Kobe Bryant is better than Jordan

[Lebron23]

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[navy]

Kobe Bryant is much better than Jordan. Kobe did it all with little athleticism and had teammates like Pau Gasoft.
In reality if he was born in Jordan's era and played with Pippen (1-9) he would be the GOAT. Can only settle for "Top 5" all time.

[Lebron23]

Kobe Bryant is much better than Jordan. Kobe did it all with little athleticism and had teammates like Pau Gasoft.
In reality if he was born in Jordan's era and played with Pippen (1-9) he would be the GOAT. Can only settle for "Top 5" all time.


Kobe surpassed Jordan in the looks department. In Fudge's own words "He's a pretty boy."

[NumberSix]

In some ways.

[SaltyMeatballs]

In some ways.
Name some

[Paul George 24]

Kobe Bryant is much better than Jordan. Kobe did it all with little athleticism and had teammates like Pau Gasoft.
In reality if he was born in Jordan's era and played with Pippen (1-9) he would be the GOAT. Can only settle for "Top 5" all time.
6-6...............:applause:

[Fudge]

This is true.

The oriental has finally admit it.

[Lebron23]

This is true.

The oriental has finally admit it.


Are you really Budaiii?? I think they called us Pacific Islanders.

[NumberSix]

Name some
Better shooter. Better post moves. Better handle.

[Spurs m8]

Kobe Bryant is much better than Jordan. Kobe did it all with little athleticism and had teammates like Pau Gasoft.
In reality if he was born in Jordan's era and played with Pippen (1-9) he would be the GOAT. Can only settle for "Top 5" all time.

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[fiddy]

trying to pull off Mr. Jabbar?

[ShawkFactory]

Better shooter. Better post moves. Better handle.
Long range yes. Jordan was a better midrange shooter.

[Lebron23]

trying to pull off Mr. Jabbar?


:cheers:

[Solefade]

Better shooter. Better post moves. Better handle.

better footwork too...but a way more inferior basket maker

[The_Pharcyde]

Kobe Bryant is much better than Jordan. Kobe did it all with little athleticism and had teammates like Pau Gasoft.
In reality if he was born in Jordan's era and played with Pippen (1-9) he would be the GOAT. Can only settle for "Top 5" all time.


Delusional!!! Lol

[SaltyMeatballs]

Better shooter. Better post moves. Better handle.
MJ's career TS% - 58
Kobe career TS% - 55

Kobe's just a better post shooter/3 pt shooter. MJ was the mid-range king.

[NumberSix]

Long range yes. Jordan was a better midrange shooter.
Kobe is a better free throw shooter too.

[ShawkFactory]

Kobe is a better free throw shooter too.
Not really.

[SaltyMeatballs]

Kobe is a better free throw shooter too.
MJ's career FT% (regular season/playoffs): 83.5/82.8
Kobe's career FT% (regular season/playoffs): 83.7/81.9

Overall, Mike was slightly better.

[NumberSix]

MJ's career FT% (regular season/playoffs): 83.5/82.8
Kobe's career FT% (regular season/playoffs): 83.7/81.9

Overall, Mike was slightly better.
Fair enough. I stand corrected.

[coin24]

More handsome, bigger di.ck, hotter wife:bowdown:

[navy]

More handsome, bigger di.ck, hotter wife:bowdown:
How you know?

[G0ATbe]

People still think MJ's better:lol ? Tell me again, how many rings did he win with a Pau Gasoft calibre 2nd option? What did Pippen do with that team when Jordan took a break after getting his father killed?

Kobe's a better shooter, better footwork, more skilled, played in a superior era, is a better son, and is better looking. Jordan was more athletic and that's it.

[Paul George 24]

better footwork too...but a way more inferior basket maker
BUT HE CAN'T FINNISH :lol

[Paul George 24]

People still think MJ's better:lol ? Tell me again, how many rings did he win with a Pau Gasoft calibre 2nd option? What did Pippen do with that team when Jordan took a break after getting his father killed?

Kobe's a better shooter, better footwork, more skilled, played in a superior era, is a better son, and is better looking. Jordan was more athletic and that's it.


HOW COME KOBRICK NEVER SHOT OVER 50FG%:roll:

[G0ATbe]

HOW COME KOBRICK NEVER SHOT OVER 50FG%:roll:
Because Jordan was a pretty shitty shooter for the majority of his career and thus took less long range shots. Imagine how terrible Jordans FG% would be if he took the type of shots Kobe took daily.:roll:

[AirBourne92]

MJ's career TS% - 58
Kobe career TS% - 55

Kobe's just a better post shooter/3 pt shooter. MJ was the mid-range king.

numbers without context mean jack

mj had the help of illegal defense rules to generate clean looks and played very fundamental

kobe jacked a lot of illadvised shots and was doubled and tripled on and off the ball more than jordan


if you actually bother watching both player's greatest games, you would see that kobe's shooting ability outshines jordan's by a solid margin.

[Beastmode88]

People still think MJ's better:lol ? Tell me again, how many rings did he win with a Pau Gasoft calibre 2nd option? What did Pippen do with that team when Jordan took a break after getting his father killed?

Kobe's a better shooter, better footwork, more skilled, played in a superior era, is a better son, and is better looking. Jordan was more athletic and that's it.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/toyotamotors/CareerStats_zpsd0f50f9c.jpg

[ShawkFactory]

Because Jordan was a pretty shitty shooter for the majority of his career and thus took less long range shots. Imagine how terrible Jordans FG% would be if he took the type of shots Kobe took daily.:roll:
You just raped yourself. :lol

[G0ATbe]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/toyotamotors/CareerStats_zpsd0f50f9c.jpg
Based on the era he played in it's no surprise his stats look better, just like Wilts were better than Jordans. He played in a weak era. The greatest competition he ever faced off against at his position was Teenagerbe and he got manhandled.

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Eye test >>>>> stats.

[Marchesk]

Jordan never lost out on an MVP to a 6 foot white PG.

[SouBeachTalents]

Based on the era he played in it's no surprise his stats look better, just like Wilts were better than Jordans. He played in a weak era. The greatest competition he ever faced off against at his position was Teenagerbe and he got manhandled.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2254892/kobe-block-jordan-mad-o.gif
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Eye test >>>>> stats.

Having the better career > One block in an exhibition game

[Alamо]

Somebody really made this thread in 2015? I thought we were better than this

[ShawkFactory]

Having the better career > One block in an exhibition game
Being a superior human >blocking an old dude.

Contracting AIDS > being GOATBE. At least you know you've had sex if you have AIDS.

[ShawkFactory]

Somebody really made this thread in 2015? I thought we were better than this
April Fools day...

[Hey Yo]

Based on the era he played in it's no surprise his stats look better, just like Wilts were better than Jordans. He played in a weak era. The greatest competition he ever faced off against at his position was Teenagerbe and he got manhandled.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2254892/kobe-block-jordan-mad-o.gif
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Eye test >>>>> stats.
Holy shit!!!

Kobe blocks MJ and LeBron in separate exhibition games, That right there alone in HoF worthy.

[Beastmode88]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3692973/kobefail.gif

kobe pretty much got blocked into retirement.

[G0ATbe]

-30k/5k/5k club
-Surpassed Jordan all time and on his way to the all time scoring leader #1 spot
-5 rings, in a superior era
-Back to back with Pau gasoft as the 2nd option
-Most dominant,feared scorer in NBA history
-Clutchest player of all time
-Handsome


vs

-First round fodder for life, until Pippen came
-1 more ring than Kobe, in an era where all the great teams were too old to compete with the most stacked team ever
-Had no competition at his position for almost his entire career...until 1996


I'll take Kobe's career.

[DonDadda59]

Bean is the epitome of an era specific player. Dude played during Jordan's era and was a poor man's Jamal Crawford. From '96-'00 (3X all star, 2nd option on championship squad), his highest scoring game was 40... it was the only time during that span he scored at least 40.

Kyrie Irving had 2 50 point games this season alone. :kobe:

[Beastmode88]

-30k/5k/5k club
-Surpassed Jordan all time and on his way to the all time scoring leader #1 spot
-5 rings, in a superior era
-Back to back with Pau gasoft as the 2nd option
-Most dominant,feared scorer in NBA history
-Clutchest player of all time
-Handsome


vs

-First round fodder for life, until Pippen came
-1 more ring than Kobe, in an era where all the great teams were too old to compete with the most stacked team ever
-Had no competition at his position for almost his entire career...until 1996


I'll take Kobe's career.

yet kobe did nothing without a legit big man. :banana:

[AirBourne92]

Bean is the epitome of an era specific player. Dude played during Jordan's era and was a poor man's Jamal Crawford. From '96-'00 (3X all star, 2nd option on championship squad), his highest scoring game was 40... it was the only time during that span he scored at least 40.

Kyrie Irving had 2 50 point games this season alone. :kobe:


kyrie also did it with a super team recruited by lebron james

meanwhile kobe was shitting all over 5 man defenses by himself

you literally have the worst posts on this site, it reeks of amateur basketball knowledge

no clue how much dinks you've sucked to be that green

[DonDadda59]

kyrie also did it with a super team recruited by lebron james

'98 Lakers had 4 all stars broseph.


meanwhile kobe was shitting all over 5 man defenses by himself

*Post rule changes*

As assistant pimp to Shaq facing the same defenses Jordan did, he was a poor man's Jamal Crawford as I pointed out earlier.

Check the stats, from 1996-2000 Kobe only scored 40 once. 4 seasons. 3 all star games. 1 championship. Only hit the 40 point mark once. Barely made it too. That's as many in 4 seasons as Danilo Gallinari on one leg had a few weeks ago.

Kyrie Irving this season- 2 50 point games.

Tell me where I told a lie.



you literally have the worst posts on this site, it reeks of amateur basketball knowledge

no clue how much dinks you've sucked to be that green

This is all hyperbole at best. I don't even know what a 'dink' is

[The_Pharcyde]

-30k/5k/5k club
-Surpassed Jordan all time and on his way to the all time scoring leader #1 spot
-5 rings, in a superior era
-Back to back with Pau gasoft as the 2nd option
-Most dominant,feared scorer in NBA history
-Clutchest player of all time
-Handsome


vs

-First round fodder for life, until Pippen came
-1 more ring than Kobe, in an era where all the great teams were too old to compete with the most stacked team ever
-Had no competition at his position for almost his entire career...until 1996


I'll take Kobe's career.

You have a naked picture of kobe as your avi, you think anyone thinks your opinion is rational when it comes to this subject

[Cold soul]

Kobe was better than MJ in few areas but overall Jordan much better player.

[ShawkFactory]

Kobe was better than MJ in few areas but overall Jordan much better player.
Yep. And Lebron is better than Kobe in a few areas.

You're a reasonable Kobe guy though. Much better than most of the parasites on here.

And love the avy

[SpecialQue]

Because Jordan was a pretty shitty shooter for the majority of his career and thus took less long range shots. Imagine how terrible Jordans FG% would be if he took the type of shots Kobe took daily.:roll:

Wow.

[Paul George 24]

Because Jordan was a pretty shitty shooter for the majority of his career and thus took less long range shots. Imagine how terrible Jordans FG% would be if he took the type of shots Kobe took daily.:roll:

WADE >>>>>>>> KOBE :applause: KOBE NEVER SHOT OVER 50% :banana:

[Cold soul]

Yep. And Lebron is better than Kobe in a few areas.

You're a reasonable Kobe guy though. Much better than most of the parasites on here.

And love the avy

Yeah I'm no Kobetard like some of his fan base is of course Lebron better than Kobe in some aspects heck he might even be better all around player at their peaks. Thanks man! :cheers:

[ImKobe]

http://i.imgur.com/IjAP9EC.gif

[3ball]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/d43a0fed435cbc48f818ee8844437e74.gif


Here's all the field goals MJ and Kobe have scored on each other:


MJ had 5 FG's on Kobe in in 1998 All-Star game (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744214&postcount=23) (to Kobe's zero)..

MJ had 8 FG's on Kobe in regular season games (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10745049&postcount=30) (to Kobe's 4).



Jordan used to crush Kobe like a father toys with his son.. No big deal - Eddie Jones caught a ton of abuse too.

Eddie Jones was one of a bevy of guards during Jordan's 2nd three-peat that otherwise played great defense, but that Jordan toyed with - Latrell Sprewell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvquD3ktNbQ), Ray Allen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCOJQOMEJ4Y), Penny Hardaway (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692264&postcount=24), Jerry Stackhouse (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUMHZbvnMAA), Nick Anderson, Allan Houston (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTsDN_u_pj8), Kendall Gill (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744186&postcount=18), Stacey Augmon, Michael Finley, Mitch Richmond, and just a TON of other guys if we were to go through the whole list.

[ImKobe]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/d43a0fed435cbc48f818ee8844437e74.gif


Here's all the field goals MJ and Kobe have scored on each other:


MJ had 5 FG's on Kobe in in 1998 All-Star game (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744214&postcount=23) (to Kobe's zero)..

MJ had 8 FG's on Kobe in regular season games (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10745049&postcount=30) (to Kobe's 4).



Jordan used to crush Kobe like a father toys with his son.. No big deal - Eddie Jones caught a ton of abuse too.

Eddie Jones was one of a bevy of guards during Jordan's 2nd three-peat that otherwise played great defense, but that Jordan toyed with - Latrell Sprewell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvquD3ktNbQ), Ray Allen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCOJQOMEJ4Y), Penny Hardaway (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692264&postcount=24), Jerry Stackhouse (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUMHZbvnMAA), Nick Anderson, Allan Houston (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTsDN_u_pj8), Kendall Gill (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744186&postcount=18), Stacey Augmon, Michael Finley, Mitch Richmond, and just a TON of other guys if we were to go through the whole list.

Crushed Kobe? Kobe was barely 20 years old when he played MJ in 98...of course Jordan was smarter than him

But let's not forget how Kobe did this in his last game against Jordan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puoruHE7aHk

Kobe - 40

Wizards 41

in the first 20 minutes of the game :kobe:

or how he took MJ's soul in the ASG :oldlol:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2254892/kobe-block-jordan-mad-o.gif

[IllegalD]

Not surprised troll thread was started by a bitcha$$ insecure LeBron Stan :facepalm

Why don't you go watch some DeJuan Wagner clips on youtube to justify your constant bandwagoning jumping. You're like the fan equivalent of Brian Windhorst. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if you were Brian Windhorst, from how much you ride Bron's nuts. :lol

[3ball]

Crushed Kobe? of course Jordan was smarter than him


Jordan 1996-1998 vs. Kobe 2008-2010... REGULAR SEASON

Jordan.. 29.6 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 4.0 APG, 2.2 TO, 1.9 STL, 0.5 BLK, 48.2% FG
Kobe.... 27.4 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 5.1 APG, 3.0 TO, 1.6 STL, 0.4 BLK, 46.1% FG


Jordan 1996-1998 vs. Kobe 2008-2010... FINALS

Jordan.. 31.1 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 4.0 APG, 2.0 TO, 43.4% FG
Kobe.... 29.2 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 5.1 APG, 3.7 TO, 41.3% FG


Jordan's old man game was still better than Kobe's prime.. The league was also tougher - from 1996-1998, league pace was only 90.0 and teams scored 95 PPG, compared to a 92 pace and 100 PPG for 2008-2010.. So MJ's statistical advantage is actually greater than the above stats indicate.. Of course, hand-checking, physicality and paint-camping were all legal during MJ's 2nd three peat too.

Let's not forget that MJ had far more clutch moments and more rings during this time period - and all without any post presence like Kobe had with Gasol.

[navy]

Jordan 1996-1998 vs. Kobe 2008-2010... REGULAR SEASON

Jordan.. 29.6 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 4.0 APG, 2.2 TO, 1.9 STL, 0.5 BLK, 48.2% FG
Kobe.... 27.4 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 5.1 APG, 3.0 TO, 1.6 STL, 0.4 BLK, 46.1% FG


Jordan 1996-1998 vs. Kobe 2008-2010... FINALS

Jordan.. 31.1 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 4.0 APG, 2.0 TO, 43.4% FG
Kobe.... 29.2 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 5.1 APG, 3.7 TO, 41.3% FG


Jordan's old man game was still better than Kobe's prime.. The league was also tougher - from 1996-1998, league pace was only 90.0 and teams scored 95 PPG, compared to a 92 pace and 100 PPG for 2008-2010.. So MJ's statistical advantage is actually greater than the above stats indicate.. Of course, hand-checking, physicality and paint-camping were all legal during MJ's 2nd three peat too.

Let's not forget that MJ had far more clutch moments and more rings during this time period - and all without any post presence like Kobe had with Gasol.
Could Kobe's Lakers win 54 games without him? :no:

[3ball]

Could Kobe's Lakers win 54 games without him? :no:
They easily could, under the exact same circumstances.

The real question is whether kobe could turn an ordinary 2nd round exit team into the greatest team of all time like Jordan did..

Obviously no way, since that would require Kobe to achieve the same 1996-1998 MJ stats that he falls short of - remarkably, Kobe's 2008-2010 stats fell short even though the league's pace was faster, teams scored more, teams used spacing, and the NBA had changed the rules to make penetration easier.

[navy]

They easily could, under the exact same circumstances.

The real question is whether kobe could turn an ordinary 2nd round exit team into the greatest team of all time like Jordan did..

Obviously no way, since that would require Kobe to achieve the 1996-1998 Jordan stats that he falls short of - Kobe's 2008-2010 stats fell short even though the league's pace was faster, teams scored more, all teams used spacing, and the NBA had changed the rules to make penetration easier.
Nope. And you know it:oldlol:

Not sure why you keep pushing that narrative. The greatest team of all time was not the same team that won 54 games + Jordan. :no:

[3ball]

.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd9ayPlqCMg

Jordan scored 41 on Shawn Marion (link above) and hit 2 game-winners:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Gamer_Winner_over_Shawn_55e866d2fecf7dcac60 99fab7982e21e.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Game_Winner_over_Marion_d668079a9f2b87dd28e 03fd08b32e67b.gif


Guards like Kobe, MJ, Westbrook, or Monta Ellis that have true guard quickness (so they aren't just quick for their size) are always big mismatches for frontcourt players like Shawn Marion, Dennis Rodman, Kawhi Leonard or Boris Diaw.

That's why Jordan made made mincemeat (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858) of Rodman and Marion, while Lebron struggles with Diaw, Kawhi and Marion.
.

[ImKobe]

Jordan 1996-1998 vs. Kobe 2008-2010... REGULAR SEASON

Jordan.. 29.6 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 4.0 APG, 2.2 TO, 1.9 STL, 0.5 BLK, 48.2% FG
Kobe.... 27.4 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 5.1 APG, 3.0 TO, 1.6 STL, 0.4 BLK, 46.1% FG


Jordan 1996-1998 vs. Kobe 2008-2010... FINALS

Jordan.. 31.1 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 4.0 APG, 2.0 TO, 43.4% FG
Kobe.... 29.2 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 5.1 APG, 3.7 TO, 41.3% FG


Jordan's old man game was still better than Kobe's prime.. The league was also tougher - from 1996-1998, league pace was only 90.0 and teams scored 95 PPG, compared to a 92 pace and 100 PPG for 2008-2010.. So MJ's statistical advantage is actually greater than the above stats indicate.. Of course, hand-checking, physicality and paint-camping were all legal during MJ's 2nd three peat too.

Let's not forget that MJ had far more clutch moments and more rings during this time period - and all without any post presence like Kobe had with Gasol.

old man game? And how many games had Kobe played by 08 vs MJ in 96?


What I'm seeing is both players putting up elite wing numbers with Kobe playing tougher defenses in the Finals.

96 Seattle's DRTG: 102.1
97 Utah's DRTG: 104.0
98 Utah's DRTG: 105.4

08 Boston's DRTG: 98.9
09 Orlando's DRTG: 101.9
10 Boston's DRTG: 103.8

Kobe up until 07-08 season: 28379 regular season minutes, 5085 Playoffs
Jordan up until 95-96 season: 26510 regular season minutes, 5065 Playoffs

The difference is less than 2000 minutes of NBA Basketball between the two, Jordan had nearly 2 seasons off before 95-96 and he almost missed an entire season in 85-86. There was hardly a difference between the wear and tear with both entering their respective seasons (with Jordan playing LESS minutes), Jordan was still physically very much in his prime, obviously not his young self, but still more athletic than Kobe.

Kobe was in his prime in 08 and 09, he was having knee issues and started to break down in 2010, he had his knee drained in the Playoffs I believe.

And I find it convenient how you compare REGULAR season numbers from 08-10, but not Playoffs :biggums:

Kobe 08: 30/6/6/2 on 48/30/81 shooting
MJ 96: 31/5/4/2 on 46/40/82 shooting
Kobe 09: 30/5/6/2/1 on 46/35/88 shooting
MJ 97: 31/8/5/2/1 on 46/19/83 shooting
Kobe 10: 29/6/6 on 46/37/84 shooting
MJ 98: 32/5/4/2 on 46/30/81 shooting

overall:

Kobe 08-10: 30/6/6/2/1 on 46/34/85 shooting, 50% on 2s, 40.7 MPG, 22.4 FGA
Jordan 96-98: 31/6/4/2/1 on 46/30/82 shooting, 48% on 2s, 41.5 MPG, 24.7 FGA

Jordan took 2.3 more shots + an extra FT a game, and their ppg is 1.6 apart without rounding them up :oldlol:

And if you look further, Kobe was assisted on 25% of his shots. I wish MJ's numbers on assisted shots were available, because they would certainly be higher with Scottie taking over playmaking duties in their 2nd run. Kobe didn't have anyone else to consistently run the offense for the team, hence the higher assist numbers. Don't get me wrong, Jordan is the GOAT and I find this thread ridiculous, but you know that Kobe played better defenses, especially in the Finals and he put up near-identical numbers.

These numbers seem pretty damn equal to me, and Kobe was clearly past his prime after 09.

[navy]

actually, that's exactly what they were - it's historical fact.

you are literally a crazy man for denying that the sky is blue here
Post the rosters.

[3ball]

Post the rosters.
We don't need to do all that - we know what they were - the team was exactly the same, except 12/10 Horace Grant was replaced with 3/15 Dennis Rodman.

[3ball]

you know that Kobe played better defenses.


Why would I think Kobe faced better defenses?

Pace and scoring was LOWER from 1996 to 1998... Physicality was much higher and there was no spacing.. Also, hand-checking and paint-camping were legal..

Heck, the NBA officially stated (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/04/09/stujackson/index.html) the rule changes were meant to increase penetration in today's game and had succeeded in doing so - again, this is from the source and creator of the new rules, so it cannot be subjective opinion, similar to how Warren Buffet's vision for Berkshire Hathaway is not subjective opinion.

Also, we know post scoring is easier in today's game too - all we have to do is look at the post-up efficiencies of today's weaker bigs to estimate how the superior bigs of previous eras would do.. Al Jefferson and others currently lead the NBA (http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/post-up/?dir=1&sort=PPP&CF=Poss*GE*200) in points per possession (PPP) on the post, and they're all at the universally-recognized standard for elite efficiency of 1.00 PPP.

But if this were 1996, Jefferson and other bigs from today would be no higher than 11th, behind Hakeem, Shaq, Robinson, Ewing, Alonzo, Sabonis, Karl Malone, Barkley, Webber, and Kemp.. The elite post efficiency from today's 2nd tier bigs flat-out proves today's defensive environment hasn't diminished post efficiencies.

So why would I think Kobe faced tougher defenses?... That's just ridiculous.
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[navy]

We don't need to do all that - we know what they were - the team was exactly the same, except 12/10 Horace Grant was replaced with 3/15 Dennis Rodman.
:roll:

You cant use the word exactly and then use the word except. Just false advertising. Like I said post the rosters.

[Paul George 24]

:roll:

You cant use the word exactly and then use the word except. Just false advertising. Like I said post the rosters.
LEFLOP STANS IS CRAZY :lol

[AirBourne92]

'98 Lakers had 4 all stars broseph.



*Post rule changes*

As assistant pimp to Shaq facing the same defenses Jordan did, he was a poor man's Jamal Crawford as I pointed out earlier.

Check the stats, from 1996-2000 Kobe only scored 40 once. 4 seasons. 3 all star games. 1 championship. Only hit the 40 point mark once. Barely made it too. That's as many in 4 seasons as Danilo Gallinari on one leg had a few weeks ago.

Kyrie Irving this season- 2 50 point games.

Tell me where I told a lie.




This is all hyperbole at best. I don't even know what a 'dink' is

now compare their ages in that time frame


what you were implying with those 2 things is completely FALSE

get over it
you do know what a dink is, you suck that shit every fuqin day

[ImKobe]

Why would I think Kobe faced better defenses?




You wouldn't, because you're a crazed MJ stan.

And you're using Kobe from 96-00 to prove a point? He was only a starter for 2 seasons, and way before his prime.

And the difference in average pace between 98 and 06 is a whopping .2 possessions per 48 minutes, and FT/FGA rate is identical. Actually, pace in '96 was 1.3 possessions per 48 minutes quicker than in 06, and teams had an average 107.6 DRTG vs 106.2 in 06. :kobe:

So you can spew that bullcrap to someone that doesn't do their homework.

[AirBourne92]

in today's game of free roaming on defense, mj would get pushed out to the perimeter more, and his fg% would take a hit to about 35-40% if he tried to play the same way

thats a pure fact of basketball

in the playoffs he would be completely shut down unless he went lebron james mode and cherry picked everything with a super team

[DonDadda59]

now compare their ages in that time frame

:rolleyes:

By 2001 Kobe was a 5 year veteran, played in 4 all star games, and was a 2 time NBA champion (and some here have argued he was 1B to the MDE :oldlol: )... but now he was somehow handicapped by his age?

OK.

A 21 year old Kyrie Irving had 2 50-point games this season alone.

A 21 year old LeBron had his career scoring high season his 3rd year out of high school (which was the same year that 10 year veterans Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, Ray Allen, Steve Nash also coincidentally had their career highs and when Dwyane Wade set the record for most FTAs in the finals... following some rule changes over the summer. Again, pure coincidence that happened.). He put up 31.4 PPG, had 10 40-point games, 2 50-point games that season.

But the reason a 5 year veteran Bean playing in the isolation era couldn't do the same was because of age.

Real talk.



get over it
you do know what a dink is, you suck that shit every fuqin day

You can't prove that.

[DonDadda59]

in today's game of free roaming on defense, mj would get pushed out to the perimeter more, and his fg% would take a hit to about 35-40% if he tried to play the same way

Like D-Wade, right? :lol

Kobe had no issues getting his shots in the post.

But a superior version of both of them is getting pushed out to the perimeter more... in an era where you can't even breathe on perimeter players.

Story checks out.


in the playoffs he would be completely shut down unless he went lebron james mode and cherry picked everything with a super team

:applause:

[ImKobe]

:rolleyes:

By 2001 Kobe was a 5 year veteran, played in 4 all star games, and was a 2 time NBA champion (and some here have argued he was 1B to the MDE :oldlol: )... but now he was somehow handicapped by his age?

OK.

A 21 year old Kyrie Irving had 2 50-point games this season alone.

A 21 year old LeBron had his career scoring high season his 3rd year out of high school (which was the same year that 10 year veterans Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, Ray Allen, Steve Nash also coincidentally had their career highs and when Dwyane Wade set the record for most FTAs in the finals... following some rule changes over the summer. Again, pure coincidence that happened.). He put up 31.4 PPG, had 10 40-point games, 2 50-point games that season.

But the reason a 5 year veteran Bean playing in the isolation era couldn't do the same was because of age.

Real talk.



You can't prove that.

Kobe in 01 had back-to-back 45+ point games in the PLAYOFFS ON THE ROAD vs Kings and Spurs, who were both elite defensive teams that season.

The argument about Irving is stupid, it doesn't prove a thing.

The rules changed in 04, not before the 05-06 season, by the way. And those guys happened to be in their primes, and Wade happened to be a great player that abused a defense that didn't know how to counter that rule change.

Defenses are tougher in this era, but players nowadays don't counter them the same way they would have back in the day, now it's about shooting the 3 to space the floor and ball movement. It's a different game.

[DonDadda59]

Kobe in 01 had back-to-back 45+ point games in the PLAYOFFS ON THE ROAD vs Kings and Spurs, who were both elite defensive teams that season.

Good but not 21/22 year old LeBron or MJ good :applause:


The argument about Irving is stupid, it doesn't prove a thing.

Defense tougher now though, so anything Kyrie does is automatically more impressive than anything Kobe did in the isolation era.


The rules changed in 04, not before the 05-06 season, by the way. And those guys happened to be in their primes, and Wade happened to be a great player that abused a defense that didn't know how to counter that rule change.

False. The rules committee made the change officially during the '04-'05 season (think it may have actually been the summer of '05) but it wasn't enforced until the start of '05-'06. Then mysteriously, perimeter players started scoring like it was going out of style. Tougher defensive era doe.

No handchecking in '04 would've really come in handy for Bean against the Pistons... actually him shitting the bed in that finals series was one of the major catalysts for eliminating handchecking.


Defenses are tougher in this era, but players nowadays don't counter them the same way they would have back in the day, now it's about shooting the 3 to space the floor and ball movement. It's a different game.

Name one player who faced defense like this post 2004:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WpkXlrJxtw

Bron faced a defense where Boris Diaw stood 5 feet away from him and dared him to shoot open jumpers in the finals for ****sake.
:oldlol:
The game is soft as butter now and guys like Curry and Harden have no problem getting points in various ways whereas in past eras they would be nowhere near the upper echelon players or scorers lists.

[AirBourne92]

Good but not 21/22 year old LeBron or MJ good :applause:



Defense tougher now though, so anything Kyrie does is automatically more impressive than anything Kobe did in the isolation era.



False. The rules committee made the change officially during the '04-'05 season (think it may have actually been the summer of '05) but it wasn't enforced until the start of '05-'06. Then mysteriously, perimeter players started scoring like it was going out of style. Tougher defensive era doe.

No handchecking in '04 would've really come in handy for Bean against the Pistons... actually him shitting the bed in that finals series was one of the major catalysts for eliminating handchecking.



Name one player who faced defense like this post 2004:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WpkXlrJxtw

Bron faced a defense where Boris Diaw stood 5 feet away from him and dared him to shoot open jumpers in the finals for ****sake.
:oldlol:
The game is soft as butter now and guys like Curry and Harden have no problem getting points in various ways whereas in past eras they would be nowhere near the upper echelon players or scorers lists.


defense isnt harder now at all.

the biggest change in defense was from 90s to 00s

isolation era had the hardest defense with handcheck + free roaming

you love making retarded comments in every single thread dont you

[Paul George 24]

Kobe Never Shot Fg 50%

[AirBourne92]

Like D-Wade, right? :lol

Kobe had no issues getting his shots in the post.

But a superior version of both of them is getting pushed out to the perimeter more... in an era where you can't even breathe on perimeter players.

Story checks out.



:applause:


playing the post is different from barreling into the lane like dwade and getting to the rim.

post and mid range play affects defenses on a different scale

they change the gravity up and free up options for more sequences on offense


you literally have no clue about play calling do you?

i bet you are one of those guys that genuinely think lebron got swept in 07 because his team was bad lol

story checks out perfectly if you have an ounce of intricate basketball knowledge

get off your ass, stop posting here, go read a book on basic basketball, work your way up, there are some great resources out there.

starring at the stat sheet isn't going to help you comprehend jack

[Micku]

Better shooter. Better post moves. Better handle.

I would say....more post moves as oppose to better post moves for me, but even that it's like a hair. MJ was quicker, had more lift, and stronger. It's the physical advantage he has that made it seem more unguardable. Dude was efficient as hell and super quick.

Like Kobe may have like 10 post moves and MJ might have like 5. Both use same five, but MJ did it better. Especially the fadeaway and the up and under.

[warriorfan]

The only thing Kobe Bryant is better at is keeping his father alive

[AirBourne92]

I would say....more post moves as oppose to better post moves for me, but even that it's like a hair. MJ was quicker, had more lift, and stronger. It's the physical advantage he has that made it seem more unguardable. Dude was efficient as hell and super quick.

Like Kobe may have like 10 post moves and MJ might have like 5. Both use same five, but MJ did it better. Especially the fadeaway and the up and under.


nope, mj didnt do it better.

he had the help of illegal defense rules to average 1 more fg made than kobe in his career.

thats not better