The Elite 8: Best players of the 21st century

[mehyaM24]

requirements* must have played in your prime post 21st century.

shaq
lebron
kobe
duncan

^^ obviously these are the unanimous 4, in any order you want.

how about 5-8 though?
that leaves players like dirk, garnett, iverson, wade, howard, yao, webber, durant, & kidd...on the table.

select the next 4 to makeup the elite 8 :cheers:

[ISHGoat]

requirements* must have played in your prime post 21st century.

shaq
lebron
kobe
duncan

^^ obviously these are the unanimous 4, in any order you want.

how about 5-8 though?
that leaves players like dirk, garnett, iverson, wade, howard, yao, webber, durant, & kidd...on the table.

select the next 4 to makeup the elite 8 :cheers:

Kobe does not belong in the same breath as shaq, lebron duncan.

Sure he may have the accomplishments and accolades, but from an impact POV, he is a tier below those three. Every stat, advanced stat, eye test basically point to this.

[mehyaM24]

Kobe does not belong in the same breath as shaq, lebron duncan.

Sure he may have the accomplishments and accolades, but from an impact POV, he is a tier below those three.

nah booboo

he makes the top 4. if you wanna discuss tiers regarding the top 4, make your own thread about it. this is about the next 4, to makeup the elite 8.

[SugarHill]

KG
Dirk
Durant
Wade

[Cold soul]

Kobe does not belong in the same breath as shaq, lebron duncan.

Sure he may have the accomplishments and accolades, but from an impact POV, he is a tier below those three. Every stat, advanced stat, eye test basically point to this.

Yeah he does stats, accomplishments, franchise records, championships, eye test, etc. Kobe has proven time and time again he has done it all and proven though already, he's arguebley had the best career post MJ.

[FKAri]

KG
Dirk
Durant
Wade

Probably this.

Guys like Howard, Nash, Kidd are a bit below these guys.

[Cold soul]

Career:

Duncan
Kobe
Shaq
Lebron

Prime:

Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Lebron

[ISHGoat]

Career:

Duncan
Kobe
Shaq
Lebron

Prime:

Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Lebron

:lol

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Shaq
Kobe
KG
Duncan
Dirk
Wade
Bran
CP

[Cold soul]

:lol

Great response. Looks at join date. :roll:

[Real14]

In no order

Kobe
Shaq
Duncan
Wade
Iverson
KG
Dirk
KD/Melo

[dubeta]

Kobe does not belong in the same breath as shaq, lebron duncan.

Sure he may have the accomplishments and accolades, but from an impact POV, he is a tier below those three. Every stat, advanced stat, eye test basically point to this.


I agree

[mehyaM24]

LeBron
Kobe
Shaq
Duncan
Garnett
Wade
Nowitzki

Paul Pierce
Kevin Durant
Ray Allen
Jason Kidd
Chris Webber
Steve Nash
Tracy McGrady
Allen Iverson
Tony Parker
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Paul
gun to your head, who makes the 8th spot?

i haven't posted my list, but i would personally lean toward durant.

[Cold soul]

Top eight no order:

Shaquille O'Neal
Lebron James
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Dirk Nowitzki
Dwayne Wade
Kevin Garnett
Paul Pierce

The final 8th spot is difficult one so many names you can go with here.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Since 2000?

1) LeBron
2) Kobe
3) Duncan
4) Shaq: 2000 - 2005
5) KG
6) Wade
7) Durant
8) Iverson

HM collection:

CP3
Kidd
McGrady: 2000 - 2007
Dirk
Nash
Webber: 2000 - 2004
Pierce
Harden
Anthony
D-Rose: 2011, 2012
Curry
Westbrook
Roy

[mehyaM24]

Since 2000?

1) LeBron
2) Kobe
3) Duncan
4) Shaq: 2000 - 2005
5) KG
6) Wade
7) Durant
8) Iverson

HM collection:

CP3
Kidd
McGrady: 2000 - 2007
Dirk
Nash
Webber: 2000 - 2004
Pierce
Harden
Anthony
D-Rose: 2011, 2012
Curry
Westbrook
Roy

i would have let it slide, but not having dirk in there just screams agenda.

besides, you don't get to have an opinion after being exposed "coach". FOH.

[Levity]

im beginning to think Jeff is a masochist. because he always opens registration knowing hes allowing shitty posters in, to degrade his once illustrious website.

[SamuraiSWISH]

i would have let it slide, but not having dirk in there just screams agenda.
I don't think Dirk was a greater player than those guys.


besides, you don't get to have an opinion after being exposed "coach". FOH.
Um, you mean an internet stalker who made things up? Right. It was probably an alt of yours most likely. My list is perfectly legitimate. You have a line of red bars, no one cares what you think on ISH.

[mehyaM24]

I don't think Dirk was a greater player than those guys.

that's because you're an idiot.


Um, you mean an internet stalker who made things up? Right. It was probably an alt of yours most likely. My list is perfectly legitimate. You have a line of red bars, no one cares what you think on ISH.
this is my only account, and i have one red bar that i couldn't care less about. nice diversion.

your opinion is irrelevant until you prove everyone wrong "coach".

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Bran
KG
Wade
Dirk
Durant/Iverson

AI gets mad disrespect around here, but I still think Durant could be greater than him.

[SamuraiSWISH]

your opinion is irrelevant until you prove everyone wrong "coach".
Not that serious or important. Plus it's a job where I make $. I don't need to prove anything to loser ISH stalkers such as yourself.

And my elite 8 list is totally erroneous to you because Dirk is the lone one who didn't make the cut? Think about that stupidity for a second.

MVP winners Rose, Nash, Curry / Harden / Westbrook didn't make it either. Why? They weren't better than any of those other guys at their peak in more competitive seasons amongst other all-time greats.

Plus Dirk had one of the weakest MVP seasons in existence, with the most embarrassing post season of any of the suspect MVP award winners.

[Cold soul]

X
that's because you're an idiot.


this is my only account, and i have one red bar that i couldn't care less about. nice diversion.

your opinion is irrelevant until you prove everyone wrong "coach".

You should lay off man no offense. I hate to inform you but the majority people online lie who they really are and what they do for a living besides its none of our business not sure why people care so much what SamuraiSWISH does for a living.

[sundizz]

Since 2000 (career):

1. Kobe
2. Shaq
3. Duncan
4. Lebron
5. Wade
6. Dirk
7. KG
8. Nash

Since 2000 (prime/peak):
1. Shaq
2. Kobe
3. Duncan
4. Lebron
5. KG
6. Wade
7. Dirk
8. Nash

[Cold soul]

Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Bran
KG
Wade
Dirk
Durant/Iverson

AI gets mad disrespect around here, but I still think Durant could be greater than him.

AI is crazy underrated here I feel some here never saw his prime early 2000's.

[SamuraiSWISH]

X

You should lay off man no offense. I hate to inform you but the majority people online lie who they really are and what they do for a living besides its none of our business not sure why people care so much what SamuraiSWISH does for a living.
Except I didn't, and there is no reason I'd have to prove where I work by day or night to a bunch of anonymous children, or grown losers on a basketball message board such as mehyaM24 ... Durant / Wade / Iverson / KG's peak season or seasons are all higher than Dirk. KD / Iverson ran into tougher competition in the Finals.

[Cold soul]

D
Since 2000 (career):

1. Kobe
2. Shaq
3. Duncan
4. Lebron
5. Wade
6. Dirk
7. KG
8. Nash

Since 2000 (prime/peak):
1. Shaq
2. Kobe
3. Duncan
4. Lebron
5. KG
6. Wade
7. Dirk
8. Nash

Great post will rep later. :applause:

[mehyaM24]

dirk has a finals mvp & title. those guys don't.

lmao @ iverson or any of them you listed being "greater" than dirk.


You should lay off man no offense. I hate to inform you but the majority people online lie who they really are and what they do for a living besides its none of our business not sure why people care so much SamuraiSWISH does for a living.
i would, but he's such a pathetic twit.

talks a gang of shit that he cannot backup or prove. WOAT passive aggressive bitch.

[dubeta]

Since 2000 (career):

1. Kobe
2. Shaq
3. Duncan
4. Lebron
5. Wade
6. Dirk
7. KG
8. Nash

Since 2000 (prime/peak):
1. Shaq
2. Kobe
3. Duncan
4. Lebron
5. KG
6. Wade
7. Dirk
8. Nash


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Cold soul]

Except I didn't, and there is no reason I'd have to prove where I work by day or night to a bunch of anonymous children, or grown losers on a basketball message board such as mehyaM24

I never once accused you of lying of being a basketball coach. Exactly you don't to prove anything to anyone on here especially strangers you'll never meet in real life. I was defending you here when many people were calling you out on that thread a while ago.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Dirk won a ring because the co best player on the other team completely quit in a series where they were the obvious favorites. Forgive me if I don't find Dirk's 2011 to be an overrated run, and Finals on ISH.

Also faced a broken down, Gasol-less defending champion Laker team, with a hobbled Kobe.

Big deal.

In the Finals the Heat blew a huge lead in game 2. And LeBron was ghost status the rest of the series, Where's Waldo like in winnable 4th quarters as well. Worst performance from a superstar on the big stage, ever. Left Wade dragging the team solo.

Got locked up by old Marion, Kidd, and 5'6 JJ Barrea. And torched by Jason Terry.

:oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

LeBron
Shaq
Duncan

Kobe
Dirk

Elite 5


Since 2000?

1) LeBron
2) Kobe
3) Duncan
4) Shaq: 2000 - 2005
5) KG
6) Wade
7) Durant
8) Iverson

HM collection:

CP3
Kidd
McGrady: 2000 - 2007
Dirk
Nash
Webber: 2000 - 2004
Pierce
Harden
Anthony
D-Rose: 2011, 2012
Curry
Westbrook
Roy

Cmon bro... seems there is still something you don't grasp about Dirk's impact.

[blablabla]

It has to be KG,Wade,Dirk,Durant

the first three are absolute locks,Wade has won multiple championships and has had the best finals performance of the 21st century, Dirk and KG have one each and have been awarded MVPs. Durant gets the nod ahead of Nash and A.I who would have been next on my list, because accomplishment wise he is already on par with those 2 has a finals appearance and an MVP and even apart from that he's simply the only guy who has performed at roughly that level LeBron and Kobe have which i don't think A.I and Nash ever did, especially since he is absolutely elite on both ends of the court.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I'm liking what I'm seeing here for the most part.

I think my next 4, in no specific order, would be:

Dirk
KG
Wade
Iverson/Durant, tough pick

If I had to order them:

Duncan
Shaq
LeBron/Kobe (Kobe is more accomplished but LeBron is the better player imo, and by the end of LeBron's career he'll have clinched a spot above Kobe)
Kobe/LeBron
KG
Wade/Dirk
Dirk/Wade
Iverson/Durant

It's tough to sort them outside of separating them into top 4/bottom 4, I'm far from certain about the order of the bottom 4.

[mehyaM24]

glad nobody takes swish seriously. clown. :oldlol: im liking the dirk/durant top 8 to poster ratio though - nice

@arb - i assume you put the space after lebron/duncan/shaq by reason of their impact? if so - i agree. just make sure to stay on topic.. i prefer people just list their top 8's without delving into other bs.

[ArbitraryWater]

glad nobody takes swish seriously. clown. :oldlol: im liking the dirk/durant top 8 to poster ratio though - nice

@arb - i assume you put the space after lebron/duncan/shaq by reason of their impact? if so - i agree. just make sure to stay on topic.. i prefer people just list their top 8's without delving into other bs.

Yes.. but why top 8? Okay, well

KG
Wade

Actually, now that I think about it top 8 makes sense, with KD.

KD right now would be 8th, but who knows, he could make it all the way behind Shaq IMO.

[SamuraiSWISH]

glad nobody takes swish seriously. clown. :oldlol: im liking the dirk/durant top 8 to poster ratio though - nice

It's odd how obsessed you are with me, or my perception on here. Insidious ...

Notice how the only ones infactuated with calling me "coach" as if it's some sort of shot are: I'm Still Ballin, mehyaM24, and the random 2009 poster who never posts who PMed me (Insidious6) asking my personal name and info and how it related to IL Speed basketball program.

Oh, they are all obvious LeBron stans, trolls, or alts.

Then same guy made up some story how he asked a coach within the program if he knew one of the other coaches if they posted on a message board called Insidehoops? Do you know how delusional, un-believable and creepy that sounds?

Oh, same said poster also made up names and nicknames to sound knowledgable and didn't once name the program director who hired me and asked me to coach his 9th and 10th grade teams personally ...

:oldlol:

[mehyaM24]

:kobe:

what part of leaving my thread don't you understand? take a hint.

take your conspiracy theories and make-believe "life" along with you. like i said, ain't nobody got time for frauds. "coach".

[dubeta]

LeBron is the only 'sure thing' in this debate.

The rest are open for discussion, can go either way imo.

[mehyaM24]

LeBron is the only 'sure thing' in this debate.

The rest are open for discussion, can go either way imo.
list your top 8, bro. :cheers:

[tpols]

Kobe
Shaq
duncan
lebron

Garnett
dirk
Wade

Kidd/nash/durant

[bobopenguin]

:lol

yeah, keep on laughing, cos everyone else is laughing at u now. :lol :lol

[FKAri]

Dirk won a ring because the co best player on the other team completely quit in a series where they were the obvious favorites. Forgive me if I don't find Dirk's 2011 to be an overrated run, and Finals on ISH.

Also faced a broken down, Gasol-less defending champion Laker team, with a hobbled Kobe.

Big deal.

In the Finals the Heat blew a huge lead in game 2. And LeBron was ghost status the rest of the series, Where's Waldo like in winnable 4th quarters as well. Worst performance from a superstar on the big stage, ever. Left Wade dragging the team solo.

Got locked up by old Marion, Kidd, and 5'6 JJ Barrea. And torched by Jason Terry.

:oldlol:

Swept the 2-time champs.
Annihilated OKC.

Hell those 2 series are enough to make Dirk's 2011 run legendary. But no. It went beyond that all the way to an actual Finals win.

[Cold soul]

Swept the 2-time champs.
Annihilated OKC.

Hell those 2 series are enough to make Dirk's 2011 run legendary. But no. It went beyond that all the way to an actual Finals win.

Dirk run in 2011 was some legendary shit he won with less help than almost any franchise player since Hakeem back in 93/94.

[TheNaturalWR]

Dirk won a ring because the co best player on the other team completely quit in a series where they were the obvious favorites. Forgive me if I don't find Dirk's 2011 to be an overrated run, and Finals on ISH.

Also faced a broken down, Gasol-less defending champion Laker team, with a hobbled Kobe.

Big deal.

In the Finals the Heat blew a huge lead in game 2. And LeBron was ghost status the rest of the series, Where's Waldo like in winnable 4th quarters as well. Worst performance from a superstar on the big stage, ever. Left Wade dragging the team solo.

Got locked up by old Marion, Kidd, and 5'6 JJ Barrea. And torched by Jason Terry.

:oldlol:

Yup people need to stop overrating the **** out of Dirk's 11' Finals. It's like they're oblivious to the fact that he shot 40 ****ing percent.

[ILLsmak]

KG
Dirk
Durant
Wade

Not Durant yet.

He's gotta get a win which those other guys did, IMO. Or get more accolades.

HMM...

I guess it's hard. Durant has a case just because everyone else around him is about the same. Not sure, will have to think of 8th.

-Smak

[mehyaM24]

Dirk run in 2011 was some legendary shit he won with less help than almost any franchise player since Hakeem back in 93/94
dirk defined clutch and throughout that playoff run, attempted to redefine it. he srsly nailed just about every big shot in that playoff run, no matter how sick he was, no matter what players were on the floor and no matter what obstacles were placed in front of him.

dirk was on his hakeem tip - we thought of him as a notorious choker, a player that could not win the big game, and that wasn't a team player.

but after those finals, it was safe to say we could place him with some of the GOATS in most valuable playoff runs.


Kobe
Shaq
duncan
lebron

Garnett
dirk
Wade

Kidd/nash/durant
:applause:

looks like everyone has dirk in their top 8 - good stuff. i'll go ahead and post my list soon.

[Prime_Shaq]

1) Shaq
2) Duncan
3) LeBron
4) Kobe
5) Dirk
6) Wade
7) KG
8) Kidd

[ArbitraryWater]

Yup people need to stop overrating the **** out of Dirk's 11' Finals. It's like they're oblivious to the fact that he shot 40 ****ing percent.

Who overrates his finals? :biggums:

Its GOAT level PLAYOFF RUN, if anything is being said about his finals, its his amazing 4th quarter production and multiple game winners.. legendary clutch stuff.

[Prime_Shaq]

Yup people need to stop overrating the **** out of Dirk's 11' Finals. It's like they're oblivious to the fact that he shot 40 ****ing percent.
Fool