Lets Be Real: This Cav Team Misses Playoffs Without LeBron

[SilkkTheShocker]

They have looked nothing short of pathetic when he hasn't played. Winning a title with 2nd and 3rd options that haven't even sniffed playoff game would be huge for his legacy. Not to mention winning it for a 3rd rate, podunk, garbage-ass franchise like the Cavs. Simply amazing.

[imdaman99]

Cavs were on an upward winning incline for the past 4 years. They would have made it anyway, especially seeing that it might only take 35 wins to get in as the 8th seed. Irving + Love gets them in pretty easily, and also doesn't alienate Love :oldlol:

[JebronLames]

They have looked nothing short of pathetic when he hasn't played. Winning a title with 2nd and 3rd options that haven't even sniffed playoff game would be huge for his legacy. Not to mention winning it for a 3rd rate, podunk, garbage-ass franchise like the Cavs. Simply amazing.
That's why he's the GOAT

[AkronAngel]

They were rubbish without him.

[Rodmantheman]

Nah Celtics are the 8th seed for crying out loud.

[Joyner82reload]

Ridiciulous thread. Irving would be averaging 26/4/8 and Love would be around 28/14/3

[ZeN]

Without LeBron, Love becomes a completely different player. They would miss the playoffs in the West.. but would make the 8th spot at least in the east.

[Genaro]

Kyrie
JR
Marion
Love
Mozgov

This team is better than the Celtics.

[DaSeba5]

They are completely stacked. There are teams below .500 that are going to make the playoffs in the East. They definitely would.

[triangleoffense]

Gtfo the celtics are the 8th seed in the east.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Ridiciulous thread. Irving would be averaging 26/4/8 and Love would be around 28/14/3

And miss the playoffs.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Which Celtic is better than Irving or Love?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Misses the playoffs? No, but they definitely would miss the playoffs in the West without LeBron. They'd probably be 7th or 8th seed in the east though

[SHAQisGOAT]

T-Wolves with:

Rubio
K Martin
Brewer
Love
Pekovic (only played 54 games)

and a weak bench, finished 40-42 in the West...

Now we're talking about...

Kyrie
JR Smith / Shumpert
Marion
Love
Mozgov / Thompson

?

In the East, where 33-41 Boston is #8 right now, for example.

Can't tell how well Love and Kyrie would work together running the team, but c'mon now, get real...

[pegasus]

They'd easily make it, and they'd be in top-5 if they had Mozgov, JR, and Shumpert in the beginning of the season.

[SaltyMeatballs]

They would make it in as a 7th or 8th seed considering how bad the East's depth is

[aj1987]

Ridiciulous thread. Irving would be averaging 26/4/8 and Love would be around 28/14/3
Sure, but they'd win about 30 games.

[Joyner82reload]

Sure, but they'd win about 30 games.

You're an idiot. The 2014 TWolves won 40 games. The Cavs minus LeBron have a far superior roster than Minnesota of last year.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Who would be making plays though?

[coin24]

No they'd easily be 6-8 seed..

[Leroy Jetson]

Poor Lebron, if only he could play with some decent players, gtfo.

[Fire Colangelo]

JR Smith and Shumpert weren't doing shit for the Knicks, now all of a sudden they're key players?

Mozgov is legit tho.

[aj1987]

You're an idiot. The 2014 TWolves won 40 games. The Cavs minus LeBron have a far superior roster than Minnesota of last year.
You do know that Love is playing injured, right? You're the idiot if you think he's putting up 28/14/3. He didn't put those numbers up on a worse team with a less ball dominant PG in Rubio. Also, IF he is able to score 28 PPG, he'd probably do it on shitty efficiency.

[beastee]

Imagine where this team would be without a great closer like Irving. Wow...

[SilkkTheShocker]

Imagine where this team would be without a great closer like Irving. Wow...

Agreed. Where would they be without a player that has never been close to playing in a playoff game until LeBron got there.

[jayfan]

No, but they'd be a 5th seed without Mozgov.




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[RedBlackAttack]

Agreed. Where would they be without a player that has never been close to playing in a playoff game until LeBron got there.
Actually, the Cavs were relatively close last year. They were fighting for the 8th seed this time last season and that was after the horrific "Bynum experiment" which derailed the first 30 games or so. After that difficult start, they played essentially .500 ball for the rest of the season. Keep in mind that wasn't done with guys like Love, Shumpert, Mozgov or JR Smith dotting the roster... we're talking Earl Clark, Alonzo Gee and Tyler Zeller all playing serious minutes and/or starting.

Also, a guy being unable to drag his team to the playoffs in his first three years and at the ripe old age of 21 isn't exactly a crime against humanity... especially when his first two years in the league were spent on a team openly tanking for cap space/draft picks (a strategy which eventually worked to perfection, btw).


But, by all means... back to your agenda/trolling.

[Real14]

Which Celtic is better than Irving or Love?
End thread. Silkk slayed once again:applause:

[houston]

this true indeed Lebron saved them

[SpecialQue]

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[jbryan1984]

Im not saying we would of went deep in the playoffs, but I doubt we miss it in the east. Our record had improved every year since Bron left. Playoffs were next.

[Solefade]

LeBron is not only the most important player on the Cavs, he's also the best executive GM in the NBA

[Solefade]

also singlehandedly responsible for Cleveland's economy

[poido123]

Let's be real: Op would still be jerking off to other men, even if Lebron wasn't around

[RedBlackAttack]

LeBron is not only the most important player on the Cavs, he's also the best executive GM in the NBA
I guess you could just mindlessly believe this because it's a fun idea or whatever, but just be aware that it has no basis in reality. The trades that ultimately netted Mozgov, Smith and Shumpert for Waiters and a pick was something that David Griffin devised over several months. The savvy move to trade for Brendan Haywood -- who will be essentially a $10 million trade exception next year -- was completely a Griffin maneuver.

Love's agent let the world know that if LeBron went to Cleveland, he'd be willing to stay here longterm. So, really, that was more something that was initiated by Love than it was James. Then, prior to the season, James likely pushed to have his buddies added to the roster -- James Jones, Mike Miller and Shawn Marion (one of which is currently in the rotation)... Oh, and he also publicly pushed for the Cavs to re-sign Varejao to that three-year deal despite his history with injuries (hasn't exactly worked out)...

But literally every move made since has been 100-percent the front office, ownership and, in Mozgov's case, a guy that David Blatt had been pushing for.

It amazes me the lengths to which people will go to deny any Cavalier not named LeBron James credit for anything.



Im not saying we would of went deep in the playoffs, but I doubt we miss it in the east. Our record had improved every year since Bron left. Playoffs were next.

And just to build on that, the Cavs were 10-18 in the 28 games during Andrew Bynum's cancerous stay last year. That's a winning percentage of 35.7-percent.

Ten days later, they got rid of starter(!) Earl Clark in a deal that brought Luol Deng here, and the Cavs went 22-24 in the remaining 46 games. That's a winning percentage of 48-percent.

Those final 46 games even included relatively long periods without Kyrie Irving, without Anderson Varejao, without Deng, without Waiters...

Still, that was a winning percentage that would have been good enough to make the playoffs had the Cavs replaced Bynum with Deng prior to the season instead of halfway through it.

So, basically the question is whether a starting five of:

Kyrie Irving at 22
JR Smith
Iman Shumpert
Kevin Love / Tristan Thompson
Timofey Mozgov

...for an entire season would be as good or better than a starting five of:

Kyrie Irving at 21
Dion Waiters
Luol Deng
Tristan Thompson / Tyler Zeller
Anderson Varejao


Come on, man. :whatever:

[Fudge]

Thread backfire. :oldlol:

[Paul George 24]

That's why he's the GOAT
THAT'S WHY HE IS DUNCAN'S BITCH :lol