Are you sold on the Celtics future?

[Duderonomy]

They have some extra draft picks and a good coach but no current franchise player. I'm not ready to think they will be a eastern conference contender in the next few years.

[LiLharvard]

This coming from a nets fan. Location: rebuilding

[hawksdogsbraves]

They don't have a lot in terms of a franchise foundation yet, but Smart seems like he could be pretty good. Luckily they have a million picks and a very good young coach.

They'll need to make a splash in FA or really strike gold with some of these picks to become a real contender though, there's not that much talent there atm.

[Mawly-G]

They need to try and pry Kevin Love away from the Cavs. I'd love to see him in Boston.

[MMM]

Yeah I'm concerned with not having a franchise player but with all the luck that goes into acquiring a star I like the flexibility of having cap, picks, moveable trade chips.

I feel like over the next few seasons we can be a bigger FA target than the past, and Coach Stevens might be able to play a role in that.

[Real Men Wear Green]

What do you mean by "sold?" No one is going to be talking about winning the EC when the team doesn't have a guy we can be sure is a future All-Star. But if the team is contending for the playoffs now then it's reasonable to think the team can be respectable in the future when the extra draft picks should raise the talent level.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Stevens is on his way to becoming the GOAT so that's a nice place to start.

[LiLharvard]

What do you mean by "sold?" No one is going to be talking about winning the EC when the team doesn't have a guy we can be sure is a future All-Star. But if the team is contending for the playoffs now then it's reasonable to think the team can be respectable in the future when the extra draft picks should raise the talent level.

Meanwhile, Isaiah thomas is 10/14FG 4/63PT for 34pts and 6 assists carrying the celtics on his back against an in form Pistons team at the palace. :cheers:

[Prime_Shaq]

Future? Their time is now... Celtics 2015 champs

[Wally450]

They don't have a lot in terms of a franchise foundation yet, but Smart seems like he could be pretty good. Luckily they have a million picks and a very good young coach.

They'll need to make a splash in FA or really strike gold with some of these picks to become a real contender though, there's not that much talent there atm.

Pretty much exactly what I was going to say. Catch fire like the Thunders draft picks some years back and you'll have a great foundation and be contenders for years to come.

[bigt]

The rebuild has definitely been shaken up by this second half run, but Boston's still a long way off from doing anything. I expect Ainge will try and pry a star away with a big trade loaded with first rounders to mix with some smart but not necessarily blockbuster FA signings (they've never really lured the big names through FA). Hopefully that combined with some solid growth from guys like Marcus Smart and in 3-4 years I think the Celtics could begin to be a real contender.

If it were me I'd be targeting Boogie. Might be able to pry him away if it doesn't work between him and Karl. Admittedly building around Smart and Boogie could be dangerous from a maturity perspective, but I think our real ace in the hole in Brad Stevens can guide them through. I don't think anyone on the team should be exempt from trade if the right offer came along though

[Real Men Wear Green]

I want Gerald Green back.

[imdaman99]

With that coach, how could you not be? They don't have a star yet they are right there to make the playoffs. Hate the Celtics, but much respect :applause: to that coach and that team for fighting through this year even though their GM tried to tank :roll:

[cltcfn2924]

With that coach, how could you not be? They don't have a star yet they are right there to make the playoffs. Hate the Celtics, but much respect :applause: to that coach and that team for fighting through this year even though their GM tried to tank :roll:


You really think coach and GM are on different pages? In what universe? How do you attract a FA of any consequence, or trade for a star on a constantly rebuilding team?

[TheMilkyBarKid]

I am now it looks like Stevens will be around for a while.

They should feature him in their recruitment pitch to target FAs.

Also the fact they are practically swimming in draft picks means they may be able to make a few good trades this offseason.

[Hittin_Shots]

Add Leonard and Gasol in off season and I say we contending next season. Wishful thinking?

[bigt]

Add Leonard and Gasol in off season and I say we contending next season. Wishful thinking?

Yeah unfortunately, I don't see either leaving their teams

[StephHamann]

Celts should throw the max to Draymond Green.

Also try to get Asik or another solid big.

[Genaro]

Celtics are on the right path. They got a great coach, draft picks, future cap space and some good young players (who could also be assets to trade)

But we know that in this league you need star power to contend so they need to either make a trade, draft someone really good or sign some FA.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

The picks will be used in trades imo rather than taking actual players, unless BKN really falls off (possible if Lopez leaves this offseason, but then if they have cap room in 2016 I expect them to make a splash).

As it is this year, if it stays the same we'll have 16, 25, 33 and 46 (plus we get Washingtons pick if it falls 50+, which would require getting the 4 seed as it stands). Can't expect any value at 46, though Jerebko was taken 39th and Isaiah 60th. 33 I imagine the Celts will try to trade into the late 1st round to a team with cap constraints who might not want to pay a guaranteed contract to a 1st rounder (I'm looking at you, GSW).

The obvious guy I'd be interested in moving up for is Cauley-Stein, but DraftExpress has him at 6, and I don't think any of our picks (including future picks) would be enough to get him. I don't know enough about the mid round prospects to comment on them, but if Ainge is looking for an immediate impact guy it'll need to be a Centre.

Long term, I think the plan is clearly to swing for stars when they are available via trade. Love I don't see happening, Cousins is probably a pipe dream (especially if IT4 is still around), and Kawhi and Draymond are unlikely to be moving any time soon (even though they would be PERFECT).

[salwan]

we have a very good collection of role players (sans really good 3-point shooters).
what we need now is 2 star players.

how do you get these players?
a) via the draft
b) via free agency
c) via a star player getting available for trade (e.g. a Melo, Love, D12, KG situation)
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a) doesn't look realistic, since we are not bad enough to get a top 5 pick. not sure if the nets can implode enough to grant us said high pick.
b) the real superstar level players (KD, westbrook) will probably choose the likes of miami, LA etc. rather than the celtics. however, I'm quite sure we can pick up legit starters, maybe even under-the-radar all-star level types like Millsap.
c) this is our best chance to acquire a star player, since we can offer a team a nice package of picks and prospects. I'm talking about a sign-and-trade for Love, maybe even Boogieeeeeeeeeeeeee :D

to conclude, the celtics need to be really smart and get a few huge beaks to evolve into a contender. I can see them becoming a respectable 3rd-4th seed in a few years' time. however, only if they can somehow land a superstar or develope a hawks-like situation they can realistically become a legit contender

[JohnnySic]

Future? Their time is now... Celtics 2015 champs
This guy gets it. :applause:

[Darius]

They have a better set of cards than a number of rebuilding teams but tbd how they play them

[Rolando]

Boston has a great front office and a first class coach. They will make things happen in the next year or two.

Yes, I am sold!

[Magic731]

I'm just waiting for them to lose a close game next season and everyone gets the pitchforks out for Stevens... It's bound to happen, people flip flop on coaches all the time. I'm going to bookmark this thread in fact.

Disclaimer: I think Stevens is a good coach. It's just amazing at how fast people can turn on head coaches after a rough stretch.

[Hittin_Shots]

I'm just waiting for them to lose a close game next season and everyone gets the pitchforks out for Stevens... It's bound to happen, people flip flop on coaches all the time. I'm going to bookmark this thread in fact.

Disclaimer: I think Stevens is a good coach. It's just amazing at how fast people can turn on head coaches after a rough stretch.

The guys last play calls are awesome.

https://youtu.be/g2fMon9TQOo

https://vine.co/v/O9ebQrDPiVT

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D68sxl04Mcw

There's several more but phone about to die.

[Duderonomy]

This coming from a nets fan. Location: rebuilding
Yeah dude I stick with my team through thick and thin. I never compared their future to the Nets.

Another thing to consider is once they get an all-star caliber player, how will Stevens deal with his ego.
Celts have the PG spot locked up, so where decide to upgrade will be interesting.

[Mawly-G]

I think that the Celtics are a star player away from being a perennial playoff team. They have a great coach, and some nice pieces here and there, but they just lack that one superstar to elevate them to the next level. If they were to get two players of that caliber to add to what they already have, then they could become title contenders.

[ProfessorMurder]

They should throw the max at Kawhi or Monroe. Or even sign and trade for one of them.

[Mawly-G]

They should throw the max at Kawhi or Monroe. Or even sign and trade for one of them.
A defensive tandem of Avery Bradley & Kawhi Leonard on the perimeter would be unstoppable.

[salwan]

They should throw the max at Kawhi or Monroe. Or even sign and trade for one of them.

no doubt regarding kawhi. unfortunately spurs gonna match anything that gets thrown at them.
plus, kawhi is not going to leave san antonio. at least while pop is still there. he seems too much like a pop type down-to-earth guy with integrity to leave.


not sure about using the max on monroe. :lol
no defense, no rim protection, no range on his shot.
he rebounds, has nice post moves and finishes at the hoop.
don't think that he's THE guy

[mehyaM24]

i've liked thomas since his rookie season, when he was basically outplaying tyreke evans - i think he's somewhat underrated & underpaid.

i.t is a mini beast.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

no doubt regarding kawhi. unfortunately spurs gonna match anything that gets thrown at them.
plus, kawhi is not going to leave san antonio. at least while pop is still there. he seems too much like a pop type down-to-earth guy with integrity to leave.


not sure about using the max on monroe. :lol
no defense, no rim protection, no range on his shot.
he rebounds, has nice post moves and finishes at the hoop.
don't think that he's THE guy

Read Prof's post and was about to reply the last line word for word. I like him, played well offensively against the Cs last night, but I just don't quite see 'it' with him, whatever 'it' is.

[bigt]

no doubt regarding kawhi. unfortunately spurs gonna match anything that gets thrown at them.
plus, kawhi is not going to leave san antonio. at least while pop is still there. he seems too much like a pop type down-to-earth guy with integrity to leave.


not sure about using the max on monroe. :lol
no defense, no rim protection, no range on his shot.
he rebounds, has nice post moves and finishes at the hoop.
don't think that he's THE guy

Would a Monroe max look that bad in a couple of years when the cap explodes? If you're going to throw too much money at a guy, this off season's probably the to do it on. Not necessarily saying they should, but it's not as bad as usual

[Eric Cartman]

Am I sold on the Celtics future?

Is the Pope catholic and making the world safer for pedophiles?

[Derka]

Were off to a good start but there's a long way to go.

[MMM]

They were a bottom 3 team in the conference at one time and since only Cleveland and Atlanta have won more gamed. Not sure if that means much but it is a nice place to build off for next season.

[Rolando]

Just based off the guys on the team now, how young they are, and factoring in a bit of improvement in each; I see the Celtics as the 5th seed in the East next year easily. This is without any changes whatsoever.

[ProfessorMurder]

Would a Monroe max look that bad in a couple of years when the cap explodes? If you're going to throw too much money at a guy, this off season's probably the to do it on. Not necessarily saying they should, but it's not as bad as usual

This. This or next year is the year to throw a max at people.

Plus, the Celtics need a center so badly it's crazy. Sign and trade Monroe for a pick/Sully/Crash, whatever that equals.

Celtics need somebody to freaking play center. I think Monroe would produce much more when he's not next to Drummond and Smif.

Asik/RoLo/Brook/Monroe... Put any of those four guys with Kelly floating around and you've got something decent.


Also, if Pop/Duncan/Manu are outtie Kawhi could jet. Not happening, but I can hope!

[JGXEN]

This. This or next year is the year to throw a max at people.

Plus, the Celtics need a center so badly it's crazy. Sign and trade Monroe for a pick/Sully/Crash, whatever that equals.

Celtics need somebody to freaking play center. I think Monroe would produce much more when he's not next to Drummond and Smif.

Asik/RoLo/Brook/Monroe... Put any of those four guys with Kelly floating around and you've got something decent.


Also, if Pop/Duncan/Manu are outtie Kawhi could jet. Not happening, but I can hope!
you've given up on sully already? do you think that olynyk is better for the C's than sully?

[ProfessorMurder]

you've given up on sully already? do you think that olynyk is better for the C's than sully?
I like Sully and his rebounding, but if they're paying for a stretch 4 to shoot threes and play on the perimeter Kelly is better. Sully's weight also scares me, especially with the foot and back stuff.

He's basically a Big Baby 2.0 stats-wise, but with less hustle.

I think he's a better trade piece than Kelly as well. Sell high.



That might all be a bit harsh. I like him, but don't think he's a long term answer.

[HurricaneKid]

Celtics don't have a top 150 player on their team and only one guy that really projects to getting there. And even that will be close (Smart).

You just can't win like that. Sneak into the POs in the East, sure. But compete for a chip? Not even close.

[HurricaneKid]

Read Prof's post and was about to reply the last line word for word. I like him, played well offensively against the Cs last night, but I just don't quite see 'it' with him, whatever 'it' is.

It is that he is a FA that is likely going to change teams. I don't know why people think Kawhi and the like are even worth discussing.

I don't think the Celts would be able to bring in Deandre or BKnight at the max. So what do you do? Keep playing with over matched mediocre talent or overpay FAs?

[ProfessorMurder]

It is that he is a FA that is likely going to change teams. I don't know why people think Kawhi and the like are even worth discussing.

Make them match the contract, hurt their other signings. :confusedshrug:

[GOBB]

Celtics should go after Demarcus Cousins.

As far as sold on future? Not sure, they are in a good position like my Sixers when it comes to assets. They have a bit more talent then us but as far as draft picks they are in position to make some big moves if they choose too. They really dont need all the picks. Could be used to secure a stud player.

I want to see how this all plays out tho.

[bigt]

This. This or next year is the year to throw a max at people.

Plus, the Celtics need a center so badly it's crazy. Sign and trade Monroe for a pick/Sully/Crash, whatever that equals.

Celtics need somebody to freaking play center. I think Monroe would produce much more when he's not next to Drummond and Smif.

Asik/RoLo/Brook/Monroe... Put any of those four guys with Kelly floating around and you've got something decent.


Also, if Pop/Duncan/Manu are outtie Kawhi could jet. Not happening, but I can hope!

I'd love if we could somehow get RoLo if Cousins is truly unavailable. He's not making any all star games but I think he's underrated. I'd prefer him over his brother if you factor in cost and injuries

[CelticBaller]

This coming from a nets fan. Location: rebuilding
rebuilding? lmao all their picks are ours, they are the blueprint for our skyscraper :oldlol: