Michael Smith's idiotic argument on why the draft lottery isn't rigged.

[Eric Cartman]

"Why would the league want to continue to give Cleveland the #1 pick?"

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :facepalm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQpQHv6mgJ8&ab_channel=HisAndHers&hd=1

[Eric Cartman]

As rigged as the WWE. Pisses me the f*ck off.

Might as well put some spandex on these boys and let them hit one another over the head with chairs.

Pisses me the f*ck off.

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[RightTwoCensor]

The NBA Lottery System has always been rigged, everyone knows it. They need to do something more obvious for the viewers that would raise less suspicion.

[JellyBean]

The NBA Lottery System has always been rigged, everyone knows it. They need to do something more obvious for the viewers that would raise less suspicion.

I agree. The Lottery system is crooked as a $3 dollar bill. As a Timberwolves fan, in 15 years of being in the lottery we have never gotten the #1 pick. Suspicious? I think there was a stat released awhile ago, I forgot the site; Bleacher Report or some other basketball site, that showed in the eighteen years of using the current lottery system, the team with the worst record has only been awarded the pick twice. 2/18 = 0.11%. Hmmm

[GOBB]

How is it rigged? :oldlol:

[GOBB]

I agree. The Lottery system is crooked as a $3 dollar bill. As a Timberwolves fan, in 15 years of being in the lottery we have never gotten the #1 pick. Suspicious? I think there was a stat released awhile ago, I forgot the site; Bleacher Report or some other basketball site, that showed in the eighteen years of using the current lottery system, the team with the worst record has only been awarded the pick twice. 2/18 = 0.11%. Hmmm

But people complain about teams tanking, teams being bad saying they don't deserve the #1 pick and the lottery needs to change. And by people its people in the NBA (coaches, players), sports media and fans. :confusedshrug:

[Eric Cartman]

At the very least, claiming it's not rigged is as insane as claiming that it is. Show the public the process that goes into it, the ping pong balls jumping around, the regular lottery does it, so why not the NBA? You can't just have a lottery and not have the actual f*cking lottery. Bullshit going on in closed doors, team representatives sitting there don't know shit, that's f*cking bullshit, believe whatever you want but that's not right.

Cleveland wins the lottery 3 times in 4 years, including with a 1.7% chance in a stacked stacked draft, you can't make this shit up, just right when Lebron is about to hit free agency, stop believing in fairy tales, this is not a conspiracy, it's the real deal people.

Why would the league give Cleveland all these picks? Cause Lebron is coming back and he wants a stacked team in his hometown. Is that so difficult to believe? I mean, ffs, do you know the fortune Lebron brings to the league? Giving him a few toys to play with is nothing to them, too bad the Cavs f*cked up many of the high picks they got (Thompson, Waiters, Bennett).

Potentially, you could've given Lebron:

Wiggins
Noel
Kyrie
Drummond
Jonas V

Too bad the Cavs can't draft for shit unless it's the #1, even then they picked Bennett :lol , that's why you need 3 out of 4 so even they can't f*ck it up.

[GOBB]

At the very least, claiming it's not rigged is as insane as claiming that it is. Show the public the process that goes into it, the ping pong balls jumping around, the regular lottery does it, so why not the NBA? You can't just have a lottery and not have the actual f*cking lottery. Bullshit going on in closed doors, team representatives sitting there don't know shit, that's f*cking bullshit, believe whatever you want but that's not right.

Cleveland wins the lottery 3 times in 4 years, including with a 1.7% chance in a stacked stacked draft, you can't make this shit up, just right when Lebron is about to hit free agency, stop believing in fairy tales, this is not a conspiracy, it's the real deal people.

Why would the league give Cleveland all these picks? Cause Lebron is coming back and he wants a stacked team in his hometown. Is that so difficult to believe? I mean, ffs, do you know the fortune Lebron brings to the league? Giving him a few toys to play with is nothing to them, too bad the Cavs f*cked up many of the high picks they got (Thompson, Waiters, Bennett).

Potentially, you could've given Lebron:

Wiggins
Noel
Kyrie
Drummond
Jonas V

Too bad the Cavs can't draft for shit unless it's the #1, even then they picked Bennett :lol , that's why you need 3 out of 4 so even they can't f*ck it up.

Totally disagree with bold. IF the lottery was done by commish and 2-3 other people with the NBA. Sure that statement could hold more weight. But the lottery process includes the NBA, teams, one selected media member and an auditing company that takes pride in their job. So rigging, funny business would hurt them and their rep more than help. It's quite a bit of hands on eyes to assume they are all in on the fix.

Also why does the lottery need to be fixed for the Cavs solely? Who else was it fixed for. Why not big market teams like the New York Knicks who have had chances to win the lottery but never did. This is probably the first legitimate chance NY has in years to get the #1 pick/win lottery. And even still they could find themselves drafting 2nd like Bucks did last season being the worst team. The year my Sixers won the #2 pick and they let Wash take #1. What was the fix there? Or these years the lottery went as planned, its just rigged certain times like when Cleveland wins it? I'm just trying to understand.

What about 2015, if Lakers win the lottery is it fixed for LA? Big market team, bad for two years not good for the image of the NBA, Kobe last hoo rah. I'm just tossing out statements here but you get where I'm going with it. Will that be considered a rig or nature took its course since they will have the 4th worst record with decent odds to win it.

Teams in lottery with poor chances to win it have won. Toronto did it. It may have been the Bargnani draft where they were 8th or 9th worst and won lottery. It's something I'd have to check. But I know they did the same thing Cavs did with the jump. Shit it could happen this draft. Denver mess around and win it. Lottery is not this closed thing the commish and his henchman do solo.

[warriorfan]

As rigged as the WWE. Pisses me the f*ck off.

Might as well put some spandex on these boys and let them hit one another over the head with chairs.

Pisses me the f*ck off.

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CP3 should do pro wrestling, no one would be able to sell a chest chop as well as him.

[ZenMaster]

Totally disagree with bold. IF the lottery was done by commish and 2-3 other people with the NBA. Sure that statement could hold more weight. But the lottery process includes the NBA, teams, one selected media member and an auditing company that takes pride in their job. So rigging, funny business would hurt them and their rep more than help. It's quite a bit of hands on eyes to assume they are all in on the fix.

Also why does the lottery need to be fixed for the Cavs solely? Who else was it fixed for. Why not big market teams like the New York Knicks who have had chances to win the lottery but never did. This is probably the first legitimate chance NY has in years to get the #1 pick/win lottery. And even still they could find themselves drafting 2nd like Bucks did last season being the worst team. The year my Sixers won the #2 pick and they let Wash take #1. What was the fix there? Or these years the lottery went as planned, its just rigged certain times like when Cleveland wins it? I'm just trying to understand.

What about 2015, if Lakers win the lottery is it fixed for LA? Big market team, bad for two years not good for the image of the NBA, Kobe last hoo rah. I'm just tossing out statements here but you get where I'm going with it. Will that be considered a rig or nature took its course since they will have the 4th worst record with decent odds to win it.

Teams in lottery with poor chances to win it have won. Toronto did it. It may have been the Bargnani draft where they were 8th or 9th worst and won lottery. It's something I'd have to check. But I know they did the same thing Cavs did with the jump. Shit it could happen this draft. Denver mess around and win it. Lottery is not this closed thing the commish and his henchman do solo.

Sorry but you're not refuting his statements, just making your own.

It's not bad for the NBA and that audit company to rig the draft, it's bad to get caught. Just had to get that out of the way.

This is not a all or nothing scenario, the NBA could be rigging it sometimes, doesn't have to be all the time.

In regards to the actual lottery, is there no reason not to have it public? Would you trust a money lottery if you couldn't see the actual numbers being drawn? Would you trust a casino playing roulette without being able to see the ball spin and actually land somewhere?

It's not just that the odds are so high of winning the lottery 3 out of 4 year that you'd have a better chance at waking up next to Jessica Alba tomorrow morning, but it's the fact that it happened within that exact time frame as well.

Oh and please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the only year they didn't win it when the Pelicans were finally sold and then awarded the #1 pick a minute later?

Again, you couldn't make this shit up.

[GOBB]

Sorry but you're not refuting his statements, just making your own.

It's not bad for the NBA and that audit company to rig the draft, it's bad to get caught. Just had to get that out of the way.

This is not a all or nothing scenario, the NBA could be rigging it sometimes, doesn't have to be all the time.

In regards to the actual lottery, is there no reason not to have it public? Would you trust a money lottery if you couldn't see the actual numbers being drawn? Would you trust a casino playing roulette without being able to see the ball spin and actually land somewhere?

It's not just that the odds are so high of winning the lottery 3 out of 4 year that you'd have a better chance at waking up next to Jessica Alba tomorrow morning, but it's the fact that it happened within that exact time frame as well.

Oh and please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the only year they didn't win it when the Pelicans were finally sold and then awarded the #1 pick a minute later?

Again, you couldn't make this shit up.

Take the bold for example. How do you even know the lottery that you see isn't rigged? You dont and never once questioned it. All because you saw it. Again, the people in the room that aren't the audit company (yeah they'll compromise their integrity for what?) and NBA. Its actual TEAM representatives and a media member as well. Not once in your post did you address this. Why? I'll wait. Let me guess, NBA and audit company rigged it beforehand right? I'll stop putting words in your mouth and let me see your answer.

And explain what years besides Cavs/Pelicans were rigged and why? This thread seems like a pull shit from your ass conversation if you ask me. :confusedshrug:

NY has never won the lottery. What reason would the league not let them win it but the Cavs post Bron?

I would wager a case of beer IF we are still posting on this site the day the NBA decides to let the public watch the lottery process. AND I'll BET a case of beer that people still find it to be rigged. Just because.

And yes you can make this shit up like you and others have.

[ZenMaster]

You probably thought planes didnt hit thw WTC or that a demolition crew brought them down. Secretly rigging the building as construction crews years prior.


Take the bold for example. How do you even know the lottery that you see isn't rigged? You dont and never once questioned it. All because you saw it. Again, the people in the room that aren't the audit company (yeah they'll compromise their integrity for what?) and NBA. Its actual TEAM representatives and a media member as well. Not once in your post did you address this. Why? I'll wait. Let me guess, NBA and audit company rigged it beforehand right? I'll stop putting words in your mouth and let me see your answer.

And explain what years besides Cavs/Pelicans were rigged and why? This thread seems like a pull shit from your ass conversation if you ask me. :confusedshrug:

NY has never won the lottery. What reason would the league not let them win it but the Cavs post Bron?

I would wager a case of beer IF we are still posting on this site the day the NBA decides to let the public watch the lottery process. AND I'll BET a case of beer that people still find it to be rigged. Just because.

And yes you can make this shit up like you and others have.


I don't know that a national lottery isn't rigged, but I'd by highly suprised if the companies who run it isn't overseen by a 3rd party government agency, just like casinos are. I work in an online gambling company, we're under all kinds of audits to maintain licenses.
Being able to see a lottery doesn't guarantee that it isn't rigged, but it's always been a sign of trust that you actually can see it. Again, why aren't we allowed to see the NBA lottery?

I don't know if it's one or the other, like I said it's not an all or nothing scenario where it's 100% rigged or 0%. Certainly not going to comment on specific years, but the last 4 #1 picks are very suspect.

Like I said, I don't know, but I do know that it's completely OK to question it as the NBA is a private company only governing itself. They have everything to gaing from it as long as they don't get "caught". Is there even a law stating the NBA has to do it as they say are? I honestly don't know, but it's an entertainment company so I wouldn't be suprised if they could do whatever they want.


Edit: please don't do personal attacks using a big event like that full of death to make a loud point that I'm crazy, it's in bad taste.

[Eric Cartman]

Oh and please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the only year they didn't win it when the Pelicans were finally sold and then awarded the #1 pick a minute later?

Again, you couldn't make this shit up.

Beautiful :applause:

Let's not forget the Bulls winning with 1.7% odds the year hometown hero D-Rose is about to join the league.

Again, you couldn't make this shit up.

[Eric Cartman]

NY has never won the lottery.

You might want to double check that.

[Random_Guy]

lol went through this a million times already lol.
no the nba wont rig that shit, because for all the profit it brings them...the potential catastrophe it would bring if it was found out would destroy the whole league lol

[ImKobe]

Yeah, that's why Stern blocked CP3 to the Lakers and that's why we didn't win the lottery last year...please.

NBA isn't rigged. They don't need to rig a draft lottery to make their money.

[GOBB]

You might want to double check that.

You know what I meant but in recent years the NYK have been in the lottery and never won it. Why wasn't it rigged for them? Still no answer doe

[GOBB]

I don't know that a national lottery isn't rigged, but I'd by highly suprised if the companies who run it isn't overseen by a 3rd party government agency, just like casinos are. I work in an online gambling company, we're under all kinds of audits to maintain licenses.
Being able to see a lottery doesn't guarantee that it isn't rigged, but it's always been a sign of trust that you actually can see it. Again, why aren't we allowed to see the NBA lottery?

I don't know if it's one or the other, like I said it's not an all or nothing scenario where it's 100% rigged or 0%. Certainly not going to comment on specific years, but the last 4 #1 picks are very suspect.

Like I said, I don't know, but I do know that it's completely OK to question it as the NBA is a private company only governing itself. They have everything to gaing from it as long as they don't get "caught". Is there even a law stating the NBA has to do it as they say are? I honestly don't know, but it's an entertainment company so I wouldn't be suprised if they could do whatever they want.


Edit: please don't do personal attacks using a big event like that full of death to make a loud point that I'm crazy, it's in bad taste.

But the issue is what did the NBA gain from rigging the lottery in the years you claim. Cavs winning the lottery was rigged because they lost Lebron? NBA rigged lottery get Chicago so it could have a home town hero in Rose? Why wouldn't they rig it for the wolves or Sacramento who lived in the lottery. The answers to why it was rigged for Pelicans bulls and Cavs don't apply to those franchises, whatever the answers seem to be that is.

If your main argument is its ok to think the lottery is rigged then so be it. But this thread is laughing at someone who thinks its not rigged. I just think people love conspiracies. They love to think something shady is happening.

Is there a way the NBA can do a lottery where u dont question if it's rigged. If nothing else is answered I would like to hear an answer to this question.

[HurricaneKid]

Again, why aren't we allowed to see the NBA lottery?


YOU CAN.

I cannot possibly explain how stupid you guys look when you say it is rigged without giving a cursory glance at the actual process which is widely available. Its just boring.

Someone explain how there is media and team representatives AT the actual lottery and how it would still be rigged? Wouldn't the TWolves cry foul if they were told it was rigged but once again it wasn't them it was rigged for?

[GimmeThat]

Now im starting to wonder have analysts been giving draft grades as a cumulative, continous effort. Or simply just a snap shot.


Have I been missing something all these years!!!

[ZenMaster]

YOU CAN.

I cannot possibly explain how stupid you guys look when you say it is rigged without giving a cursory glance at the actual process which is widely available. Its just boring.

Someone explain how there is media and team representatives AT the actual lottery and how it would still be rigged? Wouldn't the TWolves cry foul if they were told it was rigged but once again it wasn't them it was rigged for?

I've never claimed that the NBA draft is rigged, just that it's not insane to claim it. I've said multiple times that it could be one, the other or somewhere in between. For that I called a conspiracy nut and an idiot.


@ GOBB

I had written a longer post while at work, but something messed it up and when I logged back in it was gone and I do not have the energy to write it all again so I'll just answer the last question: Is there a way the NBA can do a lottery where u dont question if it's rigged. If nothing else is answered I would like to hear an answer to this question.

I would trust it much more if they kept a simple lottery and did it on TV for people to see. I realize you can always come up with a theory for cheating, like UEFA using frozen balls when drawing for certain match ups in the champions league, but it makes sense to me that you show the actual process.

[JerrySeinfeld]

lol went through this a million times already lol.
no the nba wont rig that shit, because for all the profit it brings them...the potential catastrophe it would bring if it was found out would destroy the whole league lol

people do realize that they were basically caught rigging it in 1985?

[GOBB]

@ GOBB

I had written a longer post while at work, but something messed it up and when I logged back in it was gone and I do not have the energy to write it all again so I'll just answer the last question: Is there a way the NBA can do a lottery where u dont question if it's rigged. If nothing else is answered I would like to hear an answer to this question.

I would trust it much more if they kept a simple lottery and did it on TV for people to see. I realize you can always come up with a theory for cheating, like UEFA using frozen balls when drawing for certain match ups in the champions league, but it makes sense to me that you show the actual process.

I hate that.

But I can dig it. And I apologize to you bro for using that example in my initial reply. It was unwarranted.

[buddha]

lol went through this a million times already lol.
no the nba wont rig that shit, because for all the profit it brings them...the potential catastrophe it would bring if it was found out would destroy the whole league lol

you're dumb as ***, cuz

[PJR]

The NBA draft lottery is audited by Ernst & Young. If you think it's rigged, you're a moron.

[midatlantic09]

If it were rigged, the Lakers would have received the #1 pick last year.

[ImKobe]

you're dumb as ***, cuz

dumb because he can make a reasonable argument?

[Eric Cartman]

You guys can't get your point across without having to resort to an insult. Damn shame on all of ISH, unacceptable.

Need to see it to know that it is not rigged, until anyone of us sees the real lottery going down, we will only have beliefs based on faith and trust on authority, hence the perpetuating never ending arguments seeking the truth.

Have a nice day, f*ckers.

[niko]

You guys can't get your point across without having to resort to an insult. Damn shame on all of ISH, unacceptable.

Need to see it to know that it is not rigged, until anyone of us sees the real lottery going down, we will only have beliefs based on faith and trust on authority, hence the perpetuating never ending arguments seeking the truth.

Have a nice day, f*ckers.
Stupid argument is stupid. People are paid to watch it. They verify it's being watched. Essentially you are saying if you don't see it yourself you cannot trust it which means you can't agree anything is real.

Stupid argument remains stupid.

[COnDEMnED]

lol went through this a million times already lol.
no the nba wont rig that shit, because for all the profit it brings them...the potential catastrophe it would bring if it was found out would destroy the whole league lol
Worse than rogue (allegedly) referees rigging games for personal gain?

[RedBlackAttack]

At the very least, claiming it's not rigged is as insane as claiming that it is. Show the public the process that goes into it, the ping pong balls jumping around, the regular lottery does it, so why not the NBA?
OK... here you go:

2013: http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2013/05/22/20130521-lottery.nba/

2014: http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2014/05/20/052014-draft-lottery-behind-the-scenes.nba/

They don't show the actual drawings live on television because it is a complicated procedure which is all about certain combinations of numbers coming up and which teams own those combinations. It's not like there are team emblems on the balls as they pop out of the hopper.

Only diehards who take the time to read and understand how the system works would have any idea what is going on.

So, they actually contract the drawings out to an accounting firm, who conducts the lottery process and the reading of the number combinations as they come. Each team has representatives in the drawing room and it is filmed (as shown above) for posterity. That way, for the people who do actually want to sit down and watch the convoluted thing can do so.

For the rest of the casual fan population, the public presentation of the envelopes is a far more effective and dramatic procedure.

Anyone who thinks the lottery is "fixed" has to first reconcile a few very simple questions. The first one, obviously, is why all other 29 teams would have no issue with a prearranged outcome and a specific organization being rewarded for whatever reason. The second question is, why would the accredited law firm agree to being used in a high stakes game of charades with potentially hundreds of millions of dollars on the line?

Regardless of who won the draft lottery, conspiracy theories could be presented as to why. That sort of ridiculous speculation used to only apply when the big markets like New York, Boston or LA would get a high pick in the draft. Interestingly enough, all but New York had a far better chance of landing the No. 1 pick last year. Rest assured, if the Celtics, Lakers or Knicks had won the lottery, the conspiracy chatter afterwards would have been exponentially worse.

But, you have to settle for Cleveland... so this is the conpiracy theory, apparently:


Cleveland wins the lottery 3 times in 4 years, including with a 1.7% chance in a stacked stacked draft, you can't make this shit up, just right when Lebron is about to hit free agency, stop believing in fairy tales, this is not a conspiracy, it's the real deal people.

Why would the league give Cleveland all these picks? Cause Lebron is coming back and he wants a stacked team in his hometown. Is that so difficult to believe? I mean, ffs, do you know the fortune Lebron brings to the league?

So, let's get this straight for the record... The NBA, the Firm of Ernst and Young and all other 29 teams in the league conspired this past offseason to get LeBron back in Cleveland? That's your assertion? :oldlol:


Giving him a few toys to play with is nothing to them, too bad the Cavs f*cked up many of the high picks they got (Thompson, Waiters, Bennett).

Potentially, you could've given Lebron:

Wiggins
Noel
Kyrie
Drummond
Jonas V

Too bad the Cavs can't draft for shit unless it's the #1, even then they picked Bennett :lol , that's why you need 3 out of 4 so even they can't f*ck it up.

This portion of your post completely undermined the arguments of conspiracy provided above it. This makes it pretty clear that this is just an anti-Cleveland thing, not an actual review of the facts about how the lottery works, the benefits of having certain teams win it and why all of these different entities would agree to the terms of the conspiracy.

Really, at the end of the day, you just wanted to criticize the Cavs.

And, their current team, right now, is far superior to the one you that you listed above. Five years from now that team might be better, but LeBron isn't going to be this LeBron five years from now.





None of your arguments really stand up to even a cursory analysis.

[RedBlackAttack]

You guys can't get your point across without having to resort to an insult. Damn shame on all of ISH, unacceptable.

Need to see it to know that it is not rigged, until anyone of us sees the real lottery going down, we will only have beliefs based on faith and trust on authority, hence the perpetuating never ending arguments seeking the truth.

Have a nice day, f*ckers.
So, I guess this is settled then? Have a nice day.

[Knicksfever2010]

People always point to the Knicks getting the #1 pick for Ewing as a prime example. If that was the case, why didnt the NBA rig the draft for the Knicks in 2003 so they could get Lebron? Instead they got the #9 pick.

[Eric Cartman]

That's how you get the top 3 picks? LOL that's fvcking bullsh*t.

The lottery is more broken than I could've ever imagined.

Thanks for dragging me out of ignorance RBA.

[RedBlackAttack]

That's how you get the top 3 picks? LOL that's fvcking bullsh*t.

The lottery is more broken than I could've ever imagined.

Thanks for dragging me out of ignorance RBA.
It's not perfect, but I prefer the system to any of the other major American sports. I've seen all of the other attempts to come up with a new system, like Simmons' "Wheel" and the like. That would then lead to kids choosing specific years to enter the draft so they could avoid going to certain organizations. I believe it would lead to many more problems than it solves.

Then, there is always just the option of picking based on where you finished the season (worst gets first and so on)... in that system, you'd have 15-20 teams tanking every year. Basically, if I'm not a real contender for the title, I'm trying to get a high pick. It would be a total tankfest.

There's never going to be a perfect system that prevents tanking and promotes just letting the chips fall where they may. There's also never going to be a system that evenly puts teams in a position to get the best players, because all drafts are not created equal.

For example, the 2013 draft just flat-out sucked. So, "winning" the lottery that year can't really be compared with "winning" the year Tim Duncan or Shaq came into the league.

Sometimes, just having a Top 5 pick in the "right" draft is better than having the first pick in the wrong one.


Despite the fact that the Cavs won the lottery three times in the last four years, the results did not favor tanking. Even the year when we got Kyrie Irving, it happened with the Clippers' pick that we acquired in a trade. That pick only had a 2.8% chance of landing on No. 1.

Really, only once in the last four years were the Cavs rewarded with their own pick by losing a bunch of games... and that was the horrendous 2013 draft.

Last year, the Cavs had amongst the lowest odds to land No. 1. They just happened to be in exactly the right spot. At the end of the day, that's what it has come down to... the process worked for the most part by not rewarding tanking... it just so happened that the Cavs were lucky enough to hold the right combinations of numbers in the right years.


The really funny thing was that, prior to the 2012 draft -- the Anthony Davis sweepstakes -- the Pelicans and Cavs had a coin flip to see who'd have the 3rd most combinations and who'd have the 4th most combinations to get the No. 1 pick. The Cavs WON that coin flip. So, they were seeded 3rd in the draft lottery.

They ended up being one number combination away from getting the No. 1 pick four straight years and, if they'd lost the coin flip instead of won it, they would have gotten Anthony Davis. :oldlol:

Most people aren't aware just how close the Cavs came to winning the lottery four straight years. Of course, like I said, not all drafts are equal. Winning the Anthony Davis draft is worth a hell of a lot more than winning the Nerlens Noel/Anthony Bennett/whoever else draft. That's one of the reasons "The Wheel" is such a sh!tty idea.

[GOBB]

RBA, you da real MVP :cry: