Who would you rather have on your team in the Finals--2006 Wade or 2012 Bron?

[sportjames23]

Well?

[SouBeachTalents]

Definitely not 2011 LeBron

[greatest-ever]

For the finals Wade. For the season Lebron handily.

[Megabox!]

Well?
You tell us, who would you rather have?

[L.A. Jazz]

The 2006 refs on my side.

[JohnFreeman]

12 Bron

[J Shuttlesworth]

Really depends on the cast you have. LeBron's playmaking was on point in 2012, but Wade's ability to score and get to the line was insane. Almost 100 free throws in a series :biggums:

[Crose]

Really depends on the cast you have. LeBron's playmaking was on point in 2012, but Wade's ability to score and get to the line was insane. Almost 100 free throws in a series :biggums:
agenda :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Marchesk]

1967 Wilt

[Lebron23]

LeBron

2012 Thunder > 2006 Mavericks. And I like Wade as a player.

OKC had Durant, Westbrook, and Harden.

[aj1987]

1967 Wilt
Sure, if your team has 4 other 20 PPG scorers.

LeBron's '12 entire Playoff run was incredible, but only for the Finals, I'm taking Wade. Dude's bankshot was money. LeBron struggled with his shot in '12 Finals.

[sportjames23]

You tell us, who would you rather have?

2006 Wade had one of the GOAT Finals, so there's that.

[Akrazotile]

Ill take either one as long as my opponent has game 7 kobe

[AkronAngel]

LeBron. He did it without ref help.

[Dresta]

2006 Wade: he played better in the the final two rounds. Yes, Bron had some amazing games against the Celtics, but if he'd played like Wade did against the Pistons it never would've gone 7 (Bron with 65% FT shooting, losing games 3-5).

[Bigsmoke]

2006 Wade: he played better in the the final two rounds. Yes, Bron had some amazing games against the Celtics, but if he'd played like Wade did against the Pistons it never would've gone 7 (Bron with 65% FT shooting, losing games 3-5).

The Mavs also choked and weren't that on D


If Dirk played like Dirk did all season that year then the Macs would of won.

Didn't the 8th seed warriors beat those mavs that following year?

[Papaya Petee]

2006 and it's not even close.

Wade willed his team back into the series vs a much better team than 2012 Thunder. The amount of clutch shots, free throws, and plays he made for the team was insane. He is the ONLY reason Miami won that series

40 PPG in the last 4 games, 4 straight wins. 2012 Finals LeBron doesn't sniff that.

[Hey Yo]

2006 and it's not even close.

Wade willed his team back into the series vs a much better team than 2012 Thunder. The amount of clutch shots, free throws, and plays he made for the team was insane. He is the ONLY reason Miami won that series

40 PPG in the last 4 games, 4 straight wins. 2012 Finals LeBron doesn't sniff that.
He avg just under 15ppg from the free throw line in those 4 games.

[penny4president]

2006 dwade was clutch... (ofcourse with some help from the ref)

[Papaya Petee]

He avg just under 15ppg from the free throw line in those 4 games.

Oh, so the guy who was the best slasher that year and attacked the rim more than anybody in the league was attacking the rim time after time getting fouls because the Mavericks couldn't stop him? :applause: great logic.

That leaves 25.5 PPG without free throws, LeBron averaged 28 PPG vs the Thunder.

:confusedshrug:

[ShawkFactory]

Are we asking which finals was better? Because obviously that's 06 Wade.

But if both series were replayed, I would expect Wade to perform slightly less dominantly and Lebron maybe even more.

12 Bron was a better player and he was at his most focused. I'll take him.

[jlip]

2012 Lebron easily.

[aj1987]

2012 Lebron easily.
Finals.

[Jacks3]

I'll take Wade if I'm playing one of the worst defenses in Finals history and get to play 8 on 5.

Otherwise it's LeBron easily.

[Wade's Rings]

I'll take Wade if I'm playing one of the worst defenses in Finals history and get to play 8 on 5.

Otherwise it's LeBron easily.

These Kobe Stans:facepalm Wade's Series is rigged while Kobe has never gotten a call.

So what was the Game 6 of the 2002 Conference Finals? What was Game 7 of the 2010 Finals?

What was Kobe shooting 16 FTA per Game vs the Jazz and people claiming that series was rigged? What was Kobe shooting 15 FTA per Game against the Kings?

[Genaro]

Yo, Lebron, I'm really happy for you, I'ma let you finish, but Wade had one of the best finals of all time! One of the finals videos of all time!

[SamuraiSWISH]

For starters, 2012 LeBron is easily the better player.

Historically, Wade's performance on paper is better.

And he did beast, and was clutch. Hit a ton of nice mid range shots. But let's be honest, even though he was in attack mode ... the production was significantly enhanced with touch foul calls. Like Harden in these regular seasons.

So for those who actually watched it, it is kind of overrated.

I'd call their Finals performance equal for these reasons. Wade's numbers are more impressive. But, 2012 Thunder > 2006 Mavericks, and LeBron was facing / guarding the next best player at his position. And won the battle.

I prefer the Wade intangibles, and big game performance in the Finals. So I'll go with him.

But his 2006 Finals is overrated, and 2012 LeBron was definitely the better player ... plus faced superior competition individually, or as a team. Also had better help though.

[aj1987]

For starters, 2012 LeBron is easily the better player.

Historically, Wade's performance on paper is better.

And he did beast, and was clutch. Hit a ton of nice mid range shots. But let's be honest, even though he was in attack mode ... the production was significantly enhanced with touch foul calls. Like Harden in these regular seasons.

So for those who actually watched it, it is kind of overrated.

I'd call their Finals performance equal for these reasons. Wade's numbers are more impressive. But, 2012 Thunder > 2006 Mavericks, and LeBron was facing / guarding the next best player at his position. And won the battle.

I prefer the Wade intangibles, and big game performance in the Finals. So I'll go with him.

But his 2006 Finals is overrated, and 2012 LeBron was definitely the better player ... plus faced superior competition individually, or as a team. Also had better help though.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

For those of us who ACTUALLY watched it, it's a top 5 GOAT Finals performance.

[SamuraiSWISH]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

For those of us who ACTUALLY watched it, it's a top 5 GOAT Finals performance.
When at the time everyone who watched it was LOL @ the foul calls he was getting. Players would tap his ass and he'd be on the line. Like I said, he attacked the bucket and took advantage of the generous calls he was getting. It's not Wade's fault. But it does dampen in actual context what he was doing.

[aj1987]

When at the time everyone who watched it was LOL @ the foul calls he was getting. Players would tap his ass and he'd be on the line. Like I said, he attacked the bucket and took advantage of the generous calls he was getting. It's not Wade's fault. But it does dampen in actual context what he was doing.
Even if you ignore ALL the FT's, he scored 22 PPG. He did get 1-2 "touch" fouls a game, but not as many as you guys claim. All I remember is Wade being clutch AF and hitting jumpers when the Heat needed him to.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Even if you ignore ALL the FT's, he scored 22 PPG.
That's a top five Finals performance all time to you? STFU already. It's an overrated Finals by Miami fans, and Wade stans.

I'm a fan of the guy, he reps my city. What he did was clutch, and impressive. It was great. People use his PPG and say it's at the best or near it. When it's obvious his production was padded by suspect officiating.

But for anyone who saw it live, the league at the time was in embarrassment mode @ the touch, ticky tack, soft fouls he was getting. It happened all season for perimeter guys, and exploded to ridiculous levels in the Finals that made watching the product difficult.

[aj1987]

That's a top five Finals performance all time to you? STFU already. It's an overrated Finals by Miami fans, and Wade stans.

I'm a fan of the guy, he reps my city. What he did was clutch, and impressive. It was great. People use his PPG and say it's at the best or near it. When it's obvious his production was padded by suspect officiating.

But for anyone who saw it live, the league at the time was in embarrassment mode @ the touch, ticky tack, soft fouls he was getting. It happened all season for perimeter guys, and exploded to ridiculous levels in the Finals that made watching the product difficult.
Yo, ****tard. I said he put up 22 PPG even if you ignore ALL the FT's. I didn't say 22 PPG is a top 5 GOAT performance. What he ACTUALLY did is a top 5 GOAT Finals performance.

As I said, he probably got 1-2 touch fouls per game MAX. Stop pretending like half of the fouls were touch fouls.

[Stringer Bell]

2012 Lebron.

Not a knock on Wade, but Bron was just the better player.

[kennethgriffin]

depends. are we getting 2006 refs or 2012 refs?

[Jacks3]

The other thing that makes Wade's performance overrated is that the the Heat offense actually really sucked in that series.

He put up big numbers yet the Heat ORTG was a terrible 101.0 (league average was at 106.2)

The real reason the Heat won is because they took a fantastic Mavs offense and completely shut them down. They held them to a historically low 99.9 ORTG!

Wade had little to with that.

On the other hand, the Heat offense in the 2012 Finals was historically incredible at 115.1 . Oh, and LeBron's team/help defense in that series was off the charts.

So yeah, Wade may have had the better raw numbers, but it's clear that LBJ was the higher impact player. Dominating while anchoring a GOAT level offense is a lot more impressive than putting up big numbers on a horrific offense.

[Doranku]

2006 Wade 'cuz I know he ain't bolting 2 years later.

[Dresta]

The other thing that makes Wade's performance overrated is that the the Heat offense actually really sucked in that series.

He put up big numbers yet the Heat ORTG was a terrible 101.0 (league average was at 106.2)

The real reason the Heat won is because they took a fantastic Mavs offense and completely shut them down. They held them to a historically low 99.9 ORTG!

Wade had little to with that.

On the other hand, the Heat offense in the 2012 Finals was historically incredible at 115.1 . Oh, and LeBron's team/help defense in that series was off the charts.

So yeah, Wade may have had the better raw numbers, but it's clear that LBJ was the higher impact player. Dominating while anchoring a GOAT level offense is a lot more impressive than putting up big numbers on a horrific offense.
That's because Wade's team sucked you stupid prat. Bron had Wade on his team on 12, and lots of guys making 3s. Wade had Shaq shooting 20% from the line and Antoine 'high efficiency' Walker - Jason Williams too.

What a bullshit argument, seriously.

[Wade's Rings]

The other thing that makes Wade's performance overrated is that the the Heat offense actually really sucked in that series.

He put up big numbers yet the Heat ORTG was a terrible 101.0 (league average was at 106.2)

The real reason the Heat won is because they took a fantastic Mavs offense and completely shut them down. They held them to a historically low 99.9 ORTG!

Wade had little to with that.

On the other hand, the Heat offense in the 2012 Finals was historically incredible at 115.1 . Oh, and LeBron's team/help defense in that series was off the charts.

So yeah, Wade may have had the better raw numbers, but it's clear that LBJ was the higher impact player. Dominating while anchoring a GOAT level offense is a lot more impressive than putting up big numbers on a horrific offense.

You still didn't answer my questions about Kobe:banana:



hat's a top five Finals performance all time to you? STFU already. It's an overrated Finals by Miami fans, and Wade stans.

I'm a fan of the guy, he reps my city. What he did was clutch, and impressive. It was great. People use his PPG and say it's at the best or near it. When it's obvious his production was padded by suspect officiating.

But for anyone who saw it live, the league at the time was in embarrassment mode @ the touch, ticky tack, soft fouls he was getting. It happened all season for perimeter guys, and exploded to ridiculous levels in the Finals that made watching the product difficult.

Most of those "phantom" fouls have been proven to be real fouls. In Game 3 he shot 3 Free Throws in the 4th Quarter. 1 while driving and the other from an Intentional Foul. Game 4 was a blowout. Game 6 he had 6 Free Throws come from Dallas Intentionally Fouling. Like i said before most of those fouls have been shown from Different Angles and proven to be real fouls.

The 2006 Finals is rigged because of Free Throws but the 2012 Finals didn't have any suspect Officiating.:banghead:

[Budadiiii]

Wade.

You can trust his killer instinct and urgency in the finals. He just gets after it.

LeBron got lucky in 2012 against a young, inexperienced team. Had they played the Spurs I don't think LeBron would've ever gotten a ring.

[aj1987]

The other thing that makes Wade's performance overrated is that the the Heat offense actually really sucked in that series.

He put up big numbers yet the Heat ORTG was a terrible 101.0 (league average was at 106.2)

The real reason the Heat won is because they took a fantastic Mavs offense and completely shut them down. They held them to a historically low 99.9 ORTG!

Wade had little to with that.

On the other hand, the Heat offense in the 2012 Finals was historically incredible at 115.1 . Oh, and LeBron's team/help defense in that series was off the charts.

So yeah, Wade may have had the better raw numbers, but it's clear that LBJ was the higher impact player. Dominating while anchoring a GOAT level offense is a lot more impressive than putting up big numbers on a horrific offense.
Are you serious or just trolling? :roll:

[Milbuck]

We just gonna ignore that Wade was putting up 23/6/5 next to Lebron in the 2012 finals, while Wade was spreading Dallas wide open basically by himself?

[Jacks3]

Are you serious or just trolling? :roll:

No trolling at all. The Wade stans say he was "unstoppable" but the point is make the offense better. It's not to put up pretty stats. If you told the Mavs before that series that they would hold the Heat offense to a horrific 101.0 ORTG, they would have been ecstatic. It's clear that the Heat defense was the real MVP in that series.

LeBron went up against a better defense and anchored a GOAT level offense while playing terrific defense.

It's pretty obvious which feat is more impressive.

[Smoke117]

The other thing that makes Wade's performance overrated is that the the Heat offense actually really sucked in that series.

He put up big numbers yet the Heat ORTG was a terrible 101.0 (league average was at 106.2)

The real reason the Heat won is because they took a fantastic Mavs offense and completely shut them down. They held them to a historically low 99.9 ORTG!

Wade had little to with that.

On the other hand, the Heat offense in the 2012 Finals was historically incredible at 115.1 . Oh, and LeBron's team/help defense in that series was off the charts.

So yeah, Wade may have had the better raw numbers, but it's clear that LBJ was the higher impact player. Dominating while anchoring a GOAT level offense is a lot more impressive than putting up big numbers on a horrific offense.

...Wade was the most consistent defensive player on the perimeter for the Heat you stupid bastard.

[Jacks3]

...Wade was the most consistent defensive player on the perimeter for the Heat you stupid bastard.

His defense in that series was nothing special you ****.

Mourning and Haslem were two biggest impact players defensively by far.

Wade's defense was not even in the same universe as LeBron's

Go back and watch the series, you ****ing moron.

[aj1987]

No trolling at all. The Wade stans say he was "unstoppable" but the point is make the offense better. It's not to put up pretty stats. If you told the Mavs before that series that they would hold the Heat offense to a horrific 101.0 ORTG, they would have been ecstatic. It's clear that the Heat defense was the real MVP in that series.

LeBron went up against a better defense and anchored a GOAT level offense while playing terrific defense.

It's pretty obvious which feat is more impressive.
You do realize that the '12 Heat's 2nd best scorer was Wade at 23 PPG, right? '06? Walker with 14 PPG on 45% TS. Wade was Miami's offense that series. Wade's defensive covers scored on 48% and 47% TS. Lets not act like Wade wasn't cooking defensively as well.

Give Wade another 23 PPG scorer who can pass and defend on the '06 Heat, they would've won in 5 max.

[BasedTom]

We just gonna ignore that Wade was putting up 23/6/5 next to Lebron in the 2012 finals, while Wade was spreading Dallas wide open basically by himself?
seems like it.

Kids these days... :biggums:

[Smoke117]

You do realize that the '12 Heat's 2nd best scorer was Wade at 23 PPG, right? '06? Walker with 14 PPG on 45% TS. Wade was Miami's offense that series. Wade's defensive covers scored on 48% and 47% TS. Lets not act like Wade wasn't cooking defensively as well.

Give Wade another 23 PPG scorer who can pass and defend on the '06 Heat, they would've won in 5 max.

Walker was averaging more shots than he was points. Jacks3 is a flippin' moron whose not even worth anymore of anyone's time.

[Jacks3]

Smoke117 is a ****ing retard who can't do shit but whine, moan, and complain.

STFU you ****.

[Smoke117]

Smoke117 is a ****ing retard who can't do shit but whine, moan, and complain.

STFU you ****.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/14kwrhk.gif

...and I thought I was the angry one. :oldlol:

[BasedTom]

Smoke117 is a ****ing retard who can't do shit but whine, moan, and complain.

STFU you ****.
chill lil *****. it's just basketball discussion among reasonable grown adults after all

you want your sippy cup?

[SouBeachTalents]

Wade got his points, but his efficiency (51.6% TS) was quite bad.

No, the Heat offense was amazing because LeBron put on a passing/play-making clinic. He completely picked apart the Thunder with his vision and reads AND scored 27 PPG on fantastic efficiency to boot. Put LeBron on the Heat and there's no way in hell their offense is so terrible. No way in hell.

LeBron is just a higher impact player offensively.

Deal with it, Wade stans.

Don't know where you got your figures

Wade's 2006 Finals TS%: 57%
LeBron's 2012 Finals TS%: 56%

[Jacks3]

Don't know where you got your figures

Wade's 2006 Finals TS%: 57%
LeBron's 2012 Finals TS%: 56%

He was talking about 2012 Wade son.

I'm done with this. You can't argue with these Wade dickriders.

[sportjames23]

chill lil *****. it's just basketball discussion among reasonable grown adults after all

you want your sippy cup?


Damn. :oldlol:

[AintNoSunshine]

06 Wade comes with 3 refs right?

[Budadiiii]

06 Wade comes with 3 refs right?
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1188305/touch1_1.jpg

[AintNoSunshine]

06 Wade comes with 3 refs right?

[AintNoSunshine]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1188305/touch1_1.jpg


Because refs can't miss ONE call against your boyfriend right?:facepalm

[Wade's Rings]

You do realize that the '12 Heat's 2nd best scorer was Wade at 23 PPG, right? '06? Walker with 14 PPG on 45% TS. Wade was Miami's offense that series. Wade's defensive covers scored on 48% and 47% TS. Lets not act like Wade wasn't cooking defensively as well.

Give Wade another 23 PPG scorer who can pass and defend on the '06 Heat, they would've won in 5 max.
:bowdown:



Because refs can't miss ONE call against your boyfriend right?:facepalm

Durant was in foul trouble the whole game because of previous calls. Then this call gets missed and the Heat tie it up 1-1 when it could've been 2-0 to the Thunder. Not One Call.:lol

[ArbitraryWater]

:bowdown:




Durant was in foul trouble the whole game because of previous calls. Then this call gets missed and the Heat tie it up 1-1 when it could've been 2-0 to the Thunder. Not One Call.:lol

Quite the Wade fan here, arguing pretty much against the Heat just for the >LeBron stuff

[nba_55]

:bowdown:




Durant was in foul trouble the whole game because of previous calls. Then this call gets missed and the Heat tie it up 1-1 when it could've been 2-0 to the Thunder. Not One Call.:lol

Yes it was one call. All the fouls on Durant were legit. And he should have fouled out earlier on a charge, but the refs called it a block to keep him in the game.

[Wade's Rings]

Quite the Wade fan here, arguing pretty much against the Heat just for the >LeBron stuff

:banana: The Refs were the sole reason the Heat won in 06 but Lebron has never gotten a call or two to go his way.


Yes it was one call. All the fouls on Durant were legit. And he should have fouled out earlier on a charge, but the refs called it a block to keep him in the game.

Of Course they were all legit it suits your agenda.