why I don't think Curry's roster should disqualify him from the mvp

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Curry's team, stacked as they are, can't win a championship without him
Hardens team, depeleted as they've been.....won't (most likely) win a championship WITH him

So since we're delving into hypotheticals.....isn't that more important than regular season 'value'?

Mind you I'm not hating, both are deserving candidates and both would be worthy winners.

[Chadwin]

It's a regular season award.

The Rockets don't make the playoffs without Harden

The Warriors make the playoffs without Curry.

[iamgine]

I think Harden will do just as well as Curry if given a team equivalent to GSW.

Can't say the same for Curry if given the equivalent of Rockets.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

It's a regular season award.

The Rockets don't make the playoffs without Harden

The Warriors make the playoffs without Curry.
Yes, but clearly it plays a role in the minds of voters.

I dont think its correct for a player to actually get penalized for playing on a great team lol. Was MJ not the '96 MVP because his team won 72 games with an incredibly formidable roster?

[Chadwin]

Yes, but clearly it plays a role in the minds of voters.

I dont think its correct for a player to actually get penalized for playing on a great team lol. Was MJ not the '96 MVP because his team won 72 games with an incredibly formidable roster?

There was nobody else in 1996 that was carrying his team to the playoffs like Harden is doing right now.

Penny had Shaq
Robinson had Elliot
Payton had Kemp
Hakeem had Drexler

[sd3035]

Curry's team only seems stacked because they play such great team ball. Iidivdually, Curry is the only superstar


Harden has Howard, and a bunch of players similar to the Warriors


Curry >>>>>>> Harden

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

There was nobody else in 1996 that was carrying his team to the playoffs like Harden is doing right now.

Penny had Shaq
Robinson had Elliot
Payton had Kemp
Hakeem had Drexler
So say we transport Harden to that season, surround him with a similar supporting cast, and that team wins 53-55 games.

Does Harden win the MVP over Jordan despite clearly being the inferior player and despite the voters knowing that Jordan will be the driving force of the team that is the heavy favourite to win the title? :biggums:

The MVP, as has been proven throughout history, is a blend of most valuable, most indispensable, best player, and best player on the best team. By your criteria, we disqualify a huge percentage of the best players in the league.....thats just the antithesis of logic imo.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Basically, in some peoples minds= less than stellar team is good for your MVP odds, whereas having a formidable supporting cast handicaps you.

Its just totally ridiculous to me. And before appealing to the criteria of the award, well.....there is no set criteria. Its one of the vaguest awards in sports. Hence it boggles my mind when certain posters insinuate that other posters don't understand how it works or how it should be awarded.

To reiterate....its CLEARLY a mix of best player, best player on the best team, and most valuable/indispensable. Anybody who thinks otherwise is turning a blind eye to the history of the voting process.

[Chadwin]

Curry's team only seems stacked because they play such great team ball. Iidivdually, Curry is the only superstar


Harden has Howard, and a bunch of players similar to the Warriors


Curry >>>>>>> Harden

:biggums: Have you seen their games played and all the injuries?

[gts]

I dont think its correct for a player to actually get penalized for playing on a great team lol. Was MJ not the '96 MVP because his team won 72 games with an incredibly formidable roster?

Well said, it never has played a role before I see no reason it should now..

Curry clearly the best player and leader of the best team in the league this season

[gts]

:biggums: Have you seen their games played and all the injuries?

And that's Curry's problem why?

Why should Curry or anyone else be penalized because of the Rockets and their injures? That's never been a concern in the MVP vote before why should it be now and it's not like the Rockets are the only team that had injuries to deal with

Under your criteria then maybe the award should go to somebody like Westbrook because he had far greater injuries to deal with than Harden did or are you now going to cite games won?

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Harden has Howard, and a bunch of players similar to the Warriors

:biggums:

[Akrazotile]

Why do people take anything regarding teams into consideration?

Who was the LEAGUES most valuable player based on court impact this season. Like, who was the best player?

Stop using team achievements as a crutch not to have to thk and analyze and articulate. Who was the most valuable player? The truth is that it was probably Anthony Davis. But people will be scared to vote for him because of the "YOU HAVE 2 REWARD TEH WINNING!!" cliche.

Ok, so if you have it down to Harden and Curry, just ask yourself, if I was starting a team and could get either of them to play the way they did this season, who am I taking?

Theres no reason consider anything about their current teams' roster and record.


How tf do people still not get this???

[gts]

Why do people take anything regarding teams into consideration?

Who was the LEAGUES most valuable player based on court impact this season. Like, who was the best player?

Stop using team achievements as a crutch not to have to thk and analyze and articulate. Who was the most valuable player? The truth is that it was probably Anthony Davis. But people will be scared to vote for him because of the "YOU HAVE 2 REWARD TEH WINNING!!" cliche.

Ok, so if you have it down to Harden and Curry, just ask yourself, if I was starting a team and could get either of them to play the way they did this season, who am I taking?

Theres no reason consider anything about their current teams' roster and record.


How tf do people still not get this???

It's not the best player award it's the most valuable player and they play the game to win that's why wins are and have always been a main point of the voters criteria

[Chadwin]

Why do people take anything regarding teams into consideration?

Who was the LEAGUES most valuable player based on court impact this season. Like, who was the best player?

Stop using team achievements as a crutch not to have to thk and analyze and articulate. Who was the most valuable player? The truth is that it was probably Anthony Davis. But people will be scared to vote for him because of the "YOU HAVE 2 REWARD TEH WINNING!!" cliche.

Ok, so if you have it down to Harden and Curry, just ask yourself, if I was starting a team and could get either of them to play the way they did this season, who am I taking?

Theres no reason consider anything about their current teams' roster and record.


How tf do people still not get this???

because of Iverson in 2001

[Akrazotile]

It's not the best player award it's the most valuable player and they play the game to win that's why wins are and have always been a main point of the voters criteria


Youre reading too much into it.

That's like saying the "Most Outstanding Player" award in the NCAA tourney should be given to whomever makes the most headlines. Like if a 5'6 australian aboriginal got some court time he should get it for "Standing out" the most.

MVP is a generic term. It just means whomever played the best that year. Like do you really think it should involve theoretical discussions about supporting casts? Why on Earth would you rather discuss that than simply who played the best?

Anthony Davis had a fantastic year, it's embarrassing that basketball fans would want to exlude him from the discussion because theyre stuck on some lame sportswriter cliche fallbacks about winning the game. Wins and losses are assigned to teams. MVP is awarded to a player. Otherwise why not just award Steph or Harden the NBA Championship and have done with it?

They play the playoffs to determine the most excellent team. Thats completely separate from the leagues most valuable player. Would you take Davis or Lebron over Harden based on how they played this year? If so, that means theyre more valuable.

[iamgine]

There's no single defining criteria for MVP. Everyone has their own.

[Beastmode88]

Regular season media award.

[sundizz]

The MVP is an effort + ability award. It rewards (and should) the player that had the best regular season.

Unquestionably, this is Stephen Curry.

He broke his own three point record, was healthy the whole year, and led his team to a better record than they ever have had in their history.

If you want to argue whether Bron is more valuable, Harden, Westbrook, Davis etc that is all legit.

However, there is absolutely no question who is the MVP. The only other real contenders are Bron and Harden. Wins matter...which sucks for Brook and Davis but to get a MVP all things should align to support your cause. Shaq only has 1. Can't just be giving away the the award for nonsense reasons.