Outside of Jordan and Kareem, pretty please, present your argument...

[KirbyPls]

...that any other player is higher on the GOAT list than the bane of my sports existence, Tim Duncan.

Between, ships, stats, longevity, accolades, advanced stats, eye test, intangibles, leadership, consistency (stats and results), and effective performance by age, it is hard for me to rank any other players, other than MJ and Kareem, over this guy,

And before we talk supporting casts, have some integrity, no one in the conversation played with scrubs while winning rings, especially not Russell or even Wilt.

Tell us ISH, why is TD not the 3rd or 4th GOAT by legit ISH metrics? :confusedshrug:

[FKAri]

The only time I saw this guy really take over a game was for a 10 minute stretch in 2007. /semi-srs.

[dubeta]

4 MVPs

27/7/7 on 50% career averages

100% FMVP ratio

2nd highest PER of all time

Only player to carry a team with D-League talent to the finals

[TheMan]

4 MVPs

27/7/7 on 50% career averages

100% FMVP ratio

2nd highest PER of all time

Only player to carry a team with D-League talent to the finals
:facepalm

[KirbyPls]

4 MVPs

27/7/7 on 50% career averages

100% FMVP ratio

2nd highest PER of all time

Only player to carry a team with D-League talent to the finals

I'm a bigger Lebron homer then you'll ever be. You're wrong (for now and likely always), but answer the question....


....and you miss the low-key agenda.

[Taller than CP3]

He's so good he can't even win 2 Rings in a row. He's so good Tony Parker became Finals MVP. He's so good a second year Kawhi Leonard became Finals MVP.

[Asukal]

...that any other player is higher on the GOAT list than the bane of my sports existence, Tim Duncan.

Between, ships, stats, longevity, accolades, advanced stats, eye test, intangibles, leadership, consistency (stats and results), and effective performance by age, it is hard for me to rank any other players, other than MJ and Kareem, over this guy,

And before we talk supporting casts, have some integrity, no one in the conversation played with scrubs while winning rings, especially not Russell or even Wilt.

Tell us ISH, why is TD is not the 3rd or 4th GOAT by legit ISH metrics. :confusedshrug:

If he wins a 6th ring this season, I'll give him the nod and put him 3rd or 4th in my list. Currently at 5th. :bowdown:

[dubeta]

If he wins a 6th ring this season, I'll give him the nod and put him 3rd or 4th in my list. Currently at 5th. :bowdown:

Good thing noone cares about your list

[KirbyPls]

If he wins a 6th ring this season, I'll give him the nod and put him 3rd or 4th in my list. Currently at 5th. :bowdown:

Yup. Exactly.

[Asukal]

Good thing noone cares about your list

Good thing no one cares about you. :whatever:

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe Bryant:
30+ point games: 425
40+ point games: 119
50+ point games: 24
60+ point games: 5
70+ point games: 1
80+ point games: 1



Tim Duncan:
30+ point games: 120
40+ point games: 5
50+ point games: 1
60+ point games: 0
70+ point games: 0
80+ point games: 0



a) Kobe has basically as many 40 point games as Duncan has 30 point games

b) Kobe has as many 60 point games as Duncan has 40 point games

c) Kobe has as many 80 point games as Duncan has 50 point games

d) Kobes 2 quarter record ( 55 ) is better than Duncans career high ( 53 )

e) Kobe has nearly as many consecutive 50+ point games ( 4 ) as Duncan has total 40+ point games in his career ( 5 )

f) Kobe has more consecutive 40+ point games ( 9 ) than Duncan has total 40+ point games in his entire lifespan ( 5 )



Kobe Bryant = 9 time first team all defense ( can make G/G )
Tim Duncan = 8 time first team all defense ( can make F/F/C ... had 17 more chances to make it )

Kobe is 4-2 career playoff series record vs Tim Duncan ( kobe beating duncan 3 times without home court advantage )



championship playoff averages:

Duncan: (P/R/A)
1999 - 23/11/2 ( With HOF Robinson )*******lockout
2003 - 24/15/5 ( with HOF Robinspn/Parker )
2005 - 23/12/2 ( with HOF Parker/Ginobili ) ginobili 20ppg on 60% finals
2007 - 22/11/3 ( with HOF Parker/Ginobili ) parker FMVP
2014 - 16/9/2 ( with HOF Parker/Ginobili and FMVP Leonard )

Kobe: (P/R/A)
2000 - 21/5/5 ( with HOF Shaq )
2001 - 29/7/6 ( with HOF shaq )
2002 - 27/6/5 ( with HOF shaq )
2009 - 30/5/5 ( no other top 50 player all time )
2010 - 30/6/5 ( no other top 50 player all time )

"i think hes the most talented player on both ends of the floor" - Gregg Popovich 2005 ( referring to Kobe Bryant )




http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/11090247/all-nba-players
kobe 7th, duncan 9th

Gold medal with Team USA, 2008 Summer Olympics[93]
****none for duncan*****


Gold medal with Team USA, 2012 Summer Olympics[93]
****none for duncan****


Sporting News NBA Athlete of the Decade (2000s)[94]
****not duncan****


TNT NBA Player of the Decade (2000s)[95]
****not duncan****


Sports Illustrated Top 20 Male Athlete of the Decade (2000s) #7 (the only NBA player in the top 10)[97]
****not duncan****


Ranked #1 in Dime Magazine's 2012 list of the top 10 greatest players since the year 2000 (published in the September 2012 issue)[99]
****not duncan****






kobe bryant
1997 - no legendary coach
1998 - no legendary coach
1999 - no legendary coach
2000 ( had all 3 )
2001 - no stacked roster
2002 - no stacked roster
2003 - no stacked roster
2004 ( had all 3 )
2005 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2006 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2008 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2009 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2010 - no top 50 all time sidekick
2011 - no top 50 all time sidekick
2012 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick
2013 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick
2014 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2015 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster




tim duncan
98 popovich/robinson 22/11/3 avrey/vinny/elliott/jackson/person
99 popovich/robinson 16/10/3 avrey/elliott/ellie/jackson/kerr/kersey/daniels
00 popovich/robinson 18/10/2 avery/ellie/porter/jackson/rose/daniels/elliott
01 popovich/robinson 15/9/2 anderson/daniels/elliott/rose/porter/avery/ferry
02 popovich/robinson 13/8/2 parker/smith/rose/daniels/bowen/porter/jackson
03 popovich/parker 15/5/3 robinson/ginobili/jackson/rose/bowen/smith/willis
04 popovich/parker 15/6/3 ginobili/hedo/rasho/rose/bowen/horry/mercer
05 popovich/parker 17/6/4 ginobili/glen/bruce/brent/rose/nazr/horry/beno
06 popovich/parker 19/6/3 ginobili/finley/bowen/nazr/brent/exel/horry/beno
07 popovich/parker 19/6/3 ginobili/finley/barry/white/bowen/horry/beno
08 popovich/parker 19/6/3 ginobili/finley/barry/bowen/oberto/bonner/vaughn
09 popovich/parker 22/7/3 ginobili/mason/gooden/finley/hill/bonner/bowen
10 popovich/parker 16/6/3 ginobili/hill/jefferson/blair/mason/mcdeyes/finley
11 popovich/parker 18/7/3 ginobili/hill/jefferson/neal/blair/mcdeyes/green
12 popovich/parker 18/8/3 ginobili/mills/neal/blair/splitter/jefferson/green
13 popovich/parker 20/8/3 Leonard/ginobili/green/splitter/neal/jackson/diaw
14 popovich/parker 17/6/2 Leonard/ginobili/marco/mills/diaw/green/splitter
15 popovich/parker 15/5/2 Leonard/ginobili/green/marco/diaw/splitter/mills



always

1. legendary coach
2. top 50 all time team mate
3. stacked roster







yet both get 5 titles.. even though duncans had way way way way more easy opportunities to get more



Kobe Bryant would never lose finals mvps to teammates like tony parker.... or especially a rookie




duncans choked away the top seed or number 1 record more times than anyone else in nba history


kobe has more 1st team all nba's
kobe has more 1st team all defense's
kobe has more consecutive allstar games
kobe has more nba finals appearences with the same titles


/thread

[dubeta]

Kobe Bryant:
30+ point games: 425
40+ point games: 119
50+ point games: 24
60+ point games: 5
70+ point games: 1
80+ point games: 1



Tim Duncan:
30+ point games: 120
40+ point games: 5
50+ point games: 1
60+ point games: 0
70+ point games: 0
80+ point games: 0



a) Kobe has basically as many 40 point games as Duncan has 30 point games

b) Kobe has as many 60 point games as Duncan has 40 point games

c) Kobe has as many 80 point games as Duncan has 50 point games

d) Kobes 2 quarter record ( 55 ) is better than Duncans career high ( 53 )

e) Kobe has nearly as many consecutive 50+ point games ( 4 ) as Duncan has total 40+ point games in his career ( 5 )

f) Kobe has more consecutive 40+ point games ( 9 ) than Duncan has total 40+ point games in his entire lifespan ( 5 )



Kobe Bryant = 9 time first team all defense ( can make G/G )
Tim Duncan = 8 time first team all defense ( can make F/F/C ... had 17 more chances to make it )

Kobe is 4-2 career playoff series record vs Tim Duncan ( kobe beating duncan 3 times without home court advantage )



championship playoff averages:

Duncan: (P/R/A)
1999 - 23/11/2 ( With HOF Robinson )*******lockout
2003 - 24/15/5 ( with HOF Robinspn/Parker )
2005 - 23/12/2 ( with HOF Parker/Ginobili ) ginobili 20ppg on 60% finals
2007 - 22/11/3 ( with HOF Parker/Ginobili ) parker FMVP
2014 - 16/9/2 ( with HOF Parker/Ginobili and FMVP Leonard )

Kobe: (P/R/A)
2000 - 21/5/5 ( with HOF Shaq )
2001 - 29/7/6 ( with HOF shaq )
2002 - 27/6/5 ( with HOF shaq )
2009 - 30/5/5 ( no other top 50 player all time )
2010 - 30/6/5 ( no other top 50 player all time )

"i think hes the most talented player on both ends of the floor" - Gregg Popovich 2005 ( referring to Kobe Bryant )




http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/11090247/all-nba-players
kobe 7th, duncan 9th

Gold medal with Team USA, 2008 Summer Olympics[93]
****none for duncan*****


Gold medal with Team USA, 2012 Summer Olympics[93]
****none for duncan****


Sporting News NBA Athlete of the Decade (2000s)[94]
****not duncan****


TNT NBA Player of the Decade (2000s)[95]
****not duncan****


Sports Illustrated Top 20 Male Athlete of the Decade (2000s) #7 (the only NBA player in the top 10)[97]
****not duncan****


Ranked #1 in Dime Magazine's 2012 list of the top 10 greatest players since the year 2000 (published in the September 2012 issue)[99]
****not duncan****






kobe bryant
1997 - no legendary coach
1998 - no legendary coach
1999 - no legendary coach
2000 ( had all 3 )
2001 - no stacked roster
2002 - no stacked roster
2003 - no stacked roster
2004 ( had all 3 )
2005 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2006 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2008 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2009 - no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2010 - no top 50 all time sidekick
2011 - no top 50 all time sidekick
2012 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick
2013 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick
2014 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster
2015 - no legendary coach, no top 50 all time sidekick, no stacked roster




tim duncan
98 popovich/robinson 22/11/3 avrey/vinny/elliott/jackson/person
99 popovich/robinson 16/10/3 avrey/elliott/ellie/jackson/kerr/kersey/daniels
00 popovich/robinson 18/10/2 avery/ellie/porter/jackson/rose/daniels/elliott
01 popovich/robinson 15/9/2 anderson/daniels/elliott/rose/porter/avery/ferry
02 popovich/robinson 13/8/2 parker/smith/rose/daniels/bowen/porter/jackson
03 popovich/parker 15/5/3 robinson/ginobili/jackson/rose/bowen/smith/willis
04 popovich/parker 15/6/3 ginobili/hedo/rasho/rose/bowen/horry/mercer
05 popovich/parker 17/6/4 ginobili/glen/bruce/brent/rose/nazr/horry/beno
06 popovich/parker 19/6/3 ginobili/finley/bowen/nazr/brent/exel/horry/beno
07 popovich/parker 19/6/3 ginobili/finley/barry/white/bowen/horry/beno
08 popovich/parker 19/6/3 ginobili/finley/barry/bowen/oberto/bonner/vaughn
09 popovich/parker 22/7/3 ginobili/mason/gooden/finley/hill/bonner/bowen
10 popovich/parker 16/6/3 ginobili/hill/jefferson/blair/mason/mcdeyes/finley
11 popovich/parker 18/7/3 ginobili/hill/jefferson/neal/blair/mcdeyes/green
12 popovich/parker 18/8/3 ginobili/mills/neal/blair/splitter/jefferson/green
13 popovich/parker 20/8/3 Leonard/ginobili/green/splitter/neal/jackson/diaw
14 popovich/parker 17/6/2 Leonard/ginobili/marco/mills/diaw/green/splitter
15 popovich/parker 15/5/2 Leonard/ginobili/green/marco/diaw/splitter/mills



always

1. legendary coach
2. top 50 all time team mate
3. stacked roster







yet both get 5 titles.. even though duncans had way way way way more easy opportunities to get more



Kobe Bryant would never lose finals mvps to teammates like tony parker.... or especially a rookie




duncans choked away the top seed or number 1 record more times than anyone else in nba history


kobe has more 1st team all nba's
kobe has more 1st team all defense's
kobe has more consecutive allstar games
kobe has more nba finals appearences with the same titles


/thread


Good point

LeBron is better than both of them.

[kennethgriffin]

Good point

LeBron is better than both of them.

with duncan i gotta go into huge detail and list allot of reasons

with lebron all i gotta say is

lockout
ray allen
2 for 5

[dubeta]

with duncan i gotta go into huge detail and list allot of reasons

with lebron all i gotta say is

lockout Kobe sadly couldnt win in one
ray allen Locked down Kobe in 2008
2 for 5 Kobe's FMVP ratio



Are you sure those are reasons against lebron??