Kobe 13' vs Harden 15'

[scm5]

Kobe 13':
27.3ppg on 46.3 FG% 32.4 3FG% 83.9 FT%, 5.6rpg, 6apg, 1.4spg, 3.7 TO/gm

Harden 15':
27.6ppg on 44.2 FG% 37.8 3FG% 86.6 FT%, 5.7rpg, 7apg, 1.9spg, 4 TO/gm

[SamuraiSWISH]

2013 Kobe. Better shooter, scorer, near equal as playmakers ... Harden's efficiency is padded by dumb ass TS%. And no drop off between the two defensively. Both don't play particularly great defense but at least when trying Kobe is elite on ball defender

[Nash]

the guy leading his team to wins

[T_L_P]

Harden.

[Ca$H]

Kobe 13':
27.3ppg on 46.3 FG% 32.4 3FG% 83.9 FT%, 5.6rpg, 6apg, 1.4spg, 3.7 TO/gm

Harden 15':
27.6ppg on 44.2 FG% 37.8 3FG% 86.6 FT%, 5.7rpg, 7apg, 1.9spg, 4 TO/gm

:biggums:

Damn. MDA is horrible. He basically had 2015 Harden(2013 Kobe) and Dwight with the addition of Gasol and he didn't come close to the Rockets record.

[Doctor K]

2013 Kobe. Better shooter, scorer, near equal as playmakers ... Harden's efficiency is padded by dumb ass TS%. And no drop off between the two defensively. Both don't play particularly great defense but at least when trying Kobe is elite on ball defender
Kobe is a better scorer but they are nearly equal as playmakers? :biggums:
I could say Harden is a better playmaker and they are nearly equal as scorers. In fact, the difference is greater in their playmaking than the difference in their scoring. But you just had to say they are nearly equal in playmaking but Kobe a better scorer. #KobeAgenda

[Doctor K]

Kobe 13':
27.3ppg on 46.3 FG% 32.4 3FG% 83.9 FT%, 5.6rpg, 6apg, 1.4spg, 3.7 TO/gm

Harden 15':
27.6ppg on 44.2 FG% 37.8 3FG% 86.6 FT%, 5.7rpg, 7apg, 1.9spg, 4 TO/gm

The big difference here is wins. Harden is leading his team to way more wins with a WORSE starcast than what Kobe had in 2013.



15 Harden >>>>>>>>> 13 Kobe

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

2013 Kobe. Better shooter, scorer, near equal as playmakers ... Harden's efficiency is padded by dumb ass TS%. And no drop off between the two defensively. Both don't play particularly great defense but at least when trying Kobe is elite on ball defender
:biggums:

At least give Harden SOME credit for drawing fouls at a historic rate.

Say you don't, though....his EFG% is still higher, .513% to .504.

[scm5]

The big difference here is wins. Harden is leading his team to way more wins with a WORSE starcast than what Kobe had in 2013.



15 Harden >>>>>>>>> 13 Kobe

Coaching plays a huuuuuge factor in how your team performs.

MDA had Pau averaging 13.7ppg on 46% shooting and 8.6 rpg when Pau now, two years older is putting up 18.5ppg on 49.5% shooting and 11.8rpg.

Why? Cuz MDA had Pau playing the high post rather than the low post.

The Rockets currently havd 8 players averaging 10ppg or more, the Lakers had 5.

The Rockets have Ariza, Beverley, Smith, and Brewer who are all really good defenders.

The Lakers had a run down Artest.

On paper, the Lakers looked like they were stacked. In practice, they were misused and not put together well.

[Showtime2001]

2013 Kobe.

[gilalizard]

If you're going to abbreviate a year, it's done by putting the apostrophe in front of the numbers.

This has been you're friendly, neighborhood grammar lesson of the day.

[RightTwoCensor]

The one whose the 2nd seed in the West without an All Star.

[Magic 32]

Kobe is a better scorer but they are nearly equal as playmakers? :biggums:
I could say Harden is a better playmaker and they are nearly equal as scorers. In fact, the difference is greater in their playmaking than the difference in their scoring.

Not compared to the second hand of Kobe's 12-13 season. In fact Kobe was a better playmaker during that time than at any other point of his non-triangle career.

http://s15.postimg.org/6kl4vl1fv/sgfdh.png

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

If you're going to abbreviate a year, it's done by putting the apostrophe in front of the numbers.

This has been you're friendly, neighborhood grammar lesson of the day.

I don't want to be cheeky, but I couldn't resist. :lol

[Magic 32]

I don't want to be cheeky, but I couldn't resist. :lol

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2906986/kg-2000-dunk-contest-reaction-o.gif

[gilalizard]

I don't want to be cheeky, but I couldn't resist. :lol

****!

lol I do that all the time:facepalm

I know the difference but it's like a genetic defect or something. I can't help myself.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

****!

lol I do that all the time:facepalm

I know the difference but it's like a genetic defect or something. I can't help myself.
Ya its cool, sometimes when I'm on autopilot I make the dumbest grammatical errors myself.

[bballnoob1192]

****!

lol I do that all the time:facepalm

I know the difference but it's like a genetic defect or something. I can't help myself.
like low IQ?

[ImKobe]

FYI, Gasol, Howard and rest of the roster were injured for most of the year, Kobe did like 80% of the work post-asg to lead them to like a 70% winning pace for the rest of the year...

[warriorfan]

Kobe > Harden

[Smook A.]

James Harden has a little more of the edge because he's winning a greater amount of games. I understand the 2013 Lakers team was a mess. Dwight wasn't fully healthy, but he was still averaging 17/12. Pau missed 33 games that year, and Nash was out for almost the entire season. It was basically just Dwight and Kobe trying to run the show. The Rockets have 51 wins right now with only 7 games left to be played. Impressive considering the amount of injuries the team has put up with. Harden lead the way, putting up monster numbers that ended up translating to wins. Of course he had plenty of help from that awesome cast, but in the end the Rockets wouldn't be where they are right now if Harden hadn't played that well.

Comparing 2013 Kobe's stats, and Harden 2015 stats, they're almost identical. Harden has the little edge in scoring, steals, assists, and rebounds. Kobe was averaging less turnovers, and shooting at a better percentage. Personally, I like looking at TS% more than FG%. If we go by that, Harden's is 60% and Kobe's is 57%. Now onto the defensive side. Obviously Kobe wasn't an elite defender at that point of his career. He was still good, but not great. I remember watching a good amount of Lakers games that 12-13 season, and Kobe would sometimes just be flat-out lazy... a lot like Harden throughout his entire 2013-14 season. Other times, Kobe would actually try. He'd look really good when he gave it his all. I've watched Harden in almost every Rockets game this year. He's definitely improved, but there are times where he still gets beat by his defender. Certainly not as much as last season though. Kobe was the better defender, if we're gonna compare the two guys.

Final Choice: James Harden. He's winning more games, and producing slightly better stats while having a better TS%.

[ImKobe]

James Harden has a little more of the edge because he's winning a greater amount of games. I understand the 2013 Lakers team was a mess, and many of the guys got injured but winning only 45 games with that cast is kind of inexcusable. Dwight wasn't fully healthy, but he was still averaging 17/12. Pau missed 33 games that year, and Nash was out for almost the entire season. It was basically just Dwight and Kobe trying to run the show. The Rockets have 51 wins right now with only 7 games left to be played. Impressive considering the amount of injuries the team has put up with. Harden lead the way, putting up monster numbers that ended up translating to wins. Of course he had plenty of help from that awesome cast, but in the end the Rockets wouldn't be where they are right now if Harden hadn't played that well.

Comparing 2013 Kobe's stats, and Harden 2015 stats, they're almost identical. Harden has the little edge in scoring, steals, assists, and rebounds. Kobe was averaging less turnovers, and shooting at a better percentage. Personally, I like looking at TS% more than FG%. If we go by that, Harden's is 60% and Kobe's is 57%. Now onto the defensive side. Obviously Kobe wasn't an elite defender at that point of his career. He was still good, but not great. I remember watching a good amount of Lakers games that 12-13 season, and Kobe would sometimes just be flat-out lazy... a lot like Harden throughout his entire 2013-14 season. Other times, Kobe would actually try. He'd look really good when he gave it his all. I've watched Harden in almost every Rockets game this year. He's definitely improved, but there are times where he still gets beat by his defender. Certainly not as much as last season though. Kobe was the better defender, if we're gonna compare the two guys.

Final Choice: James Harden. He's winning more games, and producing slightly better stats while having a better TS%.

Of course you would be on Harden's side, you're a Houston Rockets fan. I see nothing wrong with that, personally, and Kobe in 2013 was carrying the same amount of load, but his team just wasn't that good, so Harden obviously gets the edge here, as he should :confusedshrug:

But I think Harden will end up as the 3rd/4th best SG all-time.

[ShawkFactory]

Of course you would be on Harden's side, you're a Houston Rockets fan. I see nothing wrong with that, personally, and Kobe in 2013 was carrying the same amount of load, but his team just wasn't that good, so Harden obviously gets the edge here, as he should :confusedshrug:

But I think Harden will end up as the 3rd/4th best SG all-time.
:crazysam:

[Smook A.]

Of course you would be on Harden's side, you're a Houston Rockets fan. I see nothing wrong with that, personally, and Kobe in 2013 was carrying the same amount of load, but his team just wasn't that good, so Harden obviously gets the edge here, as he should :confusedshrug:

But I think Harden will end up as the 3rd/4th best SG all-time.
I admit I'm a little biased about this discussion, but even as a Lakers fan you can't really deny that this season's Harden is right up there or even better than the 2012-13 Kobe.

@ the bolded: I would love for that happen. He just needs to wake his ass up in the playoffs and play with the fire Kobe did.

[scm5]

Of course you would be on Harden's side, you're a Houston Rockets fan. I see nothing wrong with that, personally, and Kobe in 2013 was carrying the same amount of load, but his team just wasn't that good, so Harden obviously gets the edge here, as he should :confusedshrug:

But I think Harden will end up as the 3rd/4th best SG all-time.

Harden has a long way to go.

Keep in mind:

MJ
Kobe
West
Wade
Drexler

[greatest-ever]

No disrespect to Kobe who had a very impressive season for a 34 year old, it's clearly harden.

[greatest-ever]

Of course you would be on Harden's side, you're a Houston Rockets fan. I see nothing wrong with that, personally, and Kobe in 2013 was carrying the same amount of load, but his team just wasn't that good, so Harden obviously gets the edge here, as he should :confusedshrug:

But I think Harden will end up as the 3rd/4th best SG all-time.
So what your saying is Harden will pass either Wade or both West and Wade?...West is an absolute no way, he's a top 15 player ever and Harden ending that high is simply a joke. As for Wade? Yeah i doubt that as well, Wade has 3 championships, was a great playoff performer in his prime and has a 2-way peak that Harden won't reach. Its not entirely out of reach but Harden's got a lot of playoff success to catch up to.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Kobe had Howard, Gasol, Nash, etc. Barely made the playoffs

Harden has the 2nd seed.

And don't give me the "Lakers had injuries" shit when Rockets have been crippled by injuries all year, and Howard has missed more games this year than he did with the Lakers

[ABfor3]

Kobe had Howard, Gasol, Nash, etc. Barely made the playoffs

Harden has the 2nd seed.

And don't give me the "Lakers had injuries" shit when Rockets have been crippled by injuries all year, and Howard has missed more games this year than he did with the Lakers
Thank you Jesus :applause: :applause:

[Showtime2001]

Kobe had Howard, Gasol, Nash, etc. Barely made the playoffs

Harden has the 2nd seed.

And don't give me the "Lakers had injuries" shit when Dwight Howard has been crippled with injuries all year, and Howard has missed more games this year than he did with the Lakers

Fixed.

They made the playoffs because Kobe carried them towards the end of the season while every key player was in and out of the line up.

[Magic 32]

Kobe had Howard, Gasol, Nash, etc. Barely made the playoffs

Harden has the 2nd seed.

And don't give me the "Lakers had injuries" shit when Rockets have been crippled by injuries all year, and Howard has missed more games this year than he did with the Lakers

Injuries?

Nash could barely play. Howard was 1/3 of himself until the last 2 month of the season. Pau was injured or doing emo faces on the bench.

And they had 3 coaches during the season and had zero quality role players.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Fixed.

They made the playoffs because Kobe carried them towards the end of the season while every key player was in and out of the line up.
Boy

It sounds a lot like James Harden this year, except his key players aren't as talented as what Kobe had.

Except harden isn't barely making the playoffs. He has the 2nd seed currently. There isn't any realistic argument you can make for Kobe.

Harden has had Dwight, Jones, Beverley, Montejunas and others in and out of the lineup, and those are his key players.

[funnystuff]

The fact that they have very similar stat lines is a huge knock on Kobe, considering the roster and wins. :oldlol:

[Showtime2001]

Boy

It sounds a lot like James Harden this year, except his key players aren't as talented as what Kobe had.

Except harden isn't barely making the playoffs. He has the 2nd seed currently. There isn't any realistic argument you can make for Kobe.

Harden has had Dwight, Jones, Beverley, Montejunas and others in and out of the lineup, and those are his key players.
:oldlol:

Yes a 39 year old Steve Nash that has back problems and can't stay on the court is so much more talented than Jones, Beverly, and Montejunas.

[J Shuttlesworth]

:oldlol:

Yes a 39 year old Steve Nash that has back problems and can't stay on the court is so much more talented than Jones, Beverly, and Montejunas.
Kobe had Dwight Howard for 76 games.
Opposed to Harden having Dwight for 35 games so far.

Having your 2nd best player the majority of the season > having him for about 40 games

[Lebron23]

Give me James Harden. His team is winning without Howard, and Patrick Beverley.

[Milbuck]

Kobe had Dwight Howard for 76 games.
Opposed to Harden having Dwight for 35 games so far.

Having your 2nd best player the majority of the season > having him for about 40 games
Dwight was a complete shell of himself in both seasons being discussed. He alone doesn't make or break these supporting casts. Who were the other crazy talented players Kobe played with? Nash was 38 years old and dealing with constant injuries. Gasol straight up had no place under D'Antoni's coaching, and was a pouty diva the whole year because of it and also because of the constant trade rumors..had the worst year of his career, rookie year included. Metta tore his meniscus mid-season. And the rest of that Lakers squad was filled with guys like Earl Clark, Steve Blake, 36 year old Jamison, Jodie Meeks, Chris Duhon, Darius Morris, etc.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Dwight was a complete shell of himself in both seasons being discussed. He alone doesn't make or break these supporting casts. Who were the other crazy talented players Kobe played with? Nash was 38 years old and dealing with constant injuries. Gasol straight up had no place under D'Antoni's coaching, and was a pouty diva the whole year because of it and also because of the constant trade rumors..had the worst year of his career, rookie year included. Metta tore his meniscus mid-season. And the rest of that Lakers squad was filled with guys like Earl Clark, Steve Blake, 36 year old Jamison, Jodie Meeks, Chris Duhon, Darius Morris, etc.
Meh, I would attempt to discuss this with you, but you always try to prop up Harden's help as if he's got the best supporting cast in the league.

If Harden was only getting the 6th or 7th seed, I could give Mamba the edge, but 2nd seed in this West?

[J Shuttlesworth]

And for what it's worth
Lakers Dwight: 17/12 57.8% FG 76 Games
2015 Dwight: 16/10.6 58% FG 35 games (will end with 40 games or so)

Dwight was clearly the 2nd best player on both teams, and Kobe definitely had a better version of him than Harden did

[Showtime2001]

Kobe had Dwight Howard for 76 games.
Opposed to Harden having Dwight for 35 games so far.

Having your 2nd best player the majority of the season > having him for about 40 games
If you put Harden on the 12-13 Lakers it would have been the same result the roster was depleted with injuries and coaching changes it was a mess and D'Antoni's offense frustrated both Howard and Gasol.

[Milbuck]

Meh, I would attempt to discuss this with you, but you always try to prop up Harden's help as if he's got the best supporting cast in the league.

If Harden was only getting the 6th or 7th seed, I could give Mamba the edge, but 2nd seed in this West?
No I don't, aside from the occasional obvious troll post I've never seriously called it the best supporting cast in the league, all I've seriously done is explain why it's nowhere near as terrible as people make it out to be.

That Lakers team was filled with a bunch of fading, hurt, or old names that didn't fit together in the first place and had no coaching to even give it a chance. This Rockets team gets crapped on for not having flashy names or reputations and having terrible coaching but it's filled with a bunch of players that can flat out play on both ends of the floor, it's built perfectly around Harden and the coaching has done a great job building that identity. Even with Dwight out. Hell, you have Rockets fans spouting that they're better without Dwight.

[J Shuttlesworth]

If you put Harden on the 12-13 Lakers it would have been the same result the roster was depleted with injuries and coaching changes it was a mess and D'Antoni's offense frustrated both Howard and Gasol.
Again, the Rockets this year have been depleted with injuries as well, perhaps to a worse extent.

Terrence Jones has played 26 games, Dwight 35, Beverley only 55 (done for season). His second best player is shooting under 40%

And they've gone under some big roster changes like Smith/Brewer.

The facts are that Harden took a team that many expected would miss the playoffs to currently a 2nd seed

Kobe almost missed the playoffs with a team that was expected to win it all

[Magic 32]

Kobe almost missed the playoffs with a team that was expected to win it all

Well I guess he must have played bad then.

Oh wait there is video of the games.

[J Shuttlesworth]

No I don't, aside from the occasional obvious troll post I've never seriously called it the best supporting cast in the league, all I've seriously done is explain why it's nowhere near as terrible as people make it out to be.

That Lakers team was filled with a bunch of fading, hurt, or old names that didn't fit together in the first place and had no coaching to even give it a chance. This Rockets team gets crapped on for not having flashy names or reputations and having terrible coaching but it's filled with a bunch of players that can flat out play on both ends of the floor, it's built perfectly around Harden and the coaching has done a great job building that identity. Even with Dwight out. Hell, you have Rockets fans spouting that they're better without Dwight.
I think we can agree that both rosters have had their share of injuries right? Whether or not the Lakers had a good fit, we're still talking about 2nd seed in a slightly better conference vs. 7th seed. If Harden had the 6th or 7th seed, I could give Kobe the edge, but I just can't consider what Kobe did to be "overachieving". Harden is definitely overachieving

[Showtime2001]

Again, the Rockets this year have been depleted with injuries as well, perhaps to a worse extent.
No just no :facepalm


they've gone under some big roster changes like Smith/Brewer.
Smith & Brewer > Blake, Jamison, Morris, Clark, and Meeks.


facts are that Harden took a team that many expected would miss the playoffs to currently a 2nd seed
I don't ever recall anyone saying that the Rockets would miss the Playoffs even when Dwight was out.


Kobe almost missed the playoffs with a team that was expected to win it all

Kobe carried them to the playoffs because the team was depleted and remind me what happened in the playoffs when Kobe was out....

[Milbuck]

I think we can agree that both rosters have had their share of injuries right? Whether or not the Lakers had a good fit, we're still talking about 2nd seed in a slightly better conference vs. 7th seed. If Harden had the 6th or 7th seed, I could give Kobe the edge, but I just can't consider what Kobe did to be "overachieving". Harden is definitely overachieving
It's more than just injuries. The Rockets are flat out a much better constructed team. That matters.

Also there's literally 2.5 games separating them and the 6th seed and could easily slip with games against San Antonio (twice), OKC, NOLA, and a tricky Utah team. It's not like they're dominating the conference from the 2 spot a la Cleveland in the East.

[J Shuttlesworth]

No just no :facepalm

Again, the had Dwight for the majority of the season putting up 17/12, and Nash was putting up better numbers than Ariza


Smith & Brewer > Blake, Jamison, Morris, Clark, and Meeks
OK? Harden hasn't even had those guys all season.



I don't ever recall anyone saying that the Rockets would miss the Playoffs even when Dwight was out
Lots of ISHers were saying it, and nobody called them getting the 2nd seed, especially with Dwight getting injured.



Kobe carried them to the playoffs because the team was depleted and remind me what happened in the playoffs when Kobe was out....
They lost to the WCF champs? What's so bad about that?

Harden is carrying a depleted team to the 2nd seed. That's the difference.

[J Shuttlesworth]

It's more than just injuries. The Rockets are flat out a much better constructed team. That matters.

Also there's literally 2.5 games separating them and the 6th seed and could easily slip with games against San Antonio (twice), OKC, NOLA, and a tricky Utah team. It's not like they're dominating the conference from the 2 spot a la Cleveland in the East.
I fail to see how it matters that they could slip. If they do, we could reevaluate the situation, but the Rockets are currently winning and are 3 games ahead of the 4th seed with only a few games left. What I've seen so far has been more impressive than 2013 Kobe, in my honest opinion.

[Milbuck]

I fail to see how it matters that they could slip. If they do, we could reevaluate the situation, but the Rockets are currently winning and are 3 games ahead of the 4th seed with only a few games left. What I've seen so far has been more impressive than 2013 Kobe, in my honest opinion.
I'm not rejecting the opinion on an individual basis. But the argument of supporting casts, injuries, etc is revisionist history and clear underrating of the present Rockets cast imo.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I'm not rejecting the opinion on an individual basis. But the argument of supporting casts, injuries, etc is revisionist history and clear underrating of the present Rockets cast imo.
I'll admit that the Rockets cast is better than what the Lakers had. On pure talent? Not necessarily, but like you said, a better built team.

But I don't think the team being built better should negate the difference of 5 playoff seed spots, especially with the west being a bit deeper this year. I'm not saying it's not close, but there are a few factors that give Harden the edge for me.

[ImKobe]

I admit I'm a little biased about this discussion, but even as a Lakers fan you can't really deny that this season's Harden is right up there or even better than the 2012-13 Kobe.

@ the bolded: I would love for that happen. He just needs to wake his ass up in the playoffs and play with the fire Kobe did.

I think it's a little better yes. If he keeps producing at this level for most of his career, he'll easily be in that discussion.

[dubeta]

I'm not even a Harden fan but at least he's in the MVP conversation, Kobe that season wasnt even close.

Harden is doing more with a Dwight who missed half the season than Kobe did with Dwight, Gasol, Artest, and Nash.

Honestly i'm a huge Kobe fan but a few more seasons like this from Harden and he surpasses Kobe all time imo.

[ImKobe]

I'm not even a Harden fan but at least he's in the MVP conversation, Kobe that season wasnt even close.

Harden is doing more with a Dwight who missed half the season than Kobe did with Dwight, Gasol, Artest, and Nash.

Honestly i'm a huge Kobe fan but a few more seasons like this from Harden and he surpasses Kobe all time imo.

Kobe was top 5 in MVP voting, jackass.

[dubeta]

Kobe was top 5 in MVP voting, jackass.

I was a big fan of Kobe that season but I wouldnt put him there imo, especially when you factor in that people expected 60+ wins from the Lakers that season.

[ImKobe]

I was a big fan of Kobe that season but I wouldnt put him there imo, especially when you factor in that people expected 60+ wins from the Lakers that season.

they expected that not only from Kobe, but Steve Nash, Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol and MWP. Too bad that line-up only played together like a handful of games and Pau + Nash missed 30-40 games each and played hurt, Howard came back too early and cost us games, no bench, Mike no-D'Antoni...

Kobe still led a team from below .500 back into the Playoffs. It's hard to win more when Nash, the guy that's supposed to run the system, breaks his leg 2nd game into the season and barely contributes for the rest of the year. Team was starting D-leaguers. What Kobe did that year was impressive.

show me a better crunch time performance from that season

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2JE2L4vhNA

2nd to that might be Kobe leading the Lakers to a win down 25 in the 3rd quarter at New Orleans the previous game, b2b 40 pt 10 ast games :bowdown:

[BigNBAfan]

2013 kobe - Season#17
2015 Harden - Season#6

Do you see an issue here?

[Prime_Shaq]

http://redrockbasketball.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/james-harden-eurostep.jpg

[SwayDizzle]

they expected that not only from Kobe, but Steve Nash, Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol and MWP. Too bad that line-up only played together like a handful of games and Pau + Nash missed 30-40 games each and played hurt, Howard came back too early and cost us games, no bench, Mike no-D'Antoni...

Kobe still led a team from below .500 back into the Playoffs. It's hard to win more when Nash, the guy that's supposed to run the system, breaks his leg 2nd game into the season and barely contributes for the rest of the year. Team was starting D-leaguers. What Kobe did that year was impressive.

show me a better crunch time performance from that season

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2JE2L4vhNA

2nd to that might be Kobe leading the Lakers to a win down 25 in the 3rd quarter at New Orleans the previous game, b2b 40 pt 10 ast games :bowdown:
Godamn that was a beautiful game. I remember watching it live. One incredible shot after the next. I loved Nash's spirit (too bad we didn't have him healthy throughout the season).

[Quickening]

Harden has been good defensively this season, Kobe was complete trash that year... not comparable.

[ArbitraryWater]

Like Kobe would do shit with this Houston team... laughable.

Harden won more, with less help, in a stronger conference.

End of.

Better discussion would be 2013 Kobe vs 2013 Harden.

Harden: 26/5/6 44% FG 60% TS
Kobe: 27/6/6 46% FG 57% TS

PER: 23 each
Wins: 45 each
Games: 78 each
Position: SG each
Conference: WC both
Defense: Worst in the NBA both


Harden: 17 FGA
Kobe: 20 FGA

Points per shot:
Kobe: 1.34
Harden: 1.51

Harden with Kobe's 20.4 FGA: 31 PPG

[SugarHill]

Of course you would be on Harden's side, you're a Houston Rockets fan. I see nothing wrong with that, personally, and Kobe in 2013 was carrying the same amount of load, but his team just wasn't that good, so Harden obviously gets the edge here, as he should :confusedshrug:

But I think Harden will end up as the 3rd/4th best SG all-time.

That's much bigger praise than saying Harden right now is better than a post prime Kobe... :biggums:

[game3524]

Kobe

The numbers are misleading. Kobe was averaging 30-5-5 on 60%TS for the first couple of months of the year and the only reasons his numbers dip was because he became a facilitator in January.

[game3524]

And for what it's worth
Lakers Dwight: 17/12 57.8% FG 76 Games
2015 Dwight: 16/10.6 58% FG 35 games (will end with 40 games or so)

Dwight was clearly the 2nd best player on both teams, and Kobe definitely had a better version of him than Harden did

Are you ****ing serious?

Dwight was a shell of himself in 2013 due to the back injury. He was far closer to Orlando Dwight this past season then he was in LA.

[Real14]

2013 Kobe.
end thread.

[sd3035]

If you're going to abbreviate a year, it's done by putting the apostrophe in front of the numbers.

This has been you're friendly, neighborhood grammar lesson of the day.

:biggums:

[ImKobe]

That's much bigger praise than saying Harden right now is better than a post prime Kobe... :biggums:

Hey, he has a lot of NBA basketball ahead of him, and if he keeps putting up these numbers for many more years, he can get there. That's what I meant. He's on pace to be top 5 SG all-time with the way he's currently producing and winning games for his team, but he has to be able to show that in the Playoffs as well.