You have to choose one person to guard MJ w/ 3 secs. left in the game

[sportjames23]

Tie game, your arena, Bulls ball. Everyone in the arena knows MJ's gonna get the ball. Pip has fouled out, so if you go to OT, you have a better chance to win, but if you intentionally foul, MJ could put it away with just one free throw. Who do you put on him of these choices (all in their primes):

Lebron
Kobe
Wade
Ginobili
Bowen
Allen


Edited to include Tony Allen.

[JZ600]

Lebron
Kobe
Wade
Bowen
Manu

[poido123]

Lebron
Kobe
Wade
Bowen
Manu



:roll: :roll:

MJ would bury a dagger in Lebron's soul.


I'd say Payton or Rodman. Tough Muthaf.ckers

[sd3035]

Kobe
Bowen
Wade
Manu
Bran

[Jameerthefear]

Lebron hands down.

[SaltyMeatballs]

Bowen
LeBron
Kobe
Wade
Manu

[JZ600]

:roll: :roll:

MJ would bury a dagger in Lebron's soul.


I'd say Payton or Rodman. Tough Muthaf.ckers
Only choosing from those five.

Lebrons prime defense > the rest


Think.

[Marchesk]

Bill Russell. Might as well when it's MJ and there's only 3 seconds.

[Cocaine80s]

Lebron.

MJ's team would be blown out anyways

[andgar923]

Tie game, your arena, Bulls ball. Everyone in the arena knows MJ's gonna get the ball. Pip has fouled out, so if you go to OT, you have a better chance to win, but if you intentionally foul, MJ could put it away with just one free throw. Who do you put on him of these choices (all in their primes):

Lebron
Kobe
Wade
Ginobili
Bowen

With 3 seconds there isn't much time for him to drive, so you want someone that'll bother the shot the best.

Bron will do the best job due to his length and athleticism in that time frame.

[Fudge]

Durant or Tony Allen.

[RightToCensor]

Kobe.

Wade would bite on any pump fake.
Lebron would let his man beat him because he'd expect help in the paint.
Bowen would be as close as possible to commit a foul.
Manu is Manu.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Kobe
Manu
Bowen
Wade
Lebron

if i can pick any player itd be Tony Allen

[navy]

Durant would be a good choice because of his length. It just depends what MJ wants to do in 3 seconds.

[sportjames23]

Lebron.

MJ's team would be blown out anyways


This drugged out nikka here. :facepalm

[beastee]

This drugged out nikka here. :facepalm
seriously. He thought about this reply for 2.5 minutes and this is the best he could come up with.

[MJistheGOAT]

Best chance are Peak Bad Boy Pistons AS A TEAM, for a GOAT clutch scorer as MJ will be impossible to stop him one on one.

On topic: I think Kobe at peak defense (2000-2003)

[tmacattack33]

Lebron could do the best job denying him the ball.

If he's gauranteed to eventually get the ball, I'll go with Bowen.

[G0ATbe]

Kobe.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2254892/kobe-block-jordan-mad-o.gif

[J Shuttlesworth]

LeBron or Bowen

[Mr.Kite]

Lebron let Kawhi leonard win FMVP

Hell nah i ain't letting him guard the GOAT

[Young X]

Kobe. He's capable of playing excellent defense on any given possession and he'd take take it as a personal challenge more so than any other player. He also has long arms and good lateral quickness. Putting SF's on Jordan has never worked, you put smaller, quicker guards on him to try and limit his mobility.

[CavaliersFTW]

Bill Russell

[thefatmiral]

prime rodmam
kawhi
bowen

[oarabbus]

Bill Russell. Dude would son MJ

[Trollsmasher]

Lebron or Pip. MJ aint pullin' too many moves so you better get someone big and long for him to shoot over.

Remember that on average MJ only faced 6'4 190 guys (50% of his points came from isos against these midgets) and has never been guarded by someone bigger than him with comparable athleticism (the only guy in the league was on his own team). Some extra long bastard like Durant would be a solid choice too.

[I<3NBA]

No Pippen? Son, I am disappoint.

[Im Still Ballin]

Lebron

We saw that what gave MJ problems were physical defenders not the long wiry ones

Lebron is bigger and stronger and quicker

[Im so nba'd out]

out of all the people who ever played in the nba WTF is manu on this list?

[Beastmode88]

Lebron

We saw that what gave MJ problems were physical defenders not the long wiry ones

Lebron is bigger and stronger and quicker

that being said i wonder what the bad boys would do to lebron :biggums:

[King Jane]

that debt collector who offed his pops

[Im Still Ballin]

that being said i wonder what the bad boys would do to lebron :biggums:
Very overrated defensive team

Lebron is a physical player by nature he would thrive in the 80's-90's

[Beastmode88]

Very overrated defensive team

Lebron is a physical player by nature he would thrive in the 80's-90's

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/mjl.gif

[Im Still Ballin]

beastmode have you ever watched Lebron play?

[sportjames23]

Very overrated defensive team

Lebron is a physical player by nature he would thrive in the 80's-90's


I'll let someone else post Bron's flop gifs against today's defenses. :oldlol:

[KNOW1EDGE]

LeBron
Bowen
Wade
Kobe
Manu

[knicksman]

well im a jordan fan so bran for a sure win

[Im Still Ballin]

I'll let someone else post Bron's flop gifs against today's defenses. :oldlol:
Do you not understand the purpose of a flop?

It's not a show of his ability, it is simply taking advantage of the rules

He would not do it in previous eras if it didn't result in an advantage. We would see Lebron being much more physical on defense as a result. Lebron was able to keep in front on a prime Derrick Rose, WITHOUT the ability to use his elbow and hand check him...

[Beastmode88]

beastmode have you ever watched Lebron play?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2bhRrOAI-0 :hammerhead:

[raiderfan19]

Not on the list but pippen is the obvious answer.

On a side note I think Shawn Marion wouldn't be a bad choice. I realize it was late career mj and prime mj was a much different beast but Marion locked up old man mj in the all star game when mj was clearly trying to hit big shots and with only 3 seconds left that's probably the kind of shot mj is getting off. Given that and Marion's insane combo of length/athleticism he makes a lot of sense. Definitely the most obvious choice of anyone who never made an all d team.

[Im Still Ballin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2bhRrOAI-0 :hammerhead:
The rules dictate the physicality of the game you moron

Stop trying to make Lebron look soft

Might as well say every player today is soft (even though they are no different to any other era)

THE RULES ARE DIFFERENT

I'm done talking to trolls and morons

[Beastmode88]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFnmJgxft_s

dude couldn't even move carlos boozer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQp3UPMSPYg

while lebron gets pushed back 10 feet

http://giant.gfycat.com/BlindMessyClam.gif

[BlkMamba23]

Reggie Lewis

[Round Mound]

Pistons Era Dennis Rodman or Gary Payton.

[andgar923]

What can be done in 3 seconds?

Is it just a catch and shoot?

Or does he have time to dribble and shoot?

Can he do any quick move to get a shot off?

Does he have time to elevate-hang in the air and then release?

[pauk]

Having quick feet/staying infront of him wont matter and contesting him wont matter either..... someone will need to swat his shot or make him really re-arrange his shot dramatically to not get it swatted.... on the perimeter that means somebody who is quick/athletic enough to stay with him but at the same time be very long, preferably taller than him obviously....

Something like Pistons Rodman/Lebron/Pippen in their primes, giving their absolute best those 3 seconds....

[Beastmode88]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyFp219Nj4Y

[Micku]

Kobe. He's capable of playing excellent defense on any given possession and he'd take take it as a personal challenge more so than any other player. He also has long arms and good lateral quickness. Putting SF's on Jordan has never worked, you put smaller, quicker guards on him to try and limit his mobility.

Yeah. When Kobe is motivated, he could bring in excellent defense. Out of those choices, I think I would say Kobe...but I'm going back and forward with LeBron at his peak defensively as well. LeBron was quick enough and had good instincts to keep Rose and Tony Parker at bay for stretches. If he could keep up with those dudes, he could keep up with MJ for a time. MJ had more go to moves tho. You see Wade and Kobe score on LBJ too. And Jason Terry of course.

So, I would say Kobe overall but LeBron is a nice choice as well given the choices. It won't always work, but I think those guys are your best choices.

If I had to choose anybody:
Pippen
Tony Allen
Gary Payton
Rodman
Joe Dumars

[Ancient Legend]

Pippen is the ONLY choice. He played against MJ every day, he knew his weaknesses and tendencies. He's longer than Michael (pun intended)

[navy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyFp219Nj4Y
That was good defense.

[King Jane]

That was good defense.
defence its spelled with a c moron

[Smoke117]

Oh god...is MJ gonna make the shot 90% of the time or something? It could be Glen Rice and it would be 50/50 at best. Where do you fan boys come up with this nonsense that Jordan was some other worldly player and above a simple effective defense? ugh.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

defence its spelled with a c moron

Future negged for being a ****. Defense is the American spelling, defence is the way the rest of the English world spells it.

[Prime_Shaq]

I would be rooting for MJ to hit the shot though.

[King Jane]

Future negged for being a ****. Defense is the American spelling, defence is the way the rest of the English world spells it.
defence is the legit spelling period its got nothin to do with america :rolleyes:

[King Jane]

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/defence

freaking idiot

[Micku]

Oh god...is MJ gonna make the shot 90% of the time or something? It could be Glen Rice and it would be 50/50 at best. Where do you fan boys come up with this nonsense that Jordan was some other worldly player and above a simple effective defense? ugh.

Some players are more clutch than others, and some players are pretty clutch. And it's probably because of...

This:
http://thesportsquotient.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ba19bd8117be4b4ac706b5223b9d7237-1.jpeg

This:
http://thesportsquotient.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/bwtxfczcmae-dec-large.png

And also you can check out his clutch stats in the playoffs and regular season in the late 90s. In the last five minutes stats:

97 RS: 3.9 ppg (tied for the most in the league), 39.5%, 30 games in total in that situation. Won 20-10.
97 POs: 5.0 ppg, 51.3%, 11 games in total in that situation. Won 9-2.
http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/clutch/?sort=PTS&dir=1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs

98 RS: 4.2 ppg, 43.0%, 37 games in total in that situation. Won 21-16.
98 POs: 5.4, 44.0%, 14 games in total in that situation. Won 8-6.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/clutch/?sort=PTS&dir=1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs

It makes you wonder what he was like in his prime. Was he the same, was he better? Was he Dirk 2011 level?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

defence is the legit spelling period its got nothin to do with america :rolleyes:

You're wrong. American English v British English.

[scandisk_]

First thing is to have an idea of what he's going to do and limit his options.

Obvious answer is kobe. about same size, can stay in front of him and he know MJ's moves :oldlol: kobe ain't falling for his pumpfakes.

[Megabox!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyFp219Nj4Y
:facepalm That was actually good defense, Terry just hit a great shot.

[Marchesk]

Pippen is Jordan's teammate, so he can't guard him, and the OP said Pippen was on the bench.

[3ball]

.
Top Five MJ vs. Rodman


5)

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/0986a07e22b04495db4102d3c4529709.gif



4)

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7464a3314e5aec5ce037672c12d8c447.gif



3)

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/35edccca0a794c31a98a57e7e58bb748.gif



2)

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7e73a5105b77725d4d7c47736486d0b9.gif



1)

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Game_Winner_over_Rodman_cdfed0b0df8b81a04f9 cc8608a8e31bb.gif... Game-Winner 1989 ECF Game 3


Michael Jordan FG's on Dennis Rodman


Rim Attack (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10706771&postcount=64)

Pull-Up Jumpshot (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10451496&postcount=44)

Other Jordan FG's on Rodman (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10454211&postcount=51)
.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Regardless of everything else, two players that best defended MJ were Moncrief and Payton...

[3ball]

How well would Jordan score on Lebron?... Short answer:

MJ made Dennis Rodman look worse (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858) than guys like Paul George, Paul Pierce, Kobe and Kawhi Leonard make Lebron look... :confusedshrug:... not sure how you argue against that.


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/5b7d01b625a9cd40b2d41d99d7423323.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7e73a5105b77725d4d7c47736486d0b9.gif

[Marchesk]

lebron would be your best choice, tbh

when he goes from defending tony parker on the ball to picking up td off the p&r to bodying up on the block - you know he's fit for the job.

MJ isn't a PG, he's a highly skilled scorer who can beat you a 100 different ways, and he has an all-time great first step.


but yea, lebron's height/strength/speed would cause jordan problems as many swingmen did in the 90's, particularly reggie lewis (rip). if reggie lewis blocked jordan's shot 4 times in one game, lebron would have doubled that.

Since when has Lebron been an elite shot blocker? His career average is the same as Birds.

[JohnFreeman]

Tony Allen

[Smoke117]

.
Top Five MJ vs. Rodman


5)

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/0986a07e22b04495db4102d3c4529709.gif



4)

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7464a3314e5aec5ce037672c12d8c447.gif



3)

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/35edccca0a794c31a98a57e7e58bb748.gif



2)

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7e73a5105b77725d4d7c47736486d0b9.gif



1)

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Game_Winner_over_Rodman_cdfed0b0df8b81a04f9 cc8608a8e31bb.gif... Game-Winner 1989 ECF Game 3


Michael Jordan FG's on Dennis Rodman


Rim Attack (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10706771&postcount=64)

Pull-Up Jumpshot (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10451496&postcount=44)

Other Jordan FG's on Rodman (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10454211&postcount=51)
.


Rodman an elite perimeter defender has been an amusing bed time story for so long. We all agree Jordan is better than Pippen scoring wise? well Scottie drove right by Rodman during that 91 series at will. He averaged 10fta's game because he went right by a 29 year old Rodman in his prime...oof. If Scottie was using and abusing Rodman...why is it so special if Jordan was? Riddle me this, bitch.

Either Jordan wasn't as good as you think or Rodman wasn't as good defensively...I think we all know where the wind is flowing in this instance...****ing joke, you.

[mehyaM24]

Rodman an elite perimeter defender has been an amusing bed time story for so long. We all agree Jordan is better than Pippen scoring wise? well Scottie drove right by Rodman during that 91 series at will. He averaged 10fta's game because he went right by a 29 year old Rodman in his prime...oof. If Scottie was using and abusing Rodman...why is it so special if Jordan was? Riddle me this, bitch.
true.

rodman couldn't guard quick guards effectively on the ball. he was a good help defender and good post defender though. he was also a good on-ball defender for the bigger guards and small forwards - but there's no way guy could guard, say, a john Stockton, chris paul, russell Westbrook, derrick Rose, ect. lebron could guard and shutdown all those players (rose) plus the bigger guards and forwards rodman routinely defended.

lebron's defensive versatility is arguably his greatest asset, tbh

[triangleoffense]

Kobe because of his competitive fire on maybe the last possession or last few minutes but Bowden by a mile long term.. anyone else who thinks a coach would have Kobe or Lebron on Jordan a whole 48 minutes should gtfo

[Smoke117]

true.

rodman couldn't guard quick guards effectively on the ball. he was a good help defender and good post defender though. he was also a good on-ball defender for the bigger guards and small forwards - but there's no way guy could guard, say, a john Stockton, chris paul, russell Westbrook, derrick Rose, ect. lebron could guard and shutdown all those players (rose) plus the bigger guards and forwards rodman routinely defended.

lebron's defensive versatility is arguably his greatest asset, tbh

How charming...you think we are on the same page. You insult me by thinking we have anything in common. Future, neg.

[mehyaM24]

How charming...you think we are on the same page. You insult me by thinking we have anything in common. Future, neg.
you disagree with anything i said? be specific brah

[Smoke117]

you disagree with anything i said? be specific brah

I disagree with your existence. I'm a Wade *fan/stan* and you talked a whole mess of **** shit didn't you? You did. You sucked that lebran popsicle till it chafed your mouth raw...while chafin' my sensitibilies raw. Go **** your mother as far as i'm cocerned...and no that has nothing to do with basketball. Why would I actually talk about the sport I love with a complete, full of shit, imbecile. You pat your own shoulder too much, lad. An ego only works when you have something to back it up with. What do you have? Nothing. Aye. An empty hole waiting to be filled. I imagine a lot of blokes will fill it up, so don't e too sad.

[mehyaM24]

I disagree with your existence. I'm a Wade *fan/stan* and you talked a whole mess of **** shit didn't you? You did. You sucked that lebran popsicle till it chafed your mouth raw...while chafin' my sensitibilies raw. Go **** your mother as far as i'm cocerned...and no that has nothing to do with basketball. Why would I actually talk about the sport I love with a complete, full of shit, imbecile. You pat your own shoulder too much, lad. An ego only works when you have something to back it up with. What do you have? Nothing. Aye. An empty hole waiting to be filled. I imagine a lot of blokes will fill it up, so don't e too sad.
you're really tripping over a few basketball opinions?

relax & smoke some weed. better yet, take a freaking midol.... :kobe:

[Budadiiii]

Durant's length would be very bothersome for Em Jay. Kevin is a renegade. Never been afraid to say whats on his mind at any given time of day.

[sportjames23]

Tony Allen


Shit, I forgot to include him in the OP. I knew I was missing someone.

[sportjames23]

I disagree with your existence. I'm a Wade *fan/stan* and you talked a whole mess of **** shit didn't you? You did. You sucked that lebran popsicle till it chafed your mouth raw...while chafin' my sensitibilies raw. Go **** your mother as far as i'm cocerned...and no that has nothing to do with basketball. Why would I actually talk about the sport I love with a complete, full of shit, imbecile. You pat your own shoulder too much, lad. An ego only works when you have something to back it up with. What do you have? Nothing. Aye. An empty hole waiting to be filled. I imagine a lot of blokes will fill it up, so don't e too sad.


Damn. :oldlol:

[Micku]

How well would Jordan score on Lebron?... Short answer:

MJ made Dennis Rodman look worse (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858) than guys like Paul George, Paul Pierce, Kobe and Kawhi Leonard make Lebron look... :confusedshrug:... not sure how you argue against that.


It's not about stopping Jordan for a whole game. It's about who is the best to put on him in the last 3 seconds. Whoever has the best chance should be on him. No one is going to shut him down.

[brantonli]

Pre-crazy Ron Artest.

[dunksby]

It's three seconds off an inbound play I'm guessing, so he won't have much time and opportunity to drive to the basket, PJAX will be running a play for Mike off the inbound. Then I have to go with someone with good ball denying skills who can stay on MJ while he cuts and runs to get the ball directly or indirectly. That would narrow down the answers from OP and my own choices to LeBron/Kawhi/Allen/Payton, the other factor is that due to shortage of time he is going to have to shoot it, he has time for one or two moves though, which means length and smarts have a bigger role and that leaves LeBron and Kawhi suited best to defend him in this situation.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

I disagree with your existence. I'm a Wade *fan/stan* and you talked a whole mess of **** shit didn't you? You did. You sucked that lebran popsicle till it chafed your mouth raw...while chafin' my sensitibilies raw. Go **** your mother as far as i'm cocerned...and no that has nothing to do with basketball. Why would I actually talk about the sport I love with a complete, full of shit, imbecile. You pat your own shoulder too much, lad. An ego only works when you have something to back it up with. What do you have? Nothing. Aye. An empty hole waiting to be filled. I imagine a lot of blokes will fill it up, so don't e too sad.

:lol

[3ball]

97 POs: 5.0 ppg, 51.3%, 11 games in total in that situation. Won 9-2.
http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/clutch/?sort=PTS&dir=1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs

98 POs: 5.4, 44.0%, 14 games in total in that situation. Won 8-6.
http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/clutch/?sort=PTS&dir=1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs

It makes you wonder what he was like in his prime. Was he the same, was he better? Was he Dirk 2011 level?


in 1997 and 1998, your stats show that MJ was already better than Dirk: 5.4 ppg to Dirk's 4.1 - that's a super-ton - we're only talking about the last 5 minutes.

btw, do you have any idea how much better MJ's stats were during his first 3-peat?

thru his first 3-peat, MJ's playoff averages were 35/7/7/50% - but they were only 31/6/4/46% during his second 3-peat.. obviously, his clutch stats would've been GOAT by far during his 1st three-peat.

Source for MJ's playoff stats thru 1993: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game
Source for MJ's playoff stats 1996-1998: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game

[Micku]

in 1997 and 1998, your stats show that MJ was already better than Dirk: 5.4 ppg to Dirk's 4.1 - that's a super-ton - we're only talking about the last 5 minutes.

btw, do you have any idea how much better MJ's stats were during his 1st three-peat?

thru his first 3-peat, his playoff averages were 35/7/7/50%, and only 31/5/4/43% during his 2nd three-peat.. obviously, his clutch stats would've been GOAT by far during his 1st three-peat.

Source for MJ's playoff stats thru 1993: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game
Source for MJ's playoff stats 1996-1998: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game

You might be right. MJ had more volume, but Dirk was more efficient. I was amaze with Dirk god like efficiency. He shot like 60% from 3, 53% from the FG and 97.1% from the FT. The dude did not miss. I mean, I saw it. I saw him wreck every team in the clutch, but damn man. What possessed him that year? /dirkworhsip

MJ was efficient too tho and this was old Jordan. It's really impressive. Especially considering he was like...35 by 1998 in the playoffs. He, naturally, had more games than other player in that situation and he delivered.

We don't have official stats of MJ clutch stats of the last five minutes back in the early 90s. I would imagine there would be increase in clutch stats in the RS and perhaps in the PO. I think there was a thread a while back that tried to do that for the games he was able to find, but that's about it. If you can find it, kudos. Or if you you try to do it yourself.

[3ball]

You might be right. MJ had more volume


i guess any great player is good for that 1 Jordan season if they play long enough - and 2011 was Dirk's one and only Jordan year..

of course, even in that season, Dirk's volume of clutch points was 33% less than MJ's (4.1 to 5.4).

Btw, correction on the previous stats - Jordan's stats during his second 3-peat were 31/6/4/46% (compared to 35/7/7/50% thru his first 3-peat).
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[Black Mamba's B]

Kobe or Wade

[Dr Hawk]

Kobe would be the most obsessed to stop Jordan. I would choose him, he was a great defender when he was trying. He would do a great job, I'm sure of that.

[Smoke117]

Kobe would be the most obsessed to stop Jordan. I would choose him, he was a great defender when he was trying. He would do a great job, I'm sure of that.


That's exactly what is wrong with Bryant defensively. He was "great" when he was trying...too bad he didn't try very often....definitely didn't try often enough to deserve even half of his all defensive nods.

[BlakFrankWhite]

From this list Definetly LeBron.

Other then this list....Hakeem.

[Chadwin]

Vernon Maxwell

[sportjames23]

Nikkas making they own lists. :oldlol:

[Eric Cartman]

Kobe and it's not even close.

GOAT vs GOAT.

[SwayDizzle]

Kobe and it's not even close.

GOAT vs GOAT.
this right here

[-23-]

Pre-crazy Ron Artest.

When was he not crazy? :mad: :coleman:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Sidney Moncrief vs young, unreal athletic freak, rookie Jordan, who was already a terrific scorer/player, beast at exploding and finishing at the rim, major mid-to-close range game...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ADAo3W4Hos&t=0m39s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFV59cFZi-U&t=5m0s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFV59cFZi-U&t=5m20s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFV59cFZi-U&t=6m57s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFV59cFZi-U&t=8m35s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFV59cFZi-U&t=34m27s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFV59cFZi-U&t=39m20s

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312018
(Moncrief was never the same after 1986 injury)


Gary Payton vs older, slower but bulkier/stronger and better shooter with more "refined" game Jordan, who was past-his-peak but still in his prime:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy6uigdabDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-9ezKk1arA

[scm5]

Kobe.

Kobe would find some magical way to literally give 110% and play above his means to guard MJ and expand his own greatness.

[DCL]

just to play straight up one-on-one.. without focusing on anything else like rebounding, the weak side, backdoor pass, and all that?

i'd put KG or hakeem on him.

[imnew09]

Kobe.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2254892/kobe-block-jordan-mad-o.gif


Not even in his prime yet. DefendBe all day

[diamenz]

no one knows mj's scoring repertoire like kobe does.

payton, lebron and rodman all close seconds.

[Top Gun]

Kawhi.

[3ball]

You guys are acting like it's 0.3 seconds and MJ can only catch-and-shoot - but 3 seconds is a ton of time to make a move.. Also, it should be mentioned that historically, the only time there was any sort of narrative that a defender did well against Jordan was when Jordan faced ultra tough guards (Payton, Moncrief, and to a lesser extent Dumars, Starks).

Otoh, there's never been a story or narrative about any SF doing well against him - Shawn Marion, Dennis Rodman and Byron Russell not only couldn't guard MJ, but they all got juked to a certain extent before MJ's game winner on them.. Otoh, quicker guards like Ehlo or Gerald Wilkins didn't get juked at all, and were able to contest Jordan's shot much better.

For this reason, I think ultra quick defenders like Payton or Moncrief could contest Jordan the best - the actual game-winning attempt would be more contested versus these guys than a slower SF whom Jordan is a natural mismatch for, and that MJ is able to get off-balance much easier.

[bdreason]

Prime Artest.

[sportjames23]

Just an example of what MJ could do with 3 seconds:

http://scalabrinealert.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/MJ-The-Shot-Ehlo.gif

[3ball]

Just an example of what MJ could do with 3 seconds:

http://scalabrinealert.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/MJ-The-Shot-Ehlo.gif



Or 2 seconds:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7bbe35dd005f2c645e6ed760c3a35acc.gif

[sportjames23]

Thanks, 3ball. I was looking for that Pistons gif.

[mehyaM24]

lebron would be your best choice, tbh

when he goes from defending tony parker on the ball to picking up td off the p&r to bodying up on the block - you know he's fit for the job. lebron's defense in miami was consistently elite. its sad that it takes a block for the ages for us to stop and think, wow this guy's athleticism is goat.

but yea, lebron's height/strength/speed would cause jordan problems as many swingmen did in the 90's, particularly reggie lewis (rip). if reggie lewis blocked jordan's shot 4 times in one game, lebron would have doubled that.

[3ball]

Prime Artest.
I'd prefer Rodman - quicker and taller.

[3ball]

if reggie lewis blocked jordan's shot 4 times in one game, lebron would have doubled that.


MJ and Reggie Lewis were matched up quite a bit, because Lewis started at SG - here are games where they are matched up, starting SG vs. starting SG:


Jordan 41 points 1990... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=519CMlXJmTg

Jordan 38 points 1988... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PTB13ZJIGE

Jordan 35 points 1990... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozZwNeK6chQ

Jordan 45 points 1990... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPNNdJLfKEg

Jordan 39 points 1991... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOHWXRw9UkU

Jordan 44 points 1992... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8S8cXV9E-Y


But Jordan's quickness and overall ability was always a big mismatch for taller wings, such as Penny Hardaway (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692264&postcount=24), Richard Dumas (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692400&postcount=30), Grant Hill (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10667322#post10667322), or Rodman (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858).
.

[DCL]

i think olajuwan is the only one who's ever done this 4 times in one game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNZN_eHderg

[SHAQisGOAT]

lebron would be your best choice, tbh

when he goes from defending tony parker on the ball to picking up td off the p&r to bodying up on the block - you know he's fit for the job. lebron's defense in miami was consistently elite. its sad that it takes a block for the ages for us to stop and think, wow this guy's athleticism is goat.

but yea, lebron's height/strength/speed would cause jordan problems as many swingmen did in the 90's, particularly reggie lewis (rip). if reggie lewis blocked jordan's shot 4 times in one game, lebron would have doubled that.

Not saying he wouldn't do a solid job but no, he wouldn't be the best choice, not even top5... Peak Jordan was TOO cat-like quick with an elite 1st step, too agile and too nimble, combined with terrific footwork, great ballhandling, off-ball movement, high IQ and understanding of the game, great shooting touch and tremendous finishing ability.
You'd need one of those very quick SG's, with elite defense and the necessary physique/strength to body him up too when needed; dudes very quick on their feet with great footwork, very active hands, high defensive IQ and very physical, plus strong...
Again, dudes like Moncrief or Payton have done the best job, as far as that 1on1.

Why would've LeBron doubled that? What does one thing has to do with the other? Him and Reggie are just different types of players with different type of physique/frame/athleticism... Plus, I must say that while LeBron's a better weakside (off-ball) shot-blocker, he was never as good as Reggie Lewis at shot-blocking the man they're directly guarding.

Cooper, DJ, Rodman, Pressey, Eddie Jones, Starks, Rodney McCray, Sprewell, and so on... never did what Reggie "pulled off" against Jordan in that one game. Shit, not even some dudes who guarded him when he was pushing like 40, players like Artest, Christie, Kobe or Bowen (some already had gone against him before though)...

[SHAQisGOAT]

i think olajuwan is the only one who's ever done this 4 times in one game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNZN_eHderg

Think again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni7t4swtdYw

And Reggie was actually guarding Jordan 1on1, unlike Hakeem (who's obviously a center so it wouldn't happen much)...

[DCL]

Think again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni7t4swtdYw

And Reggie was actually guarding Jordan 1on1, unlike Hakeem (who's obviously a center so it wouldn't happen much)...


same stats, but different fashion.

a couple of hakeem's blocks were straight up "get that shit outta here", sending it to pakistan.

[3ball]

a couple of hakeem's blocks were straight up "get that shit outta here", sending it to pakistan.



That's 1 game where Hakeem found his balls vs MJ - normally, he was scared to jump with MJ and would literally flinch rather than contest.. :confusedshrug:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Michael_Jordan_Blows_By_Robert_a06301d352c7c9a7a26 53e80f329d83b.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/85b10e992b3e88c0af314199d9bec638.gif... Hakeem scared as ****


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/31bc391d9b340e1ce3eb68d99c5375ee.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/e86f8faa75624459413e9bb2a3644b52.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Michael_Jordan_Dunks_on_Hakeem_db5660b721e344af26f 25530811bde50.gif

[Blue&Orange]

Pippen

[Trollsmasher]

That's 1 game where Hakeem found his balls vs MJ - normally, he was scared to jump with MJ and would literally flinch rather than contest.. :confusedshrug:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Michael_Jordan_Blows_By_Robert_a06301d352c7c9a7a26 53e80f329d83b.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/85b10e992b3e88c0af314199d9bec638.gif... Hakeem scared as ****


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/31bc391d9b340e1ce3eb68d99c5375ee.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/e86f8faa75624459413e9bb2a3644b52.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Michael_Jordan_Dunks_on_Hakeem_db5660b721e344af26f 25530811bde50.gif
Typical weak D era rim protection. And this is a two times DPOY.

[3ball]

Pippen


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enna-TEgE4o&t=13m29s

There's never been a story or narrative about any SF doing well against him - Shawn Marion, Dennis Rodman and Byron Russell couldn't guard MJ and they all had game-winners hit on them where they looked a little clumsy trying to keep up.

[Imtheman]

MJ wouldn't score on Tony Allen the greatest defensive sg of all time

[jayfan]

Dumars





.

[tamaraw08]

Tie game, your arena, Bulls ball. Everyone in the arena knows MJ's gonna get the ball. Pip has fouled out, so if you go to OT, you have a better chance to win, but if you intentionally foul, MJ could put it away with just one free throw. Who do you put on him of these choices (all in their primes):

Lebron
Kobe
Wade
Ginobili
Bowen
Allen


Edited to include Tony Allen.
Anthony "the Brow" Davis is my top pick.

[raiderfan19]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enna-TEgE4o&t=13m29s

There's never been a story or narrative about any SF doing well against him - Shawn Marion, Dennis Rodman and Byron Russell couldn't guard MJ and they all had game-winners hit on them where they looked a little clumsy trying to keep up.
Against Marion he missed like 6 straight shots before he hit the lucky jumper at the end(that was still really good defense) not sure if you are using something other than the all star game.

[Hey Yo]

That's 1 game where Hakeem found his balls vs MJ - normally, he was scared to jump with MJ and would literally flinch rather than contest.. :confusedshrug:
It's called playing smart to concede and staying out of foul trouble.

LOL @ "being scared"....dumb

[Genaro]

Kobe.
The guy knows every MJ move. Probably saw a lot of MJ's games only second to 3ball.

[3ball]

not sure if you are using something other than the all star game.


MJ hit a different game-winner on Marion - a walk-off in Marion's face with no time left:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjo06p5zchg


he also dropped 41 on Marion in another game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd9ayPlqCMg


So again, there's never been a story or narrative about any SF doing well against him - Shawn Marion, Dennis Rodman and Byron Russell couldn't guard MJ and they all had game-winners hit on them where they looked a little clumsy trying to keep up.

[Elosha]

MJ hit a different game-winner on Marion - a walk-off in Marion's face with no time left:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjo06p5zchg


he also dropped 41 on Marion in another game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd9ayPlqCMg


So again, there's never been a story or narrative about any SF doing well against him - Shawn Marion, Dennis Rodman and Byron Russell couldn't guard MJ and they all had game-winners hit on them where they looked a little clumsy trying to keep up.

And this is a 38-40 year old Jordan doing this to Marion in his prime.