D. Wade use to be a monster. I miss this *****

[Mr.Kite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nChc4UIZL2o

[dubeta]

No he wasn't. Wasn't that the season where he lost in the 1st round?

[Wade's Rings]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nChc4UIZL2o

D-GOAT:bowdown:

[Mr.Kite]

D-GOAT:bowdown:

He's good

[SaltyMeatballs]

Prime D-Wade was one of my favorites

[305Baller]

Legendary. Wade was unstopppable on his drives at times going over 3 defenders. Kobe was amazing as well, doing it with skill.

:cheers:

[mehyaM24]

wade was a good player, don't get me wrong - but the rule changes never benefited anyone more than him. lots of whistles, but subpar scoring from mid & 3pt range (definition of a fraudulent scorer). ironically enough, he sort of reminds of harden in that sense.

the lack of offensive skill is EXACTLY why wade is NOT among the top 40 when we talk about impacting games. he can't adjust, so we're seeing him pickup empty stats in a pretty meek conference.

steph curry? harden? lebron? westbrook? davis? paul? all in the top 10 via RPM. so before anyone wants to shit on it, for the most part, the mvp candidates and best players are where they're at.

[SouBeachTalents]

wade was a good player, don't get me wrong - but the rule changes never benefited anyone more than him. lots of whistles, but subpar scoring from mid & 3pt range (definition of a fraudulent scorer). ironically enough, he sort of reminds of harden in that sense.

the lack of offensive skill is EXACTLY why wade is NOT among the top 40 when we talk about impacting games. he can't adjust, so we're seeing him pickup empty stats in a pretty meek conference.

steph curry? harden? lebron? westbrook? davis? paul? all in the top 10 via RPM. so before anyone wants to shit on it, for the most part, the mvp candidates and best players are where they're at.

Free throw attempts per game post rule changes ('05-'10)

Regular season
Wade: 9.9
LeBron: 9.5

Playoffs
Wade: 9.8
LeBron: 11.3

Also, why are Wade's stats empty but not LeBron's, who before going to Miami played in the same "meek" conference but unlike Wade never won a championship?

[3ball]

it's interesting - even in 2008, the spacing wasn't like it is today - in that video, you don't see 3-4 guys camping behind the 3-point line and opening up the middle of the floor like today.

in 2008, they shot close to the same amount of 3-pointers as today, but they didn't have the latest floor-spreading strategy currently being used - that strategy didn't hit the league until 2011, when Dallas showed the league how to properly spread the floor.

and if you look at the stats on basketball-reference.com, MOST PLAYERS' at-rim FG% (0-3 ft) takes a considerable jump around 2011 or 2012 - that's the time teams started copying dallas spacing strategy - this copying created the game we see today, with multiple floor-spreaders on every possession that opens up the middle of the floor.

[ZMonkey11]

May have been mentioned already, but DAMN THAT ARENA IS EMPTY!!!!

[Dresta]

wade was a good player, don't get me wrong - but the rule changes never benefited anyone more than him. lots of whistles, but subpar scoring from mid & 3pt range (definition of a fraudulent scorer). ironically enough, he sort of reminds of harden in that sense.

the lack of offensive skill is EXACTLY why wade is NOT among the top 40 when we talk about impacting games. he can't adjust, so we're seeing him pickup empty stats in a pretty meek conference.

steph curry? harden? lebron? westbrook? davis? paul? all in the top 10 via RPM. so before anyone wants to shit on it, for the most part, the mvp candidates and best players are where they're at.
Three paragraphs of complete bullshit: you should be proud.

[mehyaM24]

Free throw attempts per game post rule changes ('05-'10)

Regular season
Wade: 9.9
LeBron: 9.5

Playoffs
Wade: 9.8
LeBron: 11.3

lebron deserves his ft's because he is a FAR better offensive player per the numbers & impact data.

watch the 2 play and it couldn't be more obvious who actually draws legit fouls.


Also, why are Wade's stats empty but not LeBron's, who before going to Miami played in the same "meek" conference but unlike Wade never won a championship?

wade's stats are empty because they don't impact his teams' success like they should (the heat are barely a playoff team). guy isn't even top 40 in the most basic (and best) impact stat whereas lebron has been top 5 in that regard since 2006.

wade never "won" a championship, btw. the heat and referees did.


Three paragraphs of complete bullshit: you should be proud.
aka objective data that you cannot refute.

[Dresta]

wade was a good player, don't get me wrong - but the rule changes never benefited anyone more than him. lots of whistles, but subpar scoring from mid & 3pt range (definition of a fraudulent scorer). ironically enough, he sort of reminds of harden in that sense.

the lack of offensive skill is EXACTLY why wade is NOT among the top 40 when we talk about impacting games. he can't adjust, so we're seeing him pickup empty stats in a pretty meek conference.

steph curry? harden? lebron? westbrook? davis? paul? all in the top 10 via RPM. so before anyone wants to shit on it, for the most part, the mvp candidates and best players are where they're at.
"objective data" everyone! ^^^^^^^^ see!!!


:roll:


You're such a ****ing clown.

[SouBeachTalents]

lebron deserves his ft's because he is a FAR better offensive player per the numbers & impact data.

watch the 2 play and it couldn't be more obvious who actually draws legit fouls.



wade's stats are empty because they don't impact his teams' success like they should (the heat are barely a playoff team). guy isn't even top 40 in the most basic (and best) impact stat whereas lebron has been top 5 in that regard since 2006.

wade never "won" a championship, btw. the heat and referees did.


aka objective data that you cannot refute.

What impact stats are you referring to?

PER? Wade's finished 10th, 4th, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, and 4th, and is 8th all time

WS? Wade's finished 8th, 3rd, 4th, and 6th, and is 57th all time

VORP? Wade's finished 9th, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, and 4th, and is 24th all time

BPM? Wade's finished 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 2nd, 4th, and 3rd, and is 10th all time

And I'd say Wade was a big part of winning that championship, outscoring his second option by over 20 ppg in the Finals

[Smoke117]

wade was a good player, don't get me wrong - but the rule changes never benefited anyone more than him. lots of whistles, but subpar scoring from mid & 3pt range (definition of a fraudulent scorer). ironically enough, he sort of reminds of harden in that sense.

the lack of offensive skill is EXACTLY why wade is NOT among the top 40 when we talk about impacting games. he can't adjust, so we're seeing him pickup empty stats in a pretty meek conference.

steph curry? harden? lebron? westbrook? davis? paul? all in the top 10 via RPM. so before anyone wants to shit on it, for the most part, the mvp candidates and best players are where they're at.http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0a3fg-fUWdw/T3On8vGgmVI/AAAAAAAAA4A/PJg-1gRMH5Y/s1600/bunk-the-wire.gif

[PJR]

Three paragraphs of complete bullshit: you should be proud.

The dude is such a clown. All you can do is laugh. :oldlol:

[mehyaM24]

What impact stats are you referring to?

PER? Wade's finished 10th, 4th, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, and 4th, and is 8th all time

WS? Wade's finished 8th, 3rd, 4th, and 6th, and is 57th all time

VORP? Wade's finished 9th, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, and 4th, and is 24th all time

BPM? Wade's finished 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 2nd, 4th, and 3rd, and is 10th all time

And I'd say Wade was a big part of winning that championship, outscoring his second option by over 20 ppg in the Finals

neither of those, as they don't adjust your teams numbers. per is good for measuring overall efficiency, though. what you're looking for is "RPM", which adjusts for teammates and strength of opposition. it basically takes/adjusts your individual numbers, estimating the impact you bring to your team.

when gauging a players worth - teams, gm's & espn use this metric MOST, determining whether they're a net plus.

wade is not even top 40 in that regard, hence his stats being somewhat empty.

[SouBeachTalents]

neither of those, as they don't adjust your teams numbers. per is good for measuring overall efficiency, though. what you're looking for is "RPM", which adjusts for teammates and strength of opposition. it basically takes/adjusts your individual numbers, estimating the impact you bring to your team.

when gauging a players worth, teams, gm's & espn use this metric MOST, determining whether they're a net plus.

wade is not even top 40 in that regard, hence his stats being somewhat empty.

You have RPM stats since LeBron & Wade entered the league?

[mehyaM24]

You have RPM stats since LeBron & Wade entered the league?

rpm is fairly new (another version of RAPM basically). it includes boxscore variables, which is slightly different from the regression-based RAPM. still, they both adjust for team and opposition, so its the best you're gonna get.

you can find RAPM numbers for earlier seasons by a simple google search.

wade fairs well, btw - but again, that was never my argument.

[3ball]

wade never "won" a championship, btw. the heat and referees did.


wade was smart though - he realized he could run roughshod by using a ball-dominant approach to take maximum advantage of the hand-check ban.

in those Finals, Wade showed the league how successful a wing could be employing a strictly ball-dominant approach - the rest is history.
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[SouBeachTalents]

rpm is fairly new (another version of RAPM basically). it includes boxscore variables, which is slightly different from the regression-based RAPM. still, they both adjust for team and opposition, so its the best you're gonna get.

you can find RAPM numbers for earlier seasons by a simple google search.

wade fairs well, btw - but again, that was never my argument.

So even for RAPM Wade's finished 6th, 6th, 3rd, 3rd, 7th and 7th. These advanced stats dispel the notion that Wade hasn't had the impact of a "top 40" all time player

[mehyaM24]

So even for RAPM Wade's finished 6th, 6th, 3rd, 3rd, 7th and 7th. These advanced stats dispel the notion that Wade hasn't had the impact of a "top 40" all time player
i never said all-time (look at the players i mentioned. they're all mvp candidates this season).

again, my argument was only for THIS season. wade isn't top 40 - ergo my comments about his inability to adjust.

[PJR]

Inability to adjust? You are truly retarded. :oldlol:

Dwyane Wade is playing about as well as a 33 year old shooting guard with degenerative knees can possibly play.

[mehyaM24]

based on what? his team is fighting for a playoff spot in a WEAK conference. according to the impact he brings to the table, there are 40 players who are more valuable to their teams given the minutes. what's more, all the mvp candidates and best players in the league are top 10 among the metric.

basically, you have nothing to add here except the usual red-herrings and elementary smilies.

[305Baller]

All I can add to this is Id love to see this Wade vs todays Westbrook

[dubeta]

The writings on the wall, whoever says Wade has great impact doesn't understand bball. This is Wade as a number 1 option.

2007 Swept the 1st round

2008 miss the playoffs

2009 lose in the first round

2010 lose in the first round

2015 miss playoffs?


That definately doesn't sound like top 40 impact

[SouBeachTalents]

The writings on the wall, whoever says Wade has great impact doesn't understand bball. This is Wade as a number 1 option.

2007 Swept the 1st round

2008 miss the playoffs

2009 lose in the first round

2010 lose in the first round

2015 miss playoffs?


That definately doesn't sound like top 40 impact

How have LeBron's seasons gone without Wade?

[PJR]

based on what? his team is fighting for a playoff spot in a WEAK conference. according to the impact he brings to the table, there are 40 players who are more valuable to their teams given the minutes. what's more, all the mvp candidates and best players in the league are top 10 among the metric.

basically, you have nothing to add here except the usual red-herrings and elementary smilies.

This thread clearly states that Wade USE to be a monster. Implying the Wade of old. In his prime.

Not today's Wade.

So what the **** are you taking about? Who has stated that Wade of today is up there with upper echelon MVP candidate caliber players? Who?

The only person who even brought up that nonsense was you. Because you have an agenda in regards to Wade, as per usual.

[mehyaM24]

So what the **** are you taking about? Who has stated that Wade of today is up there with upper echelon MVP candidate caliber players? Who?

my post evolved from his play in 2006 to this years version. not sure why you have a problem with that?

you're welcome to skim through posts you don't like. :confusedshrug:

[tpols]

Wade killing it in fantasy.. I haven't seen the game but he must be shitting on reggie right about now.