2012 Miami Heat vs. 2009 Los Angeles Lakers

[Lebron23]

Who do you think wins in this best of 7 series??



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[iTare]

lebron beats kobe everytime~!

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

lakers had an asian guy before lin??????:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[plowking]

Lebron has owned all of his rivals in head to head matchups. The only one that is close is Carmelo.

Should answer the question.

[kap]

2009 lakers were unstoppable. Even kentucy wouldn't be able to beat them.

(but in all honestly, '09 lakers)

[Genaro]

First of all, who gets home court? I'm guessing it's 2-2-1-1-1.

Heat was stacked, Lakers had basically Kobe and Gasol. If Bynum has a good series maybe the Lakers would win cause Heat didn't have no one to rebound and guard a guy like him.(see Hibbert) Lakers would kill the Heat on the glass, Heat would have a lot of fastbreak points.

Kobe, Wade and Lebron would obviously get theirs. Gasol probably would too but he can be neutralized if guarded properly but I don't think they have someone to do it.

I think maybe 2010 would be better for the Lakers since they had Artest to guard Lebron.

Long story short, I think HCA and role players would dictate a lot on this one.
If the Heat has HCA, can find a way to guard Kobe and the frontcourt Miller, Mario and Battier are hitting everything (like the Thunder series) Heat wins in 5 or 6. Otherwise, Lakers in 7.

[ImKobe]

Lakers, Miami has no one to defend gasol & Bynun effectively, Ariza can defend Lebron, Odom would feast as well & pjax 》Spo

[dubeta]

Lakers, Miami has no one to defend gasol & Bynun effectively, Ariza can defend Lebron, Odom would feast as well & pjax 》Spo

Smh now that I think about it that team was so stacked :biggums:

[Micku]

Lakers, Miami has no one to defend gasol & Bynun effectively, Ariza can defend Lebron, Odom would feast as well & pjax 》Spo

Assuming if that dude is healthy.

It could go either way. On paper, the Lakers got the bigs to give Miami problems tho the Heat beat the Lakers a lot in the regular season when the big 3 together,, they weren't the same Lakers.

[JohnFreeman]

Heat sweeps

[fiddy]

Heat sweeps
...sweeps its locker room after loosing 0-4 to the Lakers

[keep-itreal]

Lakers would sweep the heat team

That Gasol Bynum frontcourt was the main reason why that team was so good.

and they had Lamar Odom, versatile player.

and then kobe who lieks to chuck

[Eric Cartman]

08-10 Lakers can beat any Lebron team.

Laker nation give me some love :cheers:

[JerrySeinfeld]

Lebron has owned all of his rivals in head to head matchups. The only one that is close is Carmelo.

Should answer the question.

Spurs? Leonard?

Wouldn't call what LeBron did to them "owning" them. Same with the Celtics, considering his first choke and the ref help needed to beat them a second time around.

[knicksman]

LOL at comparing a 2/5 to a 5/7.

[SouBeachTalents]

LOL at comparing a 2/5 to a 5/7.

Let's compare a recent Knicks championship team to one of these two. Oh shit, I forgot, you'd have to go back to when disco music was considered contemporary to do that

[Prime_Shaq]

Gasol + Bynum + Odom will be too much for the Miami front line sadly. Sun Yue gonna win MVP though.

[Dresta]

Kobe would struggle, as Miami had 3 guys capable of guarding/pressuring him in Battier/Bron/Wade, and he didn't play with another dynamic perimeter player to provide relief from the constant hassle and attention he'd be getting from these 3 guys. Lakers would destroy Miami inside though, so it's hard to say.

[ImKobe]

Assuming if that dude is healthy.

It could go either way. On paper, the Lakers got the bigs to give Miami problems tho the Heat beat the Lakers a lot in the regular season when the big 3 together,, they weren't the same Lakers.

He was healthy that year, albeit on restricted minutes. It's not that Lakers are far more talented, it's just that the way they are built, Miami doesn't have the bodies to defend them effectively. Lakers are going to win the rebounding battle.

09 Lakers were the most stacked version of the 08-10 teams because Bynum was healthy, Gasol was at his best, Kobe was still at his best and we had shooters. Odom shot 51% from 3 in the POs, Ariza and Brown 48%, Fisher only 28% but made key threes in crunch time, Kobe shot 35%.

And same year, you had Lebron's Cavs that just couldn't handle the Magic because their front court got dominated, OTOH, Lakers had the bodies to throw at Dwight and the shooters took care of business. So, if Dwight Howard was overwhelmed by this Lakers' front court, think what they would do to Miami, on top of Kobe putting up 30 a game on decent efficiency.

[ImKobe]

Kobe would struggle, as Miami had 3 guys capable of guarding/pressuring him in Battier/Bron/Wade, and he didn't play with another dynamic perimeter player to provide relief from the constant hassle and attention he'd be getting from these 3 guys. Lakers would destroy Miami inside though, so it's hard to say.

Kobe would use that pressure and give Ariza, Odom, Fisher, Pau wide open looks like he did against the Magic and he would still get his 30.

Kobe used to shit on prime Battier with multiple 50+ point games in the same season against him and he was able to contain 09 Lebron in their h2h match-ups, who shot a combined 14/45 against the Lakers that season with Kobe defending him in a lot of those possessions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoxsuX0TadM

And let's not forget how Kobe dismantled the Heat in 2012, after Wade broke his nose in the ASG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0pDy77dNvA

2012 Lakers were a poor man's version of 09 Lakers, and Kobe was still able to defend Bran in the post and block his fadeaway and drop 18 in one quarter.

[dubeta]

He was healthy that year, albeit on restricted minutes. It's not that Lakers are far more talented, it's just that the way they are built, Miami doesn't have the bodies to defend them effectively. Lakers are going to win the rebounding battle.

09 Lakers were the most stacked version of the 08-10 teams because Bynum was healthy, Gasol was at his best, Kobe was still at his best and we had shooters. Odom shot 51% from 3 in the POs, Ariza and Brown 48%, Fisher only 28% but made key threes in crunch time, Kobe shot 35%.

And same year, you had Lebron's Cavs that just couldn't handle the Magic because their front court got dominated, OTOH, Lakers had the bodies to throw at Dwight and the shooters took care of business. So, if Dwight Howard was overwhelmed by this Lakers' front court, think what they would do to Miami, on top of Kobe putting up 30 a game on decent efficiency.

Its the Finals stop trolling :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Its the Finals stop trolling :oldlol:

:roll:

[sportjames23]

Its the Finals stop trolling :oldlol:


Where someone is 2/5.

[dubeta]

Where someone is 2/5.

Kobe's FG%, nice one :applause:

[ImKobe]

Its the Finals stop trolling :oldlol:

32 ppg on 43/36/84 shooting (53%TS) isn't decent?

2012 Kobe vs 2012 Heat - 28.5/4/4/1.5 on 50/38/83 shooting

[Magic 32]

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[JohnFreeman]

Which Wade are you getting though?

[Smoke117]

You mean the Laker team who only won a championship (2) because KG got injured? Absolutely the Heat.

[ImKobe]

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That's what happens when you're being defended by Kobe, Odom & Ariza :pimp:

Lebron also broke Kobe's finger in their first meeting.

[Fire Colangelo]

Again, the classic "Heat was stacked as fk, but pretty much every other championship team can beat them" :oldlol:

[AintNoSunshine]

Lakers front court would have run a train on Bosh.. But history shows Lebron beats Kobe vast majority of thr time so tough call, Heat in 7 with legendary Game 7 by the King.

[ImKobe]

Again, the classic "Heat was stacked as fk, but pretty much every other championship team can beat them" :oldlol:

They are stacked as relative to their era, and they would have the best or 2nd best record in the league in 09, but the Lakers are a complete mis-match for them.

[game3524]

You mean the Laker team who only won a championship (2) because KG got injured? Absolutely the Heat.

What bullshit.:oldlol:

The Lakers completely owned Boston in 2009, they would have won the championship even if KG had played that post-season

[G0ATbe]

Wade would have his way with Lakers defense because Kobe would be too busy putting LeBald in handcuffs. LeBald would shit the bed. Kobe would dominate. Lakers in 5.

[RightTwoCensor]

So people expect the Lakers frontcourt to get every touch and abuse Bosh? While Kobe has two working legs? Not in this lifetime.

[HOoopCityJones]

So people expect the Lakers frontcourt to get every touch and abuse Bosh? While Kobe has two working legs? Not in this lifetime.

Pretty much what happened to every frontcourt we faced that year , especially against the best big in the league, you know the same Dwight led Team Lebron lost to.

[Megabox!]

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We're talking about the 2012 Heat not the 09' Cavs.....
But I got the Heat in 6, Lebron and Wade would be too much even if their front court isn't that impressive. Besides Bosh and Joel are actually pretty good defenders for their size

[KembaWalker]

lmao them white boy scrubs on the Lakers
Walton-Farmar-Vujacic-Morrison
BIG 4

[ClipperRevival]

I would favor the Lakers slightly because our front court was stacked. Prime Gasol and prime Odom and healthy Bynum. It just would've been too much length, size and skills for Miami to handle up front. Hibbert and West gave Miami trouble. Lol.

Kobe was still very close to his prime and could still defend. And you also add in another solid wing defender in Ariza and the Lakers have a chance at slowing down Bron/Wade.

[qrich]

Lakers take it in six. Gasol/Odom downlow against Bosh? Easy. Kobe guards Wade while crapping on him. Ariza's all over Bron, making it hard for Bron to get his ultra great finals numbers. Fisher shits on Chalmers.

[Hey Yo]

Heat sweeps
This

because KoME would look at it as H2H against LeBron to see who could get the better stats.

LeBron would play to win.

[ClipperRevival]

Prime Gasol is one of the most skilled big men ever. And a healthy Bynum could dominate in stretches. There was no one on Miami's team that could check Bynum's height, size and length. That guy was 7'1" and had arms like Durant. And let's not forget how good a prime and motivated Odom was. The guy was a 6'10" guard.

And then there was Kobe. He wasn't in his physical prime but you can argue that around 2009, he was at his best in terms of playing the game the right way and making his teammates better instead of trying to do it all.

Basketball is about matchups. The Heat do not match up well against the Lakers front line. And when you add in Kobe in the mix, it's a wrap.

[1987_Lakers]

Alot of people forget that Bynum was playing injured in both the Lakers title runs.

The X-factor on that team was Odom, if he was on his game the Lakers were unbeatable. And Ariza was a much better fit on that team than Artest the very next year.

[TheMarkMadsen]

HEAT almost lost to an old broken down Celtics team and a lot of that had to due with the Celtics not being intimidated like a lot of the younger teams the HEAT faced that year in the playoffs were

The Lakers wouldn't have been intimidated, a well oiled offense and veteran players was the formula to beat the HEAT and the Lakers had that in bunches with the triangle, Kobe & Pau

[navy]

HEAT almost lost to an old broken down Celtics team and a lot of that had to due with the Celtics not being intimidated like a lot of the younger teams the HEAT faced that year in the playoffs were

The Lakers wouldn't have been intimidated, a well oiled offense and veteran players was the formula to beat the HEAT and the Lakers had that in bunches with the triangle, Kobe & Pau
Or because Bosh was injured....

[navy]

Bynum might have been a problem. Maybe, but that was before he had that one beast year.
Gasol on the otherhand is soft. lol at him dominating anyone.

The Heat only lost to the Lakers once during that time span. Coincidentally it was a game Bosh didnt play.
I dont remember anyone on that Lakers team that was a particular problem for the Heat. Even Kobe.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Bynum might have been a problem. Maybe, but that was before he had that one beast year.
Gasol on the otherhand is soft. lol at him dominating anyone.

The Heat only lost to the Lakers once during that time span. Coincidentally it was a game Bosh didnt play.
I dont remember anyone on that Lakers team that was a particular problem for the Heat. Even Kobe.

09 Kobe and 12 Kobe are completely different players

Bynum played 17 mpg in the 09 playoffs, he wouldn't be a problem for anybody.. Kobe and Pau are the only guys who averaged more than 12 points in the playoffs, they are the only 2 consistent offensive options

[navy]

09 Kobe and 12 Kobe are completely different players

Bynum played 17 mpg in the 09 playoffs, he wouldn't be a problem for anybody.. Kobe and Pau are the only guys who averaged more than 12 points in the playoffs, they are the only 2 consistent offensive options
Yeah and now considering the Heat were easily the best perimeter defense in the league and you are relying on Paul Gasol to dominate and to protect your rim vs Wade and Lebron?

Heat in 5 or 6.

[ClipperRevival]

Bynum might have been a problem. Maybe, but that was before he had that one beast year.
Gasol on the otherhand is soft. lol at him dominating anyone.

The Heat only lost to the Lakers once during that time span. Coincidentally it was a game Bosh didnt play.
I dont remember anyone on that Lakers team that was a particular problem for the Heat. Even Kobe.

You got the years mixed up. Even by 2010, the Lakers were already showing signs of slowing down despite winning it all. Anytime after that, the Lakers were no longer peak and not at the championship level. Bron went to Miami on 2011 so any matchups between the two were not a fair comparison for the reasons I mentioned above.

[game3524]

Lakers take it in six. Gasol/Odom downlow against Bosh? Easy. Kobe guards Wade while crapping on him. Ariza's all over Bron, making it hard for Bron to get his ultra great finals numbers. Fisher shits on Chalmers.

This gets overlooked, but Kobe bust Wade's ass every time they play.

[navy]

You got the years mixed up. Even by 2010, the Lakers were already showing signs of slowing down despite winning it all. Anytime after that, the Lakers were no longer peak and not at the championship level. Bron went to Miami on 2011 so any matchups between the two were not a fair comparison for the reasons I mentioned above.
I dont have the years mixed up I was talking about the personnel that was available. If you are telling me Im not getting a beast in Bynum and that Pau Gasol is the person that is going to be rim protector and the deciding factor absolutely feasting on the Heat because they are weak inside, im gonna disagree.

[navy]

This gets overlooked, but Kobe bust Wade's ass every time they play.
He does? Post their head to head.

[ClipperRevival]

I dont have the years mixed up I was talking about the personnel that was available. If you are telling me Im not getting a beast in Bynum and that Pau Gasol is the person that is going to be rim protector and the deciding factor absolutely feasting on the Heat because they are weak inside, im gonna disagree.

Bynum wasn't as polished until 2011 on, that's true but he still impacted our team in 2009 and 2010 with his presence, rebounding and occasional post game. If you know basketball, you know you can't teach length and size.

[Rose'sACL]

2012 heat in 5. one of the best teams of all time which was a great acheivement by bosh wade and lebron given that they didn't have a big man protecting the paint. if bosh doesn't go down then they win every series in 5 games that postseason. bosh really helped in PnR defense. bosh got back close to fully healthy by the time finals arrived and miami won in 5. bosh wasn't healthy even when he returned during that celtics series.
2008 cletics would even lost in 6 games to that 2012 heat team we saw in the finals.

[Lebron23]

Lebron are the Laker's Kryptonite. Miami Heat in 7.

[Dragonyeuw]

2008 cletics would even lost in 6 games to that 2012 heat team we saw in the finals.

The 2012 celtics took the Heat to 7 games and Miami needed a herculean 45 and 15 effort from Lebron to avoid a game 6 elimination. The 2008 Celtics were much better than the 2012 version.

[Dresta]

This gets overlooked, but Kobe bust Wade's ass every time they play.
No.


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[Dresta]

The 2012 celtics took the Heat to 7 games and Miami needed a herculean 45 and 15 effort from Lebron to avoid a game 6 elimination. The 2008 Celtics were much better than the 2012 version.
Are they? Then how did the sub-.500 Hawks push them to 7 games also? You can't take a single series as representative of both teams for the entire season - there's a lot of room for simple divergence of fortune, for a start. Take the fact that Bosh didn't play most of that series, and that Miami had an utter dearth of other big-men into consideration when making such comparisons.

[Heavincent]

Are they?

Yes.

08 Celtics - 66-16 (80.5)
12 Celtics - 39-27 (59.1)

The 2012 Celtics had no depth what so ever.

[Dresta]

Yes.

08 Celtics - 66-16 (80.5)
12 Celtics - 39-27 (59.1)

The 2012 Celtics had no depth what so ever.
And yet they were so good as to be taken to 7 games by the Hawks?

Anyway, i wasn't saying they weren't better, i simply said saying the 12 Celts took Miami 7 and thus would get murked by the 08 Celtics isn't a sound argument for this season. There are different circumstances to account for in both cases; everyone seems to ignore that Miami went without its only capable bigman for 2 series, and still made it to the finals (where they won in 5, with him).

[Eric Cartman]

And yet they were so good as to be taken to 7 games by the Hawks?

Anyway, i wasn't saying they weren't better, i simply said saying the 12 Celts took Miami 7 and thus would get murked by the 08 Celtics isn't a sound argument for this season. There are different circumstances to account for in both cases; everyone seems to ignore that Miami went without its only capable bigman for 2 series, and still made it to the finals (where they won in 5, with him).

Didn't you just say that you can't take only 1 series into account for how good a team is?

2008 Boston would destroy any version of the Heatles.

You are fighting a losing battle here Marx.

[Bigsmoke]

HEAT almost lost to an old broken down Celtics team and a lot of that had to due with the Celtics not being intimidated like a lot of the younger teams the HEAT faced that year in the playoffs were

The Lakers wouldn't have been intimidated, a well oiled offense and veteran players was the formula to beat the HEAT and the Lakers had that in bunches with the triangle, Kobe & Pau

The Lakers went to 7 games against the Rockets bench. :biggums:

*** u talking about

[Bigsmoke]

Didn't you just say that you can't take only 1 series into account for how good a team is?

2008 Boston would destroy any version of the Heatles.

You are fighting a losing battle here Marx.

He is using that as an example stupid

[Real14]

2012 heat are more stacked but I respect 09 lakers more because they earned their ring.

[Bigsmoke]

2012 heat are more stacked but I respect 09 lakers more because they earned their ring.

How do you not earn a championship?


Bosh was out for 9 game and Wade was playing on one legs but they didn't deserve to win because they worked their asses off trying to get it like everyone else?

LeBron haters are the most dumbest people. I'm telling ya

[Megabox!]

2008 Boston would destroy any version of the Heatles.
Yeah......no

[Papaya Petee]

This gets overlooked, but Kobe bust Wade's ass every time they play.

Wade- 24\7\5\2\1 45% FG 11-8 record vs Kobe
Kobe- 27\5\4\1\0 44% FG 8-11 record vs Wade

:wtf: shut your stupid bitch ass up.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

09 Lakers went on a tare that season. I always liked Ariza more than Metta World Peace on those championship teams.