You have to choose one person to guard prime Dirk w/ 3 secs. left in the game

[sportjames23]

Who do you choose from this list (all in their primes):

Lebron
Garnett
Duncan
Dwight
Tony Allen
Durant
Bowen

[IncarceratedBob]

He wouldn't be able to get his shot off against peak KG

[JerrySeinfeld]

KG

[Cone]

Dirk has absolutely raped peak KG time after time.

Especially 01-02. Dirk swept KG and dropped 33.3/15.7 on 53/73/90 :oldlol:

but okay, he wouldn't have gotten a shot off.. sure.

[T_L_P]

He wouldn't be able to get his shot off against peak KG

2002 rd 1 (DAL-MIN):

Dirk averages 33.3 PPG on 53/73/90

[DCL]

any 6 foot nothing guard from the warriors in 2007 :lol

[iTare]

Me. I'll lock that mutherf*cker down at will.

[SHAQisGOAT]

From that list I'm inclined to say KG, but then again Dirk killed him plenty of times...

Bobby Jones probably tops my list, as far as that... Also got Hakeem, Dan Roundfield, Bill Russell, Larry Nance, McHale, DeBusschere, AK47, Thurmond, Ben Wallace, Caldwell Jones... besides some players from your list.

[pauk]

Prime KG (Wolves)

[Nets fan 93]

Tough list just because of dirks play style but I'd pick Kg

[RicksPlace]

Who do you choose from this list (all in their primes):

Lebron
Garnett
Duncan
Dwight
Tony Allen
Durant
Bowen


How about nobody? Yes, that's how good he was during his prime, but if I had to choose, I would somebody smaller with quick hands and with the necessary defensive skills like Bruce Bowen. The rest are not good options.

[Marchesk]

Kevin Love

[qrich]

Cuttino Mobley baffled Dirk when he was on the Clips.

Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson as well during the post season.

[JohnMax]

Nick Collison

[Dr Hawk]

KG

[Ca$H]

Peak Pippen

[RicksPlace]

Nick Collison

Good choice. He always gave him problems.

[DCL]

I believe rodman would had defended dirk pretty well. dirk mostly had trouble with smaller and physical defenders. the game plan is to not even let him get the ball. Kg didn't defend him like that. and dirk just shot over him all day.

[ArbitraryWater]

KG?

Raped in playoffs, and here, scenario OP is talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKiON_H9ra0

[Pointguard]

Dirk has absolutely raped peak KG time after time.

Especially 01-02. Dirk swept KG and dropped 33.3/15.7 on 53/73/90 :oldlol:

but okay, he wouldn't have gotten a shot off.. sure.
KG wasn't guarding him. And KG held Dirk down the majority of his prime when he did guard him.

[Droid101]

Probably prime Artest.

[warriorfan]

Stephen Jackson :lol

[Pointguard]

Tmac really gave Dirk problems in the playoffs. I don't understand how Bowen didn't do a better job given the problems Tmac and Stephen Jackson gave him.

Pippen in his prime would have been the best.

[CavaliersFTW]

Bill Russell.

I've got footage of him Blocking Wilt's fade-away face up without any help defense. Wilt faded further and released his shot from higher up even than Dirk's. It's a shot that is not going to be blocked in most situations, even if a small guard shoots it let alone a big. But if there's one guy that had a fighting chance to smother that shot one on one, it's definitely Russell. He's the only player I've seen block that shot on more than one occasion and one of those times like I said, was against Wilt so he's probably got the best shot at pushing that ball back in Dirks face.

[Solefade]

a fully committed to defense LeBron

[scm5]

Rodman would get under his skin i think.

[TheMarkMadsen]

KG wasn't guarding him. And KG held Dirk down the majority of his prime when he did guard him.


came here to post this after reading TLP's post.. surprised it took so long for somebody to speak up on this

[T_L_P]

came here to post this after reading TLP's post.. surprised it took so long for somebody to speak up on this

Only seen games 1 and 3 of the series, but Garnett guarded Dirk on a number of possessions

The other times he was pitched between the elbow and the three-point line, or guarding Finley (who shot a 50/50/93 himself).

Garnett was in his athletic prime in 02. I've seen a lot people excuse his defense on Dirk and Finley that series because "he had to guard everyone", but he should have started by trying to shut down the guy who'd end up averaging 33/16/.689 TS% on his team.

If you want to stop Dirk for one shot, you pick an athletic SF/PF bruiser, ala Artest or Rodman.

[raiderfan19]

Tmac really gave Dirk problems in the playoffs. I don't understand how Bowen didn't do a better job given the problems Tmac and Stephen Jackson gave him.

Pippen in his prime would have been the best.
Tmac didn't give dirk any more problems than Jackson did. The truth is no one player has ever bothered dirk much. Like most great scorers it takes a team defense to guard dirk.

The person Iv seen give him the most problems is honestly thiago splitter. Dirk she obviously been older since he's been in the league but dirk has consistently struggled against splitter.

Dirk owned kg.

[Teanett]

Stephen Jackson of course

[SHAQisGOAT]

I believe rodman would had defended dirk pretty well. dirk mostly had trouble with smaller and physical defenders. the game plan is to not even let him get the ball. Kg didn't defend him like that. and dirk just shot over him all day.

Forgot abot Dennis... Great choice too.

[Genaro]

With only 3s I would go with D12 to bother his shot.
For a whole game I would go with someone shorter that would be able to ball deny him.

[tamaraw08]

Anthony DAvis

[sportjames23]

LOL everybody still using their own lists in this thread (and the MJ one).

**** it. :oldlol:

[raiderfan19]

Anthony DAvis
Perfect physically. Too fundamentally unsound though. Old man dirk gave Davis 40 last year(and I was at the game and Davis was guarding him a lot) Davis is massively overrated as a defender right now.

[raiderfan19]

I'm surprised no one has at least mentioned udonis haslem, james posey or ryan Bowen. None of those would be my picks but given dirks playoff history they deserve a shout.

[SCdac]

Loved the way McDyess guarded Dirk the year before Mavs won the championship, physical and close. Agreed with Rodman. Especially if it was 90's rules

[SCdac]

I'm surprised no one has at least mentioned udonis haslem, james posey or ryan Bowen. None of those would be my picks but given dirks playoff history they deserve a shout.

good picks for sure

[raiderfan19]

Iv watched basically every game dirk has ever played. A lot of how well someone defends him is how the refs call the game. The difference between physical defense and stupid fouls putting an all time elite ft shooter on the line is just the refs interpretation.

[Jameerthefear]

Dwight or KG

[kenny817]

Dirk destroyed prime Wolves KG over...and over...and over...and over...and over again

[Pointguard]

Dirk destroyed prime Wolves KG over...and over...and over...and over...and over again
Name one game you seen and this happened. Just once where KG was guarding him. In their prime KG even outscored Dirk in their matchups. In the playoffs he wasn't guarding him.

[raiderfan19]

Name one game you seen and this happened. Just once where KG was guarding him. In their prime KG even outscored Dirk in their matchups. In the playoffs he wasn't guarding him.
Your right he was guarding raef lafrentz and Eduardo najera... Because they quickly found out he couldn't guard dirk.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Your right he was guarding raef lafrentz and Eduardo najera... Because they quickly found out he couldn't guard dirk.


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

KG didn't guard Dirk because KG was Minny's only rim protector and Dirk doesn't play like a traditional PF.. if KG was assigned to go guard Dirk on the perimeter/ high post the Wolves would be left without any rim protection..

[Pointguard]

Tmac didn't give dirk any more problems than Jackson did. The truth is no one player has ever bothered dirk much. Like most great scorers it takes a team defense to guard dirk.

The person Iv seen give him the most problems is honestly thiago splitter. Dirk she obviously been older since he's been in the league but dirk has consistently struggled against splitter.


Tmac really did a number on him and it was slowed down Tmac, had him below 30% shooting. And he averaged only 21ppg while hitting his prime. And it was over a seven game span.
.[/quote]


Dirk owned kg

:lol You guys always say this but leave the thread when proving times comes. Dirk was a perimeter player then, KG had 19 rebounds per game. You need little else to understand he wasn't guarding him. Dirk can't own people because he doesn't play defense. You can't own something half way.

[Pointguard]

Your right he was guarding raef lafrentz and Eduardo najera... Because they quickly found out he couldn't guard dirk.
Wrong again they played a zone, because they needed Garnet's rebounding. Dirk was too perimeter of a player to waste a 7 footer on him.

[raiderfan19]

Wrong again they played a zone, because they needed Garnet's rebounding. Dirk was too perimeter of a player to waste a 7 footer on him.
You realize garnett was playing the top of the zone when he was in the zone.

[inclinerator]

lebron james

[raiderfan19]

Ryan Bowen guarded dirk more than tmac in that rockets series. The fact that dirk had bronchitis also bothered him more than either.

[kenny817]

Name one game you seen and this happened. Just once where KG was guarding him. In their prime KG even outscored Dirk in their matchups. In the playoffs he wasn't guarding him.

I've been a Mavs fan for 20 years.

You and the hard on you have for KG can get the hell on yo

[kenny817]

Wrong again they played a zone, because they needed Garnet's rebounding. Dirk was too perimeter of a player to waste a 7 footer on him.

LOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL IS THAT WHY?

LMAO GOTTA LOVE ISH POSTERS AND THEIR EXCUSES

[sd3035]

KG has always been an absolute garbage defender, and was prison raped by Dirk many times

Durant is the obvious choice

[TheMarkMadsen]

here you go PointGuard, this should shut them up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHdTYU-lGpw

Dirk with 39 points (highest scoring game of the series) and not a single point is scored on KG..

Wolves are in zone.. like you had mentioned..

gets majority of his points off Chauncey Billups and Joe Smith

[raiderfan19]

here you go PointGuard, this should shut them up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHdTYU-lGpw

Dirk with 39 points (highest scoring game of the series) and not a single point is scored on KG..

Wolves are in zone.. like you had mentioned..

gets majority of his points off Chauncey Billups and Joe Smith
The first two buckets are on kg

[TheMarkMadsen]

The first two buckets are on kg

:lol :facepalm

the first shot is a fastbreak and KG just steps up to take the guy with the ball because nobody else was

2nd bucket KG isn't even guarding Dirk, helps on the drive at the last second

2/39 points on KG

Wolves in the zone in the entire time..

[raiderfan19]

You do realize that guarding someone in transition is still guarding someone.

[TheMarkMadsen]

You do realize that guarding someone in transition is still guarding someone.

ok that's 2 out of 39 points. KG wasn't guarding him, Wolves were in zone

[tpols]

You do realize that guarding someone in transition is still guarding someone.

You do realize thread is talking a brief 3 second 1v1 encounter ? It's pretty unfair to compare KG having to anchor an otherwise shitty defense against prime nash dirk Finley Jamison to what KG would've been able to do in a iso situation where he has back up and is fully focused on man defense and shutting somebody down rather than having to worry about helping a whole lot Like he had to in that series.

[raiderfan19]

That team didn't have Jamison. We've seen dirk shit on kg in basically that situation earlier in this thread.

Btw if I remember correctly you are a spurs fan right? If you watch the dirk vs Timmy video in the related videos it shows some nice highlights of young athletic Timmy dunking on people off the dribble in the mavs spurs series from that year.

[Dro]

Rodman

[tamaraw08]

Perfect physically. Too fundamentally unsound though. Old man dirk gave Davis 40 last year(and I was at the game and Davis was guarding him a lot) Davis is massively overrated as a defender right now.

that was last year, A lot has happened. I mean a LOT.

[Pointguard]

You realize garnett was playing the top of the zone when he was in the zone.
Really, with 19 rebounds per game. I never saw that and it's a crazy statement.

[Pointguard]

The first two buckets are on kg
Both plays were before the defense got set. It should be obvious to you that you he wasn't assigned to him. Do you need more evidence? Without the video you guys would have stuck with this nonsense.

[BarberSchool]

Dirk had two primes:

Skill/mental prime:

See 2011 championship season:
Ideal Defender:
Bill Russell

Why? Dirk wasnt physically quick at this point, but had his one on one puppetry, his jumpshot, and his footwork and fakes, honed to a point few players have ever had theirs. Russell had the length, patience, and intelligence do do a better job bothering dirk's shots, and not biting on his fakes, than any defender I can imagine.

Physical prime:
See: 2003-2006
Ideal defender
Dennis Rodman
Dirk was, believe it or not, one of the quicker 7 footers in the league at this point, and overall very agile before all the ankle and knee injuries made him more stiff. He was also one of the best ball handling bigs too, and ran the floor very well. Rodman's foot speed and transition d would be needed, as would his annoyingly pesky on the ball presence.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Against prime Dirk you need great ball-denial, a defender with quickness, good footwork and the ability to recover fast after any attempts to contest a shot, you need a tall player with length and quick hands, strong too but not super-strong close to a Karl Malone or something (needs to have plenty of mobility), a dude with great defensive instincts/IQ and willingness to put his body on the line, who can cover the outside but also the post, who can even do it in transition, who can also create TO's and block some shots, plus stays active on the boards without giving up his assignement... That's why, imo, peak Bobby Jones is the best choice here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7nxOhaqZlE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NxCr-3L8J4