Remember when Kobe dropped 50 in 4 straight games

[BigBoss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyE-Cnn-Q38

He had 10 50 point games that season.

March 16th 2007-April 17th 2007 he had 7 50 point games.

Greatest Scorer of all-time. :bowdown:

[scm5]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2006/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2007/

Just look at those stat lines, night after night. People considered it a mediocre game if he didn't drop 40+. Dude went HAM those two seasons.

[Fudge]

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Kobe-Bryant-GOAT.jpg

[SwayDizzle]

Def the greatest scorer of all time.

[BlakFrankWhite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyE-Cnn-Q38

He had 10 50 point games that season.

March 16th 2007-April 17th 2007 he had 7 50 point games.

Greatest Scorer of all-time. :bowdown:

:roll:

MJ won 10 scoring titles. Getting double,triple teamed every game....




http://s304.photobucket.com/user/nbacardDOTnet/media/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/Michael%20Jordan/VS/Detroit%20Pistons/Isiah%20Thomas/-mj.jpg.html

https://thebestten.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/jordanrules1.jpg

[BlakFrankWhite]

Def the greatest scorer of all time.


Never had an FG% of 50%.
Never had a 3P% of 40%
Never had FT% of 90%

"Greatest scorer off all time"

[SwayDizzle]

:roll:

MJ won 10 scoring titles. Getting double,triple teamed every game....




http://s304.photobucket.com/user/nbacardDOTnet/media/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/Michael%20Jordan/VS/Detroit%20Pistons/Isiah%20Thomas/-mj.jpg.html

https://thebestten.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/jordanrules1.jpg
If we talking absolute peak and on a hot streak, Kobe is a better scorer than MJ because he shoots the 3 ball.

[iggy>]

Kobe - 25 ppg
Mj - 30 ppg

Kobe is the greatest scorer of all time. :roll:

Ish logic

[BlakFrankWhite]

If we talking absolute peak and on a hot streak, Kobe is a better scorer than MJ because he shoots the 3 ball.

:facepalm

So now 3-ball is the be-all,end all of scor....ah who am I even arguing with....you're prolly one of those dudes who'd support kobe if he were to demand a new 200 million 5 year deal.

[imdaman99]

Kobe was a pleasure to watch when he was hot. No one currently in the NBA could score in as many ways as he could. He could hit the 3, he could post up, he could break ankles, he could dunk it on people, he could midrange you to death. Maybe Durant could, hell he scored 30 points in a half against "the #1 ranked defense" earlier this year. But Kobe was something else.

[BigBoss]

:roll:

MJ won 10 scoring titles. Getting double,triple teamed every game....




http://s304.photobucket.com/user/nbacardDOTnet/media/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/Michael%20Jordan/VS/Detroit%20Pistons/Isiah%20Thomas/-mj.jpg.html

https://thebestten.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/jordanrules1.jpg

:roll:

Put Kobe on that Bulls team with a green light to chuck from day 1 and he would have averaged more then the myth of Michael Jordan

[ShawkFactory]

:roll:

Put Kobe on that Bulls team with a green light to chuck from day 1 and he would have averaged more then the myth of Michael Jordan
:lol

[iggy>]

:roll:

Put Kobe on that Bulls team with a green light to chuck from day 1 and he would have averaged more.
Yet he shot 50 percent for his career. Kobe can't even accomplish this in a single season.

[BlakFrankWhite]

:roll:

Put Kobe on that Bulls team with a green light to chuck from day 1 and he would have averaged more then the myth of Michael Jordan

LOL...so kobe never had 'green light to chuck'?

Have you ever watched him play?

[BigBoss]

LOL...so kobe never had 'green light to chuck'?

Have you ever watched him play?

I said green light to chuck since day 1. Kobe wasn't even in the rotation at times early in his career. Guess which player has given Shaq the most assists in his career? Kobe. Those assists could have been FGA for the GOAT.

[BigBoss]

Yet he shot 50 percent for his career. Kobe can't even accomplish this in a single season.

Kobe shoots 3 pointers and has never protected his field goal percentage end of quarters/shot clocks/etc.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Guess which player has given Shaq the most assists in his career? Kobe. Those assists could have been FGA for the GOAT.

Ok so now Kobe's the goat?

That's it I'm outta here....go back to sniffing I'm still ballin's dkic pics,you turd

[BigBoss]

Ok so now Kobe's the goat?

That's it I'm outta here....go back to sniffing I'm still ballin's dkic pics,you turd


Sniff pictures? You're weird.

[iggy>]

Kobe shoots 3 pointers and has never protected his field goal percentage end of quarters/shot clocks/etc.
So he has putrid shot selection and ultimately scores less, yet he's a better scorer than Mj. :roll:

[BigBoss]

So he has putrid shot selection and ultimately scores less, yet he's a better scorer than Mj. :roll:

You weren't old enough to watch MJ play. :roll:

Everyone knows Kobe is the greatest scorer of all-time. No one got hot like Kobe.

[Deuce Bigalow]

That was Godbe

65, 50, 60, 50

[iggy>]

You weren't old enough to watch MJ play. :roll:

Everyone knows Kobe is the greatest scorer of all-time. No one got hot like Kobe.
So now you're saying hes the greatest because hes streaky :roll: it just keeps getting worse for you.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Remember when BigBoss made a good post?


Neither do I

[BigBoss]

Remember when BigBoss made a good post?


Neither do I

At least I don't pay for sex.

[BigBoss]

So now you're saying hes the greatest because hes streaky :roll: it just keeps getting worse for you.

Whatever makes you feel better :roll:

[J Shuttlesworth]

At least I don't pay for sex.
That makes two of us

[KungFuJoe]

BigBoss getting rekt like Sasha Grey at the office.

[bballnoob1192]

damn kinda sad with all these "remember when Kobe" threads. truly the end of an era. One of the greats.

[J Shuttlesworth]

damn kinda sad with all these "remember when Kobe" threads. truly the end of an era. One of the greats.
Remember when Kobe shot 47% or higher for a season?

[AirFederer]

No, sorry :cheers:

[Paul George 24]

Kobe shoots 3 pointers and has never protected his field goal percentage end of quarters/shot clocks/etc.
KOBE HAS THE WORST SHOTS SELLECTION IN NBA HISTORY,THAT'S WHY HE NEVER SHOTS OVER 50FG% EVEN PLAYS BESIDE SHAQ :hammerhead:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Ok, you Kobe stans are nearly as bad as LBJ stans.

[tmacattack33]

Whack FG percentage and efficiency all year. If you have the liberty to shoot 35 times per game, and you are a super-star scorer, eventually you'll get hot and have some big games.

Most super-star scorers would have and have done similar things (Iverson, MJ, Westbrook, etc) when given that liberty.

[sd3035]

Remember when Wilt dropped 50 for a season?

[Marchesk]

Remember when Wilt dropped 50 for a season?

And shot over 50%.

[LAZERUSS]

Remember when Wilt dropped 50 for a season?

But everyone was doing it back then.

[DaRkJaWs]

Wilt having as many 60 point games as all of the other players who have ever played in the NBA tells us as much as we need to know about who was the most dominant scorer of all time.

[3ball]

MJ is the only player EVER to drop back-to-back 50 point games in the playoffs.. you now, when it matters.. :bowdown:

"50 point games have occurred 33 times in playoff history by 20 different players. Only four players have scored 50 or more points on more than one occasion: Michael Jordan (8 times), Wilt Chamberlain (4 times), Allen Iverson (3 times) and Jerry West (twice)."

SOURCE: WIKIPEDIA.ORG


How many 50 point games does Kobe have in the playoffs?

[swagga]

Wilt having as many 60 point games as all of the other players who have ever played in the NBA tells us as much as we need to know about who was the most dominant scorer of all time.

in the regular season.

[swagga]

MJ is the only player EVER to drop back-to-back 50 point games in the playoffs.. you now, when it matters.. :bowdown:

"50 point games have occurred 33 times in playoff history by 20 different players. Only four players have scored 50 or more points on more than one occasion: Michael Jordan (8 times), Wilt Chamberlain (4 times), Allen Iverson (3 times) and Jerry West (twice)."

SOURCE: WIKIPEDIA.ORG


How many 50 point games does Kobe have in the playoffs?

i actually agree with 3ball :applause:

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe - 25 ppg
Mj - 30 ppg

Kobe is the greatest scorer of all time. :roll:

Ish logic


kobes career average as a starter is 28ppg though

and with the same shots per game as jordan they both average 30ppg for their careers since they both have a 1.3 points per shot

the true telling of a players scoring talent is measured in terms of consistancy/longevity/potential

consistency = kobe had more 30+ point games in his career than jordan

longevity = kobe had more points in his career than jordan

potential = kobe had more 60+/70+/80+ point games in his career than jordan


kobe had more points in 3 quarters ( 62 ) than jordan ever had through 4 quarters ( 61 )

kobes half time record ( 55 ) is only 6 less points than jordans record in DOUBLE the amount of time ( 61 )

kobe is the only player to outscore a team by himself

kobe has the modern day scoring record ( 81 )

kobe ( unlike jordan ) has major scoring records in the

- illegal defense era ( 9 straight 40 point games, 12 threes in one game, 40ppg for an entire month multiple times )

- zone defense era ( 81, 4 straight 50+, 62-61, 40ppg for an entire month multiple times )



and kobe can shoot a higher three point percentage than jordan ( a guy who took only wide open shots and less than half as many total attempts ) while himself shooting over 2-3 defenders with no spacing from unlimited distances


jordan might be the more efficient scorer that protects his fg%.... but kobe is the more talented and dangerous one

[24-Inch_Chrome]

3ball, please deal with Kenneth. For the first time ever I'm genuinely requesting a post from you.

[BigBoss]

BigBoss getting rekt like Sasha Grey at the office.

Don't bring your porn addiction into this thread

[CavaliersFTW]

Wilt averaged that for a whole season. F outta here that Kobe is the greatest scorer of all time :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

Wilt averaged that for a whole season. F outta here that Kobe is the greatest scorer of all time :oldlol:


kobe in the 60's would drop 100 once every month or so

[CavaliersFTW]

kobe in the 60's would drop 100 once every month or so
Yeah with all those 3 point shots he'd take right? :oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt averaged that for a whole season. F outta here that Kobe is the greatest scorer of all time :oldlol:

AND, had Chamberlain had the good fortune to have faced the Lakers in the post-season, in his prime, instead of repeatedly facing RUSSELL...and there is no doubt that he would have put up HUGE scoring and efficiency post-seasons.

[kennethgriffin]

all that really needs to be said is


jordans career high without overtime is 61 points


kobe shat that on a WCF champion in 3 quarters ... outscoring their entire team by himself ( and had 1 point to spare )

[Hey Yo]

I said green light to chuck since day 1. Kobe wasn't even in the rotation at times early in his career. Guess which player has given Shaq the most assists in his career? Kobe. Those assists could have been FGA for the GOAT.
He could have had the green light if he would have let the Nets draft him instead of taking the easy way and demanding to play for the Lakers.

[kennethgriffin]

Yeah with all those 3 point shots he'd take right? :oldlol:


i dont think kobe would take a single shot outside the paint


it would be a free drive to the hoop with one or 2 of his 20-30 manoeuvres


if kobe didnt care and just sat outside ( for no reason since theres no 3 point line ) then maybe he would miss a few uncontested shots every now and then


but i dont see anyone from the 60's being able to stop prime kobe from attacking


and kobes one of the all time best at drawing fouls inside

[CavaliersFTW]

Kobe in the 60's would likely be West rebounding numbers, Baylor passing/scoring numbers. Might even still throw up a couple 60 point games, and maybe even a 70 point game like Baylor did.

He'd still be an all-time great no doubt.

But he wouldn't score 100 points like Wilt particularly without that 3 point shot available he'd likely score less than the 81 he put up in this era.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-yhlETG9pkv4/VIUK8h9hF5I/AAAAAAAAFmc/Mdo3FublhFw/s640/nba-highest-scoring-games3OnlyWilt.jpghttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YdKQ-TUa1ZY/VIUK8doBNTI/AAAAAAAAFmU/9sdO5PgTCp8/s640/nba-highest-scoring-gamesminusWilt.jpg

Kobe's just like every other player who's been capable of scoring 60 points. An all-time great.

But nobody is touching Wilt, all players in the entire history of the NBA COMBINED have merely tied as many times as Wilt dropped 60. And their totals combined are less than Wilt's totals combined... literally, no one is close to Wilt when it comes to scoring.

[ShawkFactory]

kobes career average as a starter is 28ppg though

and with the same shots per game as jordan they both average 30ppg for their careers since they both have a 1.3 points per shot

the true telling of a players scoring talent is measured in terms of consistancy/longevity/potential

consistency = kobe had more 30+ point games in his career than jordan

longevity = kobe had more points in his career than jordan

potential = kobe had more 60+/70+/80+ point games in his career than jordan


kobe had more points in 3 quarters ( 62 ) than jordan ever had through 4 quarters ( 61 )

kobes half time record ( 55 ) is only 6 less points than jordans record in DOUBLE the amount of time ( 61 )

kobe is the only player to outscore a team by himself

kobe has the modern day scoring record ( 81 )

kobe ( unlike jordan ) has major scoring records in the

- illegal defense era ( 9 straight 40 point games, 12 threes in one game, 40ppg for an entire month multiple times )

- zone defense era ( 81, 4 straight 50+, 62-61, 40ppg for an entire month multiple times )



and kobe can shoot a higher three point percentage than jordan ( a guy who took only wide open shots and less than half as many total attempts ) while himself shooting over 2-3 defenders with no spacing from unlimited distances


jordan might be the more efficient scorer that protects his fg%.... but kobe is the more talented and dangerous one
Put them in a big situation. Playing against the top defense in the league. Who's more likely to get 40? Jordan and it's not close.

Based on that fact, how can Kobe be a better scorer?

Jordan also scored 40 points 9 games in a row in 86.

The bold is blatantly false.

Jordan has far more 30/40/50 point games. Kobe has one more 60 point game.

Overall thumbs down on your post.

[CavaliersFTW]

i dont think kobe would take a single shot outside the paint


it would be a free drive to the hoop with one or 2 of his 20-30 manoeuvres


if kobe didnt care and just sat outside ( for no reason since theres no 3 point line ) then maybe he would miss a few uncontested shots every now and then


but i dont see anyone from the 60's being able to stop prime kobe from attacking


and kobes one of the all time best at drawing fouls inside
Kobe's the size of Oscar Robertson minus about 15 pounds. He'd get pummeled mercilessly inside, he wouldn't be able to stay there.

He'd settle for contested jumpers, like he normally does.

Fouls were easier to draw in the 60's as a defensive player, not an offensive player. Charges were called back then, for merely bumping the defensive player with your chest. Different game.

[BigBoss]

He could have had the green light if he would have let the Nets draft him instead of taking the easy way and demanding to play for the Lakers.

MJ shouldn't have asked the Bulls owners for a spot on a minor league baseball team and he might have had more points then Kobe right now

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe in the 60's would likely be West rebounding numbers, Baylor passing/scoring numbers.

He'd still be an all-time great no doubt.

But he wouldn't score 100 points like Wilt particularly without that 3 point shot available he'd score less than the 81 he put up in this era that's for damn sure.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-yhlETG9pkv4/VIUK8h9hF5I/AAAAAAAAFmc/Mdo3FublhFw/s640/nba-highest-scoring-games3OnlyWilt.jpghttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YdKQ-TUa1ZY/VIUK8doBNTI/AAAAAAAAFmU/9sdO5PgTCp8/s640/nba-highest-scoring-gamesminusWilt.jpg

Kobe's just like every other player who's been capable of scoring 60 points. An all-time great.

But nobody is touching Wilt, all players in the entire history of the NBA COMBINED have merely tied as many times as Wilt dropped 60. And their totals combined are less than Wilt's totals combined... literally, no one is close to Wilt when it comes to scoring.


lol a guy averaging 6 rebounds in the 2000's would average 15+ rebounds in the 60's


look at elgin baylor

[aj1987]

Kobe would rape the league if he played in the '60's. Would probably average 50 PPG for his CAREER with his chuck first mentality.

Wilt stans posting his 50pt game and calling him the GOAT scorer. How many times did he do it in the PO's?

[CavaliersFTW]

lol a guy averaging 6 rebounds in the 2000's would average 15+ rebounds in the 60's


look at elgin baylor
His TRB% - the rate at which he grabbed available rebounds, is equivilent to about 11 rebounds a game today.

So, no.

[CavaliersFTW]

Kobe would rape the league if he played in the '60's. Would probably average 50 PPG for his CAREER with his chuck first mentality.

Wilt stans posting his 50pt game and calling him the GOAT scorer. How many times did he do it in the PO's?
How many times in the playoffs was he taking the amount of shots he took when he averaged 50?

Matchups and and roles changed throughout his career. He was still a dominant scorer in the playoffs, when that was his job.

45 points 27 rebounds in the Finals. I'm sorry, but when exactly did Kobe have a game like that in the Finals?

[kennethgriffin]

His TRB% - the rate at which he grabbed available rebounds, is equivilent to about 11 rebounds a game today.

So, no.

i'm not talking about just pace adjustments


there was allot more poor shooters back then too.

some power forwards back then were around the same height as kobe

less knowledge about positioning/boxing out

guys 6-5 averaging nearly 20 rebounds per game some years


kobe would easly average 14-15rpg

he's a very skilled rebounder for his height in todays game ( or atleast the 2000's pre injury )

[Hey Yo]

MJ shouldn't have asked the Bulls owners for a spot on a minor league baseball team and he might have had more points then Kobe right now
I couldn't care less who has more points, just saying Kobe could have had the green light to shoot from day one (which you were crying about he didn't) if he would have let the Nets draft him.

[BigBoss]

KOBE HAS THE WORST SHOTS SELLECTION IN NBA HISTORY,THAT'S WHY HE NEVER SHOTS OVER 50FG% EVEN PLAYS BESIDE SHAQ :hammerhead:

5 championships though lolz it hurts right?

[CavaliersFTW]

i'm not talking about just pace adjustments


there was allot more poor shooters back then too.

some power forwards back then were around the same height as kobe

less knowledge about positioning/boxing out

guys 6-5 averaging nearly 20 rebounds per game some years


kobe would easly average 14-15rpg

he's a very skilled rebounder for his height in todays game ( or atleast the 2000's pre injury )
Kobe plays against power forwards his own height in THIS era :oldlol:

More of them exist in this era than that era actually :lol

The guys that play that position, at that height are built like tanks compared to Kobe - in today's era and that era. Guys like Gus Johnson and Charles Barkley - they'd body Kobe, and outrebound him by two-fold sorry.

[aj1987]

How many times in the playoffs was he taking the amount of shots he took when he averaged 50?

Matchups and and roles changed throughout his career. He was still a dominant scorer in the playoffs, when that was his job.

45 points 27 rebounds in the Finals. I'm sorry, but when exactly did Kobe have a game like that in the Finals?
Adjusted for pace, he had a 65/25 game and 62/23 consecutively in '01.

I thought it was a know FACT by now that Wilt choked in the postseason and was a mental midget...

[riseagainst]

Adjusted for pace, he had a 65/25 game and 62/23 consecutively in '01.

I thought it was a know FACT by now that Wilt choked in the postseason and was a mental midget...

:lol
:roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

Adjusted for pace, he had a 65/25 game and 62/23 consecutively in '01.

I thought it was a know FACT by now that Wilt choked in the postseason and was a mental midget...
I thought it was a known FACT by now that Wilt died in body in 1999 but still lives in your head in spirit, completely free of rent.

[aj1987]

I thought it was a known FACT by now that Wilt died in body in 1999 but still lives in your head in spirit, completely free of rent.
Sure, if that make you feel better. Doesn't change the FACT that he's a choker and a mental midget.

[ShawkFactory]

Just did some number crunching here. If you remove 2nd 3peat Jordan, where he was clearly past his peak, he scored 40 or more in the playoffs 30 times in 111 games.

He had as many 40 point playoff games in 92 and 93 alone as Kobe did his entire career. That was in 41 games.

You Kobetards can have your 81 point game. Everyone else will take the guy who dominates mercilessly when it matters :lol

[CavaliersFTW]

Sure, if that make you feel better. Doesn't change the FACT that he's a choker and a mental midget.
aj haven't we had this discussion already? How you envy Wilt's success to the degree that you reject it from him as a means to escape the responsibility of your own failure to achieve similar success in your own life? People who hate the success of others are psychologically trying to rationalize why they've failed to achieve similar success by hunting for flaws. You are in so much denial you even declare your own life to be "perfect". Yeah buddy, you're perfect yet you hate some guy that gets called the GOAT that played basketball 40 years ago and died 15 years ago. But you're life is absolutely perfect you don't envy that man at all right? :oldlol:


As I said, deflecting from Wilt's failures to my personal life. :oldlol:


My life is literally perfect, BTW. I have a good job and a better family/friends. Can't complain.

Back to topic.

FACTS:
1. Wilt choked hard in the Postseason.
2. Dude couldn't win much with MULTIPLE HOF'ers
3. Shied away from scoring when the spotlight was on him, thus 'leading' his teams to L's.
Happy for you aj. However, if I may be so bold as to say I suspect something is missing. To attempt to hate on one of the most famous, influential, and greatest athletes in history. You wish to believe this larger than life professional basketball player that played 50 years ago with a resume as big as anyone's ever, that became rags to riches millionaire, that traveled the world as one of the most recognizable celebrities on the planet did/achieved nothing great?

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-PlTYC2VsfAQ/VRS3LGURkFI/AAAAAAAAF3M/oD9TH7SiWL0/s800/458570244.jpg

Your life is perfect, or so you say, yet you clearly envy that man to the degree that you reject his reality. You resent his fame, his achievements, his popularity. In your reality, they musn't be accepted as true. Why? Does part of you feel you deserve that same kind of fame, achievement, and popularity?

If you hate that man so much, maybe you should ask yourself, is your current job and your current friends enough to make you happy right now? It doesn't seem like it is.

Jesus Christ, are you his kid or something?

Keep telling yourself that the guy wasn't a choker and that I "envy" him and lack something in my life though. :oldlol:

EDIT: I never said that he didn't achieve anything great, you moron. I did say that he was a choker, that he couldn't handle the pressure, and that he's not as good as his stans make him out to be.
There's a funny saying, the higher the monkey climbs up a tree the more their ass is exposed. What it means though, is the greater success a person achieves, the greater they've exposed themselves to those who hate.

The primary reason people like you hate a person of success such as Wilt Chamberlain, is jealousy. You wish you achieved what he achieved.

The secondary reason people like you hate on successful people is that you do not wish to accept responsibility for not achieving that very same success you are so obviously jealous of. It's easier for you to point the finger at them, to try and cut them down, so as to take pressure off yourself for not achieving the same great success.

Pro tip, people who actually achieve success in life are not occupied with hating on the success of others.

[aj1987]

aj haven't we had this discussion already? How you envy Wilt's success to the degree that you reject it from him as a means to escape the responsibility of your own failure to achieve similar success in your own life? People who hate the success of others are psychologically trying to rationalize why they've failed to achieve similar success by hunting for flaws. You are in so much denial you even declare your own life to be "perfect". Yeah buddy, you're perfect yet you hate some guy that gets called the GOAT that played basketball 40 years ago and died 15 years ago. But you're life is absolutely perfect you don't envy that man at all right? :oldlol:
It actually feels like you're projecting your failures in life onto other. Is that the reason you spend hours a day trying to make the '60's look better than it really is? Stanning a guy who was a KNOWN choker and mental midget? Keep reaching though. :oldlol:

[Paul George 24]

5 championships though lolz it hurts right?
DUNCAN HAS 5 TOO :banana:

[3ball]

kobes career average is 28ppg as starter


Jordan's is 34 PPG, or about 25% higher, on much better efficiency.





longevity = kobe had more


True, but only because Jordan went to college and voluntarily retired mid-career.

Jordan still played 15 seasons and won 6 championships... That's 6/15 = 40% championship percentage, which is the highest of all time (other than Russell)... Jordan's six FMVP in 15 seasons DESTROYS Kobe's two in 19 seasons.





kobe had more 60+/70+/80+ point games in his career than jordan


Kobe's style equaled a 6'6" Iverson.. You'd never see Jordan break the offense as often as Kobe - i.e. MJ would never bring the ball upcourt and chuck a 3-pointer right away total chucker style - but that's the ONLY WAY Kobe had big scoring games..

Kobe's never had a big scoring game without breaking the offense frequently, whereas Jordan's big scoring games came within the offense - that's a pretty big difference.





- illegal defense era ( 9 straight 40 point games, 12 threes in one game, 40ppg for an entire month multiple times )


Indeed, MJ's performances were accomplished despite hand-checking, higher physicality, no-spacing, more difficult penetration, and legal paint-camping.





- zone defense era ( 81, 4 straight 50+, 62-61, 40ppg for an entire month multiple times )


Kobe's performances were accomplished versus perimeter floods/shading - these partial perimeter zones sacrifice paint defense and defend the court less equitably than paint-camping (i.e. strong-side floods leave the weakside a man down).. Kobe not only avoided the paint-camping and congested paints of previous eras, but his performances also benefited from spacing, no hand-checking, easier penetration and lower physicality.





and kobe can shoot a higher three point percentage than jordan


Kobe sucks at going to the hole compared to Jordan, so he is FORCED to shoot a bunch of contested 3-pointers that he shoots poorly on.

You just don't understand the massive degree to which Jordan was better at attacking the rim - despite the paint-camping ban and open paint of today's game, Kobe only averaged about 75 dunks per season in his prime, while the stats show MJ got twice that many each season (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=353826).

But regardless, Jordan's shooting form was easily superior to Kobe's and actually flawless, so the capacity was there to shoot like Steph Curry - and that's exactly what he DID anytime it was necessary, even on the biggest stage (http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Shrug_3259f019925f89d0b38af9a541eba934.gif)
.

[CavaliersFTW]

It actually feels like you're projecting your failures in life onto other. Is that the reason you spend hours a day trying to make the '60's look better than it really is? Stanning a guy who was a KNOWN choker and mental midget? Keep reaching though. :oldlol:
I put time and effort into researching and discussing positive things. If that's projecting, that's not a bad thing to project.

You declare negative things. Often without research. That says a lot about you. Think about it. Why would someone feel the need to act like how you act on the internet, have you ever looked at what you post and read it out loud? Think: "Why would I resort to acting like this, if my life is so perfect." You talk like a child. "Choker" "Mental Midget" - in reference to one of the greatest people to ever play basketball. Come on man. You in person, can't be this immature. If you are, than your life is most certainly not perfect.

[aj1987]

I put time and effort into researching and discussing positive things. If that's projecting, that's not a bad thing to project.

You declare negative things. Often without research. That says a lot about you. Think about it. Why would someone feel the need to act like how you act on the internet, have you ever looked at what you post and read it out loud? Think: "Why would I resort to acting like this, if my life is so perfect." You talk like a child. "Choker" "Mental Midget" - in reference to one of the greatest people to ever play basketball. Come on man. You in person, can't be this immature. If you are, than your life is most certainly not perfect.
Keep making excuses for the mental midget and choker.

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

He's probably one of the 10 greatest to ever play the game. Never denied that. He's definitely not the GOAT like some idiots claim. Still is a choker and a mental midget.

As I said, keep projecting your failures in life onto other, dude.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

kobes career average as a starter is 28ppg though

and with the same shots per game as jordan they both average 30ppg for their careers since they both have a 1.3 points per shot

the true telling of a players scoring talent is measured in terms of consistancy/longevity/potential

consistency = kobe had more 30+ point games in his career than jordan

longevity = kobe had more points in his career than jordan

potential = kobe had more 60+/70+/80+ point games in his career than jordan


kobe had more points in 3 quarters ( 62 ) than jordan ever had through 4 quarters ( 61 )

kobes half time record ( 55 ) is only 6 less points than jordans record in DOUBLE the amount of time ( 61 )

kobe is the only player to outscore a team by himself

kobe has the modern day scoring record ( 81 )

kobe ( unlike jordan ) has major scoring records in the

- illegal defense era ( 9 straight 40 point games, 12 threes in one game, 40ppg for an entire month multiple times )

- zone defense era ( 81, 4 straight 50+, 62-61, 40ppg for an entire month multiple times )



and kobe can shoot a higher three point percentage than jordan ( a guy who took only wide open shots and less than half as many total attempts ) while himself shooting over 2-3 defenders with no spacing from unlimited distances


jordan might be the more efficient scorer that protects his fg%.... but kobe is the more talented and dangerous one

That's because Kobe had a higher free throw rate....yet, his points per shot is still lower.... 1.316 compared to 1.294....and hes also scoring at a lower volume.

TS%

Jordan .569
Kobe .554

Pre-Wizards TS%

Jordan .580
Kobe .557 (ignoring the last several seasons to be fair)

In the playoffs

Jordan, 33.4 PPG, 1.33 points per shot, .567 TS%
Kobe, 25.6 PPG, 1.25 points per shot, .541 TS%

no, its not as close as you're purporting it to be.

[CavaliersFTW]

Keep making excuses for the mental midget and choker.

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

He's probably one of the 10 greatest to ever play the game. Never denied that. He's definitely not the GOAT like some idiots claim. Still is a choker and a mental midget.

As I said, keep projecting your failures in life onto other, dude.
A guy who's teams were making more playoff and Finals appearances late in his career when his role was as a defensive player taking less shots, scored less in the playoffs and Finals over a career average? Makes sense to me. Does it not to you?

You hate that Wilt is so good. He's easier to accept if you call him names and deny him the details, records, accolades, and context of how his GOAT tier career panned out.

And I am to believe you live a literally perfect life. Color me skeptical.

Also:

Bill Russell:

1957 NBA Finals:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1957_finals.html
49.2 FT% Reg season
50.8 FT% Playoffs
48.8 FT% Finals

1959 NBA Finals:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1959_finals.html
59.8 FT% Reg season
61.2 FT% Playoffs
44.8 FT% Finals

1961 Finals:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1961_finals.html
55.0 FT% Reg season
52.3 FT% Playoffs
44.9 FT% Finals

1964 Finals:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1964_finals.html
55.0 FT% Reg season
55.2 FT% Playoffs
48.0 FT% Finals

__________________________________________________ ___


Wilt Chamberlain:

1964 NBA Finals:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1964_finals.html
53.1 FT% Reg season
47.5 FT% Playoffs
41.5 FT% Finals

1967 NBA Finals:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1967_finals.html
44.1 FT% Reg season
38.8 FT% Playoffs
30.6 FT% Finals

1969 NBA Finals:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1969_finals.html
44.6 FT% Reg season
39.2 FT% Playoffs
37.5 FT% Finals

1970 NBA Finals:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1970_finals.html
44.6 FT% Reg season
40.6 FT% Playoffs
34.3 FT% Finals

1973 NBA Finals:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1973_finals.html
51.0 FT% Reg season
50.0 FT% Playoffs
36.8 FT% Finals

__________________________________________________ ___


Shaq:

2000 NBA Finals:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2000_finals.html
52.4 FT% Reg season
45.6 FT% Playoffs
38.7 FT% Finals

2004 NBA Finals:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2004_finals.html
49.0 FT% Reg season
42.9 FT% Playoffs
49.1 FT% Finals

2006 NBA Finals:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2006_finals.html
46.9 FT% Reg season
37.4 FT% Playoffs
29.2 FT% Finals

__________________________________________________ ___


Ben Wallace:

2004 NBA Finals:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2004_finals.html
49.0 FT% Reg season
42.7 FT% Playoffs
29.4 FT% Finals

2005 NBA Finals:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2005_finals.html
42.8 FT% Reg season
46.1 FT% Playoffs
42.9 FT% Finals

[3ball]

That's because Kobe had a higher free throw rate....yet, his points per shot is still lower.... 1.316 compared to 1.294....and hes also scoring at a lower volume.

Jordan, 33.4 PPG, 1.33 points per shot, .567 TS%
Kobe, 25.6 PPG, 1.25 points per shot, .541 TS%

no, its not as close as you're purporting it to be.


it's not close AT ALL when you consider that Kobe has taken like 2 full seasons more FT's than MJ.

also, 33.4 is FAR greater than 25.6... so none of this is close AT ALL... MJ blows Kobe away.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Kobe in the 60's would likely be West rebounding numbers, Baylor passing/scoring numbers. Might even still throw up a couple 60 point games, and maybe even a 70 point game like Baylor did.

He'd still be an all-time great no doubt.

But he wouldn't score 100 points like Wilt particularly without that 3 point shot available he'd likely score less than the 81 he put up in this era.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-yhlETG9pkv4/VIUK8h9hF5I/AAAAAAAAFmc/Mdo3FublhFw/s640/nba-highest-scoring-games3OnlyWilt.jpghttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YdKQ-TUa1ZY/VIUK8doBNTI/AAAAAAAAFmU/9sdO5PgTCp8/s640/nba-highest-scoring-gamesminusWilt.jpg

Kobe's just like every other player who's been capable of scoring 60 points. An all-time great.

But nobody is touching Wilt, all players in the entire history of the NBA COMBINED have merely tied as many times as Wilt dropped 60. And their totals combined are less than Wilt's totals combined... literally, no one is close to Wilt when it comes to scoring.


I'm not hating on Wilts 100, and I have the dipper ranked higher than Kobe on my all time list....but I have to disagree. I think Kobe could have potentially put up 80 in just about any era, maybe more, and that his 81 was more impressive than Wilts 100:
http://www.coachmarian.de/Spezials/kobe81vswilt100/Kobe81vsWilt100.htm

^hard to argue with

[CavaliersFTW]

I'm not hating on Wilts 100, and I have the dipper ranked higher than Kobe on my all time list....but I have to disagree. I think Kobe could have potentially put up 80 in just about any era, maybe more, and that his 81 was more impressive than Wilts 100:
http://www.coachmarian.de/Spezials/kobe81vswilt100/Kobe81vsWilt100.htm

^hard to argue with
Come on, so a Bryant fan who never saw Wilt's 100 point game comes along and declares a game where a player scored 19 less points and grabbed what, 20 less rebounds? Is "more impressive".

Like I haven't heard this jargon before.

Sorry but one could easily write up an essay why Wilt's 100 points is superior to Kobe's 81, - talking about how inside scoring requires more energy and contact, as you run end to end thus further distances, how Kobe's competition was absolute horse shit and played terrible defense vs Wilt's competition that went to extreme lengths to prevent the ball from getting into Wilt's hands etc etc. But you know why that kind of bullshit essay writing doesn't even need to be done and would look stupid if it was done? Because 100 points is 19 more points than 81 points.

It's always the scared dog that barks the loudest. Kobe fans are always writing up these nonsensical essays about why the world should view 81 as greater than 100 even though a 100 point 25 rebound game quite clearly trumps Kobe's 81 point and w/e other stats game historically. Wilt's 100 is still the highest scoring NBA game ever, it's a record. The next best, that 81, isn't close, and is not an NBA record, unless you count 2nd place as a record.

[3ball]

Most Career 40+ Point Games in Playoffs History

1. MJ = 38
2. West = 20
3. Baylor = 14
4. Wilt = 13
5. Shaq = 12
6. Hakeem = 11
7. Kobe = 10
Iverson = 10
9. Lebron = 9


Most Career 30+ Point Games in Playoffs History

1. MJ - 109
2. Kareem - 75
3. West -74
4. Kobe -65
5. Baylor - 60


50 Point Playoff Games

1. MJ - 8
2. Wilt - 4
3. West - 3
4. Iverson - 2
X. Kobe - 0


But carry on, keep getting your rocks off on the regular season fellas... :rolleyes:

[ShawkFactory]

Most Career 40+ Point Games in Playoffs History

1. MJ = 38
2. West = 20
3. Baylor = 14
4. Wilt = 13
5. Shaq = 12
6. Hakeem = 11
7. Kobe = 10
Iverson = 10
9. Lebron = 9


Most Career 30+ Point Games in Playoffs History

1. MJ - 109
2. Kareem - 75
3. West -74
4. Kobe -65
5. Baylor - 60


50 Point Playoff Games

1. MJ - 8
2. Wilt - 4
3. West - 3
4. Iverson - 2
X. Kobe - 0


But carry on, keep getting your rocks off on the regular season fellas... :rolleyes:
Kobe has scored 50 (exacty 50) in the playoffs once. Don't lie when you don't need to

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Come on, so a Bryant fan who never saw Wilt's 100 point game comes along and declares a game where a player scored 19 less points and grabbed what, 20 less rebounds? Is "more impressive".

Like I haven't heard this jargon before.

Sorry but one could easily write up an essay why Wilt's 100 points is superior to Kobe's 81, - talking about how inside scoring requires more energy and contact, as you run end to end thus further distances, how Kobe's competition was absolute horse shit and played terrible defense vs Wilt's competition that went to extreme lengths to prevent the ball from getting into Wilt's hands etc etc. But you know why that kind of bullshit essay writing doesn't even need to be done and would look stupid if it was done? Because 100 points is 19 more points than 81 points.

It's always the scared dog that barks the loudest. Kobe fans are always writing up these nonsensical essays about why the world should view 81 as greater than 100 even though a 100 point 25 rebound game quite clearly trumps Kobe's 81 point and w/e other stats game historically. Wilt's 100 is still the highest scoring NBA game ever, it's a record. The next best, that 81, isn't close, and is not an NBA record, unless you count 2nd place as a record.

I don't think the author is a Kobe fan.

I like many of your posts but here you're doing the same thing Wilt haters do -- you dismiss the article without even examining it.

17 less shots, 12 less fta's, 46% LESS POSSESSIONS....and 100 percentage points better in TS%

surely, surely you can't deny that one can make a solid case that Kobe's historic night was just as, if not more, impressive?


I mean, come on.......he had 3-4 DOZEN less possessions to work with. Let's be fair here.

Also, neither me nor the author are doubting the LEGITIMACY of Wilts record -- hes the rightful owner of the highest scoring game in NBA history. Just posing the question of which performance was more impressive. And like it or not, Kobes 81 has a case.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

The game was different. Of all the differences between Bryant's game and Chamberlain's, this one is perhaps the biggest. Chamberlain's game ended up 169-147, Bryant's 122-104. Obviously, there was a huge difference in the speed of play, and that meant Chamberlain had far more opportunities to score than Bryant did.

Chamberlain's game featured 233 field-goal attempts versus 164 for Bryant's, and 93 free-throw attempts to 60 for Bryant's. We have no data on turnovers and offensive rebounds for Chamberlain's game, but based on the numbers I just mentioned, we can estimate there were 46 percent more possessions in the Chamberlain game than in the Kobe game.

If that's the case, we need to inflate Kobe 's numbers by 46 percent to get an accurate idea of what it equates to in Chamberlain's era. The answer? An unbelievable 118 points. And if we add in six extra minutes for Bryant, we end up with the mind-boggling total of 135. By one player. In one game.

[3ball]

Kobe has scored 50 (exacty 50) in the playoffs once. Don't lie when you don't need to
I didn't realize Kobe had a 50-point playoff game... Good for him..

But the remaining information was accurate - I got it from here:

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?479028-Most-Career-40-Point-Games-in-Playoffs-History-and-30-Point-Games


Most Career 50+ Point Games in Playoffs History

1. MJ = 8
2. Wilt = 4
3. West = 3
4. Iverson = 2
X. Kobe = 1


Most Career 40+ Point Games in Playoffs History

1. MJ = 38
2. West = 20
3. Baylor = 14
4. Wilt = 13
5. Shaq = 12
6. Hakeem = 11
7. Kobe = 10
Iverson = 10
9. Lebron = 9


Most Career 30+ Point Games in Playoffs History

1. MJ - 109
2. Kareem - 75
3. West -74
4. Kobe -65
5. Baylor - 60

[aj1987]

A guy who's teams were making more playoff and Finals appearances late in his career when his role was as a defensive player taking less shots, scored less in the playoffs and Finals over a career average? Makes sense to me. Does it not to you?
West and Baylor.


You hate that Wilt is so good. He's easier to accept if you call him names and deny him the details, records, accolades, and context of how his GOAT tier career panned out.
When exactly did I say that he sucked? I might've trolled a couple of times saying that he'd be Javale in today's game, but I've never said he sucked in a serious post.


And I am to believe you live a literally perfect life. Color me skeptical.
True, my rottie has a nasty infection for which it's getting treaded. It's not perfect after all. :cry:


Also:

Shaq:

'00 RS - ....29.7 PPG 13.6 RPG
'00 PO - ....30.7 PPG 15.4 RPG
'00 Finals - 38.0 PPG 16.7 RPG

'04 RS - ....21.5 PPG 11.5 RPG
'04 PO - ....21.5 PPG 13.2 RPG
'04 Finals - 26.6 PPG 10.8 RPG

'06 RS - ....20.0 PPG 9.2 RPG
'06 PO - ....18.4 PPG 9.4 RPG
'06 Finals - 13.7 PPG 10.7 RPG

By '06 he was basically washed up, but he still put up prime Wilt Finals numbers.

[scm5]

I don't think the author is a Kobe fan.

I like many of your posts but here you're doing the same thing Wilt haters do -- you dismiss the article without even examining it.

17 less shots, 12 less fta's, 46% LESS POSSESSIONS....and 100 percentage points better in TS%

surely, surely you can't deny that one can make a solid case that Kobe's historic night was just as, if not more, impressive?


I mean, come on.......he had 3-4 DOZEN less possessions to work with. Let's be fair here.

Also, neither me nor the author are doubting the LEGITIMACY of Wilts record -- hes the rightful owner of the highest scoring game in NBA history. Just posing the question of which performance was more impressive. And like it or not, Kobes 81 has a case.

Put Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, Iverson, KD, Tmac (03') and give them as big a green light as Wilt had and against the level of players Wilt played against and they would score 100 on any night they felt the slightest bit on.

63 FGA and 32 FTA is ****ing ridiculous.

Let's just say they shoot below average FT% and make 25/32.

63 FGA to score 75 points against some janky ass talent.

[ShawkFactory]

Honest question, if you transported Shaq back to 1962 and told him that he could take 40 shots a game (and many more given than Wilt average 17 FTs a game as well), what would his numbers be? What about Olajuwon? DRob?

Now, they may not average quite 50 PPG. But I bet all 3 would be damn close.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Honest question, if you transported Shaq back to 1962 and told him that he could take 40 shots a game (and many more given than Wilt average 17 FTs a game as well), what would his numbers be? What about Olajuwon? DRob?

Now, they may not average quite 50 PPG. But I bet all 3 would be damn close.

Nice post.

Shaq would get a lot of offensive fouls called against him, A LOT. Even so I could see him averaging 40-50 for a season or two, just like Wilt did early in his career.

I can't rank him as high as Wilt, though. Inferior all-around player. Inferior rebounder, passer, and defender (just my opinion). But, as scoring forces they were very close.

[ShawkFactory]

Nice post.

Shaq would get a lot of offensive fouls called against him, A LOT. Even so I could see him averaging 40-50 for a season or two, just like Wilt did early in his career.

I can't rank him as high as Wilt, though. Inferior all-around player. Inferior rebounder, passer, and defender (just my opinion). But, as scoring forces they were very close.
What about Hakeem with his skill then?

If you told him to say fvck it and go out a shoot every time he touched the ball?! I don't see any way he doesn't score damn near 50 a game either. Plus, he's a better rebounder/defender than Shaq was.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

What about Hakeem with his skill then?

If you told him to say fvck it and go out a shoot every time he touched the ball?! I don't see any way he doesn't score damn near 50 a game either. Plus, he's a better rebounder/defender than Shaq was.


Yeah, Hakeem could put up huge scoring numbers then too, with all those possessions to work with

And let's not sleep on D-Rob. He had a couple inches on Hakeem, was amazing in transition for a big man and had a nice low post game/range and was very efficient. Plus he once averaged 30/game.

[DonDadda59]

:roll:

Put Kobe on that Bulls team with a green light to chuck from day 1 and he would have averaged more then the myth of Michael Jordan

Kobe from 1996-2001 (AKA playing in the 'illegal defense' era) only scored 50 points ONCE (He only scored over 40 9 times during that span). But as soon as handchecking is eliminated he's dropping 50 like it's nothing? Era specific player through and through :kobe:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe from 1996-2001 (AKA playing in the 'illegal defense' era) only scored 50 points ONCE (He only scored over 40 9 times during that span). But as soon as handchecking is eliminated he's dropping 50 like it's nothing? Era specific player through and through :kobe:

Kobe was 21 in 01..

How many 50 point games for Jordan by age 21?

Ill wait as you try to find a different direction to take your hate ITT since that comment was dumb as shit

[ImKobe]

Kobe is the 2nd best wing player all-time behind MJ.

Eat a dick.

[chazzy]

Kobe from 1996-2001 (AKA playing in the 'illegal defense' era) only scored 50 points ONCE (He only scored over 40 9 times during that span). But as soon as handchecking is eliminated he's dropping 50 like it's nothing? Era specific player through and through :kobe:
He's at it again! http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11104478&postcount=11

[ShawkFactory]

Kobe was 21 in 01..

How many 50 point games for Jordan by age 21?

Ill wait as you try to find a different direction to take your hate ITT since that comment was dumb as shit
He didn't have any. Scored 49 once. Also grabbed 15 boards and shot 62% in that game.

[DonDadda59]

Kobe was 21 in 01..

How many 50 point games for Jordan by age 21?

Ill wait as you try to find a different direction to take your hate ITT since that comment was dumb as shit

Oh stop it. Dude was supposedly '1B' to Shaq right? LeBron's 1B just had 2 50 point games this season at age 21.

By 2001, Kobe had been in the league 5 seasons. In those 5 seasons he was an all star 4 times, won 2 championships. Stop acting like he was some rookie learning the ropes.

And for the record, Kobe turned 22 in 2001. Jordan at 22 dropped 63 on GOAT team candidate '86 Celtics. He also had 7 40-point games in his rookie year alone, compared to 9 for Bean in 5 seasons under the same defensive rules.

[DonDadda59]

He's at it again! http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11104478&postcount=11

What did I say that wasn't true? Sorry, truth hurts bruh.

[Im Still Ballin]

Another day, another dondadda MJ slurp fest

Keep suckin' homie

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Kobe was 21 in 01..

How many 50 point games for Jordan by age 21?

Ill wait as you try to find a different direction to take your hate ITT since that comment was dumb as shit

Kobe was 22 for the 2000-2001 season, per basketball-reference. It was also his 5th year in the league.

Now, to answer your question under the accurate age limit: Jordan actually had a 50-point game during his age-22 season (2nd season), during the playoffs against the Celtics. He scored 63 points.

The following year, during his age 23 season, he had 8 50-point games.

[SaltyMeatballs]

Def the greatest scorer of all time.
No, but he's up there. Just not #1.

[DonDadda59]

Another day, another dondadda MJ slurp fest

Keep suckin' homie

You gonna make another illegal D thread today you fraud? Be sure to compare Kobe in that era vs his work in the 'advanced D' era. Should be comedy gold :applause:

[hiphopfan777]

Kobe is better. He scored 81 before

[ShawkFactory]

So basically what I'm gathering here is that Kobetards think Kobe is a better scorer based on 2 regular season games. Maybe 3 if you count the 12 threes game.

Meanwhile you have Jordan dropping 40 and 50 regularly against the top teams on the biggest stage.

Pretty clear which one is better...

[TheMarkMadsen]

Oh stop it. Dude was supposedly '1B' to Shaq right? LeBron's 1B just had 2 50 point games this season at age 21.

By 2001, Kobe had been in the league 5 seasons. In those 5 seasons he was an all star 4 times, won 2 championships. Stop acting like he was some rookie learning the ropes.

And for the record, Kobe turned 22 in 2001. Jordan at 22 dropped 63 on GOAT team candidate '86 Celtics. He also had 7 40-point games in his rookie year alone, compared to 9 for Bean in 5 seasons under the same defensive rules.

nobody claims Kobe was 1b until the 01 season, stop making shit up


He also had 7 40-point games in his rookie year alone, compared to 9 for Bean in 5 seasons under the same defensive rules.

How many of those games came when Jordan was 17,18,19 & 20?


Kobe had six 40+ point games in 01 at age 22

Jordan had seven 40+ point games combined in 85 & 86 at ages 21 & 22

and that's in the no defense 80's

[DonDadda59]

nobody claims Kobe was 1b until the 01 season, stop making shit up

I included that season, so what's the issue? :confusedshrug:

Last season that Bean played under the same defensive rules that Jordan did his whole Bulls career (not even taking into consideration the Jordan rules).



Kobe had six 40+ point games in 01 at age 22

Jordan had seven 40+ point games combined in 85 & 86 at ages 21 & 22

and that's in the no defense 80's

Congrats to Bean for having less 40 point games as a 5 year vet, a 4 time all star, and 2 time champion... than a rookie Jordan :applause:

As to the bold- What was the difference between defense in the 80s and the defense before illegal D was abolished following the 2001 season? I included all the seasons Bean played under illegal D rules :confusedshrug:

[TheMarkMadsen]

I included that season, so what's the issue? :confusedshrug:

Last season that Bean played under the same defensive rules that Jordan did his whole Bulls career (not even taking into consideration the Jordan rules).




Congrats to Bean for having less 40 point games as a 5 year vet, a 4 time all star, and 2 time champion... than a rookie Jordan :applause:

As to the bold- What was the difference between defense in the 80s and the defense before illegal D was abolished following the 2001 season? I included all the seasons Bean played under illegal D rules :confusedshrug:


Kobe at age 22 had the same amount of 40+ point games as Jordan, Jordan needed AN EXTRA 20 GAMES to get ONE more than Kobe.


and in the 01 season Kobe averaged 33 ppg on 50% through the WC playoffs, including b2b 40+ point games at age 22, so to act like he couldn't score at the same rate under the same defensive rules when his game is even more advanced years later is moronic, and straight trolling.. considering he was having an historic playoff run at 22 under those rules

but i'm sure you'll find a way to ignore this

[RoseCity07]

He's not a better scorer than Jordan. The fact that ends this debate is one guy shot 50 percent from the field while scoring more point per game. I Hate using the cliche line but it's not even close.

[DonDadda59]

Kobe at age 22 had the same amount of 40+ point games as Jordan, Jordan needed AN EXTRA 20 GAMES to get ONE more than Kobe.

Don't know why you keep harping on the season he broke his leg and only played a relative handful of games. Still dropped 49 and 63 on an ATG team and had Larry Bird calling him God.



and in the 01 season Kobe averaged 33 ppg on 50% through the WC playoffs, including b2b 40+ point games at age 22, so to act like he couldn't score at the same rate under the same defensive rules when his game is even more advanced years later is moronic, and straight trolling.. considering he was having an historic playoff run at 22 under those rules

but i'm sure you'll find a way to ignore this

Yeah, not a good idea to compare their playoff scoring exploits. Trust me on this one.

[Bless Mathews]

:roll:

MJ won 10 scoring titles. Getting double,triple teamed every game....




http://s304.photobucket.com/user/nbacardDOTnet/media/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/Michael%20Jordan/VS/Detroit%20Pistons/Isiah%20Thomas/-mj.jpg.html

https://thebestten.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/jordanrules1.jpg

SLAYED.

Kids these days.

Have no idea.

And no knowledge.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Don't know why you keep harping on the season he broke his leg and only played a relative handful of games. Still dropped 49 and 63 on an ATG team and had Larry Bird calling him God.




Yeah, not a good idea to compare their playoff scoring exploits. Trust me on this one.

i'm not comparing their playoff scoring you moron :biggums:

you're in this thread insinuating that Kobe wouldn't have had the same type of scoring outbreaks he did in his prime if he was playing under the pre 01 rules..

and your argument is dumb as shit considering a 22 year old Kobe torched the 2001 playoffs,

yet according to you we are supposed to believe that a 26-27 year old Kobe wouldn't have similar scoring outburst as he did in 06-07 playing under the pre 01 rules during the regular season

:lol

[upside24]

Kobe is my guy and all and my alltilme favorite to watch. but Jordan was an abolute god on offense. I say that knowing that guys like LeBron, Kobe, McGrady and Durant my have more range or a wider skillset offensively but Jordan was just on another level.

Not really related to the thread but injured Durant averaged 25.1 ppg on 51 FG%, %40 on threes and only 2.7 turns this season, albiet it's a very small 27 game sample size but still. God I pray for this chil.

[The Iron Sheik]

why can't people just enjoy basetball? why does everything have to turn into a pissing contest of who can suck which player's dick the most?

[upside24]

why can't people just enjoy basetball? why does everything have to turn into a pissing contest of who can suck which player's dick the most?
People derive personal fullfillment and esteem vicariously though athletes to the point of obsession. Theiy make false idols. Heard somewhere that is frowned on.

Obviously people are going to **** with them....hard.

[ImKobe]

He's not a better scorer than Jordan. The fact that ends this debate is one guy shot 50 percent from the field while scoring more point per game. I Hate using the cliche line but it's not even close.

"not even close"?

Their career TS% is 1,4% apart :oldlol:, that's a very small difference, and different eras.

Jordan was just a more athletic player, that got way more dunk opportunities in his physical prime, 2nd 3-peat Jordan is pretty damn identical to a 08-10 Kobe. Haters will make up shit to discredit the man, but in your hearts you know it's true.

[ImKobe]

SLAYED.

Kids these days.

Have no idea.

And no knowledge.

Oh, one pic

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bpF93eebL4s/Tzwq5PwtqLI/AAAAAAAAAVk/mGEJcYRCxT0/s1600/Kobe+Triple+Teamed.JPG

[DJ Leon Smith]

Oh, one pic

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bpF93eebL4s/Tzwq5PwtqLI/AAAAAAAAAVk/mGEJcYRCxT0/s1600/Kobe+Triple+Teamed.JPG

The potential game-winning shot he bricked?

[ImKobe]

The potential game-winning shot he bricked?

watch this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDwJPY-Nneg


http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/836654/kgif.gif

[swagga]

watch this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDwJPY-Nneg


http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/836654/kgif.gif

dude makes some good points in the video but he is such a stan :lol
direct quote: "if you could dunk in the 80s you were almost a legend" :roll:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Kobe shoots 3 pointers and has never protected his field goal percentage end of quarters/shot clocks/etc.

Jordan took more end of quarter/clock and bailout shots than anyone in history. So that doesn't mean anything.

[OldSchoolBBall]

I also love how Kobe fans neglect to mention that virtually ALL of Kobe's big scoring games in 2006 came against absolutely GARBAGE teams.

Average record of teams Kobe scored 40+ against in 2006: 40-42
Average record of teams who Kobe scored 50+ against in 2006: 39-43

:rolleyes:

[scm5]

He's not a better scorer than Jordan. The fact that ends this debate is one guy shot 50 percent from the field while scoring more point per game. I Hate using the cliche line but it's not even close.

This is such a bullshit gauge of how efficiently a player scores when used alone. Sure, the closer you are to 50%, they better looking your stats look.

Prime example: this year's James Harden. He's actually one of the most efficient volume scorers simply because of his TS%, but he's shooting below 45%. If you can't grasp that he still scores efficiently throughout the game, despite not even hitting at a 45% clip, I really don't know what to say to you.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Jordan > Kobe.

/thread, there is no legitimate debate on the subject.

[ImKobe]

I also love how Kobe fans neglect to mention that virtually ALL of Kobe's big scoring games in 2006 came against absolutely GARBAGE teams.

Average record of teams Kobe scored 40+ against in 2006: 40-42
Average record of teams who Kobe scored 50+ against in 2006: 39-43

:rolleyes:

Kobe outscored a FINALS team 62 - 61 through 3 quarters

Kobe dropped 52 on 73% shooting while being defended by prime AK47 against a 51-31 Utah Jazz that made the WCF

dropped 53 TWICE in one season against a 52-30 Rockets team with prime Shane Battier guarding him (53/10/8 in one of those games)

dropped 52/11/4 against a 51-31 Mavs team that was ranked 9th in DRTG in 08...

Kobe could score on any team.

[dubeta]

What are some notable Kobe scoring outburst when he was on 50+ win teams. You know, where he was on an actual good team and not blatantly statpadding on mediocre teams?

I remember his 62 in New York but that's about it.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Kobe outscored a FINALS team 62 - 61 through 3 quarters

Kobe dropped 52 on 73% shooting while being defended by prime AK47 against a 51-31 Utah Jazz that made the WCF

dropped 53 TWICE in one season against a 52-30 Rockets team with prime Shane Battier guarding him (53/10/8 in one of those games)

dropped 52/11/4 against a 51-31 Mavs team that was ranked 9th in DRTG in 08...

Kobe could score on any team.

Yet he did most of his damage against GARBAGE teams. Again:

Average record of teams Kobe scored 40+ against in 2006: 40-42
Average record of teams who Kobe scored 50+ against in 2006: 39-43

Way to pick out the few great games he had against good teams. :roll: :hammerhead: I also love how you cited a few games from 2007, unable to contest the fact that 2006 - his biggest scoring year - was largely against bottom-feeding teams. And some of the games you cited weren't even that great despite the point totals:

53 vs. Houston in 2007 on 17-38 FG/14-16 FT. Dude needed to use 46 possessions to get 53 points. Not that great.

53 vs. Houston in 2007 (again) on 19-44 FG/12-14 FT. This one was even worse - he used 51 possessions to get 53 points. Pretty poor, actually. We're supposed to be impressed by these games? :oldlol:

[HOoopCityJones]

Yet he did most of his damage against GARBAGE teams. Again:

Average record of teams Kobe scored 40+ against in 2006: 40-42
Average record of teams who Kobe scored 50+ against in 2006: 39-43

Way to pick out the few great games he had against good teams. :roll: :hammerhead: I also love how you cited a few games from 2007, unable to contest the fact that 2006 - his biggest scoring year - was largely against bottom-feeding teams. And some of the games you cited weren't even that great despite the point totals:

53 vs. Houston in 2007 on 17-38 FG/14-16 FT. Dude needed to use 46 possessions to get 53 points. Not that great.

53 vs. Houston in 2007 (again) on 19-44 FG/12-14 FT. This one was even worse - he used 51 possessions to get 53 points. Pretty poor, actually. We're supposed to be impressed by these games? :oldlol:


Like LBJ and Magic on the road to every Finals they've had.

[ImKobe]

Yet he did most of his damage against GARBAGE teams. Again:

Average record of teams Kobe scored 40+ against in 2006: 40-42
Average record of teams who Kobe scored 50+ against in 2006: 39-43

Way to pick out the few great games he had against good teams. :roll: :hammerhead:

"average" record is bullshit, because by your criteria, him having a great game against one of the worst teams penalizes him :facepalm

Either way, he had big games against good/great teams as well, obviously you're going to perform better more frequently against bad teams :rolleyes:

What is your point, that his scoring is overrated? How come other players from his era haven't had as many high scoring games?

He averaged 35 a game for a full NBA season, he averaged 30 a game for his 3 straight Finals runs from 08-10. I guess he can also perform against good teams.