Are these Bron stans serious? or idiots

[andgar923]

F*ckin isolation everywhere in this short video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GhDhNqOS3o&spfreload=10&ab_channel=gearmast3r

I watched a few more and I noticed NOTHING but isolations 90% of the time!

There is wide open lanes in almost every one of the clips that I saw, and Bron taking too many dribbles (far too many) to do anything.

Again... ISOLATION after ISOLATIOn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuNqFD8IvyE&spfreload=10&ab_channel=BBALLBREAKDOWN

Notice that players CANNOT stay in the lane. Their feet can't even be inside the lane hardly at all, unless their man is directly close to them... what zone?

Another video showing almost ISOLATION 'exclusively'. In one clip he holds the ball for 7 seconds without attacking while his man plays 2 feet off him :facepalm :facepalm in almost all of these vids the lanes are clearly wide open and he can't take advantage of the 'zone'.

So... no isolation in this era right? here is another team, the lanes are WIDE ****IN OPEN!!! in almost every single frame shown. And clear isolation!!1

Are you guys f*ckin blind or just don't know basketball?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zJlzkUpjTo&spfreload=10&ab_channel=BBALLBREAKDOWN

I can literally sit here all day and dozens upon dozens of isolation examples and no sign of a true zone, with wide open lanes. it doesn't take long to even search for them since almost every play IS isolation and wide open lanes.

Too easy.

Happy Good F*ckin Friday

[andgar923]

*speechless* :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE5auU7uvwU&spfreload=10&ab_channel=NORMANDIE

[Giaodollo]

https://youtu.be/4GhDhNqOS3o?t=49s

Wouldn't have been legal in Jordan era resulting in an easy two for LeBron if Tim Duncan was not there.

[FLDFSU]

I'm sorry,

How does this prove that the Heat (now in danger of falling out of the "weak" East playoffs) are better off without James? Or that the Cavs (about to win 50+ games roughly matching their total wins the last 4 years prior) are worse with James?

[andgar923]

https://youtu.be/4GhDhNqOS3o?t=49s

Wouldn't have been legal in Jordan era resulting in an easy two for LeBron if Tim Duncan was not there.

http://i.minus.com/iHwd5KuplF3Ml.gif
:rolleyes:

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Chicago-Bulls-Michael-Jordan-Dunks-on-Atlanta-Hawks-Dikembe-Mutombo.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eef-1WO9FCI&ab_channel=joserivas1

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Giaodollo]

http://i.minus.com/iHwd5KuplF3Ml.gif
:rolleyes:

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Chicago-Bulls-Michael-Jordan-Dunks-on-Atlanta-Hawks-Dikembe-Mutombo.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eef-1WO9FCI&ab_channel=joserivas1

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Did you just bring up footage from an all star game to prove whatever your point is?

[Real14]

http://media.fyre.co/fuEzJm4NS8SzMeUgFniT_4sBuzKD.gif

[andgar923]

Did you just bring up footage from an all star game to prove whatever your point is?

That he'd dunk on Duncan going baseline.

At almost 40.

What's Bron's excuse for not dunking on Duncan while in his prime?

[Giaodollo]

That he'd dunk on Duncan going baseline.

At almost 40.

What's Bron's excuse for not dunking on Duncan while in his prime?

Are you daft? His excuse is it wasn't an all star game, but the NBA final, where Duncan actually gave a shit.

[andgar923]

Are you daft? His excuse is it wasn't an all star game, but the NBA final, where Duncan actually gave a shit.

Duncan wouldn't be able to do shit in either case, MJ would've dunked on him instead being a B*TCH about it.

https://i.imgflip.com/jparm.gif

[Giaodollo]

Duncan wouldn't be able to do shit in either case, MJ would've dunked on him instead being a B*TCH about it.

https://i.imgflip.com/jparm.gif

He came from the right side driving in, he had literally no chance to dunk the way Duncan was stationed. I have seen LeBron posterize centers a million times I still don't know what point you are trying to prove with your gifs.

[andgar923]

He came from the right side driving in, he had literally no chance to dunk the way Duncan was stationed. I have seen LeBron posterize centers a million times I still don't know what point you are trying to prove with your gifs.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[dunksby]

Basically all Jordan stans, like andgar and 3ball, argue is that Jordan is GOAT because he would dunk on everybody :lol

[gts]

Basically all Jordan stans, like andgar and 3ball, argue is that Jordan is GOAT because he would dunk on everybody :lolAndgar is a Bruce Blitz deciple.. Before blitz was run out of here he followed the guy around like a puppy :lol

[Fudge]

We already know that LeBron is not that great. Known fact.

[Im so nba'd out]

They are seriously idiots

[andgar923]

Basically all Jordan stans, like andgar and 3ball, argue is that Jordan is GOAT because he would dunk on everybody :lol

yeah... that's basically it :rolleyes:



Bron stans have been stating that MJ was only successful due to isolation, and that isolation is only a thing of the past, with modern day 'zone' defense making it hard for Bron.

Yet it has been proven repeatedly that it isn't the case at all. Both with video footage and concrete stats.

I just showed some very random videos that show how Bron isolates on almost every single possession, all while having an open lane for the vast vast majority of the time, wide open lanes.

Isolation has 'always' been part of the game. But to pretend that it doesn't exist today is idiotic and a lie. Bron benefits from isolation more than MJ ever did.... hold up, let me take that back. Bron isolates on many more possessions than MJ ever did, yet he doesn't capitalize on them as much as MJ did.

As the video footages show, Bron simply isn't explosive enough to capitalize on isos. He doesn't attack, he isn't as quick at reading and reacting to the defense. There was a clip that showed him isolating for 17 seconds!!! YES re-read that, he isolated for almost an entire possession.

While watching some of these clips it became even more obvious at Bron's overrated athleticism. He doesn't have elite balance and isn't as great of a finisher as people believe. He's an awkward jumper that has to gather himself at times and not as fluid in the air like Kobe, Wade, let alone MJ.

All of that is just for starters.

There are many reasons why MJ is better, and it isn't solely because he can dunk on people.

Although it is one of the many.

MJ is simply a better athlete, finisher, aggressive etc.etc.etc.

[Crimsonrain777]

F*ckin isolation everywhere in this short video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GhDhNqOS3o&spfreload=10&ab_channel=gearmast3r

I watched a few more and I noticed NOTHING but isolations 90% of the time!

There is wide open lanes in almost every one of the clips that I saw, and Bron taking too many dribbles (far too many) to do anything.

Again... ISOLATION after ISOLATIOn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuNqFD8IvyE&spfreload=10&ab_channel=BBALLBREAKDOWN

Notice that players CANNOT stay in the lane. Their feet can't even be inside the lane hardly at all, unless their man is directly close to them... what zone?

Another video showing almost ISOLATION 'exclusively'. In one clip he holds the ball for 7 seconds without attacking while his man plays 2 feet off him :facepalm :facepalm in almost all of these vids the lanes are clearly wide open and he can't take advantage of the 'zone'.

So... no isolation in this era right? here is another team, the lanes are WIDE ****IN OPEN!!! in almost every single frame shown. And clear isolation!!1

Are you guys f*ckin blind or just don't know basketball?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zJlzkUpjTo&spfreload=10&ab_channel=BBALLBREAKDOWN

I can literally sit here all day and dozens upon dozens of isolation examples and no sign of a true zone, with wide open lanes. it doesn't take long to even search for them since almost every play IS isolation and wide open lanes.

Too easy.

Happy Good F*ckin Friday

Theyre both

[andgar923]

mostly iso

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9ZIrLZjsW4&spfreload=10&ab_channel=NBAClutchTime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps3RgtlG7e0&spfreload=10&ab_channel=NBAClutchTime
And wide open lanes almost every single time.'

Many more to come.

[Giaodollo]

mostly iso

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9ZIrLZjsW4&spfreload=10&ab_channel=NBAClutchTime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps3RgtlG7e0&spfreload=10&ab_channel=NBAClutchTime
And wide open lanes almost every single time.'

Many more to come.

I am not sure you know what isolation is.

[swagga]

only an absolute retard would say "player X would dunk on duncan easily". Prime Shaq couldn't do that shit easily so I doubt a guard would be better at it.

but what am I talking about, mj the goat could drop step shaq, he'd just overpower duncan.

[swagga]

I am not sure you know what isolation is.

you have a better chance convincing this jordan stan that the sun revolves around the earth than what you are trying right now.

peace.

[TheMan]

He came from the right side driving in, he had literally no chance to dunk the way Duncan was stationed. I have seen LeBron posterize centers a million times I still don't know what point you are trying to prove with your gifs. :oldlol:

[k0kakw0rld]

We already know that LeBron is not that great. Known fact.
career avg of 27 7 7 :pimp:

[BigNBAfan]

you guys realize that this andgar guy is a lost cause right, i mean its the same guy that thinks apple is innovative.

Dude is a moron, let him think whatever he wants... his opinion doesnt matter because he's too dumb to even consider acknowledging conflicting arguments.

[imdaman99]

Kobes posterized Duncan so many times that they have a top 10 of Kobe dunks on Duncan :oldlol:

[swagga]

Kobes posterized Duncan so many times that they have a top 10 of Kobe dunks on Duncan :oldlol:

wonder on how many attempts.

[DonDadda59]

He came from the right side driving in, he had literally no chance to dunk the way Duncan was stationed. I have seen LeBron posterize centers a million times I still don't know what point you are trying to prove with your gifs.

:oldlol:

5 tops, maybe 6 in his whole career. Jordan had more dunks on 7 fters in a random week in '91 than Bron has in his whole career. He mainly sticks to banging on guys 6'3 and under.

[3ball]

Did you just bring up footage of 40-year old MJ dunking on Duncan in the 2003 all star game to prove whatever your point is?



It's wasn't just the all-star game:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7cd0f2d7213f3061b6bfd97470ceb708.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/35e143189259ba9efd81c628c18e0eb1.gif


But as you can see, Duncan was actually quite scared to jump with 35-year old MJ - he was only willing to contest when MJ was a 40-year old man, and of course, he got dunked on anyway.

Hakeem was similar to Duncan, in that he was also scared to contest MJ (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10931187&postcount=85).

[3ball]

but what am I talking about, mj the goat could drop step shaq, he'd just overpower duncan.



MJ didn't even need a drop-step to smash on Shaq:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_dunks_on_Shaq_7a78ff0a205611c2aaf2fcf2af13f 605.gif

[DonDadda59]

F*ckin isolation everywhere in this short video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GhDhNqOS3o&spfreload=10&ab_channel=gearmast3r

I watched a few more and I noticed NOTHING but isolations 90% of the time!

There is wide open lanes in almost every one of the clips that I saw, and Bron taking too many dribbles (far too many) to do anything.

Again... ISOLATION after ISOLATIOn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuNqFD8IvyE&spfreload=10&ab_channel=BBALLBREAKDOWN

Notice that players CANNOT stay in the lane. Their feet can't even be inside the lane hardly at all, unless their man is directly close to them... what zone?

Another video showing almost ISOLATION 'exclusively'. In one clip he holds the ball for 7 seconds without attacking while his man plays 2 feet off him :facepalm :facepalm in almost all of these vids the lanes are clearly wide open and he can't take advantage of the 'zone'.

So... no isolation in this era right? here is another team, the lanes are WIDE ****IN OPEN!!! in almost every single frame shown. And clear isolation!!1

Are you guys f*ckin blind or just don't know basketball?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zJlzkUpjTo&spfreload=10&ab_channel=BBALLBREAKDOWN

I can literally sit here all day and dozens upon dozens of isolation examples and no sign of a true zone, with wide open lanes. it doesn't take long to even search for them since almost every play IS isolation and wide open lanes.

Too easy.

Happy Good F*ckin Friday

Anyone who has watched him play knows that Lebron ball is just glorified isolation. I think it got a little more fluid offensively when he was sharing the offensive load with Whistle and RuPaul in Miami (until last season) and now with Kyrie and sometimes Love. But his first stint in Cleveland, the offense was literally Bron gets the ball at the top of the key, everyone clears out and he dribbles around until he decides to shoot, drive, or kick out for a teammate shot.

His off the ball skills are nonexistent. If he doesn't have the ball in his hands, he's not involved in the offense. He just stands aimlessly in the corner.

[swagga]

MJ didn't even need a drop-step to smash on Shaq:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_dunks_on_Shaq_7a78ff0a205611c2aaf2fcf2af13f 605.gif


your logic is impeccable as always :roll:

[sportjames23]

andgar droppin hammers and knowledge on Bron stans. :cheers:

[Replay32]

MJ didn't even need a drop-step to smash on Shaq:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_dunks_on_Shaq_7a78ff0a205611c2aaf2fcf2af13f 605.gif


:eek:

Wow!!!!

[TheMan]

:bowdown: GOAT gon' GOAT:bowdown:

[3ball]

your logic is impeccable as always :roll:



MJ didn't need a drop-step to dunk on David Robinson either - just the GOAT jump-stop and quickness off his feet.. :confusedshrug:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Hard_on_Robinson_f5b81b99e4f7c61e02dbac531e d53f11.gif... DR hits MJ in the mouth


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Dunks_on_Robinson_d52b5622ebe593178e00a4ab0 fba7b7e.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Dunks_on_Robinson_c233e16f2455c3b4435410086 f39ee7f.gif


Oh wait, that 2nd one was a drop-step... Anyway, run-ups are for softies and betas - Jordan didn't need space or a run-up to posterize GOAT defenders (Hakeem, Patrick Ewing (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10797340&postcount=60), Alonzo Mourning (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10937420&postcount=173), Robinson, Shaq, Duncan).

.

[DonDadda59]

It's wasn't just the all-star game:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7cd0f2d7213f3061b6bfd97470ceb708.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/35e143189259ba9efd81c628c18e0eb1.gif


But as you can see, Duncan was actually quite scared to jump with 35-year old MJ - he was only willing to contest when MJ was a 40-year old man, and of course, he got dunked on anyway.

Hakeem was similar to Duncan, in that he was also scared to contest MJ (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10931187&postcount=85).


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_dunks_on_Shaq_7a78ff0a205611c2aaf2fcf2af13f 605.gif

Notice MJ's off the ball movement to get in the perfect position to score and the short, explosive bursts he has to jam on legit imposing 7 fters. Also, pretty sure Jordan and Derrick Coleman are the only 2 players in Shaq's 19 year career who legitimately yammed on him.

[ImKobe]

wonder on how many attempts.

How many clips do we have of Duncan blocking a Kobe poster attempt? How many clips do we have on Kobe dunking on both Duncan and D-Rob?

[swagga]

How many clips do we have of Duncan blocking a Kobe poster attempt? How many clips do we have on Kobe dunking on both Duncan and D-Rob?

attempt means how many times did duncan affect
- kobe's shots into misses,
- kobe's decisions to drive/not drive
- kobe's decisions to get rid of the ball (pass)

[ImKobe]

attempt means how many times did duncan affect
- kobe's shots into misses,
- kobe's decisions to drive/not drive
- kobe's decisions to get rid of the ball (pass)

How bout you find that out and actually watch the games, and Kobe in his career never really had much trouble getting around Duncan in the paint. 08 WCF was just straight up domination, Kobe shot 53% and he was crossing over Manu and finishing over Duncan whenever he felt like it.

and 01 WCF, 33/7/7 on 51% shooting, it doesn't get any more one-sided than that.

[swagga]

How bout you find that out and actually watch the games, and Kobe in his career never really had much trouble getting around Duncan in the paint. 08 WCF was just straight up domination, Kobe shot 53% and he was crossing over Manu and finishing over Duncan whenever he felt like it.

and 01 WCF, 33/7/7 on 51% shooting, it doesn't get any more one-sided than that.

you can post better than this imo.
believe it or not I've been following kobe before he got to play in the nba, so yes, I know that series, and the series 1999, 2001, 2002 , 2003 or 2004 where depending on defensive assignments kobe had a tougher or easier life.

[Hey Yo]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1434644/john-starks-dunks-on-jordan-o.gif


Jordan spoke passionately. If teams were able to play zone defenses, he said, he never would have had the career he did.

[AirFederer]

MJ gonna MJ. No one gonna touch him. :cheers:
LeBron, great great player, uses todays spacing to the max. Needs a screen or his off arm to get by people.

[ImKobe]

you can post better than this imo.
believe it or not I've been following kobe before he got to play in the nba, so yes, I know that series, and the series 1999, 2001, 2002 , 2003 or 2004 where depending on defensive assignments kobe had a tougher or easier life.

Yeah, but he never had that much trouble scoring over Duncan in his prime years. There's a reason why he's called a Spur Killer.

[Dro]

He came from the right side driving in, he had literally no chance to dunk the way Duncan was stationed. I have seen LeBron posterize centers a million times I still don't know what point you are trying to prove with your gifs.
Please post them. I'm not even trying to be a jerk. I just would like to see them...

[Dro]

3 Ball is annoying as sh*t but you gotta love the gifs..Its like everytime someone is like MJ can't do this or blah, blah, he has a gif proving otherwise. Moreso than the fact that he actually has a gif for everything, its impressive that Jordan actually has a gif for basically every situation where somebody tries to discount him. Hell, that could be your reason out of numerous reasons to call him goat.

Gifs of Duncan scared to jump with him. Its right there, nobody made that up. Gif of him dunking on Shaq right off the catch, no dribbles needed, nothing needed to get his rhythm, just catch and poster. This types of stuff just makes people who don't like MJ pissy as hell but it was it is. Like I said, I got over that crap a long time ago and just started recognizing MJ for what he is. The GOAT. No other way to put it really.

[Dro]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1434644/john-starks-dunks-on-jordan-o.gif


Jordan spoke passionately. If teams were able to play zone defenses, he said, he never would have had the career he did.


But Jordan told USA Today his success offensively may have been greater under today's NBA rules. 2010 well AFTER the hand check rule, Jordan said..


"It's less physical and the rules have changed, obviously," said Jordan, who was promoting NBA 2K11 video game. "Based on these rules, if I had to play with my style of play, I'm pretty sure I would have fouled out or I would have been at the free throw line pretty often and I could have scored 100 points."

[3ball]

As the video footages show, Bron simply isn't explosive enough to capitalize on isos. He isn't as quick at reading and reacting to the defense.

Bron isolates on many more possessions than MJ did, yet he doesn't CAPITALIZE on isolation opportunities as much as MJ did.


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/c15d51e9fbf7a88830dbcccabfb0f613.gif


Exactly - and here's an example of what you're talking about: Let's assume it takes Player A two seconds to take advantage of an isolation and it takes Player B ten seconds.

Obviously, there will be many spots where Player A can take advantage of an iso but Player B can't - Player B is forced to let many iso spots go to waste, because they can't take advantage of the opportunity quickly enough (such as the split-second opportunity in the GIF above).

There's another thread that uses the term "isolation pace" to describe how fast (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371913) a player or particular move can take advantage of isolation opportunities.. No one in history had the necessary all-encompassing ability to take advantage of isolations as quickly as MJ (explosiveness, repertoire, quick-decisions, smarts/instincts).