Flashback (09):Shaq goes to PHX to play with Nash

[dunksby]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmUHvaHPa4Y
Makes his last AS game appearance too :applause:

[Prime_Shaq]

Old and passed his prime but still feasting on the league's premiere big men at the time

[Dresta]

Pity he let himself get fat and out of shape and consequently a defensive liability from 07 onwards.

[Taller than CP3]

one of the worst times to be a Suns fan. i will never forgive Steve Kerr for making that trade.

thankfully we reached the Western Conference Finals after that fatass left.

[BigNBAfan]

Pity he let himself get fat and out of shape and consequently a defensive liability from 07 onwards.

08 was his 16th year in the league and still averaged 18/8 in Phx
Best center the last few decades

[305Baller]

The last hurrah.

[Dresta]

08 was his 16th year in the league and still averaged 18/8 in Phx
Best center the last few decades
Are you saying the man wasn't out of shape and like molasses on the defensive end? :oldlol:

Was a retarded trade by Kerr.

[Akrazotile]

Will never forget the three pointer duncan hit against them. Legendary.

[AkronAngel]

one of the worst times to be a Suns fan. i will never forgive Steve Kerr for making that trade.

thankfully we reached the Western Conference Finals after that fatass left.

What? Suns made the WCF after Shaq left?

[AkronAngel]

Will never forget the three pointer duncan hit against them. Legendary.

Yeah it was.

[aj1987]

Pity he let himself get fat and out of shape and consequently a defensive liability from 07 onwards.
He wasn't that good defensively in '06 either. Remember Zo coming in for him during the end of games for defensive purposes? Zo got 4 blocks more than Shaq while playing 145 fewer minutes (~25 MPG over 6 games).

Should've won MVP's in '01 and '05. :facepalm

[mehyaM24]

Pity he let himself get fat and out of shape and consequently a defensive liability from 07 onwards.

lol @ this hillbilly

if shaq was a "defensive liability" in 2009, then so was "duhwayne" when the big 3 assembled (2011). when on the floor, wade, individually, averaged a net negative - meaning that his teams were better defensively with him off the floor than on.

shaq was actually a net positive in 2008 (offense & defense) for the ENTIRE year - aside from a handful of role players that weren't given many minutes, shaq was in actuality a top 20 player in impact.

16 years in and still going strong. meanwhile, today, wade isn't even a top 40 impact player and, by comparison, is only in his 11th season.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

What? Suns made the WCF after Shaq left?

2009-2010 season.

[aj1987]

lol @ this hillbilly

if shaq was a "defensive liability" in 2009, then so was "duhwayne" when the big 3 assembled (2011). when on the floor, wade, individually, averaged a net negative - meaning that his teams were better defensively with him off the floor than on.

shaq was actually a net positive in 2008 (offense & defense) for the ENTIRE year - aside from a handful of role players that weren't given many minutes, shaq was in actuality a top 20 player in impact.

16 years in and still going strong. meanwhile, today, wade isn't even a top 40 impact player and, by comparison, is only in his 11th season.
According to that stat which you LOVE to use, Wade was better offensively than LeBron in '11, Deng and Josh Smith were better defenders than DPOY Dwight.
:oldlol: @ Shaq being a "good" defender from '06 onwards.

Good god, you're a ****ing moron.

Oh, and Wade is in his '12th season, shit for brains.

[Magic 32]

I remember Kobe gave Shaq a warm welcome back to the western conference...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUUBYgxuS2s

[mehyaM24]

According to that stat which you LOVE to use, Wade was better offensively than LeBron in '11, Deng and Josh Smith were better defenders than DPOY Dwight.
i dont argue lebron as the best player in 2011, and think its debatable between dirk & howard.

and again, consider minutes/roles. i have told you countless times that comparing apples & oranges will not yield genuine results. idiot.

various gm's & coaches around the league along with analysts who cover the sport (its basically espn's singular individual stat now) have zero qualms with this metric, and use it daily. what is your excuse?


:oldlol: @ Shaq being a "good" defender from '06 onwards.
mad that "duhwayne" was a net negative on defense in 2011? :oldlol: his last season in his prime. LMAO

[dunksby]

Kareem and Shaq are the most disrespected all-timers on ISH, how can anyone hate on Shaq? :facepalm

[mehyaM24]

Kareem and Shaq are the most disrespected all-timers on ISH, how can anyone hate on Shaq? :facepalm
they don't recognize greatness when its staring in front of their faces. to actually be one of the biggest net impact players for 16+ years is....unfathomable.

considering their build, shaq & kareem are definitely in a tier by themselves when we talk about longevity.

[aj1987]

i dont argue lebron as the best player in 2011, and think its debatable between dirk & howard.
:oldlol:

I'm not talking about the better player, dipshit. You have the reading comprehension of a 6 year old.


and again, consider minutes/roles. i have told you countless times that comparing apples & oranges will not yield genuine results. idiot.

Josh Smith - ~34 Minutes
Dwight - ~37 Minutes
Deng - ~38 Minutes

They all played around the same number of minutes, but Smith and Deng have a better defensive RAPM than DPOY Dwight. :facepalm


various gm's & coaches around the league along with analysts who cover the sport (its basically espn's singular individual stat now) have zero qualms with this metric, and use it daily. what is your excuse?
Unlike you, I actually watch the games. I don't need stats telling me who the better player is/was. Any stat used without talking context (and watching the games) is basically worthless. Like you.



mad that "duhwayne" was a net negative on defense in 2011? :oldlol: his last season in his prime. LMAO
So, in '12, Wade (out of prime and injured) put up better numbers than PRIME LeBron did in his first two Finals? :oldlol:

Oh, a better offensive player in '12 than LeBron as well. An out of prime and injured Wade. :oldlol:

[mehyaM24]

:oldlol:

I'm not talking about the better player, dipshit. You have the reading comprehension of a 6 year old.

i am. whether wade was a better offensive player doesn't mean anything to me, so why bring it up? it's irrelevant.

in the end, lebron & dirk were better net impact players. :confusedshrug:


Josh Smith - ~34 Minutes
Dwight - ~37 Minutes
Deng - ~38 Minutes

what part of different roles do you not understand? dwight had a much bigger responsiiblity in orlando than these 2.

- relied on as the #1 option on offense
- relied on as the #1 rebounder
- relied on as the #1 defender on the team.

:hammerhead:


Unlike you, I actually watch the games. I don't need stats telling me who the better player is/was. Any stat used without talking context (and watching the games) is basically worthless. Like you.

won't quote the rest of your post, because its getting away from the topic - but this one in particular doesn't do anyone good.

everybody watches the games. i watch all the games i can, especially ones with lebron, curry, wade & westbrook.

anymore false equivalencies? sanjay? :oldlol:

[aj1987]

i am. whether wade was a better offensive player doesn't mean anything to me, so why bring it up? it's irrelevant.

in the end, lebron & dirk were better net impact players. :confused shrug:
To show that that stat is as worthless as you.


what part of different roles do you not understand? dwight had a much bigger responsiiblity in orlando than these 2.

- relied on as the #1 option on offense
- relied on as the #1 rebounder
- relied on as the #1 defender on the team.
He was the DPOY and All-D First team member with a lower defensive RAPM than Deng and Smith. Smith. Josh ****ing Smith... :facepalm

Those guys didn't even make a pity All-D team with HIGHER (according to your retarded stat) defensive "impact" than Dwight.



won't quote the rest of your post, because its getting away from the topic - but this one in particular doesn't do anyone good.

everybody watches the games. i watch all the games i can, especially ones with lebron, curry, wade & westbrook.

anymore false equivalencies? sanjay? :oldlol:
It's pretty obvious that the only watching you do is of the stat page, Cletus.

[mehyaM24]

To show that that stat is as worthless as you.

He was the DPOY and All-D First team member with a lower defensive RAPM than Deng and Smith. Smith. Josh ****ing Smith... :facepalm

Those guys didn't even make a pity All-D team with HIGHER (according to your retarded stat) defensive "impact" than Dwight.


low iq post

taking 2011 into totality, wade could be argued as one of the best offensive players in the league right there with lebron.

what separated the 2 was their defense.

all-teams and dpoy/mvp's are voted by coaches & the media.

kobe has made how many defensive teams that he shouldn't have? never mind the number of mvp/dpoy candidates people disagree with. dwight won dpoy because he's a big who, with more responsibility, also impacted the games, defensively, at a similar level - we're talking mere percentage points. the gap was not significant enough to make a concrete claim.

tl;dr - the stat is fine. try using your brain a little, and basic logic might start registering.

[aj1987]

low iq post

taking 2011 into totality, wade could be argued as one of the best offensive players in the league right there with lebron.

what separated the 2 was their defense.

all-teams and dpoy/mvp's are voted by coaches & the media.

kobe has made how many all defensive teams that he shouldn't have? nevermind the number of mvp's/dpoy people disagree with. dwight won dpoy because he's a big who, with more responsibility, also impacted the games, defensively, at a similar level - we're talking mere percentage points. the gap was not significant enough to make a concrete claim.

tl;dr - the stat is fine. try using your brain a little, and basic logic might start registering.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Dwight won because the was THE best defender in the league. You DO know that the coaches vote for the All-D teams, right? Analysts vote for DPOY as well. The same coaches and analysts who you claim love the stat. You know that, right? So, these analysts and coaches who love the "impact" stat voted for a player with lesser defensive impact?

GTFOH, kid. You most definitely are clinically retarded. No wonder you are a LeBron stan.

[mehyaM24]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Dwight won because the was THE best defender in the league. You DO know that the coaches vote for the All-D teams, right? Analysts vote for DPOY as well. The same coaches and analysts who you claim love the stat. You know that, right? So, these analysts and coaches who love the "impact" stat voted for a player with lesser defensive impact?

dwight was one of the best defenders in the league. you could argue a couple of players were just as impactful.

the difference? dwight was an overall better player than those guys you mentioned.

i already said that media & coaches vote for DPOY/MVP & all-teams (media for the former and coaches for the latter). what's your point?


GTFOH, kid. You most definitely are clinically retarded. No wonder you are a LeBron stan.
lol post something that i cannot easily debunk. you're getting raped by imperial evidence & facts.

[aj1987]

dwight was one of the best defenders in the league. you could argue a couple of players were just as impactful.

the difference? dwight was an overall better player than those guys you mentioned.

i already said that media & coaches vote for DPOY/MVP & all-teams (media for the former and coaches for the latter). what's your point?
I'm not talking about the MVP and All-NBA teams, dumb shit. I'm talking about the DPOY and All-Defensive teams. Even retarded people aren't this dumb.. :facepalm



lol post something that i cannot easily debunk. you're getting raped by imperial evidence & facts.
Evidence and facts as in a single stat? Retarded LeBron stans keep taking L's all day long. :oldlol:

[mehyaM24]

I'm not talking about the MVP and All-NBA teams, dumb shit. I'm talking about the DPOY and All-Defensive teams. Even retarded people aren't this dumb.. :facepalm

they're voted by the same people.

again, what is your point?


Evidence and facts as in a single stat? Retarded LeBron stans keep taking L's all day long. :oldlol:

splits, which makeup for an impact stat, used by the nba as a whole.

you have the intelligence of an ape.

[aj1987]

they're voted by the same people.

again, what is your point?



splits, which makeup for an impact stat, used by the nba as a whole.

i have the intelligence of an ape.
Yeah, I agree. I think we're done here.

[dubeta]

I agree with meyhaM24

[mehyaM24]

better leave before you get spanked. :oldlol:


I agree with meyhaM24
smart posters generally do.

[aj1987]

better leave before you get spanked. :oldlol:


smart posters generally do.


I agree with meyhaM24

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