realize how much of a prolapsed an*l region rape victim you are

:lol

Your posts are devoid of logic and reason though. :confusedshrug:

Jordan, KAJ, Russell, Duncan, Magic, Wilt, Shaq, LeBron, Hakeem, Bird > Kobe.

[Hey Yo]

21/5/5 = 2000 NBA playoffs
29/7/6 = 2001 NBA playoffs
27/6/5 = 2002 NBA playoffs
30/5/5 = 2009 NBA playoffs
30/6/5 = 2010 NBA playoffs
_______________

What about Kobe's Finals numbers compared to the others?

[kennethgriffin]

:lol at the bold.

05-06 was Kobe's peak. Duncan's was 02-03.


whats funny about


- all time guard 70+ points leader ... thats more than MJ da goat?
- all time guard 80+ points leader ... thats more than MJ da goat?
- all time single game three's leader ... thats impressive
- all time allstar game mvp leader ... thats impressive. people gun for it
- all time allstar game scoring leader... thats impressive. its longevity. and kobes missed like 4 ASG's and sat a 5th out after the first minute... and is still in the lead somehow

[ShawkFactory]

whats funny about


- all time guard 70+ points leader ... thats more than MJ da goat?
- all time guard 80+ points leader ... thats more than MJ da goat?
- all time single game three's leader ... thats impressive
- all time allstar game mvp leader ... thats impressive. people gun for it
- all time allstar game scoring leader... thats impressive. its longevity. and kobes missed like 4 ASG's and sat a 5th out after the first minute... and is still in the lead somehow
The first three because they're literally one game samples over a 19 year career. Because he scored 12 more points statpadding against a shitty team isn't something to list on his resume when comparing him to the GOAT.

The last two because its the allstar game...

[ralph_i_el]

how is listing facts trolling?

if kobes career makes people mad. thats not me trolling you. thats kobe trolling youre fa**ot a**

:lol
Because you cherry pick stats and completely ignore any context that gets in the way of your delusions.

[L.A.Showtime]

LeBron needs to prove himself in a tough conference with a less stacked team. Or at least one of those options.

[kennethgriffin]

21/5/5 = 2000 NBA playoffs
29/7/6 = 2001 NBA playoffs
27/6/5 = 2002 NBA playoffs
30/5/5 = 2009 NBA playoffs
30/6/5 = 2010 NBA playoffs
_______________

What about Kobe's Finals numbers compared to the others?


people harp on kobes finals numbers in 2000... yet without the game he sprained his ankle in the first few minutes. he averages 19ppg for the series

and other than that bs..


2000 - 19/5/5 finals average ( minus the injured ankle 2 point game )
2001 - 25/8/6 finals average
2002 - 27/6/5 finals average
2009 - 32/6/7 finals average
2010 - 29/8/4 finals average


thats an overall finals average of 26ppg/7rpg/5apg

[kennethgriffin]

Because you cherry pick stats and completely ignore any context that gets in the way of your delusions.
ofcourse its cherry picking you ****ing moron

wtf do you think anyones career HIGHLIGHTS are?

when someone lists jordans career... its his "CHERRY PICKED" achievements too


f*cking dumb mother f*cker

:roll:

[ShawkFactory]

ofcourse its cherry picking you ****ing moron

wtf do you think anyones career HIGHLIGHTS are?

when someone lists jordans career... its his "CHERRY PICKED" achievements too


f*cking dumb mother f*cker

:roll:
I don't think you know how to apply that term.

[kennethgriffin]

The first three because they're literally one game samples over a 19 year career. Because he scored 12 more points statpadding against a shitty team isn't something to list on his resume when comparing him to the GOAT.

The last two because its the allstar game...

lol... so wilts 100 point game doesnt really prove anything right?

what does that mean... it was only 1 game..:roll:




i'm sorry but whos the more impressive guy


- a guy who goes out and averages 20 for a career and his career high is 21

or

- a guy who goes out and averages 20 for a career and his career high is 121


lol@ 1 game not meaning anything


sometimes all it takes is 1 game to truly show how dominant a guy is capable of being

[SwayDizzle]

LeBRONZINA is GOAT #10 right now. If he wins another he will jump to #8. Kobe is GOAT #6. If Kobe comes back with another all-star like season, he will crack the Top 5.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I don't think you know how to apply that term.

Kenneth is one of the dumbest posters here, it's not surprising.

[kennethgriffin]

I don't think you know how to apply that term.


i think i do


cher

[kennethgriffin]

Kenneth is one of the dumbest posters here, it's not surprising.


i supposed when listing a players career "HIGHLIGHTS" you'd want me to list every bad game he ever had so it wouldnt be cherry picking

right?


:oldlol:

[G0ATbe]

:roll: :roll: :roll: No.

[ShawkFactory]

lol... so wilts 100 point game doesnt really prove anything right?

what does that mean... it was only 1 game..:roll:




i'm sorry but whos the more impressive guy


- a guy who goes out and averages 20 for a career and his career high is 21

or

- a guy who goes out and averages 20 for a career and his career high is 121


lol@ 1 game not meaning anything


sometimes all it takes is 1 game to truly show how dominant a guy is capable of being
No, not really. The only reason it's brought up is because its the record. Wilt is one of the GOATs because he AVERAGED absurd numbers, both scoring and rebounding. Not because he took a shitload of shots and scored 100 one time.

[kennethgriffin]

ISH logic = "you can't cherry pick highlights"



LOL now i've officially seen everything

[24-Inch_Chrome]

:roll: :roll: :roll: No.

I guess that means you think he and Kobe have something in common?

[ShawkFactory]

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]i think i do


cher

[Lebron23]

Stop replying to him. He's like a 35 yrs.old version of Simon.

[kennethgriffin]

No, not really. The only reason it's brought up is because its the record. Wilt is one of the GOATs because he AVERAGED absurd numbers, both scoring and rebounding. Not because he took a shitload of shots and scored 100 one time.


wait... so a record is the only thing worth mentioning?

:roll:

well throw away jordans 5 mvps then

throw away jordans totals in points/rebounds/assists/steals/blocks

throw away jordans rings

throw away jordans career high of 69



oops...


kareem and wilt hold the most records... theyre the official new goats

:lol :roll: :roll:

[G0ATbe]

I guess that means you think he and Kobe have something in common?
Yeah:rolleyes: . My name's GOATbe but I don't believe Kobe's top 10:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[kennethgriffin]

Stop replying to him. He's like a 35 yrs.old version of Simon.


30* and you know this.. which is why you add to my age. because i'm the same age as your boyfriend LeRing chase

and you're still a midget

:roll:

[ShawkFactory]

wait... so a record is the only thing worth mentioning?

:roll:

well throw away jordans 5 mvps then

throw away jordans totals in points/rebounds/assists/steals/blocks

throw away jordans rings

throw away jordans career high of 69



oops...


kareem and wilt hold the most records... theyre the official new goats

:lol :roll: :roll:
Wow. You're incapable of basic levels of understanding :lol

We're done here.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Yeah:rolleyes: . My name's GOATbe but I don't believe Kobe's top 10:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

Clearly supposed to be an ironic name.

[Lebron23]

30* and you know this.. which is why you add to my age. because i'm the same age as your boyfriend LeRing chase

and you're still a midget

:roll:


Shooting at 9 feet rims doesn't make you a basketball player. You are dumber than a rock. You look like a F*cking Imbecile. You even bragged about your 21 yrs.old prostitute girlfriend.

[kennethgriffin]

Wow. You're incapable of basic levels of understanding :lol

We're done here.

or you just contradicted yourself



81 is impressive ... infact ... its the 2nd most impressive

and still worth mentioning

whether you like it or not

its the modern day record

its the post merger record

its the visual/hard evidence record

its the guard scoring record

[Lebron23]

or you just contradicted yourself



81 is impressive ... infact ... its the 2nd most impressive

and still worth mentioning

whether you like it or not

its the modern day record

its the post merger record

its the visual/hard evidence record

its the guard scoring record


http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/277/1/a/a_broken_record_5000_by_yotrailmix-d303uk7.jpg

[kennethgriffin]

http://i57.tinypic.com/1zqzj9z.jpg

now post a screen shot of you getting rejected by the rim on a layup attempt from last summer

[Lebron23]

http://i57.tinypic.com/1zqzj9z.jpg



now post a screen shot of you getting rejected by the rim on a layup attempt from last summer


9 feet rims. Did you even adjust it??

[kennethgriffin]

9 feet rims. Did you even adjust it??


i'm 6 foot 2.. theres clearly 2 and a half feed between my right foot and where the pole is on the ground

and 1 and a half feet inbetween my head and the rim

2.5 + 1.5 = 4

6+4 = 10

:lol

[fiddy]

A title and FMVP this year cements him in the top 10.
Agreed

[Lebron23]

i'm 6 foot 2.. theres clearly 2 and a half feed between my foot and the ground where the pole is on the ground

and 1 and a half feet inbetween my head and the rim

2.5 + 1.5 = 4

6+4 = 10

:lol

I know you can adjust that type of basketball rims. Plenty of that type of rims in Canada. Once of friends is living in Canada right now.

[kennethgriffin]

I know you can adjust that type of basketball rims. Plenty of that type of rims in Canada. Once of friends is living in Canada right now.

youre pretty dumb

its a regulation park net and a solid steel one beam post connecting to the backboard

not adjustable

and the space inbetween my head to the rim and feet to the ground more than prove the height of the rim

[ralph_i_el]

ofcourse its cherry picking you ****ing moron

wtf do you think anyones career HIGHLIGHTS are?

when someone lists jordans career... its his "CHERRY PICKED" achievements too


f*cking dumb mother f*cker

:roll:
:facepalm
Like when you compare longevity stats between Kobe and Bird, when you know Birds career was shortened by his back. Everybody knows that Bird was the greater player, but you find ONE way to make Kobe look better and run with it. It's stuff like that. Kobe had 5 rings sure, but all over them he got on teams just as stacked as you disparage Bron for...and on 3 of them he was clearly the 2nd best player....1 of them he was legit piggybacked to. He couldn't carry shitty teams to the playoffs, which is something that just about everyone else in the top 10 has done. Bron dragged a shit team to the finals at the same age Kobe was side kicking for Shaq.

Give me Durant the past few seasons over Prime Kobe. Kobe=longevity, luck, and the LA hype machine.

Talk all you want about Bron in 2011...then remember how the Mavs raped and embarrassed the Lakers in a sweep that season.

[ShawkFactory]

30* and you know this.. which is why you add to my age. because i'm the same age as your boyfriend LeRing chase

and you're still a midget

:roll:
Wait...you're a 30-year-old dude that worships an athlete this much???

I stopped with that nonsense in highschool.

No wonder most of the things you say are stupid :roll:

[kennethgriffin]

http://i57.tinypic.com/14o2cck.jpg


just an idea of how far my head is from the rim from take off

[kennethgriffin]

:facepalm
Like when you compare longevity stats between Kobe and Bird, when you know Birds career was shortened by his back. Everybody knows that Bird was the greater player, but you find ONE way to make Kobe look better and run with it. It's stuff like that. Kobe had 5 rings sure, but all over them he got on teams just as stacked as you disparage Bron for...and on 3 of them he was clearly the 2nd best player....1 of them he was legit piggybacked to. He couldn't carry shitty teams to the playoffs, which is something that just about everyone else in the top 10 has done. Bron dragged a shit team to the finals at the same age Kobe was side kicking for Shaq.

Give me Durant the past few seasons over Prime Kobe. Kobe=longevity, luck, and the LA hype machine.

Talk all you want about Bron in 2011...then remember how the Mavs raped and embarrassed the Lakers in a sweep that season.


wait.. so its a bad thing that kobe could play longer?

doesnt that boost his career?

are we putting tmac in the conversation now of goat because of potential before injuries?

sorry .. but now youre reverse cherry picking... taking things away for no good reason

[Hey Yo]

people harp on kobes finals numbers in 2000... yet without the game he sprained his ankle in the first few minutes. he averages 19ppg for the series

and other than that bs..


2000 - 19/5/5 finals average ( minus the injured ankle 2 point game )
2001 - 25/8/6 finals average
2002 - 27/6/5 finals average
2009 - 32/6/7 finals average
2010 - 29/8/4 finals average


thats an overall finals average of 26ppg/7rpg/5apg
LOL @ leaving out the 04' and 07' losses.

Just owned yourself by leaving them out purposely because you know his avg in the Finals is shit.

[kennethgriffin]

LOL @ leaving out the 04' and 07' losses.

Just owned yourself by leaving them out purposely because you know his avg in the Finals is shit.


that doesnt really change it all too much


23/3/4 in 2004
26/5/5 in 2008

maybe at most brings it down to 25/6/5

still great

[Hey Yo]

that doesnt really change it all too much


23/3/4 in 2004
26/5/5 in 2008

maybe at most brings it down to 25/6/5

still great
If it didn't, you wouldn't have purposely left them out.

Still great against the so called weak East??

:oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

that doesnt really change it all too much


23/3/4 in 2004
26/5/5 in 2008

maybe at most brings it down to 25/6/5

still great
Why don't you ever post FG%?

[ralph_i_el]

wait.. so its a bad thing that kobe could play longer?

doesnt that boost his career?

are we putting tmac in the conversation now of goat because of potential before injuries?

sorry .. but now youre reverse cherry picking... taking things away for no good reason
It doesn't tell you.the entire picture. Bird accomplished more as an individual than Kobe in a much shorter time. Kobe was missing the playoffs in his prime. That should tell you that he's not top 10 level. None of the other top-10 guys are missing the playoffs in their prime even with a bum squad. LeBron isn't top 10 even though he piggybacked a shit squad to the finals as a fricken NBA baby? But Kobe's teams weren't contenders in seasons where you say he was the best player in the league?

[aj1987]

that doesnt really change it all too much


23/3/4 in 2004
26/5/5 in 2008

maybe at most brings it down to 25/6/5

still great
Efficiency? Kobe was averaging 50.7% TS and LeBron, 54.7% TS.

[kennethgriffin]

If it didn't, you wouldn't have purposely left them out.

Still great against the so called weak East??

:oldlol:


the reason kobes stats went down in 2000,2001,2002 actually was because of the east being bad


when the lakers played the great teams in the west. games were close and shaq was taken out when teams started the hackashaq

and the better bigs in the west and better defenses gave better help on him. which is why kobe had to take over bigger scoring loads

in the 2001 first 3 rounds kobe averaged 33ppg

then when the lakers could sit back and relax against trash teams like philly/jersey ... they put them away early and shaq just went to work.

no hackashaq needed. no close games. no foul trouble..



but as far as the drop off against great defensive teams like the 2004 pistons

its fully expected. and for the last 11 years since the pistons were formed. the east consistently atleast had 1-2 great teams

the east as a whole has sucked since the 1999.. but that only helps guys like lebron. not kobe


lebron gets to play those crap east teams. kobe doesnt

which is why kobes beatin 24 teams with 50+ wins in series

while lebrons only beatin 5

[kennethgriffin]

It doesn't tell you.the entire picture. Bird accomplished more as an individual than Kobe in a much shorter time. Kobe was missing the playoffs in his prime. That should tell you that he's not top 10 level. None of the other top-10 guys are missing the playoffs in their prime even with a bum squad. LeBron isn't top 10 even though he piggybacked a shit squad to the finals as a fricken NBA baby? But Kobe's teams weren't contenders in seasons where you say he was the best player in the league?


no he didnt

:lol :roll:

the only thing bird has on kobe is 2 more regular season mvps

kobe accomplished way more

[Dro]

It doesn't tell you.the entire picture. Bird accomplished more as an individual than Kobe in a much shorter time. Kobe was missing the playoffs in his prime. That should tell you that he's not top 10 level. None of the other top-10 guys are missing the playoffs in their prime even with a bum squad. LeBron isn't top 10 even though he piggybacked a shit squad to the finals as a fricken NBA baby? But Kobe's teams weren't contenders in seasons where you say he was the best player in the league?
Gotta admit, this is an excellent post. And I dont have a dog in this fight. I do think Lebron can definitely be top 10 when its done, I just think he needs probably 1 more ring.

[ShawkFactory]

It doesn't tell you.the entire picture. Bird accomplished more as an individual than Kobe in a much shorter time. Kobe was missing the playoffs in his prime. That should tell you that he's not top 10 level. None of the other top-10 guys are missing the playoffs in their prime even with a bum squad. LeBron isn't top 10 even though he piggybacked a shit squad to the finals as a fricken NBA baby? But Kobe's teams weren't contenders in seasons where you say he was the best player in the league?
Kobe is definitely top 10. Your point in general though...:applause:

[TheMarkMadsen]

It doesn't tell you.the entire picture. Bird accomplished more as an individual than Kobe in a much shorter time. Kobe was missing the playoffs in his prime. That should tell you that he's not top 10 level. None of the other top-10 guys are missing the playoffs in their prime even with a bum squad. LeBron isn't top 10 even though he piggybacked a shit squad to the finals as a fricken NBA baby? But Kobe's teams weren't contenders in seasons where you say he was the best player in the league?

Kobe missed the playoffs once.. In a season where he was injured and surrounded by Kwame brown.

Kareem missed the playoffs twice in his career during his prime. I guess that keeps him out of the top 10 huh?

Oh but you just said no other top 10 players missed the playoffs in their prime?

Wow way to expose yourself as another hater talking out of his ass

[Dro]

Kobe missed the playoffs once.. In a season where he was injured and surrounded by Kwame brown.

Kareem missed the playoffs twice in his career during his prime. I guess that keeps him out of the top 10 huh?

Oh but you just said no other top 10 players missed the playoffs in their prime?

Wow way to expose yourself as another hater talking out of his ass
You named one player bro...Come on now, lol....Unless we're actually being super literal......At least name some more because if you can't, then Ralph still is basically correct if 9-10 top 10 goats never missed the playoffs in their prime...I don't know off the top of my head and I don't feel like looking it up....

[TheMarkMadsen]

You named one player bro...Come on now, lol....Unless we're actually being super literal......At least name some more because if you can't, then Ralph still is basically correct if 9-10 top 10 goats never missed the playoffs in their prime...I don't know off the top of my head and I don't feel like looking it up....

he said no other top 10 player has missed the playoffs in their prime..


while the arguable GOAT did twice in a row..

if Kareem can go his entire career never making the playoffs without the two GOAT point guards then Kobe missing the playoffs in 05 is really no big deal in the big picture.

and Jordan made the playoffs with 30 win, 40 win seasons.. if the east wasn't so weak that it allowed 30 & 40 win teams into the playoffs I guess Jordan would be knocked out of the top 10 too :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Wilt missed the playoffs at age 26 too..

Hakeem missed the playoffs in 92..

that's him being wrong.. sorry..