Is Wade officially done?

[mehyaM24]

like officially? this was a MUST WIN game for miami & their playoff chances, and wade goes 4-19, shooting bricks for jumpers.

beyond that, you just don't see any urgency from this 'wade-led' group. no championship pedigree like last year - just a bunch of individuals. whatever the case, tonight's game is definitely one of the most disappointing performances of the year, and arguably the biggest choke thus far.

[Mawly-G]

He still has a lot of basketball left in him, just not as a #1 option. At this point in his career, he clearly needs a ton of help. His body won't allow him to carry a load like this.

[beastee]

He still has a lot of basketball left in him, just not as a #1 option. At this point in his career, he clearly needs a ton of help. His body won't allow him to carry a load like this.
Agreed. He should be a solid #2 or 3 guy, but dragic doesn't seem to be the definitive answer for the second guy either.

[dubeta]

R.I.P Dwyane Wade

2006-2006

[navy]

troll post. Dude is averaging 21.5 points 5 assist on grandma legs.

[mehyaM24]

Dude is averaging 21.5 points 5 assist on grandma legs.
not at all - he's played like crap in 2 needed wins, and his impact is that of a top 40 player - e.g., not effective enough to be deemed a superstar and/or a player that is capable of leading a team to postseason.

wade's raw stats are actually overrated.

[Legends66NBA7]

He was the Heat's tank commander tonight.

The Flash tank.

[plowking]

Bron leading a team with Kyrie and Kevin Love to a losing record was a bigger choke.

He needed to get another 7 footer, a 6th man of the year, and one of the best defensive wings in Shumpert to actually start winning.

The Cavs record wouldn't be much better than the Heat if they didn't stack their roster even more.

[bobopenguin]

maybe he can go to Cav and play with his best friend, so heat can focus on rebuilding around Bosh and Dragic and another serviceable Scorer.

[navy]

not at all - he's played like crap in 2 needed wins, and his impact is that of a top 40 player - e.g., not effective enough to be deemed a superstar and/or a player that is capable of leading a team to postseason.

wade's raw stats are actually overrated.

Well im not sure anyone thinks Wade is a superstar lol

Grandma legs. :no:

Real legs adjusted and he would be the GOAT.

[mehyaM24]

He was the Heat's tank commander tonight.

The Flash tank.
do you think he's seriously tanking?

its plausible, but i doubt that is what miami is doing atm. wouldn't make sense this late in the season.

[Mawly-G]

do you think he's seriously tanking? it actually makes sense, but i doubt that is what the heat are going out there & doing right now. not this late in the season.
Pat Riley won't allow this team to tank

[Legends66NBA7]

He still has a lot of basketball left in him, just not as a #1 option. At this point in his career, he clearly needs a ton of help. His body won't allow him to carry a load like this.

I'd figure that he doesn't have to do it next season.

Bosh/Whiteside/Deng/Wade/Dragic potential lineup can be pretty good. Need more bench pieces, though.

[Wade's Rings]

Well im not sure anyone thinks Wade is a superstar lol

Grandma legs. :no:

Real legs adjusted and he would be the GOAT.

Agreed

[Legends66NBA7]

do you think he's seriously tanking?

its plausible, but i doubt that is what miami is doing atm. wouldn't make sense this late in the season.

Miami should have probably been doing this once they were getting all these injuries.

There's no point limping to the playoffs as a low seed. I don't think Wade threw it the game intentionally, just a jest. But I figure he knows more (speaking about players only) about Miami's future than anyone else on the team.

[mehyaM24]

maybe he can go to Cav and play with his best friend, so heat can focus on rebuilding around Bosh and Dragic and another serviceable Scorer.
wouldn't be such a bad thing, tbh

without high impact players like lebron & shaq, wade has either led his teams to a first round exit, or just out of the playoffs altogether.

lebron, who's done wonders with dead weight (2007-2010), could turn wade back into an impact player if he plays his cards right.

[greatest-ever]

As an above average nba player, no. He obviously hasn't been a superstar since 2012 or so, but goin forward it seems like his all star level status is even slipping away. Spo is gonna have to cut his minutes down quite a bit next season i'm thinking like 26-27 a game as opposed to 32 that he was at this season. I think over the next few years he can still be a 17-18 ppg scorer.

[Jacks3]

Biggest game of the year and Wade goes 4-20 for 9 points and 5 turnovers.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[plowking]

do you think he's seriously tanking?

its plausible, but i doubt that is what miami is doing atm. wouldn't make sense this late in the season.

How does it not make sense?

If anything now is the perfect time. Anything above top 10 and we lose our pick, anything below is fine and we get a pick.

You can't even troll right.

[Indian guy]

Bron leading a team with Kyrie and Kevin Love to a losing record was a bigger choke.

Ummm, Cleveland was 18-12 with LeBron in the lineup prior to acquiring Mozgov/JR/Shumpert. Losing record?

[plowking]

Ummm, Cleveland was 18-12 with LeBron in the lineup prior to acquiring Mozgov/JR/Shumpert. Losing record?

He is on the team even when injured bro. Taking time off when your team needs you most is embarrassing, especially for someone who wants to be taken seriously as a leader.

Kobe would have never bitched out like that. Duncan either.

[mehyaM24]

How does it not make sense?

its possible as i said, but for it to be THIS late in the season? a reach IMO

i mean, the first half of tonight's game looked like a team that was clawing for a playoff spot. and besides, it would have suited them better to just "tank" earlier in the season.

[Indian guy]

He is on the team even when injured bro. Taking time off when your team needs you most is embarrassing, especially for someone who wants to be taken seriously as a leader.


He was moving like a 40 year old prior to taking those 2 weeks off. Cleveland actually needed him to sit and take care of his injuries. That's the best thing he could've done for the team.

And again, 18-12 prior to the trade. So yeah, nowhere close to a "losing record". I know you're angry and embarrassed by what Miami's done this season, but don't be an idiot.

[plowking]

its possible as i said, but for it to be THIS late in the season? a reach IMO

i mean, the first half of tonight's game looked like a team that was clawing for a playoff spot. and besides, it would have suited them better to just "tank" earlier in the season.

We've been doing a great job at losing since Bosh went down.

[dubeta]

LOL and ppl thought the Heat were stacked because he was LeBrons second option :oldlol:

[mehyaM24]

We've been doing a great job at losing since Bosh went down.
true. anything is possible i suppose. :confusedshrug:

i think we can both agree, wade is finished as a high impact 'all-star' though.

[Megabox!]

He is on the team even when injured bro. Taking time off when your team needs you most is embarrassing, especially for someone who wants to be taken seriously as a leader.

Kobe would have never bitched out like that. Duncan either.
You're in your feelings right now man, taking some time off to fix nagging injuries is bitching out now? So was Wade bitching out all of those times he sat out during the "Big 3 Heat"? Or was he playing it smart and fixing those problems so he wouldn't have to deal with them during the playoffs?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Definitely disappointing. I was rooting for dude to make the postseason and morph into Flash again. Guess that was just a pipe dream. :(

[plowking]

true. anything is possible i suppose. :confusedshrug:

i think we can both agree, wade is finished as a high impact 'all-star' though.

Actually a high impact all star is exactly what he is.

How else would you describe 22ppg on great efficiency?

[dubeta]

Definitely disappointing. I was rooting for dude to make the postseason and morph into Flash again. Guess that was just a pipe dream. :(

Life lesson: Never hold faith in Wade, Kobe, or Durant. Will lead to nothing but disappointments

[Akrazotile]

At this point in his career, playing on a team that wont contend is probably a major motivational hurdle. Obviously Miami has no prospects of playoff success.

Hopefully next year if Wade, Bosh, Whiteside, Dragic, Deng, McRoberts are all back and stay healthy for a whole year they'll have a decent enough core to at least be a threat to win some playoff series. If thats the case I think Wade will still be a very effective player at least another couple of years.

[mehyaM24]

Actually a high impact all star is exactly what he is.

How else would you describe 22ppg on great efficiency?
overrated raw stats.

someone that believes those numbers = 'high impact' - i would call them hoodwinked. similar to buying a pair of jordan's on ebay, only to find out they're fugazi's when you actually open up the box.

wade's actual impact via RAPM (or RPM), is actually far from 'high impact'. his teams don't see much of a difference with him on OR off the floor - this is probably why people are suggesting he join up with a contender & just let the heat rebuild.

[plowking]

overrated raw stats.

someone that believes those numbers = 'high impact' - i would call them hoodwinked. similar to buying a pair of jordan's on ebay, only to find out they're fugazi's when you actually open up the box.

wade's actual impact via RAPM (or RPM), is actually far from 'high impact'. his teams don't see much of a difference with him on OR off the floor - this is probably why people are suggesting he join up with a contender & just let the heat rebuild.

Yeah, because Wade as your number 2 guy will more than likely lead you to confernce finals at worst.

That is exactly what high impact is.

What is it with Bron fanboys and attacking Wade? Worse than Kobe fans with Pau. Ungrateful little shits like you. But then again, you idiots think your idols accomplishments rub off on you somehow. You're basically just a wanker that follows a grown man around from team to team. You are literally riding another dudes dick your whole NBA viewing experience.

[Jacks3]

lol @ current Wade having great efficiency. Dude has a 54% TS (very barely above league-average) and a ORTG that is BELOW league average at 104, and it's even worse after the horrible performance he had tonight.

Great efficiency? :oldlol:

[plowking]

lol @ current Wade having great efficiency. Dude has a 54% TS (very barely above league-average) and a ORTG that is BELOW league average at 104, and it's even worse after the horrible performance he had tonight.

Great efficiency? :oldlol:

Clearly then the Heat would be better without him. I'm sure we all agree with that.

[dubeta]

lol @ current Wade having great efficiency. Dude has a 54% TS (very barely above league-average) and a ORTG that is BELOW league average at 104, and it's even worse after the horrible performance he had tonight.

Great efficiency? :oldlol:

:roll:

Wade getting exposed

[mehyaM24]

Yeah, because Wade as your number 2 guy will more than likely lead you to confernce finals at worst.

under those pretenses? sure. but that isn't what's happening right now. as the lead guy, wade is NOT a high impact player, just as the imperial data suggests.


What is it with Bron fanboys and attacking Wade? Worse than Kobe fans with Pau. Ungrateful little shits like you. But then again, you idiots think your idols accomplishments rub off on you somehow. You're basically just a wanker that follows a grown man around from team to team. You are literally riding another dudes dick your whole NBA viewing experience.

i feel your frustration, but i'm merely calling a spade a spade. :confusedshrug:

put it this way. if lebron had a season like wade is having now (40 players ahead of him in raw, unabated impact), i would be grasping at straws too.

[DetroitPistonFan]

D-Wade has turned into Allen Iverson, Penny Hardaway and Tracy McGrady. Great player who was broken done by injuries.

[mehyaM24]

lol @ current Wade having great efficiency. Dude has a 54% TS (very barely above league-average) and a ORTG that is BELOW league average at 104, and it's even worse after the horrible performance he had tonight.

Great efficiency? :oldlol:
i'm not a big proponent on advanced stats that don't adjust for teammates, however an offensive rating below average? wtf. i knew wade wasn't the impact player his raw stats suggested, but wow.

[plowking]

put it this way. if lebron had a season like wade is having now (40 players ahead of him in raw, unabated impact), i would be grasping at straws too.

You'd be gasping for air, since it'd be the first time you'd have removed your head outside of Lebron's ass.

It is really cool how you try and put on the nonchalant front on here, when a couple months ago you were PMing me to help you expose SamuraiSwish on here. You care too much bro. :oldlol:

[305Baller]

D-Wade has turned into Allen Iverson, Penny Hardaway and Tracy McGrady. Great player who was broken done by injuries.

I'll take Wade over Vince Carter right now. Could kill in a 6th man role.

[305Baller]

D-Wade has turned into Allen Iverson, Penny Hardaway and Tracy McGrady. Great player who was broken done by injuries.

Iverson had legit longevity.

[mehyaM24]

You'd be gasping for air, since it'd be the first time you'd have removed your head outside of Lebron's ass.
lebron? he isn't even my favorite player all-time.

i actually watch heat games now because dragic happens to be one of my current favorite players.


It is really cool how you try and put on the nonchalant front on here, when a couple months ago you were PMing me to help you expose SamuraiSwish on here. You care too much bro. :oldlol:
if i'm "nonchalant", what does that make you? hurling insults like you're drinking water.

[plowking]

hmmm

:roll: :roll:

"plowking please help me..."


:roll:

[JebronLames]

plowking getting destroyed

[mehyaM24]

plowking getting destroyed
i like plowking. he's a cool dude.

he's just upset that his team choked another playoff opportunity, which is understandable.

[plowking]

plowking getting destroyed

I can see how you think so since you probably though Bron played well in 11.

[plowking]

i like plowking. he's a cool dude.

he's just upset that his team choked another playoff opportunity, which is understandable.

Should I screenshot the PM's? :oldlol:

I'll be nice and not bother since I don't really care, but your trolling has been pretty pathetic. :oldlol:

[jzek]

06 finals Wade ranks where? Top 5 GOAT finals performances ever? Top 3???

[305Baller]

06 finals Wade ranks where? Top 5 GOAT finals performances ever? Top 3???

It's up there

[mehyaM24]

Should I screenshot the PM's? :oldlol:

I'll be nice and not bother since I don't really care, but your trolling has been pretty pathetic. :oldlol:
do you actually think said "PM's" would affect me? the forum knows i cannot stand swish, and told people to go in that thread to expose his ass for lying. :oldlol:

[greatest-ever]

D-Wade has turned into Allen Iverson, Penny Hardaway and Tracy McGrady. Great player who was broken done by injuries.
Except wade has had a far greater career than those guys.

[plowking]

wait do you actually think my "PM's" affect me? the forum knows i cannot stand swish, and told people to go in that thread to expose his ass for lying.

Its cool. You find the need to gang up on people on a forum and try and "expose" them.

That is perfectly normal.

Begging others to help you on your "quest" is normal too. :oldlol:

[mehyaM24]

Its cool. You find the need to gang up on people on a forum and try and "expose" them.

That is perfectly normal.

Begging others to help you on your "quest" is normal too. :oldlol:
i wouldn't say i "hate" the guy, but i do dislike him. he's a shit talker who cannot backup anything he claims.

btw, you have had your beefs with swish before too. if i remember correctly, he called you out for using alts. :oldlol:

[DirkLegend41]

Wade can't do it without help from a megastar and a all-star teammates. And the Heat roster is better than any of Kobe's teammates in '05, '06 and '07. Even better than the roster Wade got with the Heat in '08, '09 and '10. Still can't get them in the playoffs. :oldlol:

[plowking]

i wouldn't say i "hate" the guy, but i do dislike him. he's a shit talker who cannot backup anything he claims.

btw, you have had your beefs with swish before too. if i remember correctly, he called you out for using alts. :oldlol:

He did, but anyone with an alt on here is a wanker for the most part, and I don't care. I moved on and continued living my life.

For some reason, you got caught up in it and felt the need to expose him and invest yourself in his actual personal life.

[305Baller]

Wade can't do it without help from a megastar and a all-star teammates. And the Heat roster is better than any of Kobe's teammates in '05, '06 and '07. Even better than the roster Wade got with the Heat in '08, '09 and '10. Still can't get them in the playoffs. :oldlol:

In b4 Ginobili

[mehyaM24]

He did, but anyone with an alt on here is a wanker for the most part, and I don't care. I moved on and continued living my life.

For some reason, you got caught up in it and felt the need to expose him and invest yourself in his actual personal life.
that was the entire forum, or at least most of the posters itt - i merely asked you to come in & corroborate his lakers/bulls fandom.

whatever though. i'm not here to get in any personal beefs. maybe you can take solace in knowing we're both dragic fans, idk :cheers:

[SamuraiSWISH]

:biggums:

I knew dude mehyaM24 was obsessed with me, and was probably the odd ALT who never posted, Insidious06, asking my personal name, and information or how I was connected to the AAU basketball program IL Speed. Then made that entire thread trying to call me out.

But jesus christ ... creepy. Asking for collaborative effort with fellow ISHers to "expose" and/or stalk my personal life? Cowardly.

Get a career, job, or a GF bro. Damn.

:oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Life lesson: Never hold faith in Wade, Kobe, or Durant. Will lead to nothing but disappointments
Kobe and Durant are injured. Although you may have a point about Wade.

He's been a disappointment for a few years now. Heat can still grind out a few W's and hope for a Boston and Brooklyn collapse though. Not likely, but I've seen crazier things before.

[97 bulls]

I've been saying for the longest, Wade is overrated. I've never seen a guy get so much credit for one series.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I've been saying for the longest, Wade is overrated. I've never seen a guy get so much credit for one series.
What?

[97 bulls]

What?
What do you mean what? Hes a great player, or was at one time. But in my opinion, 2006 was a fluke. If the refs dont parade him to the line the Heat dont win in 06. And lets not forget that he was hot garbage in half of those six games.

[BasedTom]

Cancel the San Francisco Gay Pride Parade, all the ******s are in this thread

[greatest-ever]

I've been saying for the longest, Wade is overrated. I've never seen a guy get so much credit for one series.
Wtf are you talking about? Wade has had plenty of dominant playoff series in his prime, it's not like he had one good series in the 06 finals and was trash in all the others.

[mehyaM24]

:biggums:

I knew dude mehyaM24 was obsessed with me, and was probably the odd ALT who never posted, Insidious06, asking my personal name, and information or how I was connected to the AAU basketball program IL Speed. Then made that entire thread trying to call me out.

But jesus christ ... creepy. Asking for collaborative effort with fellow ISHers to "expose" and/or stalk my personal life? Cowardly.

Get a career, job, or a GF bro. Damn.

:oldlol:

lol @ this passive aggressive fraud.

first of all, as i've already stated, i hit up plowking and several others to corroborate your alts, posting as a bulls/lakers fan. why? because arbritarywater repeatedly quoted posts claiming those accounts didn't belong to you.

that had NOTHING to do with insidous or whatever he alleges you did. nice spin though, "coach".

and btw, this will be my last post addressing you. quit trying to derail my threads with your conspiracy theories.

[greatest-ever]

What do you mean what? Hes a great player, or was at one time. But in my opinion, 2006 was a fluke. If the refs dont parade him to the line the Heat dont win in 06. And lets not forget that he was hot garbage in half of those six games.
Half of the games? wade averaged nearly 39 ppg in the last 4 games, he was only somewhat crappy in the 1st 2. 2/6 is not half.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:biggums:

I knew dude mehyaM24 was obsessed with me, and was probably the odd ALT who never posted, Insidious06, asking my personal name, and information or how I was connected to the AAU basketball program IL Speed. Then made that entire thread trying to call me out.

But jesus christ ... creepy. Asking for collaborative effort with fellow ISHers to "expose" and/or stalk my personal life? Cowardly.

Get a career, job, or a GF bro. Damn.

:oldlol:


lol @ this passive aggressive fraud.

first of all, as i've already stated, i hit up plowking and several others to corroborate your alts, posting as a bulls/lakers fan. why? because arbritarywater repeatedly quoted posts claiming those accounts didn't belong to you.

that had NOTHING to do with insidous or whatever he alleges you did. nice spin though, "coach".

and btw, this will be my last post addressing you. quit trying to derail my threads with your conspiracy theories.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/2837510/michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-o.gif

[mehyaM24]

Half of the games? wade averaged nearly 39 ppg in the last 4 games, he was only somewhat crappy in the 1st 2. 2/6 is not half.
he wasn't crappy in those finals, at any point - i agree. although, wade & his ft's really made his raw stats look better than they were. the refs were another weapon for miami in that series - hell, that is evidenced by mark cuban hiring an ex-fbi agent to investigate that series.


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/2837510/michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-o.gif
swish is obssessed with my threads. i'm like crack to him. :oldlol:

[navy]

he wasn't crappy in those finals, at any point - i agree. although, wade & his ft's really made his raw stats look better than they were. the refs were another weapon for miami in that series - hell, that is evidenced by mark cuban hiring an ex-fbi agent to investigate that series.


swish is obssessed with my threads. i'm like crack to him. :oldlol:
Mark Cuban didnt find shit im sure. It was his complaining that got the nba to change the rules the year before.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I'm not picking sides, but y'all need to take it to PM. In all honesty, nobody cares about that weirdo shit.

[bdreason]

$20m dollar 3rd option.

[greatest-ever]

he wasn't crappy in those finals, at any point - i agree. although, wade & his ft's really made his raw stats look better than they were. the refs were another weapon for miami in that series - hell, that is evidenced by mark cuban hiring an ex-fbi agent to investigate that series.



When you're arguably the greatest slasher in nba history and relentlessly attack the basket you are bound to generate a lot of free throws, and that's what happened. Sure there may have been some questionable calls here and there but it doesn't make sense how people act like that is Wade's fault, he took advantage of it and it shouldn't take away from his performance. And the reality is he wasn't getting much help, only 14 ppg from both Shaq and Walker on 53 ts% and 46 ts% respectively.

[mehyaM24]

Mark Cuban didnt find shit im sure. It was his complaining that got the nba to change the rules the year before.
who knows? i'm just not gonna pretend there wasn't terrible reffing. everyone that watched knew there were TONS of suspect calls.

if i were cuban & had those connections, i would have probably done the same thing.

[navy]

who knows? i'm just not gonna pretend there wasn't terrible reffing. everyone that watched knew there were TONS of suspect calls.

if i were cuban & had those connections, i would have probably done the same thing.
A ton of suspect calls? Nah. Wade was legit getting fouled and I challenge you to prove otherwise. It's not like the refs didnt give Dirk freethrows that he missed to win the series. :confusedshrug:

[aj1987]

What do you mean what? Hes a great player, or was at one time. But in my opinion, 2006 was a fluke. If the refs dont parade him to the line the Heat dont win in 06. And lets not forget that he was hot garbage in half of those six games.
It's ironic that you call the 2006 a fluke, when the guy stan had possibly the "flukiest" career EVER. Dude would be ringless and "accoladeless" with career averages of 20/6/5 if he didn't play with the GOAT.


Right here:

http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?t=126843

Interesting facts:

In this playoff run, Dirk Nowitzki sets a record for must FT's hit during the playoffs shooting 209-229. Wade on the other hand shoots 202-250 with both players playing 23 games in the playoffs that year. For a player who is more of a slasher, Wade only managed to get 21 more free throws? :rolleyes:

Furthermore, Wade shot 10 and 14 free throws in the first two games, so its not like he just got more free throws the next few games. He was already getting to the line a lot.

The total foul count in the series was 146 fouls committed by the Miami Heat and 160 fouls committed by the Mavericks. Fairly equal if anything.

Furthermore, it's amazing it was soo close considering the Heat have Shaq and Wade on their team. Wade is a driver who gets a lot of free throws anyway, and Shaq is a guy who teams love to send to the line. Also, the Mavericks were more of a jumpshooting team, with most of their driving coming from Harris and Howard.

Quick facts:
--Miami outrebounded the Mavs in 4 of the 6 games in the series.
--In the 4 games Miami won, they shot better in 3 of those matchups, with the only time they shot worse being by .8 of a %.
--Miami shot less threes then the Dallas team in 5 of the 6 games. The one time they shot more threes then the Dallas team, they lost.

Game 3:
Mavericks up 83-71 with 8:30 left. A lot of people claim that the refs took over here and helped guide Wade to victory.
Up to the 3rd quarter Wade had shot 15 free throws. In the 4th quarter, Wade shot only 3 free throws, and only 1 free throw within the 8:30 left. So the two other free throws he shot were before the 12 point lead the Mavs had.

Not to mention with the game score was 97-95 in favor of the Heat with 3 seconds to go and Dirk gets given 2 free throws. So the Mavs were given a chance to tie the game, and Dirk only hit 1 of 2 free throws to make the score 97-96 in favor of the Heat.

So in actual fact, Wade got no free throws in that 8:30, due to the free throws he recieved being out of desperation and the Mavs hacking to be able to get another shot off. So a total of 0 shooting fouls were called for Wade in the 4th.


Game 4:
98-74 win for the Heat. Mavs shot 31% and Wade had 9 free throws. Nothing to talk about really. Mavs completely outplayed.

Game 5:
This is the game where Wade goes onto shoot as many free throws as the entire Dallas team. 21-25 went Wade and 21-25 went Dallas. Game went into overtime as well.
Wade had 22 points going into the 4th quarter. Wade scored 17 in the 4th quarter with the last 6 points all coming from jumpers. Even the game tying shot was a jumper to level the game at 93-93 with 2 seconds left. No free throws needed. 7 of Wade's 17 points came from FT's. So he basically maintained his average foul shot per quarter rate in the 4th.

Then in the overtime, the score was 100-99 in favor of the Mavs with 2 seconds left and Wade was given 2 free throws. As many of you know, at the time there was great debate as to whether this was a foul or not. The play involved Harris and Nowitzki both hacking Wade and Nowitzki being called for the foul.

http://i.imgur.com/7Efvj5G.jpg

That was the play for those who have forgot. Many people say this wasn't a foul. Now take a look at what happened on this play:

http://i.imgur.com/qr98Ae1.gif
Harris' leg clearly fouling Wade.

Also:
Dirk giving Wade a huge shove, just look at the amount of contact.

http://i.imgur.com/GZdbKdf.jpg

Not to mention Harris grabbed Wade's other hand on the way to the basket, but I don't have a picture. He didn't just slap it, but grabbed it and didn't allow Wade to have shooting motion. That is a foul even in late game situations. Two players hacking and getting a huge amount of contact. On his leg, one arm and pushing on his back. That has to get called even in the dying seconds.

EDIT: Picture found.

http://i.imgur.com/CfMyCFs.jpg

Harris' grabbing Wade's shooting arm, pretty much not allowing a shot to be attempted.

Game 6:

Heat win the championship with a 95-92 win. No controversy here

Wade had the best Finals performance in NBA History... Putting the team on his back in the Final 4 games (all wins) and scored over 35 pts per game in each one:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1

^ GREATEST Finals Performance EVER !!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6013055&postcount=19

[QUOTE=ImKobe]The opposing team couldn't stop Wade without fouling, so he exploited that and won his team the game? :oldlol:

They changed the rules to get the scoring back up after the 04 season, handchecking was made illegal. It's why guys like Kobe,Lebron and AI had huge gains in the PPG department in 05-06, they learned how to exploit the new rules that favored the offensive player.

Here's a good post

[QUOTE]From his Blog Maverick weblog, Mark Cuban's article 'If It

[Dresta]

Wade can't do it without help from a megastar and a all-star teammates. And the Heat roster is better than any of Kobe's teammates in '05, '06 and '07. Even better than the roster Wade got with the Heat in '08, '09 and '10. Still can't get them in the playoffs. :oldlol:
Hey, Dirk homer, stop talking shit. Dirk lost to Wade in 06 with a far superior team, and having a well-built and well-balanced team is often more beneficial than having an extremely top-heavy team like Miami in 11. I'd like to see Dirk make the final with any of Antoine Walker, Jason Williiams, the corpse of Mike Bibby, Joel Anthony, or Dextar Pittman starting.

I mean, swap Lebron for Chandler and Terry, and Miami win the series comfortably. Then we could all say Dirk can't even win with a 'megastar' on his team.

It's really such an incredibly inane and childish argument, which is why it's so popular with Bron stans, or hysterical fanatics like 97bulls.

[97 bulls]

It's ironic that you call the 2006 a fluke, when the guy stan had possibly the "flukiest" career EVER. Dude would be ringless and "accoladeless" with career averages of 20/6/5 if he didn't play with the GOAT.*

How can winning six championships possibly be a fluke? He basically put up similar numbers in everyone if them. And was defensively dominant and clutch from championship one to championship six and everything in between. Pippens Bulls never lost to teams they were supposed to beat did Wades?

[plowking]

How can winning six championships possibly be a fluke? He basically put up similar numbers in everyone if them. And was defensively dominant and clutch from championship one to championship six and everything in between. Pippens Bulls never lost to teams they were supposed to beat did Wades?

So Wade is to blame for 2011?

Outside of that, Wade has never lost as the favorite.

You call six championships not a fluke, but then you call a guy who has won 3 of them a fluke. You f*ckin' guppy. You know jack shit.

Wade would have 4 if it wasn't for Bron choking hard. He is a flat out better player than Pippen and it isn't a comparison.

Yeah, Pippen's entire career is a fluke. Dude landed on a team with MJ. He'd have zero rings without MJ, which he proved true after leaving the Bulls and playing without him when he retired.

[97 bulls]

Hey, Dirk homer, stop talking shit. Dirk lost to Wade in 06 with a far superior team, and having a well-built and well-balanced team is often more beneficial than having an extremely top-heavy team like Miami in 11. I'd like to see Dirk make the final with any of Antoine Walker, Jason Williiams, the corpse of Mike Bibby, Joel Anthony, or Dextar Pittman starting.
Why does Nowitzki have to win with garbage when Wade never did? Wades Heat team also had Shaq, Mourning, Posey, Payton, and Pat Riley coaching.


I mean, swap Lebron for Chandler and Terry, and Miami win the series comfortably. Then we could all say Dirk can't even win with a 'megastar' on his team.
You mean like Wade? Funny thing is, Wade did have a number two guy in James. 18/7/7 from the number two guy should've been enough to get them a championship in 11. Like I keep saying, it wasn't their offense, it was their defense. Wade was getting his ass chewed up by Jason Kidd as well.


It's really such an incredibly inane and childish argument, which is why it's so popular with Bron stans, or hysterical fanatics like 97bulls.
These are YOUR arguments. My REBUTTAL is that Wadee 06 was a fluke. And I'm basing this on what has transpired since then.

[97 bulls]

So Wade is to blame for 2011?
No the Heats defense should be blamed.


Outside of that, Wade has never lost as the favorite.
Yes the Heat have. When the Bulls beat them the following year, they were the favorite. That was the year Kirk Hinrich got in his ass. So much so that he was nicknamed "the Wade stopper". But to be honest, he hasnt really had much success outside of Lebron James to even make that assesment.


You call six championships not a fluke, but then you call a guy who has won 3 of them a fluke. You f*ckin' guppy. You know jack shit.
Pippen played great in all but one of his championships. And even then, the year when he shot a bad %, he was still their best defender.


Wade would have 4 if it wasn't for Bron choking hard. He is a flat out better player than Pippen and it isn't a comparison.
James gave Wade the floor that year. And this isnt a Pippen comparison.

[HALLandOATES]

Show me what hes getting last 15- 20games minus the game he had to leave early.yeah thats right,hes done:facepalm

[HALLandOATES]

Hes been ballin and carried this p.o.s team thats beyond horrible minus dragic/hobbled deng/and a good blocker-rebonder whiteside.. (whos not a great defensive center yet despite his blocks)

Hes had 2 bad games,but ask any heat fan and they easily pick him over bosh anf without wade heat would have less than 20 wins.

Get outta here with this garbage thread,hes still top 15 and most of this season hes delivered but his team is just injured/crap.

[greatest-ever]

Why does Nowitzki have to win with garbage when Wade never did? Wades Heat team also had Shaq, Mourning, Posey, Payton, and Pat Riley coaching.
Shaq is the only guy on that roster mentioning and he only managed 14 on 53 ts% in the finals, Payton and Mourning were washed up vets who weren't even averaging 5 ppg come playoffs. Bringing them up is absolute nonsense. Try looking at their production and not just their names.



You mean like Wade? Funny thing is, Wade did have a number two guy in James. 18/7/7 from the number two guy should've been enough to get them a championship in 11. Like I keep saying, it wasn't their offense, it was their defense. Wade was getting his ass chewed up by Jason Kidd as well.
Did you watch that series or just look at the box score? Lebron was the co alpha on that team, 18 ppg with a no show in the 4th quarter won't cut it. And the heat had no depth to make up for Lbj's shortcomings. And lmao at Kidd stopping WAde, Wade went off for 27 7 5 on 62 ts%..would've been even higher if he didn't get injured game 5. Your comments make it ubandantly clear that you didn't watch the series because all you are doing is spewing nonsense with no facts to back it up.



These are YOUR arguments. My REBUTTAL is that Wadee 06 was a fluke. And I'm basing this on what has transpired since then.
It wasn't a fluke, Wade had a dominant title run and earned it. Deal with it. Ok what has happened since then? He went on to be a top 5 player from 2009-2011 the years he was healthy. THen won 2 more rings. Its stupid to judge him now as he's past his prime and has dealt with a ton of injuries in his career.

[AirFederer]

As a big fan of both Wade and Pip, I'd definately not call any of their rings flukes :no:
Pip had the most impact on defence as a wing player ever had. But Wade is clearly the better offensive player. Impactwise? Wade peaked higher.

Both great, great players :cheers:

[SouBeachTalents]

Overreaction much? Wade just had a March averaging 25/3/5 on 50%, and if you had realistic expectations for him, overall he's had a pretty good season. Wade's not gonna put up superstar numbers anymore, that's been evident for a couple of seasons now, and he's also gonna miss a number of games, that's been evident for most of his career. So anyone who expects otherwise at this point in his career is just a troll or an idiot.

[Rose'sACL]

he is done in the manner if you expect him to be your #1 or #2 option on offense for a championship contender.

he can give you some 25-30 points games but expectingly him to play on that level for a whole series is asking too much out of wade.

what wade fans should understand is that most intelligent posters are blaming wade's body and not his game.
wade just can't be trusted now.

[greatest-ever]

he is done in the manner if you expect him to be your #1 or #2 option on offense for a championship contender.

he can give you some 25-30 points games but expectingly him to play on that level for a whole series is asking too much out of wade.

what wade fans should understand is that most intelligent posters are blaming wade's body and not his game.
wade just can't be trusted now.
Huh? Have you read the comments in this thread? There are several posters claiming he was always overrated. Anyone who knows basketball, knows that Wade in his prime was consistenly a top 5 player or better.

[97 bulls]

Shaq is the only guy on that roster mentioning and he only managed 14 on 53 ts% in the finals, Payton and Mourning were washed up vets who weren't even averaging 5 ppg come playoffs. Bringing them up is absolute nonsense. Try looking at their production and not just their names.
Miami beat Dallas in 06 of their defense (and Wade going to the line an insane amount of times). Wade, Posey, Mourning, Shaq, and Payton. Along with timely shots made. Try watching the games not the stats.




Did you watch that series or just look at the box score? Lebron was the co alpha on that team, 18 ppg with a no show in the 4th quarter won't cut it. And the heat had no depth to make up for Lbj's shortcomings.
I haven't had this conversation with you, but if you are one of those that feel Wade is better than Pippen because Wade can take over games and Pippen can't then why didnt he do it in 11? Even coughing up a 15 pt lead with 8 minutes to go in the fourth. Thus why I say his 06 was a fluke. Even if James avg 18 ppg. He drew Dallas best defender. As well as their attention. So It was all set up for the taking and he failed miserably. To a team his team.should've beat.


And lmao at Kidd stopping WAde, Wade went off for 27 7 5 on 62 ts%..would've been even higher if he didn't get injured game 5. Your comments make it ubandantly clear that you didn't watch the series because all you are doing is spewing nonsense with no facts to back it up.
What I meant was Wade couldn't stop Kidd, or Terry or Berea for that matter. And I was posting this as the series progressed. Why couldn't Wade dig in a "D" up either of those guys.




It wasn't a fluke, Wade had a dominant title run and earned it. Deal with it. Ok what has happened since then? He went on to be a top 5 player from 2009-2011 the years he was healthy. THen won 2 more rings. Its stupid to judge him now as he's past his prime and has dealt with a ton of injuries in his career.
Never said he didnt earn it. What he did was a aberration. Again, ive never said he wasnt a great player. But I think his impact is overrated.

[97 bulls]

Huh? Have you read the comments in this thread? There are several posters claiming he was always overrated. Anyone who knows basketball, knows that Wade in his prime was consistenly a top 5 player or better.
Lol. Wade couldn't even win an All-NBA selection over old ass Kobe Bryant. Come on. I think hes a great player but his impact was overrated.

[Replay32]

Sad that after all these years in the league, he still hasn't developed a 3 point shot. It would help with wear and tear a bit IMO.

[OnFire]

Iverson had legit longevity.

Good to know because Wade is still playing and less than 75 games played less than Iverson including post season.

[greatest-ever]

Miami beat Dallas in 06 of their defense (and Wade going to the line an insane amount of times). Wade, Posey, Mourning, Shaq, and Payton. Along with timely shots made. Try watching the games not the stats.


Ok?..I'm not sure how much "timely" shots means in a vacuum, probably not much considering Wade carried the offensive load. The major point was you pointed to their names without any context which isn't helping to prove your point. And as i said they couldn't stop wade from attacking so he should've got a lot of free throws.


I haven't had this conversation with you, but if you are one of those that feel Wade is better than Pippen because Wade can take over games and Pippen can't then why didnt he do it in 11? Even coughing up a 15 pt lead with 8 minutes to go in the fourth. Thus why I say his 06 was a fluke. Even if James avg 18 ppg. He drew Dallas best defender. As well as their attention. So It was all set up for the taking and he failed miserably. To a team his team.should've beat.

I haven't said anything about Pippen but since you mention it yes, Wade was clearly a better player. The only case Pippen has is longevity and if you like to ring count. And if you say Wade can't take over playoff games then you are either being dishonest or you haven't watched him in the playoffs. You can try to discredit his 06 finals all you want but the fact is he destroyed the Pistons defense in the previous round with 27 6 6 on 68 ts% 62 fg%. In 05 he was a game away from the Finals and possibly would've won a title that year if he didn't get hurt in the Ecf and miss game 6. In 2011 he also had a monster series against Boston and then helped Lbj close out against Chicago. So yeah it's pretty damn ignorant to say Wade was never capable of taking over playoff games.

Also your little comment on the 2011 Finals is just stupid too, you realize Lbj had an 8 pt performance in game 4? Wade did all he could in that series, and the fact is Dirk had more help from his cast than Wade did so your argument is disingenuous.


What I meant was Wade couldn't stop Kidd, or Terry or Berea for that matter. And I was posting this as the series progressed. Why couldn't Wade dig in a "D" up either of those guys. Lbj was the one guarding Terry not Wade. ANd lol at not stopping Berea, Wade didn't guard him either and he was a 9 ppg on 46 ts% in the finals. I get that he had a good game or 2 but come on dude.





Never said he didnt earn it. What he did was a aberration. Again, ive never said he wasnt a great player. But I think his impact is overrated.
Nah it wasn't an aberration as i pointed out Wade was always a great playoff performer when healthy and brought facts to back it up. You on the other hand keep repeating the same crap with no evidence just narratives.

[97 bulls]

Ok?..I'm not sure how much "timely" shots means in a vacuum, probably not much considering Wade carried the offensive load. The major point was you pointed to their names without any context which isn't helping to prove your point. And as i said they couldn't stop wade from attacking so he should've got a lot of free throws.
I pointed their names out because another poster made it seem as if Wade made it to the Finals with a starting lineup of Dexter Pittman, Mike Bibbys "corpse" as he called him, Joel Anthony etc.



I haven't said anything about Pippen but since you mention it yes, Wade was clearly a better player. The only case Pippen has is longevity and if you like to ring count. And if you say Wade can't take over playoff games then you are either being dishonest or you haven't watched him in the playoffs. You can try to discredit his 06 finals all you want but the fact is he destroyed the Pistons defense in the previous round with 27 6 6 on 68 ts% 62 fg%. In 05 he was a game away from the Finals and possibly would've won a title that year if he didn't get hurt in the Ecf and miss game 6. In 2011 he also had a monster series against Boston and then helped Lbj close out against Chicago. So yeah it's pretty damn ignorant to say Wade was never capable of taking over playoff games.
Except for the fact that hus teams lost. And im not even bringing up those instances. Detroit wasn't the same team in 05. They were favored to win most of those series you mention. What about the atrocious Chicago series? In both 07 and 11? One of which he was favored and was shut down by Kirk Hinrich. And the other, he was bailed out by LeBron James and Udonis Haslem. Or his defensive effort or lack thereof againt the Dallas Mavs another team he was supposed to beat.


Also your little comment on the 2011 Finals is just stupid too, you realize Lbj had an 8 pt performance in game 4? Wade did all he could in that series, and the fact is Dirk had more help from his cast than Wade did so your argument is disingenuous.
The fact is the Heat were heavily favored vs the Mavs and lost with Wade as the man. Let me ask you this question. Why was 6'8 260 Lebron James drawing the assignment of the guards and not Wade huh?


Lbj was the one guarding Terry not Wade. ANd lol at not stopping Berea, Wade didn't guard him either and he was a 9 ppg on 46 ts% in the finals. I get that he had a good game or 2 but come on dude.
Bereas series got him a 4 year contract with the Wolves.



Nah it wasn't an aberration as i pointed out Wade was always a great playoff performer when healthy and brought facts to back it up. You on the other hand keep repeating the same crap with no evidence just narratives.
Dont see how. I alluded to three series. As I said earlier, he hasnt had much success outside of James stint with the Heat to begin with.

[upside24]

Yes.

[aj1987]

How can winning six championships possibly be a fluke? He basically put up similar numbers in everyone if them. And was defensively dominant and clutch from championship one to championship six and everything in between. Pippens Bulls never lost to teams they were supposed to beat did Wades?
Any decent perimeter player could've won with MJ. Pippen is lucky AF he played with MJ. He would've ended up with 0 rings and no other notable accolades if he didn't play with the GOAT.


Bereas series got him a 4 year contract with the Wolves.
The point still stands that he had TWO good games in that series. Dude averaged 5 points on 25/10/67 in the first 4 games.

Are you seriously bring up the 2007 series against the Bulls? The one in which Wade was playing with an injured shoulder (which had nerve damage as well)?

Do you not remember how bad Miami's interior defense was? Miami basically had NO 3pt shooters, bench full of scrubs, etc.. Mental midget Pippen wouldn't have even made the PO's with that team.

@ greatest-ever & plowking, Don't waste your time with this hack. Look up an old Pippen vs Wade thread. Dude ignores literally all contest and doesn't give a shit about FACTS.

[97 bulls]

Any decent perimeter player could've won with MJ. Pippen is lucky AF he played with MJ. He would've ended up with 0 rings and no other notable accolades if he didn't play with the GOAT.
Any decent player should've won with James and Shaq. Once Pippen came into his own, his prime, the Bulls never lost. And theh never lost to a team they should've beat. And he played injured plenty of times as well. Can't say this for Wade.



The point still stands that he had TWO good games in that series. Dude averaged 5 points on 25/10/67 in the first 4 games.
Well those two games he played great in got him a ring at Wade and the Heats expense. Again, why didnt Wade check him?


Are you seriously bring up the 2007 series against the Bulls? The one in which Wade was playing with an injured shoulder (which had nerve damage as well)?
Then he shouldn't have been playing then. And cut the injury excuse, all players play injured.


Do you not remember how bad Miami's interior defense was? Miami basically had NO 3pt shooters, bench full of scrubs, etc.. Mental midget Pippen wouldn't have even made the PO's with that team.
Typical. When the Heat loose blame eveyone but Wade, when they win all credit goes to Wade. Even blame James for 11. When he carried Wades brittle ass in 12 and 13.

[aj1987]

Any decent player should've won with James and Shaq. Once Pippen came into his own, his prime, the Bulls never lost. And theh never lost to a team they should've beat. And he played injured plenty of times as well. Can't say this for Wade.
Isn't Pippen the one who sat during a pivotal match because the coach hurt his feelings? :oldlol:

Yeah, good luck getting a "decent player" to put up 35 pp. in the Finals and hitting extremely clutch shots.



Well those two games he played great in got him a ring at Wade and the Heats expense. Again, why didnt Wade check him?
Most of the points he got were from jumpers. He just got hot. There's not much you can do when a player makes his jumpers (contested). 5 PPG on 25/10/67 in the first 4 games. The series would've been a sweep if LeChoke showed up.


Then he shouldn't have been playing then. And cut the injury excuse, all players play injured.
:roll:

Didn't Pippen sit game 7 of the '90 ECF with a migraine? Wade was playing with nerve damage in his dislocated shoulder and knee issues. If Wade didn't play, it would've been Shaq/Williams/Haslem/Eddie/Posey. Each game would've been a 30pt blowout.

BTW, is that a serious ****ing statement? "Then he shouldn't have been playing then."? Just like your idol, huh?


Typical. When the Heat loose blame eveyone but Wade, when they win all credit goes to Wade. Even blame James for 11. When he carried Wades brittle ass in 12 and 13.
I didn't blame him for last seasons Finals loss. I said several times that Wade choked massively and sucked ass. EXACT words. Those aren't excuses, BTW. Those are FACTS. Once again you choose to ignore FACTS and create your own delusional BS. Keep living in that fantasy world, kid.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. You're NEVER seen a SINGLE Heat game. Yet you choose to comment on the happening as if you have a clue. :oldlol:

Pippen - Jordan = A borderline top 75 player of all time.
Wade - LeBron = ~Top 30 GOAT.

[plowking]

Dont see how. I alluded to three series. As I said earlier, he hasnt had much success outside of James stint with the Heat to begin with.

Wade had more success outside of his time with James than Pippen did with Jordan.

[97 bulls]

Isn't Pippen the one who sat during a pivotal match because the coach hurt his feelings? :oldlol:

Yeah, good luck getting a "decent player" to put up 35 pp. in the Finals and hitting extremely clutch shots.
Lol. Give any decent player 20+ fts and his stats are gonna look amazing as well.



Most of the points he got were from jumpers. He just got hot. There's not much you can do when a player makes his jumpers (contested). 5 PPG on 25/10/67 in the first 4 games. The series would've been a sweep if LeChoke showed up.
If either of them would've been able to control Berea, they would've won. Plain and simple.



Didn't Pippen sit game 7 of the '90 ECF with a migraine? Wade was playing with nerve damage in his dislocated shoulder and knee issues. If Wade didn't play, it would've been Shaq/Williams/Haslem/Eddie/Posey. Each game would've been a 30pt blowout.
But you know the difference? Im not making excuses for Pippens bad game 7.



I didn't blame him for last seasons Finals loss. I said several times that Wade choked massively and sucked ass. EXACT words. Those aren't excuses, BTW. Those are FACTS. Once again you choose to ignore FACTS and create your own delusional BS. Keep living in that fantasy world, kid.
Lol. I dont keep track of you like that. I appreciate your honesty. Understand that im not arguing as to why you feel Wade is better than Pippen. My gripe is with your reasoning. I can't give a guy the nod over someone for what he did once and controversially at that. If youre gonna tell me that then I better see him taking over a hell of a lot of games. Especially when he should be winning. Which you cant seem to wrap your head around.

[Bigsmoke]

Wade thinks he can play like he did when he was 24 even tho he 33. U will slow down no matter how well u take care of yourself.

That and having bad knees isn't a good formula

[305Baller]

Chew on this:

Current Wade = 90's Bird.

[97 bulls]

Wade had more success outside of his time with James than Pippen did with Jordan.
He had more opportunities. Its a stawman argument anyway. He also failed more.

[funnystuff]

Wade has been sh*t after the 2012 finals

[aj1987]

Lol. Give any decent player 20+ fts and his stats are gonna look amazing as well.
He averaged 16, moron. It's like you're allergic to FACTS. How about Wade's 11 Finals? Even though Wade lost, Pippen never even came close to having that good of a Finals. Not to mention Pippen's '96 and '98 Finals were worse than ANY of Wade's.



If either of them would've been able to control Berea, they would've won. Plain and simple.
Yeah, because it was Barea scoring 10+ PPG on good efficiency in the 4th Q's of close games and not Dirk. How ****ing stupid are you dude? Go watch the games.


But you know the difference? Im not making excuses for Pippens bad game 7.
He has NONE. He sat a game 7 because of a freaking headache, while Wade was playing first round series with a dislocated shoulder and knee injuries. Not to mention that Pippen was playing with the GOAT and Wade had washed up Shaq + scrubs.


Lol. I dont keep track of you like that. I appreciate your honesty. Understand that im not arguing as to why you feel Wade is better than Pippen. My gripe is with your reasoning. I can't give a guy the nod over someone for what he did once and controversially at that. If youre gonna tell me that then I better see him taking over a hell of a lot of games. Especially when he should be winning. Which you cant seem to wrap your head around.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

If only you spent your time actually watching the games, instead of pretending.

[97 bulls]

He averaged 16, moron. It's like you're allergic to FACTS. How about Wade's 11 Finals? Even though Wade lost, Pippen never even came close to having that good of a Finals. Not to mention Pippen's '96 and '98 Finals were worse than ANY of Wade's.

Who avgd 16 ppg? Pippen? Ok. Then give another 12 Fts Made. That would put him at roughly 28/30 ppg. Along with 8/9 rebounds, 6/7 assists, and defense on the level of a center. And mind you that 16 ppg figure you quited? Isnt prime Pippen. He hovered around 20/22 ppg. And I also included the fact that Pippen already takes 4/5 fts to get to 20 and hes not gonna make as many as Wade did. Pippen would have better stats and ten times more impact due to defense.


Yeah, because it was Barea scoring 10+ PPG on good efficiency in the 4th Q's of close games and not Dirk. How ****ing stupid are you dude? Go watch the games.
Lol. If the Heat hold Berea to his avg in the last two games, Wade has 4 championships.


He has NONE. He sat a game 7 because of a freaking headache, while Wade was playing first round series with a dislocated shoulder and knee injuries. Not to mention that Pippen was playing with the GOAT and Wade had washed up Shaq + scrubs.
Would you have not brought Pips migrane up had Pippen played and just had a bad game like Wade? And please. No one help him let him answer this question on his own.

[aj1987]

Who avgd 16 ppg? Pippen? Ok. Then give another 12 Fts Made. That would put him at roughly 28/30 ppg. Along with 8/9 rebounds, 6/7 assists, and defense on the level of a center. And mind you that 16 ppg figure you quited? Isnt prime Pippen. He hovered around 20/22 ppg. And I also included the fact that Pippen already takes 4/5 fts to get to 20 and hes not gonna make as many as Wade did. Pippen would have better stats and ten times more impact due to defense.
:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

You do know that basketball doesn't work that way, right??

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Seriously, how ****ing stupid are you?

EDIT: The FT's, you idiot. Wade averaged 16 FT's a game. Not 20. Please stop posting. You have the IQ of an ape.


Lol. If the Heat hold Berea to his avg in the last two games, Wade has 4 championships.
Or if LeBron does slightly better than 3 PPG on 33% shooting in the 4th Q's. Or how about LeBron scoring more than 8 PPG on 3-11 shooting in game 5? A game which Miami lost by 3.


Would you have not brought Pips migrane up had Pippen played and just had a bad game like Wade? And please. No one help him let him answer this question on his own.
You're comparing a migraine to a dislocated shoulder with nerve damage and a ****ed up knee? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

This was the same shit in the other thread. I'm done here with your idiocy.

Wade >>>> Pippen and it's not even close. Wade = 18-25 GOAT, while Pippen = borderline top 40. Deal with it.

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

Wade isn't done. Kevin Durant is going that road. He's done.

[97 bulls]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

You do know that basketball doesn't work that way, right??

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Seriously, how ****ing stupid are you?

EDIT: The FT's, you idiot. Wade averaged 16 FT's a game. Not 20. Please stop posting. You have the IQ of an ape.
Im going off your scenario. Wade avg 18 FTs in the games in question.


Or if LeBron does slightly better than 3 PPG on 33% shooting in the 4th Q's. Or how about LeBron scoring more than 8 PPG on 3-11 shooting in game 5? A game which Miami lost by 3.
Like I told you. They lost because of their defense. And that includes Wade.



You're comparing a migraine to a dislocated shoulder with nerve damage and a ****ed up knee? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
I've never had migranes. So I can't comment on their severity. But I do know that when athletes get them, they miss games. I remember Kareem had one vs the Sixers in 82 and he only played 28 minutes scoring 6 points. Pippen played 44 minutes vs the Bad Boy Detroit Pistons when he got his. All while getting cheap shotted and hit over the head and tackled etc. Even the mighty Dwayne Wade sits out when he has migranes.

Wade is a great player, but hes overrated. You guys need to be thanking Lebron James not blaming him. And lets not forget that Chris Bosh chipped in roughly 18 ppg as well.

[aj1987]

Im going off your scenario. Wade avg 18 FTs in the games in question.
He averaged 16 for the series. Even without the FT's in the 4 games you're talking about, he averaged 25 PPG on 50%. Still better than ANY series than Pippen EVER had.


Like I told you. They lost because of their defense. And that includes Wade.
They lost because one person decided to turn into Casper.


Wade is a great player, but hes overrated. You guys need to be thanking Lebron James nit blaming him.
Not even close to being as overrated as Pippen.

[ArbitraryWater]

aj: "Pippen more rpg, apg, defense? YOU KNOW BASKETBALL ANALOGY DOESNT WORK THAT WAY!!"

2 days ago "Wade was a better playmaker and defender than Dirk" >> end of argument

[plowking]

He had more opportunities. Its a stawman argument anyway. He also failed more.

What has Pippen done without Jordan? Nothing.

Wade reached the 2nd round of the playoffs as a rookie, and he was the best player on the team.
Next season he reaches the ECF.
The next he wins a championship.
Then he is injured the next two seasons.
Comes back and averages 30/8/5 on 49%. 1st team All-NBA.
Next season averages 27/7/5 and is 1st team again.
Then he goes back to winning championships essentially.

Which bit is overrated?

Wade is underrated asswipe. He deserves more 1st teams than he has, the "championship" excuse to rate players doesn't seem to apply to him for some reason, and he has never been given the credit for his defense. At his best, better than Kobe on the defensive side, and yet not a single 1st defense team. Ridiculous.

Pippen is the severely overrated one. Top 50 player all time? He isn't close. Jordan's championships elevate him to that level. He ends up on any other team and he is just another Penny, T-Mac, Sprewell level player.

[aj1987]

aj: "Pippen more rpg, apg, defense? YOU KNOW BASKETBALL ANALOGY DOESNT WORK THAT WAY!!"

2 days ago "Wade was a better playmaker and defender than Dirk" >> end of argument
Difference is, the only 2 things that Pippen did better than Wade was rebounding and defense, dumb ****. Wade is a significantly better scorer and a better playmaker as well.

Go out and get some sun, kid.

[macpierce]

Wade is still a good player, but the superstar days are behind him.

[97 bulls]

What has Pippen done without Jordan? Nothing.

Wade reached the 2nd round of the playoffs as a rookie, and he was the best player on the team.
Next season he reaches the ECF.
The next he wins a championship.
Then he is injured the next two seasons.
Comes back and averages 30/8/5 on 49%. 1st team All-NBA.
Next season averages 27/7/5 and is 1st team again.
Then he goes back to winning championships essentially.

Which bit is overrated?

Wade is underrated asswipe. He deserves more 1st teams than he has, the "championship" excuse to rate players doesn't seem to apply to him for some reason, and he has never been given the credit for his defense. At his best, better than Kobe on the defensive side, and yet not a single 1st defense team. Ridiculous.

Pippen is the severely overrated one. Top 50 player all time? He isn't close. Jordan's championships elevate him to that level. He ends up on any other team and he is just another Penny, T-Mac, Sprewell level player.
Like I stated. Wade was a great player. But hes had his stinkers like Pippen, Hes needed to have other great players around him like Pippen, he had to play injured like Pippen.

What makes him overrated is when people try to make it seem as if he won by himself. You ask me what has Pippen done without Jordan, and I ask you what has Wade done without Shaq or James?

I not a fan if one player. Im a fan of the team. I feel Rodman bailed out both Jordan and Pippen in 96. You wanna disgard all the accomplishments the 06 Heat contributed. And want to make it seem like Wade had no help. And no talent. When that couldn't be further from the truth.

The 06 Heat still had the league's best Center, hell their backup center would've probably started on 90% of the teams in the league. And they had savy vets like Payton, Williams and Walker. Guys who maybe didnt contribute statistically, but had to be respected which made Wades job easier. And again, I cant emphasize this enough. Dont blame the team for losing and then credit one player for the success. No one does it alone.

As much as you may not like it, Wade 06 championship run is mired in controversy. Even the NBA came out and said the refs misinterpreted the new rules after that run if I remember correctly.

Even Shaq never got ti shoot tgat many FTs. And they fouled him intentionally.

[BlackVVaves]

Bron leading a team with Kyrie and Kevin Love to a losing record was a bigger choke.

He needed to get another 7 footer, a 6th man of the year, and one of the best defensive wings in Shumpert to actually start winning.

The Cavs record wouldn't be much better than the Heat if they didn't stack their roster even more.

Not sure if cereal.

[upside24]

Wade is still a good player, but the superstar days are behind him.
As long as he can stay healthy of course he is still a good player. He may still have vintage games like the 40 he had a few weeks ago but like you said his best games are behind him.

[aj1987]

What makes him overrated is when people try to make it seem as if he won by himself. You ask me what has Pippen done without Jordan, and I ask you what has Wade done without Shaq or James?
Went to the 2nd round as a ROOKIE hitting game winners in the PO's. Carried a bunch of absolute scrubs to the PO's.


The 06 Heat still had the league's best Center, hell their backup center would've probably started on 90% of the teams in the league. And they had savy vets like Payton, Williams and Walker. Guys who maybe didnt contribute statistically, but had to be respected which made Wades job easier. And again, I cant emphasize this enough. Dont blame the team for losing and then credit one player for the success. No one does it alone.
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Respect wins games? :roll: :roll:

Good god, you're a ****ing idiot. Looks like you're just enamored with the names and not their performances. Shaq was good, but he was not even close to being what he was just the previous season. Dude sucked in the Finals as well (his ONLY bad Finals). It was Wade, Shaq, and below-average role-players.


As much as you may not like it, Wade 06 championship run is mired in controversy. Even the NBA came out and said the refs misinterpreted the new rules after that run if I remember correctly.




Even Shaq never got ti shoot tgat many FTs. And they fouled him intentionally.
Dirk averaged just 0.9 FT's fewer than Wade in the Playoffs. The guy who shot more jumpers than Wade. Lets not act like Dirk didn't get a shit ton of FT's.

The FACT still stands. Wade won with Shaq who was a shell of his former self. Pippen ONLY won because he played with the GOAT during his PEAK and PRIME.

I'll say this again, 'cause you're thick AF: Shaq wasn't in his prime/peak. Dude was a liability on the defensive end and struggled in the Finals.

From one of my earlier posts: Wade >>>> Pippen and it's not even close. Wade = 18-25 GOAT, while Pippen = borderline top 40. Deal with it.

[greatest-ever]

97 Bulls cleary lacks objectivity and continues to bring up Wade's shortcomings while ignoring context. Also gives no credit for the big playoff runs/series that Wade has had 05 playoffs averaged 29 8 7 before his pistons series where he was a sophmore and 23 years old. 2010 he was a one man recking crew with 33 6 7 on 65 ts% against the celtics in the 1st round, his entire 06 playoff run. His 2011 playoff run was great, and saying they were favored and its Wade's fault is disingenuous because you're teammates have to show up. 2012 playoffs was a solid run as a 2nd option and helped take over the indiana series.

Instead of acknowledging Wade's accomplishemnts he nitpicks stupid things like the 07 chicago series where Wade was hurt basically the whole 2nd half of the season.

No facts all narratives and cherry picking with 97 bulls, he ignores facts and also ignores context entirely.

[Legends66NBA7]

Big game for the Heat tonight. Looking to see if Wade bounces back from Thursday.

[kennethgriffin]

lol@ wade possibly retiring the same year as kobe

[dubeta]

lol@ wade possibly retiring the same year as kobe

Kobe's a bad example, Kobe's been finished for half a decade now, his retiring would be his 'formal' goodbye even though he's been actually retired for years now.