Jimi Hendrix is the GOAT black musician!

[BlakFrankWhite]

Unlike other black music legends Armstrong,2pac,Miles Davis,MJ,Notorious BIG who became legends in fields that was already dominated by African-Americans....Hendrix entered the whitest of white music:rock music and CONQUERED it.

he's inspired hundreds of rock,jazz,blues musicians......there's a consensus among music historians that Hendrix is the greatest guitarist ever...and all 3 of his albums are considered milestones in rock music.


your thoughts?

[Knicks101]

Rock was white music?

[BlakFrankWhite]

Rock was white music?


in the 60s it was

[L.Kizzle]

your thoughts?
Are not very good.

Rock music became white dominated after blacks got through with it. Probably sometime around the mid-70s.

Before than, Sly Stone, Syl Johnson, Shuggie Otis and others you probably don't even know existed.

[BlakFrankWhite]

here's a short vid of how Clapton ruled the London music scene....Hendrix arrived and destroyed him...:bowdown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t4qXH_YaBs

[BlakFrankWhite]

Are not very good.

Rock music became white dominated after blacks got through with it. Probably sometime around the mid-70s.

Before than, Sly Stone, Syl Johnson, Shuggie Otis and others you probably don't even know existed.

but Hendrix is world known...he was the king of rock in its golden age.

better musician then MJ,Miles davis could have ever hoped to be

[dunksby]

Hendrix is your proper kinda genius, mental, brilliant, charismatic and extremely obsessed with his craft :bowdown:

[L.Kizzle]

but Hendrix is world known...he was the king of rock in its golden age.

better musician then MJ,Miles davis could have ever hoped to be
He's Miles Davis equal.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Hendrix is your proper kinda genius, mental, brilliant, charismatic and extremely obsessed with his craft :bowdown:


and screwed HUNDREDS of women. :bowdown: :bowdown:

MJ had all his material written for him....Hendrix was a self made man.

from being a supporting guitarist in 1965... to headlining woodstock four years later...woah....he was ahead of his time

[L.Kizzle]

and screwed HUNDREDS of women. :bowdown: :bowdown:

MJ had all his material written for him....Hendrix was a self made man.

from being a supporting guitarist in 1965... to headlining woodstock four years later...woah....he was ahead of his time
:biggums:

Hendirx wrote about 90% of his music, MJ about 50%.

[BigNBAfan]

i got a chance to see his grave in seattle - all along the watchtower's my fav.

[BlakFrankWhite]

:biggums:

Hendirx wrote about 90% of his music, MJ about 50%.


doesnt change the fact....Hendrix >>> MJ

listen man,MJ was pushed towards fame since he was 9...he appeared on shows,magazines etc...everything was handed to him.

Hendrix started from the bottom...hear check this from 1965(he's on the left)...within 4 years he climbed to the top of the music industry....headlining shows to an audiences of 100,000+


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2wBPix-nmg

Hendrix epitomises the struggles and success of a black man.

[dunksby]

here's a short vid of how Clapton ruled the London music scene....Hendrix arrived and destroyed him...:bowdown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t4qXH_YaBs
Clapton was already imitating his black idols as early as 65 trying to play British Blues.

[NumberSix]

Unlike other black music legends Armstrong,2pac,Miles Davis,MJ,Notorious BIG who became legends in fields that was already dominated by African-Americans....Hendrix entered the whitest of white music:rock music and CONQUERED it.

he's inspired hundreds of rock,jazz,blues musicians......there's a consensus among music historians that Hendrix is the greatest guitarist ever...and all 3 of his albums are considered milestones in rock music.


your thoughts?
Hendrix was big, but conquered? I mean, during his time there where definitely much bigger rock acts than The Jimi Hendrix Experience. We're talking about the exact same time where The Beatles put out Revolver, Sgt.Pepper, the white album, abbey road, etc... And The Rolling Stones were the next biggest rock band.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Hendrix was big, but conquered? I mean, during his time there where definitely much bigger rock acts than The Jimi Hendrix Experience. We're talking about the exact same time where The Beatles put out Revolver, Sgt.Pepper, the white album, abbey road, etc... And The Rolling Stones were the next biggest rock band.


Yup,conquered.

Hendrix's album are you experienced was the best selling album of 1968.

Next 2 of his albums both reached top of the music charts.

And guess who headlined Woodstock,the biggest rock festival of the 60s?

[DeuceWallaces]

Hendrix was big, but conquered? I mean, during his time there where definitely much bigger rock acts than The Jimi Hendrix Experience. We're talking about the exact same time where The Beatles put out Revolver, Sgt.Pepper, the white album, abbey road, etc... And The Rolling Stones were the next biggest rock band.

His 3 albums peaked at #5, #3, and #1 while going multiplatinum. He also had a chart topping live album.

[NumberSix]

His 3 albums peaked at #5, #3, and #1 while going multiplatinum. He also had a chart topping live album.
Right. He was a big act..... But there were bigger. It's like saying the UFC conquered American sports, even though organizations like the NFL are quite obviously bigger.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Clapton was already imitating his black idols as early as 65 trying to play British Blues.


Yeah Robert Johnson was his idol.

London street wall were filled with graffiti of " Clapton is God" .....then Hendrix arrived and mopped the floor with him...lol

[BlakFrankWhite]

Right. He was a big act..... But there were bigger. It's like saying the UFC conquered American sports, even though organizations like the NFL are quite obviously bigger.


Nah man.....1968-70 was a time when Beatles were at the end of their primes,bob Dylan had that car crash and was out of the music scene,rolling stones was in disarray(thier band leader died) and didn't regain their aura till '72....led zeppelin had just been formed.

It was Hendrix who was king of rock music at the time....

[DeuceWallaces]

Right. He was a big act..... But there were bigger. It's like saying the UFC conquered American sports, even though organizations like the NFL are quite obviously bigger.

It's not like that at all.

[NumberSix]

It's not like that at all.
Well, unless your idea of "conquered" means he became ONE OF the top rock acts and not THE top rock act, then I don't see how you make that argument.

[DeuceWallaces]

You can't make the argument at all. It's entirely subjective.

[dunksby]

Well, unless your idea of "conquered" means he became ONE OF the top rock acts and not THE top rock act, then I don't see how you make that argument.
Hendrix was bigger than everybody, he had an act for himself, the Beatles were a bunch of great musicians, Jimi Hendrix was a force and still is. I would have a hard time making it through a Beatles album now, but Hendrix's music never loses that sharp edge. When you listen to the Beatles you are like: they played nice music back then, but when you listen to Hendrix, you are like god damn this is ****ing good let me crank up the volume.

[L.Kizzle]

The greatest musician ever is someone prolific on all instruments. A Prince, Sly Stone or Bootys Collins comes to mind.

[rlsmooth775]

Michael jackson was a way better songwriter and was 1000 times more popular.

[NumberSix]

Hendrix was bigger than everybody, he had an act for himself, the Beatles were a bunch of great musicians, Jimi Hendrix was a force and still is. I would have a hard time making it through a Beatles album now, but Hendrix's music never loses that sharp edge. When you listen to the Beatles you are like: they played nice music back then, but when you listen to Hendrix, you are like god damn this is ****ing good let me crank up the volume.
If you are arguing on who's music is "more bad ass" then that's fine. It's subjective, but it's a fair argument.

[NumberSix]

The greatest musician ever is someone prolific on all instruments. A Prince, Sly Stone or Bootys Collins comes to mind.
Or someone like, Bach.

[dunksby]

The greatest musician ever is someone prolific on all instruments. A Prince, Sly Stone or Bootys Collins comes to mind.
Sly is a legend, he is on par with Hendrix greatness and brilliance wise, they share an advantage over their peers and that's the psychedelic element in their music.

[L.Kizzle]

Or someone like, Bach.
Well yeah. But we're talking modern music.

[dunksby]

If you are arguing on who's music is "more bad ass" then that's fine. It's subjective, but it's a fair argument.
No, I'm emphasizing the transcendent brilliance of Jimi.

[NumberSix]

No, I'm emphasizing the transcendent brilliance of Jimi.
What exactly is "transcendent brilliance"?

I don't think anybody would actually say his catalog is anywhere comparable to the beatles. Yeah, he's a better guitar player than any of the beatles, but how much does that really matter?

[dunksby]

What exactly is "transcendent brilliance"?

I don't think anybody would actually say his catalog is anywhere comparable to the beatles. Yeah, he's a better guitar player than any of the beatles, but how much does that really matter?
Well, as long as you insist on the belief that Hendrix was just a great guitar player, there can be no explaining for you. Catalog and canon is created by mainstream media, you got some exploring to do.

[L.Kizzle]

What exactly is "transcendent brilliance"?

I don't think anybody would actually say his catalog is anywhere comparable to the beatles. Yeah, he's a better guitar player than any of the beatles, but how much does that really matter?
The Beatles ...

[NumberSix]

Well, as long as you insist on the belief that Hendrix was just a great guitar player, there can be no explaining for you. Catalog and canon is created by mainstream media, you got some exploring to do.
I don't know if you play any instruments, but I like everybody else who does pretty obsessively learned Jimi's stuff and collected his bootlegs and out of print "albums" when I went through my period of learning how play guitar. His music is really good. I like it. I get that.

After you get over that "Jimi is the guitar god" worshipping period (usually by reaching a level where you are able to recognize that there are better guitar players) you're able to recognize that Jimi was a good musician, but there are better.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Hendrix was bigger than everybody, he had an act for himself, the Beatles were a bunch of great musicians, Jimi Hendrix was a force and still is. I would have a hard time making it through a Beatles album now, but Hendrix's music never loses that sharp edge. When you listen to the Beatles you are like: they played nice music back then, but when you listen to Hendrix, you are like god damn this is ****ing good let me crank up the volume.


Yeah this

Listen to voodoo child....I think Hendrix may have inadvertantly created heavy metal.lol

[DeuceWallaces]

Hendrix was bigger than everybody, he had an act for himself, the Beatles were a bunch of great musicians, Jimi Hendrix was a force and still is. I would have a hard time making it through a Beatles album now, but Hendrix's music never loses that sharp edge. When you listen to the Beatles you are like: they played nice music back then, but when you listen to Hendrix, you are like god damn this is ****ing good let me crank up the volume.

That may be how you listen to it, but you'd be wrong.

It would appear you lack any true understanding of harmony or theory. You like Hendrix; good for you.

[LJJ]

The only big downside to Hendrix being one of the greatest musicians of all time is that he only recorded three records over two years and he didn't have the opportunity to grow beyond that.

I mean compare Hendrix's first three records to the first three records of the Beatles, or even the last three. It's not even a comparison. While the Beatles certainly got down how to write a good tight pop song consistently, Hendrix completely blows them away in terms of creativity. If you consider the time frame what Hendrix has done is insane.

But three records is only three records. If we limit ourselves to Rock music alone Jimi can make the claim of being the greatest black rock musician ever despite only recording for two years, which is amazing. But mostly because there are not that many black greats in the rock genre. If we broaden the criteria even a little he can't compete with musicians that were just as good and just as influential but did that for decades.

[DeuceWallaces]

Yeah this

Listen to voodoo child....I think Hendrix may have inadvertantly created heavy metal.lol

Deep Purple, Sabbath, and Zeppelin created heavy metal.

[Im so nba'd out]

Michael Jackson says hi http://imageshack.us/a/img196/5772/beatit.gifhttp://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4119/jacksonn.gif

[dunksby]

I don't know if you play any instruments, but I like everybody else who does pretty obsessively learned Jimi's stuff and collected his bootlegs and out of print "albums" when I went through my period of learning how play guitar. His music is really good. I like it. I get that.

After you get over that "Jimi is the guitar god" worshipping period (usually by reaching a level where you are able to recognize that there are better guitar players) you're able to recognize that Jimi was a good musician, but there are better.
That's basically what I'm arguing against the Beatles, and you keep to the Jimi is a guitar god notion not me. I stopped trying to cover greats a decade ago, I mostly jam to my own loops or backing tracks after a smoke.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Michael Jackson says hi


Know the difference between musician and artist and then come back,you clown!

[dunksby]

That may be how you listen to it, but you'd be wrong.

It would appear you lack any true understanding of harmony or theory. You like Hendrix; good for you.
Go listen to Genesis, unoriginal and everyday like yourself.

[BlakFrankWhite]

The only big downside to Hendrix being one of the greatest musicians of all time is that he only recorded three records over two years and he didn't have the opportunity to grow beyond that.

I mean compare Hendrix's first three records to the first three records of the Beatles, or even the last three. It's not even a comparison. While the Beatles certainly got down how to write a good tight pop song consistently, Hendrix completely blows them away in terms of creativity. If you consider the time frame what Hendrix has done is insane.

But three records is only three records. If we limit ourselves to Rock music alone Jimi can make the claim of being the greatest black rock musician ever despite only recording for two years, which is amazing. But mostly because there are not that many black greats in the rock genre. If we broaden the criteria even a little he can't compete with musicians that were just as good and just as influential but did that for decades.


I've always wondered how Hendrix would have coped with psychedelic rock on the decline.....would he have gone towards a heavy metal style...or more towards blues?....considering he would've mastered both

[dunksby]

The only big downside to Hendrix being one of the greatest musicians of all time is that he only recorded three records over two years and he didn't have the opportunity to grow beyond that.

I mean compare Hendrix's first three records to the first three records of the Beatles, or even the last three. It's not even a comparison. While the Beatles certainly got down how to write a good tight pop song consistently, Hendrix completely blows them away in terms of creativity. If you consider the time frame what Hendrix has done is insane.

But three records is only three records. If we limit ourselves to Rock music alone Jimi can make the claim of being the greatest black rock musician ever despite only recording for two years, which is amazing. But mostly because there are not that many black greats in the rock genre. If we broaden the criteria even a little he can't compete with musicians that were just as good and just as influential but did that for decades.
For the record, I'm not arguing he is the GOAT black musician, but brilliant none the less.

[Im so nba'd out]

:mad:
you mad bitch?

http://i.imgur.com/eIQQVOH.jpg

[NumberSix]

The only big downside to Hendrix being one of the greatest musicians of all time is that he only recorded three records over two years and he didn't have the opportunity to grow beyond that.

I mean compare Hendrix's first three records to the first three records of the Beatles, or even the last three. It's not even a comparison. While the Beatles certainly got down how to write a good tight pop song consistently, Hendrix completely blows them away in terms of creativity. If you consider the time frame what Hendrix has done is insane.

But three records is only three records. If we limit ourselves to Rock music alone Jimi can make the claim of being the greatest black rock musician ever despite only recording for two years, which is amazing. But mostly because there are not that many black greats in the rock genre. If we broaden the criteria even a little he can't compete with musicians that were just as good and just as influential but did that for decades.
You only say that from the perspective of 50+ years of countless beatles influenced musicians. Of course it sounds unoriginal now. If someone does something completely new tomorrow, how original will it sounds after 50 years of other people doing it?

[BlakFrankWhite]

you mad bitch?

http://i.imgur.com/eIQQVOH.jpg


The old 'u mad' is a dipshit response when some gay kiddy on the net can't respond because he don't accept he knows f*** all about music.

[DeuceWallaces]

While the Beatles certainly got down how to write a good tight pop song consistently, Hendrix completely blows them away in terms of creativity.

Yeah, that's borderline retarded.

[Im so nba'd out]

:mad:
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[jongib369]

https://youtu.be/YQ3EWmdEki8

:biggums:

:bowdown:

*edited, posted the wrong song

[LJJ]

Yeah, that's borderline retarded.

I like the part where you specifically took away the context of me saying when you compare the first three or the last three records.


Yeh, th's bordne retad.

Hey look! What you said is retarded brah! :rolleyes: What a dumb way of arguing.

[LJJ]

You only say that from the perspective of 50+ years of countless beatles influenced musicians. Of course it sounds unoriginal now. If someone does something completely new tomorrow, how original will it sounds after 50 years of other people doing it?

For the record, influence doesn't count that much to me. The Spice Girls sold a helluva lot of records and influenced loads of music and I'd still consider them bad. At the same time Mingus isn't even 1% as influential in music history as The Beatles or Jimi Hendrix yet he's still far more brilliant and a vastly superior musician than them. To me. We are all just arguing something that's mostly subjective anyway, and anyone who pretends it isn't mostly subjective is a pretentious fool.

I'm just saying, if you compare them as equals Hendrix's creativity and palette just looks more impressive than the Beatles. And then considering the Beatles had three great songwriters, that's very impressive on Hendrix side. Of course, when you compare their catalogue and Hendrix has made three albums, all great, and then died, while the Beatles made 12 good/great records, virtually no one is going to state Hendrix's catalog is better.

[Akrazotile]

For the record, influence doesn't count that much to me. The Spice Girls sold a helluva lot of records and influenced loads of music and I'd still consider them bad. At the same time Mingus isn't even 1% as influential in music history as The Beatles or Jimi Hendrix yet he's still far more brilliant and a vastly superior musician than them. To me. We are all just arguing something that's mostly subjective anyway, and anyone who pretends it isn't mostly subjective is a pretentious fool.

I'm just saying, if you compare them as equals Hendrix's creativity and palette just looks more impressive than the Beatles. And then considering the Beatles had three great songwriters, that's very impressive on Hendrix side. Of course, when you compare their catalogue and Hendrix has made three albums, all great, and then died, while the Beatles made 12 good/great records, virtually no one is going to state Hendrix's catalog is better.


This is correct. Beatles might have been the first to get credit for a certain style, but many other of their contemporaries made music that held up a lot better over time. Dylan, Hendrix, Stones, even a lot of the Beatles' later solo stuff is better than "I want to hold your hand" and "Love me do." Chuck Berry was writing better pop music than the Beatles much earlier. And the Beatles started writing "deeper" stuff once they heard what Dylan and the Stones were doing.

Beatles = Overrated. Its all there is to it.

[Akrazotile]

I like the part where you specifically took away the context of me saying when you compare the first three or the last three records.



Hey look! What you said is retarded brah! :rolleyes: What a dumb way of arguing.


He has no opinions on anything. Hes all posturing.

[Akrazotile]

Also, in case anyones wondering, this thread was started by our resident George Costanza stunt double (legend of josh). Hes been making threads that relate to MJ in one way or another since he saw my pic in a J5 shirt.

He's a 24/7 meltdown. But the thread's an interesting discussion nonetheless.

[DeuceWallaces]

I like the part where you specifically took away the context of me saying when you compare the first three or the last three records.



Hey look! What you said is retarded brah! :rolleyes: What a dumb way of arguing.

You also said the last three; dumbass. Either way you slice it, that was a retarded statement that indicates you lack deep understanding of harmony, what constitutes pop in the early mid-60's, and what musical creativity is. I'll give you a hint, it's not a fuzzface, 4 plexi stacks, and lighting your guitar on fire.

[LJJ]

I like the part where you specifically took away the context of me saying when you compare the first three or the last three records.



Hey look! What you said is retarded brah! :rolleyes: What a dumb way of arguing.


You also said the last three; dumbass. Either way you slice it, that was a retarded statement that indicates you lack deep understanding of harmony, what constitutes pop in the early mid-60's, and what musical creativity is. I'll give you a hint, it's not a fuzzface, 4 plexi stacks, and lighting your guitar on fire.

Yeah no shit. Look at this fool talking about "deep harmony" (without going into any details obviously, couldn't if he wanted too) while he can't even read a simple sentence comprehensively.

[Cactus-Sack]

This thread is fvcking stupid and Hendrix is one of the most overrated musicians of all time.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Michael Jackson says hi http://imageshack.us/a/img196/5772/beatit.gifhttp://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4119/jacksonn.gif

Jimi recorded as much quality material in three years as Wacko in 30. They're not in the same stratosphere in terms of musical talent.

[ThePhantomCreep]

This is correct. Beatles might have been the first to get credit for a certain style, but many other of their contemporaries made music that held up a lot better over time. Dylan, Hendrix, Stones, even a lot of the Beatles' later solo stuff is better than "I want to hold your hand" and "Love me do." Chuck Berry was writing better pop music than the Beatles much earlier. And the Beatles started writing "deeper" stuff once they heard what Dylan and the Stones were doing.

Beatles = Overrated. Its all there is to it.

Yeah, because the Stones weren't influenced by the Beatles at all. :rolleyes:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/Rolling_Stones_-_Their_Satanic_Majesties_Request_-_1967_Decca_Album_cover.jpg

[Akrazotile]

Yeah, because the Stones weren't influenced by the Beatles at all. :rolleyes:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/Rolling_Stones_-_Their_Satanic_Majesties_Request_-_1967_Decca_Album_cover.jpg


Of course they were, heavily influenced. But after patterning themselves after the Beatles initially the Stones started doing more real classic rock kind of stuff which seemed IMO to start influencing the Beatles, at least what was to be left of their output as a group.