Breaking News: World Powers come to terms with Iran

[dunksby]

Well it's on the font-page of all news agencies but here is a link:
[QUOTE]Iran and six world powers agreed to a framework for a final deal on Iran's controversial nuclear program, officials announced Thursday.

The understanding paves the way for the start of a final phase of talks that aims to reach a comprehensive agreement by the end of June. The agreement concludes weeks of intense negotiations and comes two days beyond the initial March 31 deadline for an outline deal.

"We have reached solutions on key parameters on a joint comprehensive plan of action," EU foreign affairs chief Federica Mogherini said at a joint press conference with Iran's Foreign Minister Javad Zarif in Lausanne, Switzerland.

Reading a statement on behalf of negotiators, Mogherini specified that Europe will end all nuclear-related economic and financial sanctions on Iran under the future deal. The United States will end similar sanctions upon verification of the agreement by the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Iran will retain only one enrichment facility, Natanz, while the Fordo fortified site will be converted into a scientific center, according to the statement.

[fiddy]

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=372299 :D

[dunksby]

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=372299 :D
:lol

[gts]

Well it's on the font-page of all news agencies but here is a link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/02/iran-nuclear-deal_n_6993060.html

God damn but Obama stays winning :eek:

long ways to go before it's a done deal but it's a step in the right direction...

now the hard negotiations begin

[GimmeThat]

long ways to go before it's a done deal but it's a step in the right direction...

now the hard negotiations begin

And what do you know about it.

[rezznor]

And what do you know about it.


still has to get past congress. anti obama coalition aren't gonna hand him an easy win.


still has to get past the hardliners in iran as well.

[DeuceWallaces]

long ways to go before it's a done deal but it's a step in the right direction...

now the hard negotiations begin

Sadly, the hard part should already be finished.

[GimmeThat]

still has to get past congress. anti obama coalition aren't gonna hand him an easy win.


still has to get past the hardliners in iran as well.

wrong thread apparently, as it stated world powers.

Which really just mean that the hardliners in Iran saw the ugliest parts of the world power.


The world has changed, for the worst that is.

[gts]

Sadly, the hard part should already be finished.
big project... vastly different ideals, perceptions, issues and needs... honestly surprised they got this far...

[Patrick Chewing]

Iran needs to release its POW's first.



And any deal with Kerry/Obama is a losing deal for us. Bowe Bergdahl anyone??

[KevinNYC]

still has to get past congress. anti obama coalition aren't gonna hand him an easy win.


still has to get past the hardliners in iran as well.
I don't think it needs to go to Congress, it's not a treaty. It's an agreement.
Here's the language they are using.

Parameters for a "Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action" regarding the Islamic Republic of Iran's Nuclear Program

It seems like that Congress wants to pass a law that gives them say in this agreement, but that could be vetoed by the President. For sanctions to be lifted.......which would be after it's been verified that Iran is complying that would require Congress, I believe, but that's a long way off.

If anyone knows the score or can make sense of this article, let me know.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/bob-corker-iran-bill-116629.html

[Godzuki]

funny thing is the right were against talking at all with Iran saying it was pointless, and were railing on Obama for doing it. if they really did work out a legit, no cheat agreement with zero loopholes, those mf'ers really need to be called the fukk out. thats what really pisses me off about the left is when they're right they never do enough i told u so~~ for ex. TARP, they haven't capitalized at all on being right and the right being so wrong.

[shlver]

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/IranDealParameters04022015.pdf

Full details of preliminary terms.

Reduction in centrifuge numbers is essentially meaningless since any weapons grade enrichment will be carried out in secret and the number of centrifuges agreed upon is enough for nuclear weapons capability. The key concession is accepting the additional protocol and Iran adhering to it. Iran agreed but stopped allowing inspections last time.

The catch is once economic sanctions are lifted, Iran will have an influx of money to put into enrichment which will obviously be carried out in secret, if Iran chooses to do so.

[Patrick Chewing]

funny thing is the right were against talking at all with Iran saying it was pointless, and were railing on Obama for doing it. if they really did work out a legit, no cheat agreement with zero loopholes, those mf'ers really need to be called the fukk out. thats what really pisses me off about the left is when they're right they never do enough i told u so~~ for ex. TARP, they haven't capitalized at all on being right and the right being so wrong.


The Left are Satan's spawn, wtf are you babbling about??

[ThePhantomCreep]

The Left are Satan's spawn, wtf are you babbling about??

Right-wing dipshits = first world version of ME extremists

Y'all are remarkably similar, and needless to say, that's not a compliment.

[dunksby]

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/IranDealParameters04022015.pdf

Full details of preliminary terms.

Reduction in centrifuge numbers is essentially meaningless since any weapons grade enrichment will be carried out in secret and the number of centrifuges agreed upon is enough for nuclear weapons capability. The key concession is accepting the additional protocol and Iran adhering to it. Iran agreed but stopped allowing inspections last time.

The catch is once economic sanctions are lifted, Iran will have an influx of money to put into enrichment which will obviously be carried out in secret, if Iran chooses to do so.
No, the deal they have reached covers a great range of actions to be taken in order to monitor Iranian nuclear activities, and Iranian government will have to cooperate fully at least for the next ten years if they want to keep away from crippling sanctions that drove them to the negotiating table. You think eighteen months of hard negotiations and efforts of six world powers to establish a framework for a deal to limit Iran's nuclear program is ultimately useless? What we have learned from that past fifteen years is that Iran can continue Uranium enrichment but they cannot hide it from the world.

[shlver]

No, the deal they have reached covers a great range of actions to be taken in order to monitor Iranian nuclear activities, and Iranian government will have to cooperate fully at least for the next ten years if they want to keep away from crippling sanctions that drove them to the negotiating table.
Yes that's why I said the key concession was the acceptance of the additional protocol which allows unannounced inspections. The number of centrifuges in operation agreed upon is enough for weapons grade enrichment. In fact, more centrifuges are needed for nuclear power generation because they need larger amounts of lower % enriched uranium. Iran has full capability to produce a nuclear weapon with the number of centrifuges and fuel they have. The parameters in the new terms agreed upon gives approx a year before enrichment to weapons grade is accomplished.

You think eighteen months of hard negotiations and efforts of six world powers to establish a framework for a deal to limit Iran's nuclear program is ultimately useless?
Where did I say it was useless? I said the removal of economic sanctions will be an immediate influx of money for Iran. How they choose to use it is obviously up to them and using it secretly for enrichment is a real possibility as they have shown they are not trustworthy.

What we have learned from that past fifteen years is that Iran can continue Uranium enrichment but they cannot hide it from the world.
Yes, they have the technical capability even with the reduction in centrifuge numbers and they doing it in secret is obviously a real concern.

[dunksby]

Yes that's why I said the key concession was the acceptance of the additional protocol which allows unannounced inspections. The number of centrifuges in operation agreed upon is enough for weapons grade enrichment. In fact, more centrifuges are needed for nuclear power generation because they need larger amounts of lower % enriched uranium. Iran has full capability to produce a nuclear weapon with the number of centrifuges and fuel they have. The parameters in the new terms agreed upon gives approx a year before enrichment to weapons grade is accomplished.

Where did I say it was useless? I said the removal of economic sanctions will be an immediate influx of money for Iran. How they choose to use it is obviously up to them and using it secretly for enrichment is a real possibility as they have shown they are not trustworthy.

Yes, they have the technical capability even with the reduction in centrifuge numbers and they doing it in secret is obviously a real concern.
Iran has volunteered to surprise visits from IAEA and monitoring of its Uranium and exportation of it after use in reactors. If the US government along with IAEA and a bunch of other great nations say it's a good deal I'm going to side with their opinion. On second thought, I can do even better, I'm going to go by what Mossad believes to be true and that Iran is far from building a nuclear bomb.

[shlver]

Iran has volunteered to surprise visits from IAEA and monitoring of its Uranium and exportation of it after use in reactors.
Yes... that's why i said the key concession was accepting additional protocol... like I posted... I know what Iran conceded(not volunteered, just about a week ago Iran's nuclear spokesman was calling snap inspections illegal!) because I read the document that I posted...

If the US government along with IAEA and a bunch of other great nations say it's a good deal I'm going to side with their opinion. On second thought, I can do even better, I'm going to go by what Mossad believes to be true and that Iran is far from building a nuclear bomb.

You're just being argumentative because you don't have the mental capacity to understand my posts. I never said anything in my posts about the deal being good or bad. All I have stated is reduction in centrifuges is insignificant and accepting additional protocol and unannounced inspections was the most important concession. My last point was stating the obvious influx of money Iran will receive when economic sanctions are lifted and the very possible use of those funds to secretly enrich uranium. Are we going to pretend Iran didn't stop allowing inspections and enrich uranium beyond civilian needs last time?

[dunksby]

Yes... that's why i said the key concession was accepting additional protocol... like I posted... I know what Iran conceded(not volunteered, just about a week ago Iran's nuclear spokesman was calling snap inspections illegal!) because I read the document that I posted...

You're just being argumentative because you don't have the mental capacity to understand my posts. I never said anything in my posts about the deal being good or bad. All I have stated is reduction in centrifuges is insignificant and accepting additional protocol and unannounced inspections was the most important concession. My last point was stating the obvious influx of money Iran will receive when economic sanctions are lifted and the very possible use of those funds to secretly enrich uranium. Are we going to pretend Iran didn't stop allowing inspections and enrich uranium beyond civilian needs last time?
Yea, your genius is surely missed on US government's negotiating panel, you sound like Netanyahu. You are just repeating stuff you hear in your head and mistaking it for reality. US government and other world powers plus IAEA and Mossad >>>>random basement dweller on the internet with an inflated ego.

Sanctions related to Iran's nuclear programmes would be suspended by the US, the United Nations and the European Union after the International Atomic Energy Agency confirmed Iran's compliance.

[bagelred]

Republicans searching for a nuclear weapon to launch at Iran as we speak....got to undermine Obama any way they can.

[Patrick Chewing]

Republicans searching for a nuclear weapon to launch at Iran as we speak....got to undermine Obama any way they can.


A nuclear Iran makes the Middle-East much less stable. They will back out of this deal one way or the other. Or break it in general.

I don't think a nuke will ever be used on Israel cause the devastation to other Muslims would be catastrophic, but it's the principle of caving into lunatics that bothers Republicans. How you sit at the table to negotiate while the supreme leader of said country shouts, "Death to America" is absurd to me.

[knickballer]

A nuclear Iran makes the Middle-East much less stable. They will back out of this deal one way or the other. Or break it in general.

I don't think a nuke will ever be used on Israel cause the devastation to other Muslims would be catastrophic, but it's the principle of caving into lunatics that bothers Republicans. How you sit at the table to negotiate while the supreme leader of said country shouts, "Death to America" is absurd to me.

Does Iran really? :rolleyes:

But I do know US is in bed with Saudi Arabi and turn a blind eye to them who finance global jihad and the radiclastion of Islam but yet we ignore that because they are our "allies". Saudi Arabia literally finance every jihadist group.

US very well knows this but the oil $$ is too damn strong for US to really care and instead they want to enter into random countries under the guise of fighting terrorism.

[LJJ]

Does Iran really? :rolleyes:


Reuters good enough for you?


"The negotiating team is firm, wise and calm," Emami-Kashani said, according to the Iranian Students' News Agency (ISNA). "The Supreme Leader supports these representatives," he added.

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani initiated the talks with the United States, Britain, France, China, Russia and Germany after winning power in 2013, dispatching his foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, to lead the negotiations.

"We really have to say congratulations and well done to the president and Mr. Zarif," Emami-Kashani said.

Emami-Kashani spoke from behind a podium emblazoned with a saying from the leader of Iran's revolution, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, which read: "We will put America beneath our feet."

[Dresta]

Does Iran really? :rolleyes:

But I do know US is in bed with Saudi Arabi and turn a blind eye to them who finance global jihad and the radiclastion of Islam but yet we ignore that because they are our "allies". Saudi Arabia literally finance every jihadist group.

US very well knows this but the oil $$ is too damn strong for US to really care and instead they want to enter into random countries under the guise of fighting terrorism.
Don't forget Turkey, a country that is in NATO and yet has been enabling IS (in resources and manpower) with barely a reprimand.

[shlver]

Yea, your genius is surely missed on US government's negotiating panel, you sound like Netanyahu. You are just repeating stuff you hear in your head and mistaking it for reality. US government and other world powers plus IAEA and Mossad >>>>random basement dweller on the internet with an inflated ego.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/feb/25/michael-morell/odd-reality-irans-centrifuges-enough-bomb-not-powe/

Morell told PunditFact he said 5,000 because that was lowest number he had heard was in play. The number of centrifuges in place today is a hair over 20,000, and a likely goal is to cut that to about 5,000. But Morell’s basic point struck us as just plain intriguing. We wanted to learn more about this idea that a nuclear power program would require many more centrifuges than you’d need for a bomb -- which by extension means that limiting centrifuge capacity is just one negotiating point out of many.

The consensus among the experts we reached is that Morell is on the money. Matthew Kroenig at Georgetown University told PunditFact the Morell is "is absolutely correct." Ditto for Daryl Kimball of the Arms Control Association and David Albright of the Institute for Science and International Security.

Matthew Bunn at Harvard agreed with his colleagues.

"People think surely you must need a bigger enrichment system to make 90 percent enriched material for bombs than to make 4-5 percent enriched material for power reactors," Bunn said. "But exactly the opposite is true."

Bunn said there are two reasons. First, you need tens of tons of material to fuel a power reactor for a year, but just tens of kilograms to make a bomb. According to the International Atomic Energy Agency, the threshold amount for a bomb is about 25 kilograms of the most highly enriched U-235.

And while yes, it’s harder to make 90 percent enriched uranium (bomb) than 4-5 percent enriched uranium (power), it’s not that much harder, Bunn said.
Again you can't comprehend my posts so you reach for ridiculous comparisons. It's the third post you've responded to without addressing any of my points.

[KevinNYC]

A nuclear Iran makes the Middle-East much less stable.
So Congratulations P6? :confusedshrug:


....but it's the principle of caving into lunatics that bothers Republicans. How you sit at the table to negotiate while the supreme leader of said country shouts, "Death to America" is absurd to me.
Does it really bother Republicans?
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The whole point of diplomacy that is sometimes you are negotiating with your enemy.

Conservatives freaked out about Reagan negotiating with Gorbachev. They actually formed something called the Anti-Appeasement Alliance.

Conservatives Fire Back at Reagan (http://articles.latimes.com/1987-12-04/news/mn-17906_1_ronald-reagan)


December 04, 1987|


WASHINGTON — Hard-line anti-Soviet conservatives, one of them denouncing President Reagan as "a useful idiot for Soviet propaganda," formed a new group today to oppose the arms treaty that Reagan plans to sign during next week's summit meeting.

The Anti-Appeasement Alliance issued a statement saying: "We will seek to implement the defense and foreign policy platform on which Ronald Reagan ran for President and was twice elected.

"The President may have abandoned his earlier positions, but we have not."

[dunksby]

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/feb/25/michael-morell/odd-reality-irans-centrifuges-enough-bomb-not-powe/


Your point is stupid dumbass, Iran won't get anything and will be sanctioned to stone age and turn up like North Korea if they decide to enrich Uranium for bomb purposes. You think IAEA experts don't know basic shit that you flaunt around as your retarded point?

Again you can't comprehend my posts so you reach for ridiculous comparisons. It's the third post you've responded to without addressing any of my points.
Yes, I can't, forgive me for being unable to comprehend your complex post, you sure are wasted on ISH. It's your responsibility to the human race to let IAEA and the US government know about your delicate point against their compromise with Iran. Hurry and do it before they start writing the deal out.

[dunksby]

So Congratulations P6? :confusedshrug:


Does it really bother Republicans?


The whole point of diplomacy that is sometimes you are negotiating with your enemy.

Conservatives freaked out about Reagan negotiating with Gorbachev. They actually formed something called the Anti-Appeasement Alliance.

Conservatives Fire Back at Reagan (http://articles.latimes.com/1987-12-04/news/mn-17906_1_ronald-reagan)
This is a historic event IMO and those who doubt Obama and his foreign policy can't stand it, as he has been maybe the most successful US president when it comes to foreign policy.

[DeuceWallaces]

big project... vastly different ideals, perceptions, issues and needs... honestly surprised they got this far...

Exactly, this should have been the hard part.

[zoom17]

This is a historic event IMO and those who doubt Obama and his foreign policy can't stand it, as he has been maybe the most successful US president when it comes to foreign policy.

That's a very bold and dumb post.

[shlver]

Your point is stupid dumbass,
No it's not stupid. It highlights Iran's capability of possible weapons grade enrichment.

Iran won't get anything and will be sanctioned to stone age and turn up like North Korea if they decide to enrich Uranium for bomb purposes. You think IAEA experts don't know basic shit that you flaunt around as your retarded point?
What?????? I GOT THAT POINT FROM THE TERMS ITSELF. of course I know the IAEA experts know my point. The terms agreed upon on centrifuges is insignificant and I explained why it was insignificant. You have literally zero comprehension of anything I have said thus far.

Yes, I can't, forgive me for being unable to comprehend your complex post, you sure are wasted on ISH. It's your responsibility to the human race to let IAEA and the US government know about your delicate point against their compromise with Iran. Hurry and do it before they start writing the deal out.
????????????????

"Your point is retarded"

[dunksby]

Barack Obama's next job: Sell the Iran deal
The president vows to lead the charge on explaining the agreement to the American public.

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[CasterL]

I hate that cvnt Netunyahu and his warmongering republican thralls with a passion. This deal could be historic. Obama has so much lunacy to contend with I feel sorry for him. It would be embarrassing if this didn't take off in America. It would make America look so bitch whipped by Israel.

[LJJ]

You know what it is, if Israel can build nuclear weapons in the 60s and keep it secret for 25 years (and possibly indefinitely if it wasn't for that one guy), Iran can do it today. All they can't do is test their nuclear weapons, but they don't really need to.

If you ask me Iran has probably been stockpiling more than enough materials to create any kind of nuclear weapon they want over the past ten years, so now they come out and say "hey guys, we are ready for supervision of our nuclear program again.".

Those weapons are just in storage, only to be unveiled during a possible invasion as the ultimate "don't **** with us" deterrent. No need for scaremongering, Iran is a hell of a lot more stable and trustworthy than Pakistan is. So if you are going to be scared of a country starting a nuclear conflict, let it be Pakistan. And we already know they have nukes.

[Patrick Chewing]

This is a historic event IMO and those who doubt Obama and his foreign policy can't stand it, as he has been maybe the most successful US president when it comes to foreign policy.


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