ok i'll admit. Curry > 2011 Drose

[Bigsmoke]

From all the prior threads based on this topic, it was way too early to determine who's better when comparing Derrick Rose entire 2011 season to Curry's 2 or 3 months into the season.

But now the 2015 regular season is coming to an end... Curry is having the superior season.

Rose's season high was 42 and scored 44 in the post season
Curry already had more 40 point games and score 50 as well.

Curry is less turnover prone
More efficient
Better passer
better decision maker
Curry's stats are identical while playing 4 fewer minutes

Since I got that out of the way, congratulations on the MVP. it was well deserved

[1987_Lakers]

Curry's shooting efficiency is what puts him ahead of Rose. They are pretty much identical in stats, but....

Curry: .637 TS%
Rose: .550 TS%

[Human Error]

Curry always has been better than Rose. :facepalm

[MJistheGOAT]

Curry > Rose
15 Warriors >> 11 Bulls

[Bigsmoke]

Curry always has been better than Rose. :facepalm

No

[NZStreetBaller]

Yeah lets not forget curry is the 3 point shooter in the league d rose never was. And currys team record is in a strong western conference. Not the east plus the heat.

[Budadiiii]

Derrick fell off a cliff since 2011. One of the biggest collapses in sports history.

30 for 30: Shit really does smell like Roses.

[MJistheGOAT]

Derrick fell off a cliff since 2011. One of the biggest collapses in sports history.

30 for 30: Shit really does smell like Roses.

I hope KD isn

[Jameerthefear]

no one that wasn't a homer and dumbass (aka Pointguard) denied this. everyone knew this even early in the season

[Budadiiii]

[QUOTE=MJistheGOAT]I hope KD isn

[nathanjizzle]

bigsmoke, you dont know shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkUwyjeFqd4

[MJistheGOAT]

At least I know he'll play when cleared. And he should be fine once his foot fully heals. I'm optimistic for his future. Can't really say the same for Derrick.

Jones fracture is a really dangerous injury, specially for 7 footers, im not so optimistic but his future is obviously >>> Rose.

Rose is done.

[nathanjizzle]

At least I know he'll play when cleared. And he should be fine once his foot fully heals. I'm optimistic for his future. Can't really say the same for Derrick.

he ****ed his foot even worst by playing when he was cleared.

[CelticBaller]

Derrick Rose is going down as one of the worst MVPs

hands down

[theaussieguy]

definitely better than Rose. I am really starting to realize how overrated some players get because of freak athleticism. Derrick Rose is my all time favourite NBA athlete. In his prime the things he did were amazing. However everything he did, was a result of that brute force athletic domination and essentially unsustainable, very soon westbrook will come back to earth in this manner too. As soon as Drose lost that youthful athleticism hes come back down to earth and is just a 'good' nba player, he has nothing in his arsenal that can really set him apart anymore because as a basketball player he just isn't that elite.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

2015 Curry > 2011 Rose should be considered common knowledge.

[Pointguard]

no one that wasn't a homer and dumbass (aka Pointguard) denied this. everyone knew this even early in the season

Jameer, you don't play ball, too young to understand the game and aren't smart enought to compare two different time systems. These guys play in two different realities. Curry has all the space in the world because he has shooters. Rose played in a congested system without finishers, shooters or much of an offensive system. Curry's goal is to be efficient, not to breakdown defenses. Their games are totally different. Curry plays in an apex system for Curry. Rose played in a system where he had make something out of nothing.

Rose had progressed light years ahead of Curry when they were healthy, and then injuries kicked in. Why is Rose the only comparator in town when he hasn't been healthy in 4 years? Just think about that. Rose is the standard for a reason. Westbrook and Curry came into together with Rose. Rose is the standard. Let Bogut go down and Westbrook might kill Curry in the first round. CP3 might kill Curry in the second. But Rose at 22 years old is the standard against these guys in their primes. All three of those guys can't carry an offensively challenged team. All three have had much better situations than Rose. In their prime they should be better than 22 year old Rose. And that's not homerism. Those are facts.

[Random_Guy]

bigsmoke, you dont know shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkUwyjeFqd4
that pass at 4:30 :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Heavincent]

Jameer, you don't play ball, too young to understand the game and aren't smart enought to compare two different time systems. These guys play in two different realities. Curry has all the space in the world because he has shooters. Rose played in a congested system without finishers, shooters or much of an offensive system. Curry's goal is to be efficient, not to breakdown defenses. Their games are totally different. Curry plays in an apex system for Curry. Rose played in a system where he had make something out of nothing.

Rose had progressed light years ahead of Curry when they were healthy, and then injuries kicked in. Why is Rose the only comparator in town when he hasn't been healthy in 4 years? Just think about that. Rose is the standard for a reason. Westbrook and Curry came into together with Rose. Rose is the standard. Let Bogut go down and Westbrook might kill Curry in the first round. CP3 might kill Curry in the second. But Rose at 22 years old is the standard against these guys in their primes. All three of those guys can't carry an offensively challenged team. All three have had much better situations than Rose. In their prime they should be better than 22 year old Rose. And that's not homerism. Those are facts.

Put Rose on any team you want and he's not putting up 25 points a game on 50/52/95 efficiency like Curry has since the all star break.

[Bigsmoke]

bigsmoke, you dont know shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkUwyjeFqd4

I thought rose was better until i started watching more warriors games. Curry is a beast

[LiLharvard]

valid point, the bulls offense was always poorly ranked and routinely averaged around 75-85ppg in almost all of Derricks seasons. The majority of the roster was made up of defensive minded players like Keith Bogans, Luol Deng, Jo Noah etc. At the end of the day, D rose was doing alot more because he simply had to.

[Jameerthefear]

Jameer, you don't play ball, too young to understand the game and aren't smart enought to compare two different time systems. These guys play in two different realities. Curry has all the space in the world because he has shooters. Rose played in a congested system without finishers, shooters or much of an offensive system. Curry's goal is to be efficient, not to breakdown defenses. Their games are totally different. Curry plays in an apex system for Curry. Rose played in a system where he had make something out of nothing.

Rose had progressed light years ahead of Curry when they were healthy, and then injuries kicked in. Why is Rose the only comparator in town when he hasn't been healthy in 4 years? Just think about that. Rose is the standard for a reason. Westbrook and Curry came into together with Rose. Rose is the standard. Let Bogut go down and Westbrook might kill Curry in the first round. CP3 might kill Curry in the second. But Rose at 22 years old is the standard against these guys in their primes. All three of those guys can't carry an offensively challenged team. All three have had much better situations than Rose. In their prime they should be better than 22 year old Rose. And that's not homerism. Those are facts.
tl;dr
you're a homer and a f*cking moron

[nathanjizzle]

I thought rose was better until i started watching more warriors games. Curry is a beast

nah man, what happened was you forgot how good 2011 rose was, and 2015 curry is fresh on your mind.

[All Net]

Not even close to be honest..Curry is better at everything.

[brownmamba00]

Depends on what Curry will do in the playoffs ...But for now I'm taking '11 Rose all day.

almost unstoppable on the drive, fearless, clutch, athletic freak and just more swag to his game IMHO I remember him putting peeps in a poster every 10-15 games or so, for a 6'3 PG that's crazy...Both players avg 25/8 tho so not much of a difference but mind you Steph's backcourt partner is Klay and Rose's backcourt partner was Keith Bogans and Ronnie Brewer.

But like I said it all depends on what Curry does in the post-season...what if the dubs get bounced in the first round by AD and his crew?

[BIG FURB]

Put Rose on any team you want and he's not putting up 25 points a game on 50/52/95 efficiency like Curry has since the all star break.

Curry is easily more efficient, but that doesn't mean Rose wasn't as effective. The guy was a one man wrecking crew in 2011.

[Pointguard]

Put Rose on any team you want and he's not putting up 25 points a game on 50/52/95 efficiency like Curry has since the all star break.
Doesn't matter. Efficiency isn't a priority for the smallest guy on the court, nor does it have a correlation to greatness. Curry has never carried a team and would certainly be worse on a team without a system and offensive competency.

[CelticBaller]

Doesn't matter. Efficiency isn't a priority for the smallest guy on the court, nor does it have a correlation to greatness. Curry has never carried a team and would certainly be worse on a team without a system and offensive competency.
like d rose carried a team?

A team that snagged up a 4th seed without him? manage to keep the 1st seed in the east when he was out?

yup :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Doesn't matter. Efficiency isn't a priority for the smallest guy on the court, nor does it have a correlation to greatness. Curry has never carried a team and would certainly be worse on a team without a system and offensive competency.

What the **** are you talking about

Check out the drop off between Curry on/off the court, especially last year in that great "system" with 'O Mama there goes that Man!' as coach... Curry carried the offense, he's shown he's capable of it. Rose 2011 doesn't compare, its not close.

[LAZERUSS]

Curry deserves the MVP this year...but I would take a 2011 Rose.

[Jameerthefear]

Doesn't matter. Efficiency isn't a priority for the smallest guy on the court, nor does it have a correlation to greatness. Curry has never carried a team and would certainly be worse on a team without a system and offensive competency.
What in the actual **** are you talking about?

[LoneyROY7]

bigsmoke, you dont know shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkUwyjeFqd4

So you post a video where Rose takes 33 shots to score 30 points and has 11 turnovers to 1 f*cking assist?

:roll:

[Jameerthefear]

Like this dude just said efficiency doesn't correlate to greatness. Like he JUST said this shit.

[CelticBaller]

Like this dude just said efficiency doesn't correlate to greatness. Like he JUST said this shit.
Iverson is the GOAT :oldlol:

[Bigsmoke]

Like this dude just said efficiency doesn't correlate to greatness. Like he JUST said this shit.

Scoring with steady efficiency doesn't hurt either.

Curry is a bigger offensive threat while being more accurate.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I don't know how anyone thinks this is up for discussion. :confusedshrug:

2015 Curry > 2011 Rose.

Efficiency should be a priority for all players.

[Achilleas]

curry is better than drose
simple as that

[Pointguard]

Like this dude just said efficiency doesn't correlate to greatness. Like he JUST said this shit.
Korver was the most efficient player ever for most of the year. Not top 300 GOAT. Russell wasn't an efficient player, has a great argument as GOAT. Bird one of the greatest shooters, wasn't a killer in efficiency. Shaq and Wilt easily the most dominant players ever, suffered in TS% some. Most of the players in YOUR top ten aren't killers in TS%. Now I want to hear your argument.

[Jameerthefear]

Korver was the most efficient player ever for most of the year. Not top 300 GOAT. Russell wasn't an efficient player, has a great argument as GOAT. Bird one of the greatest shooters, wasn't a killer in efficiency. Shaq and Wilt easily the most dominant players ever, suffered in TS% some. Most of the players in YOUR top ten aren't killers in TS%. Now I want to hear your argument.
u just tried to label shaq and wilt and bird as inefficient

this is frightening

[greatest-ever]

I think 2014 Curry is probably better than 2011 Rose.

[Pointguard]

What in the actual **** are you talking about?
Point guards and smaller players are historically ever the most efficient shooters. They are rarely in the top ten. Its the exception, for them to be that. Its actually amazing that you don't know that.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Bird shot 50% from the field for his career, Shaq shot 58%, Wilt shot 54% (as Laz has told us so many times, in an era where FG% were lower).

Bird had two 50-40-90 years but he wasn't efficient? **** outta here.

[CelticBaller]

Korver was the most efficient player ever for most of the year. Not top 300 GOAT. Russell wasn't an efficient player, has a great argument as GOAT. Bird one of the greatest shooters, wasn't a killer in efficiency. Shaq and Wilt easily the most dominant players ever, suffered in TS% some. Most of the players in YOUR top ten aren't killers in TS%. Now I want to hear your argument.
someone kill him please

[Jameerthefear]

Point guards and smaller players are historically ever the most efficient shooters. They are rarely in the top ten. Its the exception, for them to be that. Its actually amazing that you don't know that.
And that's why it's so ****ing amazing for Curry to be this efficient. You're literally disproving your own argument

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Point guards and smaller players are historically ever the most efficient shooters. They are rarely in the top ten. Its the exception, for them to be that. Its actually amazing that you don't know that.

:facepalm

That's why what is considered good efficiency is relative to a particular position. You're not going to compare the FG% of a point guard and a centre because it's a stupid comparison to make.

[Dave3]

This thread :lol :lol

Yeah, I'm sure if Rose shot 47/44/90 for the season in 2011, people's opinions on him (especially Bulls fans) would be absolutely no different, since PGs aren't expected to be efficient anyways. :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

Korver was the most efficient player ever for most of the year. Not top 300 GOAT. Russell wasn't an efficient player, has a great argument as GOAT. Bird one of the greatest shooters, wasn't a killer in efficiency. Shaq and Wilt easily the most dominant players ever, suffered in TS% some. Most of the players in YOUR top ten aren't killers in TS%. Now I want to hear your argument.

someone get rid of this retard holy smokes

[juju151111]

Doesn't matter. Efficiency isn't a priority for the smallest guy on the court, nor does it have a correlation to greatness. Curry has never carried a team and would certainly be worse on a team without a system and offensive competency.
I'm a Rose fan too, but what your saying is nonsense.

[nathanjizzle]

So you post a video where Rose takes 33 shots to score 30 points and has 11 turnovers to 1 f*cking assist?

:roll:

nah, i posted a video that doesnt rely on stats to show what happened. it shows that rose was more impactful that game and locked curry down defensively, as well as led the bulls to win. he was just the better player, and this is 2 major knee surgery rose vs mvp curry. put mvp rose on a team with average players vs curry on a team with average players, roses team is winning.

[Pointguard]

u just tried to label shaq and wilt and bird as inefficient

this is frightening

I stated a fact. Dispute it.

[ArbitraryWater]

I stated a fact. Dispute it.

Everyone is calling you out on your stupidity, even a fellow Rose fan, time to shut the **** up.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5p3fh3d9b1rn95k2o1_500.gif

[Pointguard]

someone get rid of this retard holy smokes
I destroyed you many times before. Dispute something I said. Its simple. Too many of you guys just quote things and say what comes to your head and can't back it up. Yall are like kids.

[nathanjizzle]

I'm a Rose fan too, but what your saying is nonsense.

actually its not. players that are more aggressive on offense dont have the luxury of picking efficient shots. kobe, rose, iverson are those players, they have the will to carry a team to victory more so than players that are more efficient. in 2011 rose had a 30-10 clutch game record, led the bulls to first in the league. if he played an "efficient" style, him and the bulls would not have that excellent record.

so in some cases, their are good things about players who practice an agressive style over efficiency, and bad things, and same with efficient players. we have already seen the "bad things" about an efficient style in lebron.

[Pointguard]

Everyone is calling you out on your stupidity, even a fellow Rose fan, time to shut the **** up.
A grown up can back up what they say. I have no problem with anything I said here. Stupidity is the inability to articulate your side.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

A grown up can back up what they say. I have no problem with anything I said here. Stupidity is the inability to articulate your side.

No.

Stupidity: 1. Behavior that shows a lack of good sense or judgment.
2. The quality of being stupid or unintelligent.

Being able to articulate a stupid argument doesn't make the argument any less stupid.

[Pointguard]

I'm a Rose fan too, but what your saying is nonsense.
So do you want to embarrass yourself and state point guard priorities. All Im asking is that you guys prove me wrong. Any idiot can just launch an opinion. I am challenging you guys.

[LoneyROY7]

actually its not. players that are more aggressive on offense dont have the luxury of picking efficient shots. kobe, rose, iverson are those players, they have the will to carry a team to victory more so than players that are more efficient. in 2011 rose had a 30-10 clutch game record, led the bulls to first in the league. if he played an "efficient" style, him and the bulls would not have that excellent record.

so in some cases, their are good things about players who practice an agressive style over efficiency, and bad things, and same with efficient players.

And proceeded to get owned by a more efficient player in the playoffs. What percentage did LeBron hold him to again? 6 percent? I guess his will wasn't strong enough.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

And proceeded to get owned by a more efficient player in the playoffs. What percentage did LeBron hold him to again? 6 percent? I guess his will wasn't strong enough.

:lebronamazed:


http://media.tumblr.com/e16dd16f4de841b391f118f72714a54e/tumblr_inline_nbat9kBEXc1satqni.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

I destroyed you many times before. Dispute something I said. Its simple. Too many of you guys just quote things and say what comes to your head and can't back it up. Yall are like kids.

You're saying efficiency doesn't matter for Guards, one of your arguments for that was because they're usually less efficient than bigs (no shit, dumb argument), failing to realize this is what makes Curry even more special....

<<< That's why you're a retard, that's why everyone is calling you out.

[nathanjizzle]

And proceeded to get owned by a more efficient player in the playoffs. What percentage did LeBron hold him to again? 6 percent? I guess his will wasn't strong enough.

that series was up to rose to win, even though the heat were the better team. if rose played the way he played but shot atleast 40%, the bulls would have won. rose not playing that way and sharing the ball, the bulls are losing 10/10 times.

[LoneyROY7]

that series was up to rose to win, even though the heat were the better team. if rose played the way he played but shot atleast 40%, the bulls would have won. rose not playing that way and sharing the ball, the bulls are losing 10/10 times.

So what you're saying is Rose's poor efficiency resulted in the Bulls losing...

:yaohappy:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The last few pages of this thread:

http://www.evilenglish.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/305908d1359615600-madejski-miracle-wtf-shit_640_417_s_c1_center_top_0_0.jpg

[Heavincent]

Point guards and smaller players are historically ever the most efficient shooters. They are rarely in the top ten. Its the exception, for them to be that. Its actually amazing that you don't know that.

So it must be really ****ing impressive that Curry is one of the most efficient shooters in the league, along with having elite PG skills. You basically just helped Curry's case by pointing out his unheard of skillset.

[Pointguard]

No.

Stupidity: 1. Behavior that shows a lack of good sense or judgment.
2. The quality of being stupid or unintelligent.

Being able to articulate a stupid argument doesn't make the argument any less stupid.
Can you name your top ten GOAT and prove to me their relationship to TS% That's simple, even an idiot can do it.

[Pointguard]

So it must be really ****ing impressive that Curry is one of the most efficient shooters in the league, along with having elite PG skills. You basically just helped Curry's case by pointing out his unheard of skillset.
Mark Price had it. One of my favorites.

[Legends66NBA7]

Can you name your top ten GOAT and prove to me their relationship to TS% That's simple, even an idiot can do it.

Google the TS% of players considered in the Top 10.

[nathanjizzle]

So what you're saying is Rose's poor efficiency resulted in the Bulls losing...

:yaohappy:

no, rose didnt have "poor" efficiency, he had homeless efficiency. but that goes with the style he plays, and that style was our only chance at winning.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Can you name your top ten GOAT and prove to me their relationship to TS% That's simple, even an idiot can do it.

You're using TS% without positional context as a crutch for your shitty argument. Give it up, Curry > Rose. Take the loss and move on.

You called Larry Bird inefficient, I can't take anything you say seriously. One of the five best shooters ever, 2 50-40-90 seasons, career 50% shooter, and he's inefficient. **** off.

[red1]

From all the prior threads based on this topic, it was way too early to determine who's better when comparing Derrick Rose entire 2011 season to Curry's 2 or 3 months into the season.

But now the 2015 regular season is coming to an end... Curry is having the superior season.

Rose's season high was 42 and scored 44 in the post season
Curry already had more 40 point games and score 50 as well.

Curry is less turnover prone
More efficient
Better passer
better decision maker
Curry's stats are identical while playing 4 fewer minutes

Since I got that out of the way, congratulations on the MVP. it was well deserved
Agreed

[Pointguard]

You're saying efficiency doesn't matter for Guards,
OK, where did I ever say that. PLease point that out. If you guys can't read its going to be really hard for you. I said its has no relationship to greatness and isn't a top priority for point guards.


one of your arguments for that was because they're usually less efficient than bigs (no shit, dumb argument), failing to realize this is what makes Curry even more special....

<<< That's why you're a retard, that's why everyone is calling you out.
Special isn't the argument. Korver isn't great because he did something great in shooting efficiency. Would you be totally surprised if Wextbrook killed Curry in the first round? Would you be totally surprised if CP3 did later in the playoffs?

[Pointguard]

You're using TS% without positional context as a crutch for your shitty argument.

You're not using anything at all, including your head. This is not an argument or even a stand.


You called Larry Bird inefficient, I can't take anything you say seriously. One of the five best shooters ever, 2 50-40-90 seasons, career 50% shooter, and he's inefficient. **** off.
I never called LB inefficient. He wasn't a killer in TS%. Why can't one of you nay sayers read correctly. You get hot over your own reading disabilities.

[navy]

You're not using anything at all, including your head. This is not an argument or even a stand.

I never called LB inefficient. He wasn't a killer in TS%. Why can't one of you nay sayers read correctly. You get hot over your own reading disabilities.
Im not sure what you think ts% is but Larry Bird was in fact a killer in that department.

[juju151111]

actually its not. players that are more aggressive on offense dont have the luxury of picking efficient shots. kobe, rose, iverson are those players, they have the will to carry a team to victory more so than players that are more efficient. in 2011 rose had a 30-10 clutch game record, led the bulls to first in the league. if he played an "efficient" style, him and the bulls would not have that excellent record.

so in some cases, their are good things about players who practice an agressive style over efficiency, and bad things, and same with efficient players. we have already seen the "bad things" about an efficient style in lebron.
Bro the efficiency includes Fts too. It's still in Curry favor. Along with other areas like asts.

[juju151111]

OK, where did I ever say that. PLease point that out. If you guys can't read its going to be really hard for you. I said its has no relationship to greatness and isn't a top priority for point guards.

Special isn't the argument. Korver isn't great because he did something great in shooting efficiency. Would you be totally surprised if Wextbrook killed Curry in the first round? Would you be totally surprised if CP3 did later in the playoffs?
Korver isn't a star player who gets all the attention. Can't compare him to Rose or Curry. When has Korver carried a team. He a role player.

[LAZERUSS]

Im not sure what you think ts% is but Larry Bird was in fact a killer in that department.

Not in the post-season, my friend. And even worse in his Finals.

[navy]

Not in the post-season, my friend. And even worse in his Finals.
7 losses with HCA, most of all time. No surprise, my friend.

[SugarHill]

Not in the post-season, my friend. And even worse in his Finals.

He has two championship runs where his TS is over 60. :coleman:

[ArbitraryWater]

OK, where did I ever say that. PLease point that out. If you guys can't read its going to be really hard for you. I said its has no relationship to greatness and isn't a top priority for point guards.

Special isn't the argument. Korver isn't great because he did something great in shooting efficiency. Would you be totally surprised if Wextbrook killed Curry in the first round? Would you be totally surprised if CP3 did later in the playoffs?

This still makes zero sense :oldlol:

If anything is not a top priority for PG's, it's defense...

You're just letting your emotions for Rose could your judgment (like with KG), leading you to say dumb stuff.

What you do anyone could do, strawman, picking out selective bits that as a whole make no sense.

"Lol look at me, Dantley and English scored 30 ppg but are not top 50 all time, hence scoring is no relationship to greatness"
"Lol at Mark Jackson 4th all time in assists yet not even top 100 all time, playmaking is no relationship to greatness"
"Lol at Camby, Rodman, Ben Wallace, all DPOTY winners but not top 50 all time, defense is doesnt stand in relation to greatness"

Just deal with the fact that Curry is a significantly more efficient and effective scorer, you tool.

[LAZERUSS]

He has two championship runs where his TS is over 60. :coleman:

Wow...in 12 post-seasons.

But go ahead and avoid the THREE playoff runs below .490.

[SugarHill]

Wow...in 12 post-seasons.

But go ahead and avoid the THREE playoff runs below .490.

He won championships with a TS% over 60. Two of them. What more do you want? How many did Wilt win? If he can win championships with very high TS%, the idea that his efficiency was bad in the playoffs is fvcking retarded

[BIG FURB]

He has two championship runs where his TS is over 60. :coleman:

So we can only judge Bird by the times he did well? Do we extend that same courtesy to Rose? Because every time people like to critique him on his post-season "struggles" they only bring up his one series against a more talented Heat Squad. Besides that series the guy has actually had some pretty amazing playoff performances, my favourite being the battle between him and Rondo in his very first playoff appearance.

[LAZERUSS]

He won championships with a TS% over 60. Two of them. What more do you want? How many did Wilt win?

Two of them. And lost FIVE times in Game Seven's against the champions, in which he dominated.

And don't forget this...

Bird's shooting was below the league average in many of his post-seasons.

Chamberlain was blowing away his league's in shooting.

[LAZERUSS]

So we can only judge Bird by the times he did well? Do we extend that same courtesy to Rose? Because every time people like to critique him on his post-season "struggles" they only bring up his one series against a more talented Heat Squad. Besides that series the guy has actually had some pretty amazing playoff performances, my favourite being the battle between him and Rondo in his very first playoff appearance.

Bird and Hakeem's failures are forgiven and overlooked on this forum.

[ArbitraryWater]

Bird and Hakeem's failures are forgiven and overlooked on this forum.

You preach about how Basketball is a team sport to defend Wilt's failures yet consistently talk about Hakeem's first round exits, without much detail to his actual play.

You = Tool

[1987_Lakers]

Not in the post-season, my friend. And even worse in his Finals.

Still has more rings than Wilt.

[LAZERUSS]

You preach about how Basketball is a team sport to defend Wilt's failures yet consistently talk about Hakeem's first round exits, without much detail to his actual play.

You = Tool

:roll: :roll: :roll:

GTFO.

FIRST ROUND EXITS are the key words here.

Most over-rated player on this forum.

[LAZERUSS]

Still has more rings than Wilt.

And wasn't half the player.

Using your logic, your boy Walton was a complete flop. And Hondo just blows away MJ.

But thanks for playing.

[LAZERUSS]

Still has more rings than Wilt.

Dumars >>>>> MJ.

[Jameerthefear]

Wilt = modern day poor man's Hassan Whiteside

[sportjames23]

Dumars >>>>> MJ.


1987Lakers is not an MJ fan, so your post is dumb.

[LAZERUSS]

1987Lakers is not an MJ fan, so your post is dumb.

He is not a Laker's fan, either. He is a closet Celtics and Bird fan, and hates Magic and Wilt.

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt = modern day poor man's Hassan Whiteside

Isn't there some anime porn you could be watching right now?

[1987_Lakers]

He is not a Laker's fan, either. He is a closet Celtics and Bird fan, and hates Magic and Wilt.

Still mad that I exposed your lies in another thread?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347673&page=8


jlauber? Who the hell is jlauber?



I would say that Walton's 71-72 team was the greatest college team of all-time, going 30-0 and with a ppg differential of 94.6 to 64.3, or +30.3 (which is the all-time record.) And Walton's championship game in '73 was the greatest single game ever, by anyone. 44 points, on 21-22 shooting, with 13 rebounds.



I still remember Walton's soph year at UCLA. Coming into that season he was highly touted, but most pre-season mags had other players ranked ahead of him (like Tom Riker and Tom McMillen.) That 71-72 UCLA team became, IMHO, the greatest team in college basketball history. They not only went 30-0, they destroyed their opponents by an average margin of 98-64.

[LAZERUSS]

Still mad that I exposed your lies in another thread?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347673&page=8

Didn't expose me, and not mad.

But thanks for playing.

[LAZERUSS]

PHILA...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4907307&postcount=36

[1987_Lakers]

Didn't expose me, and not mad.

But thanks for playing.

U mad.:oldlol:

[Jameerthefear]

Still mad that I exposed your lies in another thread?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347673&page=8
****ing owned that fool :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

U mad.:oldlol:

Not at all...

I don't go around claiming to be an '87 Laker fan, and ye be a well-known Celtics and Bird fan at the same time (and a closet Magic hater.)

But go ahead...please post all of your takes on the '87 Lakers..or Magic.

[LAZERUSS]

****ing owned that fool :roll:

Go Go Power Rangers!

[1987_Lakers]

jlauber? Who the hell is jlauber?

:roll:

[LAZERUSS]

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[1987_Lakers]

I would say that Walton's 71-72 team was the greatest college team of all-time, going 30-0 and with a ppg differential of 94.6 to 64.3, or +30.3 (which is the all-time record.) And Walton's championship game in '73 was the greatest single game ever, by anyone. 44 points, on 21-22 shooting, with 13 rebounds.



I still remember Walton's soph year at UCLA. Coming into that season he was highly touted, but most pre-season mags had other players ranked ahead of him (like Tom Riker and Tom McMillen.) That 71-72 UCLA team became, IMHO, the greatest team in college basketball history. They not only went 30-0, they destroyed their opponents by an average margin of 98-64.

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[Jameerthefear]

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[Jameerthefear]

Go Go Power Rangers!
You've been exposed old man :oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Obviously two very intelligent posters.

[1987_Lakers]

Obviously two very intelligent posters.
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[SugarHill]

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[Pointguard]

This still makes zero sense :oldlol:

If anything is not a top priority for PG's, it's defense...
No this isn't an answer. Its you shooting off the top of your head again. Priority is another word you don't know the meaning of.


You're just letting your emotions for Rose could your judgment (like with KG), leading you to say dumb stuff.

This is your third post and do you really think you have said something that is relevant to basketball. Seriously. This is stupid, this is dumb, and you haven't refuted one thing I've said. Russell wasn't great in efficiency. Jordan was great in many areas, but not efficiency. Wilt great, a true great in FG% but gets dogged here, suffers in TS%. Bird, vastly inferior to Dantley in efficiency. Shaq, ts% not so good.



"Lol look at me, Dantley and English scored 30 ppg but are not top 50 all time, hence scoring is no relationship to greatness"
AND Dantley has some crazy efficiency numbers. Have you seen them?
You are so blinded that you are getting in your own way.



"Lol at Mark Jackson 4th all time in assists yet not even top 100 all time, playmaking is no relationship to greatness"

I specifically said the relationship to efficiency isn't a relationship to greatness. The relationship to assist isn't a relationship to greatness. You prove my point. Tho, you weren't bright enough to do so intentionally.



Just deal with the fact that Curry is a significantly more efficient and effective scorer, you tool.
I have said that numerous times here. Curry is the leagues most efficient and effective scorer. Doesn't means he's better than Lebron. He isn't close. Do you even know what you are arguing???

[Pointguard]

So we can only judge Bird by the times he did well? Do we extend that same courtesy to Rose? Because every time people like to critique him on his post-season "struggles" they only bring up his one series against a more talented Heat Squad. Besides that series the guy has actually had some pretty amazing playoff performances, my favourite being the battle between him and Rondo in his very first playoff appearance.
Exactly.

[LAZERUSS]

The Rose-bashing is ridiculous.

I'm not a huge fan of MVP voting, but in 2011, Rose won by a landslide. He captured 113 out of 121 1st place votes.

Curry is having a fabulous season, and while I think Lebron is the best player in the game, I have no problem with Curry getting the MVP. But I doubt he will get anywhere near 93% of the first place votes.

[Pointguard]

Im not sure what you think ts% is but Larry Bird was in fact a killer in that department.
Over most of his career Magic and Dantley were on a different level.

[mehyaM24]

2011 curry is more efficient and productive than rose has ever been - thus a better player.

[juju151111]

The Rose-bashing is ridiculous.

I'm not a huge fan of MVP voting, but in 2011, Rose won by a landslide. He captured 113 out of 121 1st place votes.

Curry is having a fabulous season, and while I think Lebron is the best player in the game, I have no problem with Curry getting the MVP. But I doubt he will get anywhere near 93% of the first place votes.
Nobody is arguing votes. They are arguing if Rose 2011 is on the same level has Curry season.

[upside24]

This seasons Curry is far better than 2011 Rose IMO.

Curry is a superior shooter and passer/playmaker. Rose had him on athletic ability, slashing and finishing around the rim (though Curry is a good finisher.)

Overall Curry's impact on the game is greater than Rose's was.

[LAZERUSS]

Nobody is arguing votes. They are arguing if Rose 2011 is on the same level has Curry season.

Well, do you honestly believe that today's NBA has more competition than Rose's in 2011?

[Pointguard]

The Rose-bashing is ridiculous.

I'm not a huge fan of MVP voting, but in 2011, Rose won by a landslide. He captured 113 out of 121 1st place votes.

Curry is having a fabulous season, and while I think Lebron is the best player in the game, I have no problem with Curry getting the MVP. But I doubt he will get anywhere near 93% of the first place votes.
If Harden finished off strong he would have gotten over 50 first place votes for sure. Why??? One he carried his team (like Rose), he won despite crazy injuries (like Rose), there were no excuses. Curry had a great season and is a solid player. His function was very different than Rose, who had to create with far less spacing, less talent and with out as much structure.

The funny thing is that Rose is the standard after not playing for 4 years. Curry fans are scared to compare Curry to Westbrook because they aren't confident in him being better than Westbrook. And efficiency won't mean a damn thing if Westbrook gets back on track.

[Pointguard]

Nobody is arguing votes. They are arguing if Rose 2011 is on the same level has Curry season.
They have different responsibilities. Curry is a solid player, I doubt that he can carry a team as the standout offensive weapon like Rose in 2011 or Westbrook this year. He's special and did great as a piece of a great system. I love Kawhil Leonard and he's doing the same thing in SA. I don't think Leonard could carry a team and be great as the standout offensive weapon yet but he's the best guy on a contender and was on a championship team. He's more proven than Curry under pressure. Leonard is a great piece in a great pie. Westbrook is a great player regardless of situation. I can't say that I know that for sure about Curry. A great situation helps all players. A bad situation definitely can make you think differently about a player. I can't say for sure I know about Curry.

[Bigsmoke]

Curry is unreal

[Jameerthefear]

Pointguard is such a ****ing moron :roll:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I'll take 2015 Curry over 2011 D-Rose but Curry is still an overrated player.

[jimmy77x]

I'll take 2015 Curry over 2011 D-Rose but Curry is still an overrated player.

After what he's been doing how in the hell can you say he's overrated?

[The_Yearning]

Live by the jumpshot, die by the jumpshot.

Eat your heart out Barkley :bowdown:

[warriorfan]

Curry deserves the MVP this year...but I would take a 2011 Rose.



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[ArbitraryWater]

no shit

[24-Inch_Chrome]

After what he's been doing how in the hell can you say he's overrated?

Because there are GS fans saying he's better than Durant. Still not a tier 1 player in the NBA, probably never will be.

[Cali Syndicate]

Because there are GS fans saying he's better than Durant. Still not a tier 1 player in the NBA, probably never will be.


Playoffs, he's averaging 30ppg on good efficiency, stepping up when his team needs him and been consistently clutch in addition to playing solid defense. He isn't the best player on that top shelf but he belongs there with his play throughout this season.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Durant, LeBron, Davis > Curry.

Those three are the only current tier 1 players.

[Jameerthefear]

Durant, LeBron, Davis > Curry.

Those three are the only current tier 1 players.
idk he's definitely better than davis. i'd say curry is a tier 1 player

[inclinerator]

davis is overrated

[Heavincent]

Durant, LeBron, Davis > Curry.

Those three are the only current tier 1 players.

Curry is averaging 30/7/5 on 48% shooting in the playoffs. If that's not a tier 1 player, I don't know what is.

[DMAVS41]

Pointguard is such a ****ing moron :roll:

Yes.

Yes he is.

[DMAVS41]

Because there are GS fans saying he's better than Durant. Still not a tier 1 player in the NBA, probably never will be.

Are you only defining tier 1 as Lebron?

Because Curry might be the on the verge of going MVP and finals MVP...while actually deserving both.

Yes, he's got a loaded team, but they are also absurdly reliant on him.

And he's doing 30/7/5 63% TS so far in the playoffs.

No, he's not Lebron, but he has an argument against every single player we've seen over the last few years....Durant included.

[DMAVS41]

And ROFL at this thread with moron PG and nathanjizzle or whatever the **** their names are.

Efficiency doesn't matter.

Just ban those ****s already so we don't have to hear about some run of the mill star player that happened to have a good regular season while playing in a bad conference with the best rebounding and defensive team behind him.

Rose still to this day hasn't beaten a team in the playoffs that would have made the playoffs in the West.

He and his fans to date have been total jokes.

[PsychoBe]

i might go as far as to say that curry has entered an entirely new tier above the rest as of now.

his team would be in shambles without him. i've seen klay blow wide-open lay-ups, dude can barely penetrate and can't shoot all too well inside the arc. literally every other player on that roster will rely largely on curry's or someone else's playmaking to get things done. he's like a general leading a group of misfits and turning them into the mongolian army. he just can't be stopped.

i say at this point it's on everyone else to try and say that they are on his level. the past doesn't matter anymore.

[tontoz]

Some guys are athletic freaks. Curry is a skill freak. He routinely takes and makes shots that would be bad shots for almost anyone else in the league.

LOL @ Pointguard saying that Curry relies on the system. Nobody shoots 3s off the dribble better than Curry and he can do that in any system.

Bird not an efficient scorer? His career average TS of 56.4% is better than Rose's career best year. Bird had back to back seasons with a TS over 60%.

[Budadiiii]

Some guys are athletic freaks. Curry is a skill freak. He routinely takes and makes shots that would be bad shots for almost anyone else in the league.

LOL @ Pointguard saying that Curry relies on the system. Nobody shoots 3s off the dribble better than Curry and he can do that in any system.

Bird not an efficient scorer? His career average TS of 56.4% is better than Rose's career best year. Bird had back to back seasons with a TS over 60%.
'Pointguard' is a 40 year old nut job that shouldn't be taken seriously on any subject, ever.

He's the delusional fatso who talks the loudest on the court but can never back it up

If I were to meet up with him in real life I'd try to break his back and make him paralyzed for life and make it so that he can only survive on machines as a human vegetable

And that's how I genuinely feel. His personality is equivalent to cancer, if not worse than cancer.

**** his ugly worthless parents for mating in the first place. He's an insufferable parasite that serves no purpose other than annoying people with his idiotic, delusional, and autistic fat black 40 year old words

[Dave3]

Durant, LeBron, Davis > Curry.

Those three are the only current tier 1 players.
Dude come on. Curry right now is giving LeBron a run for his money for best in the L, and is having a better playoffs so far. It's wrong to say he's a tier below LeBron/Durant, and it's flat out ridiculous to say he's a tier below AD, and I'm a huge AD fan (evidenced by the fact that I made multiple NOP game threads when no one else was watching lol.)

[warriorfan]

'Pointguard' is a 40 year old nut job that shouldn't be taken seriously on any subject, ever.

He's the delusional fatso who talks the loudest on the court but can never back it up

If I were to meet up with him in real life I'd try to break his back and make him paralyzed for life and make it so that he can only survive on machines as a human vegetable

And that's how I genuinely feel. His personality is equivalent to cancer, if not worse than cancer.

**** his ugly worthless parents for mating in the first place. He's an insufferable parasite that serves no purpose other than annoying people with his idiotic, delusional, and autistic fat black 40 year old words


Way to expose yourself as a loser. No one who is successful in life has anywhere close to that much built up anger. Stay losing.