2006 Wade or 2009 Kobe?

[Wade's Rings]

Great Playoff runs wrapped up with a Championship & Finals MVP.

Wade
RS: 27/6/7/2/.8 shooting 49%
PS: 28/6/6/2/1 shooting 50%
Finals vs Mavs(12th Best Defense): 35/8/4/3/1 shooting 47%
3rd Round vs Pistons(5th Best Defense): 27/5/5/2/1.5 shooting 62%
2nd Round vs Nets(4th Best Defense): 26/6/7/2/.6 shooting 49%
1st Round vs Bulls(6th Best Defense): 25/4/7/2/1.3 shooting 44%

Kobe
RS: 27/5/5/1.5/.5 shooting 47%
PS: 30/5/6/1.7/1 shooting 46%
Finals vs Magic(1st Best Defense): 32/6/7/1.4/1.4 shooting 43%
3rd Round vs Nuggets(8th Best Defense): 34/6/6/1/.5 shooting 48%
2nd Round vs Rockets(4th Best Defense): 27/5/4/2/1.3 shooting 45%
1st Round vs Jazz(12th Best Defense):27/5/6/2/.4 shooting 47%

Who had the better Overall Year factoring in Regular Season + Playoffs?

[JohnFreeman]

Wade

[Magic 32]

Wade

Do you have an automated message board shortcut on your keyboard that gives the anti-Kobe response every time?

[JohnFreeman]

Do you have an automated message board shortcut on your keyboard that gives the anti-Kobe response every time?
Actually Wade just had the better finals run. Sorry.

[SouBeachTalents]

Do you have an automated message board shortcut on your keyboard that gives the anti-Kobe response every time?

Lol, same can be said with you and LeBron

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Gotta go wade here, but Kobe had a great season as well.

:applause:

[Magic 32]

Actually Wade just had the better finals run. Sorry.

Yes, clearly these stats are enough to ignore the rest of the season and playoffs...

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[Magic 32]

Lol, same can be said with you and LeBron

Well Lebron is Hitler, so surely you can understand my bias.

[JohnFreeman]

Wade played great defense as well

[Bigsmoke]

Mmhmmmm

Kobe

[Papaya Petee]

Wade. Kobe would have cried versing the Pistons.

[Magic 32]

Wade. Kobe would have cried versing the Pistons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nh-5ddQpfU

Finals preview.....without the endless FT's.

[TheMarkMadsen]

why did you round up Wade's playoff numbers and not Kobe's?

[aj1987]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nh-5ddQpfU

Finals preview.....without the endless FT's.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobe averaged 14 FT's a game against the Pistons in 2 games that season.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Wade.

Kobe's damage control squad already here.

[Heavincent]

Kobe

[Magic 32]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobe averaged 14 FT's a game against the Pistons in 2 games that season.

When Wade scored over 36 points (the last 4 games), he averaged 18.3 FT's per game.

That is pure madness.

Kobe shot 13 FT's and scored 40 points.

[Prime_Shaq]

Would take Kobe till the Finals then Wade.

[Magic 32]

Would take Kobe till the Finals then Wade.

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1395/71/1395713206778.jpg

[Prime_Shaq]

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1395/71/1395713206778.jpg
Thanks.

[dreamwarrior]

Wade
RS: 41/6/2/.8 shooting 49%
PS: 40/6/2/1 shooting 50%
Finals: 43/8/3/1 shooting 47%
3rd Round vs Pistons(5th Best Defense): 37/5/2/1.5 shooting 62%
2nd Round vs Nets(4th Best Defense): 40/6/2/.6 shooting 49%
1st Round vs Bulls(6th Best Defense): 39/4/2/1.3 shooting 44%

Kobe
RS: 37/5/1.5/.5 shooting 47%
PS: 40/5/1.7/1 shooting 46%
Finals: 46/5/1.4/1.4 shooting 43%
3rd Round vs Nuggets(8th Best Defense): 46/6/1/.5 shooting 48%
2nd Round vs Rockets(4th Best Defense): 35/5/2/1.3 shooting 45%
1st Round vs Jazz(12th Best Defense):39/5/2/.4 shooting 47%

Who had the better Overall Year factoring in Regular Season + Playoffs?[/QUOTE]

I'll take Kobe when you factor in assists for points production.

[Wade's Rings]

why did you round up Wade's playoff numbers and not Kobe's?

.1-.5 I rounded down. .6-.9 I rounded up. I'll go back and fix any I may have messed up on.

[Papaya Petee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nh-5ddQpfU

Finals preview.....without the endless FT's.
Would you like to compare Kobes playoff history vs the Pistons to Wades?

[KobesFinger]

Where did the Mavs rank defensively?

[Cold soul]

Kobe but the Finals Wade had in 2006 is arguably better than any of Kobe performances.

[Dresta]

Wade's season was just better tbh, the whole way through. What's this rubbish about just 'the finals' - he was awesome the from December onwards (excepting the last few weeks of the regular season), and in every round of the playoffs except the first (where he was still 25/5/7/2/1 on 44%).

Scoring 27ppg on 62% against the Pistons is just absurd.

[Artillery]

Wade EASILY.

Kobe had one of the easiest runs to a title in NBA history. 2009 was the only year the West had a losing record vs the East in the past 15 years. The competition was absolute shit in a conference that's usually stacked...all the elite teams from the mid 2000s were rebuilding their rosters on the fly(Spurs, Mavs, Suns). As a result, you had joke teams like the Nuggets making the conference Finals(every other year they failed to make it out of the first round). The teams that were actually good in 2009 were injured come playoff time. The champs were missing their best player in Garnett. Rockets were missing their best player in Yao - they were led by Aaron Brooks in the playoffs. Injured Jazz team. Injured Magic team in the Finals whose first option on offense was Hedo Turkoglu:facepalm,

Wade beat some credible opponents - 64 win Pistons team that was coming off back-to-back Finals appearances. Billups, Hamilton, Prince, Rasheed, and Ben. Beat a Nets team that featured the Kidd, Vince, and RJ trio back when they were all good. A 60 win Mavs team with one of best scorers in NBA history in Dirk.

[HOoopCityJones]

I'll take Kobe.

[greatest-ever]

Id give Wade a slight edge, i think his motor was a bit better as well as his defense. I also think Wade's playoff run was a little better even though the it may not seem like by just glancing at the raw numbers.

[Ne 1]

Bryant. He paced himself throughout the season and he still led L.A. to 65 wins while putting up numbers that were on par with Wade's. Kobe's defense was also better and he was a more versatile, well rounded player. Kobe could beat you in the post, on 3's and his mid-range shot was superior to 2006 Wade's. Wade was better at getting to the basket, but Kobe was the better scorer.

Wade did easily have the better Finals performance, but Kobe's entire playoff run was at least as good, especially considering that as good as Gasol was he was no Shaq. Don't forget that Shaq nearly won an MVP the year before the Heat won the title and his per minute production was on par with that season. Shaq averaged 20, 9, 2 and 2 on 60% shooting in less than 31 minutes per game and in the conference finals he averaged 22 and 11 with over 2 blocks per game on 66% shooting.

I have an appreciation for Gasol's game, but Shaq was more of a force and was a leader of a 3-peat team in his own right. Kobe was a veteran himself and along with Fisher he was expected to provide all of the leadership for the young players. Wade at least had a lot of veterans like Shaq, Zo and Gary Payton.

Don't get me wrong though, Wade was incredible, especially late in games when he seemed to always hit the big shot vs Dallas or Detroit.

[ArbitraryWater]

Bryant. He paced himself throughout the season and he still led L.A. to 65 wins while putting up numbers that were on par with Wade's. Kobe's defense was also better and he was a more versatile, well rounded player. Kobe could beat you in the post, on 3's and his mid-range shot was superior to 2006 Wade's. Wade was better at getting to the basket, but Kobe was the better scorer.

Wade did easily have the better Finals performance, but Kobe's entire playoff run was at least as good, especially considering that as good as Gasol was he was no Shaq. Don't forget that Shaq nearly won an MVP the year before the Heat won the title and his per minute production was on par with that season. Shaq averaged 20, 9, 2 and 2 on 60% shooting in less than 31 minutes per game and in the conference finals he averaged 22 and 11 with over 2 blocks per game on 66% shooting.

I have an appreciation for Gasol's game, but Shaq was more of a force and was a leader of a 3-peat team in his own right. Kobe was a veteran himself and along with Fisher he was expected to provide all of the leadership for the young players. Wade at least had a lot of veterans like Shaq, Zo and Gary Payton.

Don't get me wrong though, Wade was incredible, especially late in games when he seemed to always hit the big shot vs Dallas or Detroit.

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2009 Gasol > 2006 Shaq EASY

This dude talking about 2005 Shaq and the Shaq that led the 3-peat Lakers :roll:

Why are you so blatantly lying to yourself? You know 2006 Shaq was a different Shaq, just admit Kobe had more help.

[Ne 1]

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2009 Gasol > 2006 Shaq EASY

This dude talking about 2005 Shaq and the Shaq that led the 3-peat Lakers :roll:

Why are you so blatantly lying to yourself? You know 2006 Shaq was a different Shaq, just admit Kobe had more help.

I'm not lying to myself. My honest opinion is that Shaq in 2006 was definitely closer to Wade's level than Gasol was to Kobe's level in 2009.

Don't underrate Shaq's impact on the Heat. He put up 20/9/2/2 on 60% shooting on his way to his 4th ring. Those are excellent numbers, sure 2006 was the worst season of his career up to that point. However his impact still went far beyond numbers as impressive as some of those numbers still were.

In the 21 games that Shaq missed and Wade played, the Heat were 10-11. This shows how essential Shaq was to the Heat's success, despite the fact that Wade's Finals performance causes fans to wrongly assume that Wade won the finals by himself. In fact, Shaq's presence was a big reason why Wade was so dominant. Avery Johnson set out to make sure that Shaq didn't dominate the series and beat them. To prevent this from occurring, Johnson constantly doubled Shaq. Shaq was solid in the series averaging a double double with about 3 assists per game on 61% shooting. But he also stepped aside and let Wade take over. In the conference finals, Shaq put up the superstar numbers we expect vs a Pistons frontline that included that year's defensive player of the year and 4-time winner, Ben Wallace as well as Rasheed Wallace another fine defender. 22 ppg 11 rpg 2 bpg and 66% shooting.

In the 21 games without Shaq, Wade did average 28/6/6 but he shot 44%. Well below the 52% he shot with Shaq in the lineup. This is why the Heat were 42-17 with Shaq, a winning percentage that equates to 58-59 wins over an 82 game season. Even with Wade, they weren't even a .500 team without Shaq. I personally think that Shaq was every bit as important to that Heat team as Wade was. Center's numbers often go beyond stats (particularly since the rule changes) due to many factors such as double teams, the ability to get easy baskets and intimidation in the paint. 2006 Shaq was a perfect example of all of these and there's no doubt that he made his teammates better.

[dubeta]

Wade and Kobe debates are tough, it's like picking the better of the two evils.

[chazzy]

Would you like to compare Kobes playoff history vs the Pistons to Wades?
implying the 04 pistons were the same as the 06, post rule changes pistons.

[dh144498]

Wade and Kobe debates are tough, it's like picking the better of the two evils.

yeah. But both are better than Lebron that's for sure.

[Wade's Rings]

Where did the Mavs rank defensively?

12th


yeah. But both are better than Lebron that's for sure.

:oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

Wade and it isnt remotely close.

[Badazzwriter]

:coleman:

[SamuraiSWISH]

implying the 04 pistons were the same as the 06, post rule changes pistons.
No, but sophomore Wade torched the 2005 Pistons in the ECF before injury.

A team which wasn't all that worse compared to the 2004 team. In essence the same team that put Kobe in a straight jacket the season prior.

The 2006 Pistons > the 2007 Pistons LeBron put the 48 special on.

[NZStreetBaller]

09 kobe did it without shaq.

06 wade did not

Apparentlly championships with shaq dont count