Harden or Ginobili

[SamuraiSWISH]

Very similar as players. Stylistically, dominant hand, flopping.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

flopping.

:biggums:

[Proctor]

Ginobili and it's not even a question. :facepalm

[RightToCensor]

The one averaging 27/7 and leading the league in minutes played.

[Jacks3]

Gino was the better shooter, passer, and defender. Unfortunately he didn't have the body to handle big minutes or he could have been a top 3 SG ever.

Maybe even #2. :eek:

[SamuraiSWISH]

:biggums:
Both don't flop habitually?

[LONGTIME]

:biggums:

:biggums:

[navy]

Ginobli never played at the level Harden has this season, but he was never given the chance. You got to pick Harden. But give me GINOBLI!!!!

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Gino was the better shooter, passer, and defender. Unfortunately he didn't have the body to handle big minutes or he could have been a top 3 SG ever.

Maybe even #2. :eek:

:applause:

[navy]

:biggums:
:biggums:

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[SamuraiSWISH]

Unfortunately he didn't have the body to handle big minutes or he could have been a top 3 SG ever.

Maybe even #2. :eek:
You honestly believe that ridiculous hyperbole? And you didn't answer the question bro ...

[tpols]

Gino was the better shooter, passer, and defender. Unfortunately he didn't have the body to handle big minutes or he could have been a top 3 SG ever.

Maybe even #2. :eek:

Dude.. even if Manu had insane longevity, hed still be worse than mj. No way you can give him that second spot.

[TaLvsCuaL]

Ask me in 10 years. It's not a fair comparison to both players.

One has a long career and several rings but is in the twilight of his career, and the other is in his prime but his career almost just begun.

[LONGTIME]

:biggums:

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:oldlol: :applause:

[Spurs5Rings2014]

:biggums:

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[SamuraiSWISH]

Dude.. even if Manu had insane longevity, hed still be worse than mj. No way you can give him that second spot.
He didn't say he'd be the best SG. He's saying he could be better than Kobe as the second best SG ever.Which too is absurd. As is him being better than West, Wade, Drexler, or hell ... McGrady, Ray Allen etc.

[RightToCensor]

2012 James Harden > Any Manu season

[navy]

He didn't say he'd be the best SG. He's saying he could be better than Kobe as the second best SG ever..Which too is absurd. As is him being better than West, Wade, Drexler, or hell ... McGrady, Ray Allen etc.
He was lowkey stanning Kobe. Which is why you were confused.

[Milbuck]

Ginobli never played at the level Harden has this season, but he was never given the chance. You got to pick Harden. But give me GINOBLI!!!!
Yes he has. He might not have reached the raw numbers but actual on-court impact? He's reached that level before without question.

I would take peak Manu in a playoff series 10 times out of 10 and I wouldn't think twice about it. And that's what matters. **** a regular season warrior.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

2012 James Harden > Any Manu season

Yes, his finals performance was one for the ages.

:applause:

[Doranku]

Really easy question, lol

Regular season - Harden
Playoffs - Ginobili

[SamuraiSWISH]

Yes he has. He might not have reached the raw numbers but actual on-court impact? He's reached that level before without question.

I would take peak Manu in a playoff series 10 times out of 10 and I wouldn't think twice about it. And that's what matters. **** a regular season warrior.
Yea but saying "if" he could handle big minutes and "if" he had longevity ... He'd be 3rd or 2nd best SG ever? You honesty consign that bro?

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Yes he has. He might not have reached the raw numbers but actual on-court impact? He's reached that level before without question.

I would take peak Manu in a playoff series 10 times out of 10 and I wouldn't think twice about it. And that's what matters. **** a regular season warrior.

Trillbuck.

:applause:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Yes, his finals performance was one for the ages.

:applause:
As was Ginobili's in 2013

[RightToCensor]

So people would take James Harden for 82 games and Manu for only 28 max games.

O' alright.

[ArbitraryWater]

Gino was the better shooter, passer, and defender. Unfortunately he didn't have the body to handle big minutes or he could have been a top 3 SG ever.

Maybe even #2. :eek:

This.. he's as complete as anyone, would be one of favorite players (he already is) without the annoying flopping.

[SCdac]

Manu came into the league at 25 years old and by the time Tim Duncan had simmered down he was pushing or past 30. Also, I think it's clear prime Manu was never on a team where he could shoot as much as his heart desires like Harden has had since joining the Rockets. These two points I think one has to keep in mind (imagine if Harden had remained a 6th man in OKC, while at the same time coming to the NBA 3-4 years after he finished college instead of at 19 years old). Case in point, it wouldn't be surprising if young Manu could handle bigger minutes and bigger role on a more shallow team built around him like other SG's have done (Harden, Redd, Sprewell, Arenas, etc). Even on the Spurs he took over at times, on the Argentinian team he was MVP, so it's in his nature. As far as careers, give me Manu easily. He's a winner to the Nth degree and complete two-way player. Seems cut from a different cloth than Harden that's for sure.

[Dro]

http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/856207399.gif
:lol

[Milbuck]

Yea but saying "if" he could handle big minutes and "if" he had longevity ... He'd be 3rd or 2nd best SG ever? You honesty consign that bro?
Oh hell no. Not cosigning that at all, he's nowhere near the Kobes or Wades of the world. Whether we wanna go to some fantasy world where he plays huge minutes and has his own team or not. Love Manu but he's not that class of player.

Harden though? Give me peak Manu over Harden in the playoffs all day every day. Harden is just not as good as his numbers.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Manu came into the league at 25 years old and by the time Tim Duncan had simmered down he was pushing or past 30. Also, I think it's clear prime Manu was never on a team where he could shoot as much as his heart desires like Harden has had since joining the Rockets. These two points I think one has to keep in mind (imagine if Harden had remained a 6th man in OKC, while at the same time coming to the NBA 3-4 years after he finished college instead of at 19 years old). Case in point, it wouldn't be surprising if young Manu could handle bigger minutes and bigger role on a more shallow team built around him like other SG's have done (Harden, Redd, Sprewell, Arenas, etc). Even on the Spurs he took over at times, on the Argentinian team he was MVP, so it's in his nature. As far as careers, give me Manu easily. He's a winner to the Nth degree and complete two-way player. Seems cut from a different cloth than Harden that's for sure.

:applause:

[SCdac]

Manu went to town on one of the best defensive teams we've seen in the last 15 years.

Dude looks like he's taking on the whole Pistons team at times :bowdown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEYVtU--QVo

[Height Freak]

Manu.

[Doranku]

Manu went to town on one of the best defensive teams we've seen in the last 15 years.

Dude looks like he's taking on the whole Pistons team at times :bowdown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEYVtU--QVo

Yep. Manu's performance in the finals that year was more impressive than anything James Harden will likely do in his entire career.

[ArbitraryWater]

Manu's a better passer, playmaker and defender than Kobe :applause:

[aj1987]

Manu's a better passer, playmaker and defender than Kobe :applause:
:wtf:

:facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

:wtf:

:facepalm

If you knew an unce about Gino, you'd know that was NOT controversial :oldlol:

[kells333]

Harden may be mvp this season. Manu has never been a top 10 player in his career. Gimmie harden

[Milbuck]

If you knew an unce about Gino, you'd know that was NOT controversial :oldlol:
Says the guy who explicitly said KG "wasn't a defensive stopper until he got to Boston". Lmao at you questioning anyone's knowledge of the game.

Keep going with your agenda doe.

[SaltyMeatballs]

Really easy question, lol

Regular season - Harden
Playoffs - Ginobili
This

[ArbitraryWater]

Says the guy who explicitly said KG "wasn't a defensive stopper until he got to Boston". Lmao at you questioning anyone's knowledge of the game.

Keep going with your agenda doe.

coming from the guy who thought MJ missed the playoffs as a Bull

FOH Milbuck :oldlol:

[Milbuck]

coming from the guy who thought MJ missed the playoffs as a Bull

FOH Milbuck :oldlol:
Mistaking a player missing or making the playoffs is way different from suggesting arguably the greatest defender of his generation "wasn't a defensive stopper" :oldlol: You could not tell me without looking it up which years Kareem missed the playoffs.

[Alamо]

Ginobili is my favorite player of all time. Dude's just a winner. He has one of the most impressive resumes of all time. He's won gold everywhere. It's no coincidence either




Like a jazz virtuoso, Manu sees the notes and the path to string them together while the rest of us simply wait to be entertained. As long as he has the breath to play, he'll keep us all guessing.

[ArbitraryWater]

Mistaking a player missing or making the playoffs is way different from suggesting arguably the greatest defender of his generation "wasn't a defensive stopper" :oldlol: You could not tell me without looking it up which years Kareem missed the playoffs.

75, 76 (pretty sure right when he came to LA)

You don't want none of this, buckie boy

[Doranku]

75, 76 (pretty sure right when he came to LA)

You don't want none of this, buckie boy
:oldlol: You aren't fooling anyone, bud.

[Milbuck]

75, 76 (pretty sure right when he came to LA)

You don't want none of this, buckie boy
Solid "research", as you put it :applause: Considering you've been exposed for blatantly copy/pasting ISH posts, I don't know who you're trying to fool :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Solid "research", as you put it :applause: Considering you've been exposed for blatantly copy/pasting ISH posts, I don't know who you're trying to fool :oldlol:

Don't make me smack you in the ear again kid :oldlol:

[Milbuck]

Don't make me smack you in the ear again kid :oldlol:
Yeah, go ahead and hold this L for me bud. Excited to read your next copy pasted response. Don't disappoint.

[Smoke117]

Gino was the better shooter, passer, and defender. Unfortunately he didn't have the body to handle big minutes or he could have been a top 3 SG ever.

Maybe even #2. :eek:

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[ArbitraryWater]

Yeah, go ahead and hold this L for me bud. Excited to read your next copy pasted response. Don't disappoint.

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Seriously doe how did you not expect to get called out the first time you did that?

[Graviton]

Isn't Arbitrary still a teenager? Now he acting like he watched prime Kobe/Ginobili and can make an accurate unbiased analysis. Next thing you know he will be debating with LAZ about Wilt vs Russell. :lol

[aj1987]

If you knew an unce about Gino, you'd know that was NOT controversial :oldlol:
If you knew an "unce" about basketball, you'd know that Kobe was a stud defensively. He may have gotten a ton of underserved All-D selections, but that doesn't change the fact that Kobe reached a level as a defender that Manu never did.



Says the guy who explicitly said KG "wasn't a defensive stopper until he got to Boston". Lmao at you questioning anyone's knowledge of the game.

Keep going with your agenda doe.

You're kidding, right? Even the dumbest of posters wouldn't say that.

[ArbitraryWater]

If you knew an "unce" about basketball, you'd know that Kobe was a stud defensively. He may have gotten a ton of underserved All-D selections, but that doesn't change the fact that Kobe reached a level as a defender that Manu never did.

Peak? Sure..

I'm talking consistency, Kobe carried larger offensive burdens which never allowed him to routinely play that D (he ain't no MJ).

Use your brain, ja.

edit: negged

[SaltyMeatballs]

Says the guy who explicitly said KG "wasn't a defensive stopper until he got to Boston". Lmao at you questioning anyone's knowledge of the game.

Keep going with your agenda doe.
He really said that? :biggums:

[Milbuck]

Peak? Sure..

I'm talking consistency, Kobe carried larger offensive burdens which never allowed him to routinely play that D (he ain't no MJ).

Use your brain, ja.
You understand that you could literally make this same argument about Lebron, right?
He really said that? :biggums:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10710125&postcount=128

[aj1987]

Peak? Sure..

I'm talking consistency, Kobe carried larger offensive burdens which never allowed him to routinely play that D (he ain't no MJ).

Use your brain, ja.

edit: negged
Kobe has been a good defender for more years than Manu has been in the league.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe has been a good defender for more years than Manu has been in the league.

http://i.gyazo.com/f8c65401f74fd6eb6af70a5e4c6d0702.png

Pick a side you goddamn retard :oldlol:

2EZ

[Jud]

Any "didn't read" response is stupid and childish.

Anyway, I'll take Gino over Hard Hard because Gino is actually a really good playoff performer. Harden on the other hand has been dissapointing his last 3 series. The ones before those (vs Dallas and Spurs) he played well. Houston needs that kind of Harden.

[Milbuck]

Kobe has been a good defender for more years than Manu has been in the league.
This post doesn't help much considering AW has actually watched at most probably 3 years of Manu and Kobe's careers.
Any "didn't read" response is stupid and childish.
Especially when you copy/paste it from another poster :oldlol:

[aj1987]

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Pick a side you goddamn retard :oldlol:

2EZ
Can you even read? I said he was a defensive BEAST for 3-4 years. He's been good defensively for many more years.

[Smoke117]

Kobe has been a good defender for more years than Manu has been in the league.

:lol...no.

[ArbitraryWater]

your dumb ass is making it too easy for me :yaohappy:

You're making it hilarious though



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[Jud]

Especially when you copy/paste it from another poster :oldlol:
You used to respond "didn't read" to me all the time, lol.

[PsychoBe]

arbitarywater is visibly exiting his trolling prime right before our eyes.

[Milbuck]

You used to respond "didn't read" to me all the time, lol.
Because it bothered you so much. And it was still my own post.


Didn't read btw.

[aj1987]

arbitarywater is visibly exiting his trolling prime right before our eyes.
Retard is using his alts to neg me. :oldlol:



KG wasn't a good defender until he joined the Celtics? :roll: :roll:

[houston]

james harden better than Manu. If Manu stayed a fulltime starter in the league he would been out of the nba by now.

[Im so nba'd out]

the black one

[k0kakw0rld]

Ginobili :cheers:

[funnystuff]

Ginobili


Serious thread?

[FKAri]

Ginobli until Harden shows his free throw bait style can work in the playoffs.

[AussieG]

Prime - Ginobili
Currently - Harden

[Spurs5Rings2014]

the black one

Ginobili isn't American. Show some consistency with your own gimmick.

:no:

[Im so nba'd out]

Ginobili isn't American. Show some consistency with your own gimmick.

:no:
foreign born whites are better than american born whites i didnt say anything about him them being better than blacks in basketball

[masonanddixon]

I just remember when Duncan and/or Parker would miss games back in the mid 00s Ginobli would go absolutely nuts, like triple double lines on over 50% shooting.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

foreign born whites are better than american born whites i didnt say anything about him them being better than blacks in basketball

Fair enough.

:cheers:

[masonanddixon]

Fair enough.

:cheers:

Thats because they don't have to deal with reverse racism that exists in American sports.

[aj1987]

foreign born whites are better than american born whites i didnt say anything about him them being better than blacks in basketball
Bird, Hondo, West, Stockton, Pistol, Mikan, McHale, etc..

[Im so nba'd out]

Bird, Hondo, West, Stockton, Pistol, Mikan, McHale, etc..
its not even a debate just stop bro everyone knows blacks>whites when it comes to sports

[BasedTom]

the black one
So Ginobili.

[SyRyanYang]

Manu went to town on one of the best defensive teams we've seen in the last 15 years.

Dude looks like he's taking on the whole Pistons team at times :bowdown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEYVtU--QVo

Against no other than Prime Prince:bowdown:

[aj1987]

its not even a debate just stop bro everyone knows blacks>whites when it comes to sports

foreign born whites are better than american born whites i didnt say anything about him them being better than blacks in basketball


Bird, Hondo, West, Stockton, Pistol, Mikan, McHale, etc..

[Im so nba'd out]

Bird, Hondo, West, Stockton, Pistol, Mikan, McHale, etc..
stockton :applause:

the rest of them were before my time.

[rmt]

Manu is too fragile - gets injured easily and takes forever to get back into rhythm. So Harden.

[rmt]

I just remember when Duncan and/or Parker would miss games back in the mid 00s Ginobli would go absolutely nuts, like triple double lines on over 50% shooting.

Those games were far and few between as both Duncan and Parker are workhorses (very durable).

[masonanddixon]

Those games were far and few between as both Duncan and Parker are workhorses (very durable).

Sure, it was maybe 2-4 games max a season but his dominance was clear.

That said, Harden is an absolutely elite SG, but give me Ginobli in the 4th of a big game.

[No_Look604]

Ginobli never played at the level Harden has this season, but he was never given the chance. You got to pick Harden. But give me GINOBLI!!!!

I hear you but hard to compare. Ginobli was older when his career started and he was on a true team with a real coach who emphasized team ball. He was never asked or given the opportunity to jack that many shots like Harden.

I'll say this though, Ginobli beat team USA on the way to GOLD homie!

Ginobli has been down right filthy and clutch in the playoffs.

What has Harden done? He's having a great REGULAR season.

[Captvic]

Ginobili and it's not even close.

[Haymaker]

I think we've seen enough of them to realize that they are more different than similar. Harden is a pure offensive player with good passing skills. Manu is an all around player with actual solid defense and better passing skills. They're both lefties and that's it.

[f0und]

manu easily

he just knows how to win. everywhere he's been, he's had success. on the biggest stages, he brings it. he won his team the euro league chip. he led his national team to gold in the olympics. he's an intricate piece to the spurs (semi)dynasty and should have won a finals mvp.

what exactly has harden done? disappeared in the finals and flopped his way to good numbers.