All under 6' 6" Built Like a Brick Shithouse Team: Could they win a title any year?

[CavaliersFTW]

Guys that with or without weight training were built like football players that your favorite tall, gangly basketball players might be able to shoot over, but don't want to step in front of on a drive, nor run into on a pick, nor fight out for a rebound.

PG Oscar Robertson:
6-4.75" without shoes
205-220lbs

SG Dwyane Wade:
6' 3.75" without shoes
212-231lbs

SF Elgin Baylor:
6' 5" without shoes
214-236lbs

PF Charles Barkley:
6' 4.75" without shoes
253-300lbs

C Wes Unseld:
6' 5.5" without shoes
245-270lbs
___________________________________________

PG (bench) Jason Kidd:
6' 2.75" without shoes
205-215lbs

SG/SF (bench) Mitch Richmond:
6' 4" without shoes
215-222lbs

SG/SF (bench) James Harden:
6' 4" without shoes
220-225lbs

SF/PF (bench) Gus Johnson:
6' 4.75" without shoes
230-235lbs

SF/PF (bench) Larry Johnson:
6' 5.5"
250-263lbs

PF/C (bench) Jason Maxiell:
6-5" without shoes
258-270lbs

Feel free to round out the bench if I missed any obvious candidates.

[LosBulls]

Wouldn't get past 2nd round.

Charles Barkley and Dwyane Wade are the only good players. Like seriously, DWade had Prime LeBron and Bosh and still couldn't guarantee a championship, plus they didn't have a 6'5 C.

[CavaliersFTW]

Wouldn't get past 2nd round.

Charles Barkley and Dwyane Wade are the only good players. Like seriously, DWade had Prime LeBron and Bosh and still couldn't guarantee a championship, plus they didn't have a 6'5 C.
The entire starting line up save for Dwyane Wade are NBA 50th anniversary 50-greatest HOF legends. Dwyane Wade of course is a 75-greatest caliber player if they decide to make a 75th anniversary team.

Don't be scared to contribute serious input for a change.

[KobesFinger]

No. In past eras where teams played inside the front line is too short. In todays game where players play smaller, they don't have the shooting

[ralph_i_el]

Wouldn't get past 2nd round.

Charles Barkley and Dwyane Wade are the only good players. Like seriously, DWade had Prime LeBron and Bosh and still couldn't guarantee a championship, plus they didn't have a 6'5 C.

Wes Unseld is a HOF championship level franchise player....

Team would need more shooters in this era, but you didn't list the bench and there are a million shooters under 6'6" and thick (Mitch Richmond? Future Brad Beal?)

[scm5]

The entire starting line up save for Dwyane Wade are NBA 50th anniversary 50-greatest HOF legends. Dwyane Wade of course is a 75-greatest caliber player if they decide to make a 75th anniversary team.

Don't be scared to contribute serious input for a change.

Wade is definitely Top 25 All-Time, minimum.

[CavaliersFTW]

Wes Unseld is a HOF championship level franchise player....

Team would need more shooters in this era, but you didn't list the bench and there are a million shooters under 6'6" and thick (Mitch Richmond? Future Brad Beal?)
Gotta be built like a brick shit house though - that's the team gimmick (Just for the hell of it.)

[CavaliersFTW]

Wade is definitely Top 25 All-Time, minimum.
Calm down.

35th anniversary team = 35 greatest

Those players all carried over to the:

50th anniversary team = 50 greatest (15 guys were added)

Those players all carry over to the:

75th anniversary team = 75 greatest (25 guys would be added)

Wade qualifies. I'm not ranking Wade. I'm just saying he'd be part of the 75th anniversary team if the NBA decides to make one.

[ralph_i_el]

Gotta be built like a brick shit house though - that's the team gimmick (Just for the hell of it.)

Mitch is too skinny?

The team in the OP would be super hard to score against and would.be dominant in transition. If they ran an aggressive D like the heat did two seasons ago they would be able to keep getting into transition, and in the half court they have the talent to get by in a cramped spacing situation.

[CavaliersFTW]

Mitch is too skinny?

The team in the OP would be super hard to score against and would.be dominant in transition. If they ran an aggressive D like the heat did two seasons ago they would be able to keep getting into transition, and in the half court they have the talent to get by in a cramped spacing situation.
I think he qualifies actually, draftexpress says 215lbs at about 6-5 (they don't list if that's a measurement or list info)

[CavaliersFTW]

Okay I added Richmond, and Jason Kidd to the bench after looking at their physical data they qualify.

What else does this team need?

[Jameerthefear]

there are a couple guys on that team who shouldn't be in the nba in this era.

[CavaliersFTW]

there are a couple guys on that team who shouldn't be in the nba in this era.
No, all of those players could play in any era.

And even if your 15 year old prejudice thinks otherwise I specifically asked:

"All under 6' 6" Built Like a Brick Shithouse Team: Could they win a title any year?"

[Jameerthefear]

maxiel should probably start over unseld tbh

[CavaliersFTW]

maxiel should probably start over unseld tbh
Unseld won an MVP when Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell were in the league, and won a title when Jabbar and Bill Walton were in their prime. He's one of the greatest passing centers of all time, a tremendous rebounder, and one of the most brutal pick setters that ever played. Like, him setting a pick looks like a highlight he's so good at it.

Maxiell is lucky to even be on the list, I only added him because he's the only player I've seen capable of playing minutes as a center in the NBA outside of Gus Johnson that is legitimately under 6 foot 6.

[Jameerthefear]

Unseld won an MVP when Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell were in the league, and won a title when Jabbar and Bill Walton were in their prime. He's one of the greatest passing centers of all time, a tremendous rebounder, and one of the most brutal pick setters that ever played. Like, him setting a pick looks like a highlight he's so good at it.

Maxiell is lucky to even be on the list, I only added him because he's the only player I've seen capable of playing minutes as a center in the NBA outside of Gus Johnson that is legitimately under 6 foot 6.
that's nice that he won an MVP in the 60's.
still would put maxiel over him tho

[CavaliersFTW]

that's nice that he won an MVP in the 60's.
still would put maxiel over him tho
Sorry, not your team.

[ralph_i_el]

Okay I added Richmond, and Jason Kidd to the bench after looking at their physical data they qualify.

What else does this team need?
Kyle Lowry. He's like 5'11 210 lbs

[HurricaneKid]

Great collection of redundant talent. Not enough shooting and not enough size. I think they would struggle in the half court. Mozgov would have like 40/.

[Milbuck]

Any team with prime Oscar, Wade, and Barkley is winning it all, regardless of how big the other players are..as longer as they're NBA-level players. And I haven't seen much footage of Unseld or Gus Johnson at all but I'm assuming they were really f*cking good.

[CavaliersFTW]

Any team with prime Oscar, Wade, and Barkley is winning it all, regardless of how big the other players are..as longer as they're NBA-level players. And I haven't seen much footage of Unseld or Gus Johnson at all but I'm assuming they were really f*cking good.
Unseld won an MVP his rookie year in a league of Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell, and anchored a title team in a league of prime Kareem and prime Bill Walton.

Kevin Love's outlet passes are patterned after Wes Unselds, so there'd be a lot of quick outlet opportunties happening on that team.

Elgin Baylor is in the starting line up too.

[SHAQisGOAT]

On paper at least, they would destroy the whole league...

[j3lademaster]

Isn't Ben Wallace 6'6 or 6'5.5"? Easily one of the best defenders of the modern era and it would be nice to have a player who doesn't need to use the ball on this team.

edit: Joe Dumars was a tough sob at the sg position. He has a stocky build and underrated strength for the guard position. And while Wade is a much, much better individual player than he ever was, he's probably a better fit alongside Barkley and Big O.

[oarabbus]

What kind of ****ing stupid bastard thinks a team with Wade/Robertson/Baylor/Barkley/Kidd/Richmond is going to do anything short of a Finals appearance (or MAYBE a tough game 7 loss in conference finals)?

I definitely agree remove the 6'6" limit make it under 6'10" instead and allow Ben Wallace on the team and the team is a championship lock. Every year ever.

[RightToCensor]

James Harden

[Milbuck]

Unseld won an MVP his rookie year in a league of Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell, and anchored a title team in a league of prime Kareem and prime Bill Walton.

Kevin Love's outlet passes are patterned after Wes Unselds, so there'd be a lot of quick outlet opportunties happening on that team.

Elgin Baylor is in the starting line up too.
Totally skimmed over it. Jesus. Yeah they're winning it all.

[CavaliersFTW]

James Harden
Wow can't believe I overlooked him.

That bench is starting to look like a full-blown 2nd unit.

[blablabla]

Honestly the only concern with this team is three point shooting

[CavaliersFTW]

Honestly the only concern with this team is three point shooting
Any solid 3 point shooting players built like tanks that you can think of off hand?

I mean it's not like that team can't shoot. Some of those guys are/were great shooters, even if it isn't always 3 point range.

[Knicksfever2010]

Guys that with or without weight training were built like football players that your favorite tall, gangly basketball players might be able to shoot over, but don't want to step in front of on a drive, nor run into on a pick, nor fight out for a rebound.

PG Oscar Robertson:
6-4.75" without shoes
205-220lbs

SG Dwyane Wade:
6' 3.75" without shoes
212-231lbs

SF Elgin Baylor:
6' 5" without shoes
214-236lbs

PF Charles Barkley:
6' 4.75" without shoes
253-300lbs

C Wes Unseld:
6' 5.5" without shoes
245-270lbs
___________________________________________

PG (bench) Jason Kidd:
6' 2.75" without shoes
205-215lbs

SG/SF (bench) Mitch Richmond:
6' 4" without shoes
215-222lbs

SG/SF (bench) James Harden:
6' 4" without shoes
220-225lbs

SF/PF (bench) Gus Johnson:
6' 4.75" without shoes
230-235lbs

PF/C (bench) Jason Maxiell:
6-5" without shoes
258-270lbs

Feel free to round out the bench if I missed any obvious candidates.

Im confused, Wes is listed at 6'7, why you saying he 6'5.5?

[blablabla]

Any solid 3 point shooting players built like tanks that you can think of off hand?

I mean it's not like that team can't shoot. Some of those guys are/were great shooters, even if it isn't always 3 point range.
Larry Johnson? does he qualify? not the greatest 3 point shooter but i always like it when a power forward can the stretch the floor

[CavaliersFTW]

Im confused, Wes is listed at 6'7, why you saying he 6'5.5?
Because that's how tall he actually was. He told the Bullets he was 6-7 at Louisville because he was afraid they wouldn't draft him if they found out how tall he actually was. He's one of the first players who's height from that era, is clearly exaggerated a-la modern players. Actually, the guy who's the earliest example of this is also in this list. Gus Johnson was apparently only 6-4 and 3/4 but listed 6-6.

[CavaliersFTW]

Larry Johnson? does he qualify? not the greatest 3 point shooter but i always like it when a power forward can the stretch the floor
He sure does.

[SHAQisGOAT]

How about...

Andrian Dantley was 6'5 but very buff and very strong (even before being a pro), one of the greatest scorers ever, nobody could really check 1on1 in the post, big or small:
http://bermansports.com/images/500-dantley-irish.jpg

Vinnie "The Microwave" Johnson, under 6'3 but over 200 lbs, massive "little guy":
http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/teamsites/images/legacy/pistons/vjohnson_300_110926.jpg

Iggy is under 6'6:
http://pe.opel2015.com/images1/andre-iguodala-6.jpg

World B Free, great scorer in his best days, short but well built:
https://hechoenlasamericas.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/world-b-free.jpg

Also, how tall was Ben Wallace w/o shoes on?

Anthony Mason was taller than 6'6, or not?

Shit, how about Larry Johnson?

Mark Aguirre was massive, listed at 6'6.

Don Chaney seemed like a big guard...

[Chadwin]

not in the illegal defense era

they will get iso'd to death in the post

[JimmyMcAdocious]

DFish. Guaranteed conference finals appearance. He'll make all your clutch shots.

[Dresta]

What kind of ****ing stupid bastard thinks a team with Wade/Robertson/Baylor/Barkley/Kidd/Richmond is going to do anything short of a Finals appearance (or MAYBE a tough game 7 loss in conference finals)?

I definitely agree remove the 6'6" limit make it under 6'10" instead and allow Ben Wallace on the team and the team is a championship lock. Every year ever.
This.

Bunch of ****ing morons on this site.

[CavaliersFTW]

Ben Wallace was about 6-7 without shoes he doesn't qualify. The only player that was exclusively a center their entire career in NBA history that qualifies is Wes Unseld. There are a few guys who could swing to center though, like Maxiell, Barkley, Gus Johnson and Larry Johnson could probably contribute minutes there in a pinch with their size, length, strength and athelticism.

[ralph_i_el]

Ben Wallace was about 6-7 without shoes he doesn't qualify. The only player that was exclusively a center their entire career in NBA history that qualifies is Wes Unseld. There are a few guys who could swing to center though, like Maxiell, Barkley, Gus Johnson and Larry Johnson could probably contribute minutes there in a pinch with their size, length, strength and athelticism.
Do you have any Unseld footage? I know you're the guy to go to for old bball stuff:cheers:

[CavaliersFTW]

Do you have any Unseld footage? I know you're the guy to go to for old bball stuff:cheers:
Working on some Bullets highlights as we speak but here's 2 ASG's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GweEs_iCqds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1pf4BdiOJ0

The Bullets highlights will be a better indicator how he played in the context of a team he's actually anchoring in the middle for 35-40+ minues. Like setting his bone crushing screens those look nasty and his backcourt players deliberately ran their man straight into him as often as they could.

[RightToCensor]

James Harden and Larry Johnson is a match made in heaven

[kurple]

kenneth faried could do a job of the bench

[RightTwoCensor]

kenneth faried could do a job off the bench
Our bench does need warming.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Sometimes talent overrides match ups and team synergy. Not always but, with that line up, you bet it does. They have juuuust enough post D (Unseld and Johnson) to avoid getting totally roasted inside, and even with their small roster they'd kill it on the boards. Even their guards are ELITE rebounders for their positions.

[hangintheair]

Chuck Hayes should be in there instead of Jason Maxiel

[alexd]

No baron Davis?

[Height Freak]

For me:

-Larry Johnson at 6'5.25"
-Andre Iguoadala at 6'5.25"
-I would include Derek Fisher instead of Jason Kidd.


Wade is actually 6'3" flat and not that built IMO (same for Kidd).

Also, I would make honorable mentions to the guys who are just above the height mark. Like Ben Wallace, Carlos Boozer and Anthony Mason who are actually on the higher end of 6'6" (all of them between 6'6.5" and 6'6.75")

[CavaliersFTW]

For me:

-Larry Johnson at 6'5.25"
-Andre Iguoadala at 6'5.25"
-I would include Derek Fisher instead of Jason Kidd.


Wade is actually 6'3" flat and not that built IMO (same for Kidd).

Also, I would make honorable mentions to the guys who are just above the height mark. Like Ben Wallace, Carlos Boozer and Anthony Mason who are actually on the higher end of 6'6" (all of them between 6'6.5" and 6'6.75")
Your numbers are all off, hardly any of it lines up with draftexpress. While I'm open to believe draft data can be incorrect or misleading, I would need to be shown that it has been exposed as such on numerous occasions, and for the specific players you've indicated.

Do you have any evidence to debunk the draft data on him which pegged Wade for example, at 6-3 and 3/4? (And btw, he's built like a truck he was up to 231lbs a few seasons ago). I'm looking for verbage as a means to debunk draft data, like articles, player interviews where they admit to their height, etc, not pictures. Pictures can be misleading as they do not exclude the variable of shoes and posture and often lead people to the wrong conclusions particularly if there isn't an even perspective.

[Dro]

How about Mugsy? Serious. He was built, he'd be great off the bench or starting honestly with that talent surrounding him. But probably better off the bench with this team playing great defense and providing playmaking and then the bench can play more uptempo with him in the game, of course you can't wrong with Kidd.

And how tall is Bernard King?

[TheNaturalWR]

For me:

-Larry Johnson at 6'5.25"
-Andre Iguoadala at 6'5.25"
-I would include Derek Fisher instead of Jason Kidd.


Wade is actually 6'3" flat and not that built IMO (same for Kidd).

Also, I would make honorable mentions to the guys who are just above the height mark. Like Ben Wallace, Carlos Boozer and Anthony Mason who are actually on the higher end of 6'6" (all of them between 6'6.5" and 6'6.75")

Wade's not that built because he slimmed down this past season. From 10-13' he was jacked.

[hangintheair]

Tom "Satch" Sanders - 6-6 210lbs

[CavaliersFTW]

Tom "Satch" Sanders - 6-6 210lbs
He was pretty thin, built like a typical basketball player not a football player

[tgan3]

That team will win it all trust me, too much talent.

[tgan3]

6'5 mark aguirre or how about tom heinsohn (should be 6'6 barefoot)?

[ralph_i_el]

No comments on my Kyle Lowry suggestion? The dude is a bowling ball out there. If he was 6'5" and built the same he'd be about 230 at least.

[CavaliersFTW]

No comments on my Kyle Lowry suggestion? The dude is a bowling ball out there. If he was 6'5" and built the same he'd be about 230 at least.
I can't find measurement data on him tbh, he didn't go under the tape or step on a scale when drafted, or at least the numbers weren't published and the initial listed numbers on his weight make him seem not-all-that-big at only 175 at least early in his career. You say he's about 210 now?

[iamgine]

Well sure when you have 10 stars in your team you always have a chance to win it all. Besides, it's cheating because Barkley and Wes had proven they could play those position.

[CavaliersFTW]

Here's a Wes Unseld game highlight for anyone interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS8hUd6mAYU

I believe that's the first full-game (non-ASG) highlight of Wes uploaded to YouTube.

[CavaliersFTW]

Check out the sequence of picks Wes sets as he sets himself up for a basket

https://youtu.be/xS8hUd6mAYU?t=3m25s

Brick Shithouse mode activated :bowdown:

[Jameerthefear]

Check out the sequence of picks Wes sets as he sets himself up for a basket

https://youtu.be/xS8hUd6mAYU?t=3m25s

Brick Shithouse mode activated :bowdown:
>open video
>1973
>close video

[ralph_i_el]

Here's a Wes Unseld game highlight for anyone interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS8hUd6mAYU

I believe that's the first full-game (non-ASG) highlight of Wes uploaded to YouTube.
Nice!

And I did some googles, Lowry is at least 200

[Height Freak]

Your numbers are all off, hardly any of it lines up with draftexpress. While I'm open to believe draft data can be incorrect or misleading, I would need to be shown that it has been exposed as such on numerous occasions, and for the specific players you've indicated.

Do you have any evidence to debunk the draft data on him which pegged Wade for example, at 6-3 and 3/4? (And btw, he's built like a truck he was up to 231lbs a few seasons ago). I'm looking for verbage as a means to debunk draft data, like articles, player interviews where they admit to their height, etc, not pictures. Pictures can be misleading as they do not exclude the variable of shoes and posture and often lead people to the wrong conclusions particularly if there isn't an even perspective.

If you consider draft express like the bible, then my numbers are going to be "all off" every single time. You shouldn't believe every article you read, but take the info from it and then use it with objectivity and compare to other sources and use your common sense.

Many of the draft express "without shoes" heights are actually "with shoes", others are just simply off and biased because of the players agents and marketing/pr teams. Why they are accurate on some heights and completely off in others? :confusedshrug:

Wade's 6'3.75" measurement is a with shoe measuring with a low cut shoe, since he wanted to be considered a playmaker and not 2/3 player coming into the league. I'm not as meticulous as you are to gather all the news articles and data sources, so I don't have records on Wade other than what I've seen and heard when he entered the league.

Carlos Boozer is another example, his 6'7.75" height is a with shoes height that Draft express got in as a "without shoes" height.

Another player example: Do you really think that Klay Thompson is 6'5.75" barefooted and 6'7.25" with shoes as per draft express? He's not even 6'6" with shoes on, and he's about 6'4" barefooted.


Larry Johnson has many times admitted that he's only 6'5"...and from my experience (more than 25 years watching NBA and college ball) I'm certain that he is either a flat 6'5" or 6'5.25" max.

https://youtu.be/hOSQHnKvypQ?t=2m4s