Is there an argument for Lebron > Duncan?

[3ball]

I'm trying to come up with one.

Maybe regular season MVP's?.. Is that enough?

Otherwise, Duncan has him in every meaningful category.

Duncan even won a championship and was Finals MVP at exactly 22 years old (1999).

That's the same age Lebron was shitting the bed with 20 PPG on 35% shooting, his first non-GOAT, non-elite Finals performance.. Lebron would go on to have 5 more.. 5/5

[r0drig0lac]

no

[7secondsorless]

Sure, but prob a stupid one.

[K Xerxes]

I think LeBron peaked at a slightly higher level, but Duncan is clearly more accomplished as it stands.

More importantly though... do you have any Duncan gifs to share?

[midatlantic09]

I'm trying to come up with one.

Maybe regular season MVP's?.. Is that enough?

Otherwise, Duncan has him in every meaningful category.

Duncan even won a championship and was Finals MVP at exactly 22 years old (1999).

That's the same age Lebron was shitting the bed with 20 PPG on 35% shooting, his first non-GOAT, non-elite Finals performance.. Lebron would go on to have 5 more.. 5/5

How so?

[navy]

No MJ gifs?

Im disappointed.

[3ball]

I think LeBron peaked at a slightly higher level, but Duncan is clearly more accomplished as it stands.


Duncan had some of the most dominant Finals performances of all time, whereas Lebron never has.

Infact, other than one series where Lebron lost to Orlando, none of Lebron's playoff or Finals performances were as good as Duncan's best ones, so I don't agree with your "peak" argument.

[ImKobe]

Lebron is the Peyton Manning of the NBA.

[3ball]

More importantly though... do you have any Duncan gifs to share?



The only Duncan GIFs I have show MJ dunking on him or otherwise destroying him.. Not really relevant to the thread..


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7cd0f2d7213f3061b6bfd97470ceb708.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/35e143189259ba9efd81c628c18e0eb1.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Michael_Jordan_Dunks_On_Tim_Du_c637e9b63274127bb96 6a04f34e07da9.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Finishing_Over_Duncan_a_10e37bb5b61b627dcd2 e1170b8ae854f.gif


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/4-11-2015/cyFnUr.gif

[Real14]

Duncan is better.

[ImKobe]

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc311/skyhunter12/kobe-dunks-over-tim-duncan-full_get.jpg

[k0kakw0rld]

no there is none. LeBron will never be higher than Tim Duncan in the all time list by default. Lost twice against him and won 0. (In the finals) (Both times Duncan didn't win FMVP tho!)

[inclinerator]

no but lebron is only a little half way done with his career

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

no there is none. LeBron will never be higher than Tim Duncan in the all time list by default. Lost twice against him and won 0. (In the finals) (Both times Duncan didn't win FMVP tho!)
So I take it you began watching basketball last year?

[dubeta]

LOL LeBron is easily a better overall player than Duncan, its not a debate.

Ops question is like asking is there an argument for Duncan >Horry?

Theres been many players every season who are more talented and superior players than Duncan, but doesnt have the teammates or coaching to win.

[Joyner82reload]

no but lebron is only a little half way done with his career

if by 75-80% you mean little half way done, then sure.

[dubeta]

if by 75-80% you mean little half way done, then sure.

LeBron could be 100% done and retire tomorrow and Durant would still never catch him all-time


And with Durants recent injuries wouldnt surprise me if he retired before LeBron

[sportjames23]

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc311/skyhunter12/kobe-dunks-over-tim-duncan-full_get.jpg


Not relevant to this thread.


Nice facial doe.

[sportjames23]

LOL LeBron is easily a better overall player than Duncan, its not a debate.

Ops question is like asking is there an argument for Duncan >Horry?

Theres been many players every season who are more talented and superior players than Duncan, but doesnt have the teammates or coaching to win.


Do tell.

[pauk]

I'm trying to come up with one.

More like trying to NOT come up with one.



Maybe regular season MVP's?.. Is that enough?

Yes, but not enough if you are going by only that.



Otherwise, Duncan has him in every meaningful category.

Is being a better, more prominent, more productive, more dominant & more impactful actual individual player who was the best player in the league far more times than Duncan meaningful (not sure if Duncan ever even was a clear best player in the league)?

To me that is the most meaningful.... that is the #1 priority on my all-time list... then comes accolades within CONTEXT....

The fact is, nobody on this planet would pick Duncan over Lebron deep down inside, no way in hell did he boost his teams success as greatly as Lebron whos impact is historical, no way could he squeeze out every inch of talent/skill he had to work with around him.... those who would would do so only because of staning/hating, like i would for example pick Reggie Miller over Lebron knowing perfectly well i would get a lesser player and that my team would be less successful, only because i loved to see Reggie play that much....

Duncan is ranked ahead of Lebron on most all-time lists only because of OVERRATING OF TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT....


Duncan even won a championship and was Finals MVP at exactly 22 years old (1999).

He had also an amazing team/cast & coach... something Lebron didnt have at that age...



That's the same age Lebron was shitting the bed with 20 PPG on 35% shooting, his first non-GOAT, non-elite Finals performance.. Lebron would go on to have 5 more.. 5/5

No, that was the age Lebron was already better than Duncan ever was in his life.... he was 21 when he went to the Finals, taking the worst supporting cast in NBA history to be in a NBA Finals.... nice try there trying to twist around what he did there like if it was bad or like it would be more prestigious to lose earlier and/or miss playoffs.... because that is what Duncan would have done if he had that supporting cast...

[sd3035]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2mi5v.gif

[dubeta]

Do tell.

Theres not a single rational person that would select Duncan over LeBron in an all-time draft.

LeBron at worst is top 4 in an all-time draft

[3ball]

Lebron taking the worst supporting cast in NBA history to be in a NBA Finals.


Lebron played the worst competition anyone's ever played to make a Finals that year, so it's moot.

Also, Lebron making the Finals is no excuse for only averaging 20 PPG and 35% once he got there - that might be the worst Finals performance ever for a #1 option ever.. I think it IS actually..

Also, it's well-documented (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=361889) that Lebron didn't carry his team in 2007 as much as other stars have carried their teams.... including Duncan..

Duncan has achieved all-time-level Finals performances - you know what i'm talking about - the MJ/Shaq/2006 Wade level of performance... Lebron has never dominated a Finals like this.

[nba_55]

LeBron could be 100% done and retire tomorrow and Durant would still never catch him all-time


And with Durants recent injuries wouldnt surprise me if he retired before LeBron

:oldlol: This comment put a hole in his heart and it will never be repaired.

[pauk]

I know you are trolling and/or simply just showing crazy insecurity as a Lebron loathing Jordan stan (not sure why, its not like Lebron is anywhere close to surpass him or something, calm the hell down?) but DUNCAN is treated this way by everybody....... they say how underrated he is... to the point where he is now just getting purely overrated, simply because of team accomplishments which in many of he wasnt even the best player but tied and/or going back-n-forth with tony parker.... now that guy, Tony Parker, THAT guy is underrated.... this team accomplishment he got just now, where he CLEARLY wasnt the best player, believe it or not boosted him 2-3-4 spots on many peoples all-time list.... like that 1 championship was really equivalent of those guys championship runs he just passed..... He has unfortunately become overrated....

...and like i said before, there has been at least 20 players who CLEARLY were better individual players than him.... and i listed those many times, i gave even 30 as those extra 10 were arguable aswell.... You couldnt say that about Lebron could you? No matter how much you hate him....

[Prime_Shaq]

No.

Players I'll take over LeBron in an all-time draft
MJ
Kareem
Shaq
Duncan
Magic
Bird

[greatest-ever]

As it stands i would say probably not or maybe a really weak argument. But i guess it depends on your criteria, if you don't value longevity or rings much then i can see how you'd take Lebron. For me i just don't think he has the longevity yet plus Duncan's resume is a bit more impressive. Come back to me in 3-4 years on this one.

[dubeta]

No.

Players I'll take over LeBron in an all-time draft
MJ
Kareem
Shaq
Duncan
Magic
Bird

:roll:

[greatest-ever]

Theres not a single rational person that would select Duncan over LeBron in an all-time draft.

LeBron at worst is top 4 in an all-time draft
This isn't about who you'd draft between them, it's does Lebron have an argument to be ranked higher today. And my answer is probably not because of the huge longevity gap. Anyone with bball knowledge knows Lebron is a better payer.

[DonDadda59]

no but lebron is only a little half way done with his career

Bron's gonna have a 24 year career? :eek:

[sportjames23]

:oldlol: This comment put a hole in his heart and it will never be repaired.


Uh, who's heart? I'm not a Durant stan, fggt.

[T_L_P]

Does pauk ever really say anything? He could write over 5000 words in this thread and not one of them would explain why Duncan is overrated. What is specifically?

When pauk does say something, it's usually completely retarded.

Anyone who thinks Rick Barry had a better prime than Duncan or that LeBron should have 10+ DPOYs clearly has no idea what he's talking about. He even said he could go in great detail to explain why those players had a better prime than Duncan, but he hasn't visited the thread since. :oldlol:

[Leroy Jetson]

Theres not a single rational person that would select Duncan over LeBron in an all-time draft.

LeBron at worst is top 4 in an all-time draft
You mean the man who has led his team to five titles and led his team to the highest winning percentage all time? And he did this all in by far the best conference his entire career. Yes what rational person would choose him over a guy who cramps up, wilts, defers and stat pads in the finals?

[sportjames23]

You mean the man who has led his team to five titles and led his team to the highest winning percentage all time? And he did this all in by far the best conference his entire career. Yes what rational person would choose him over a guy who cramps up, wilts, defers and stat pads in the finals?


I see what you did there.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

No. Duncan is a top-5 all-time player in my books, LeBron is at the bottom end of the top-10.

Both are greater than Kobe though. :yaohappy:

[Leroy Jetson]

More like trying to NOT come up with one.



Yes, but not enough if you are going by only that.



Is being a better, more prominent, more productive, more dominant & more impactful actual individual player who was the best player in the league far more times than Duncan meaningful (not sure if Duncan ever even was a clear best player in the league)?

To me that is the most meaningful.... that is the #1 priority on my all-time list... then comes accolades within CONTEXT....

The fact is, nobody on this planet would pick Duncan over Lebron deep down inside, no way in hell did he boost his teams success as greatly as Lebron whos impact is historical, no way could he squeeze out every inch of talent/skill he had to work with around him.... those who would would do so only because of staning/hating, like i would for example pick Reggie Miller over Lebron knowing perfectly well i would get a lesser player and that my team would be less successful, only because i loved to see Reggie play that much....

Duncan is ranked ahead of Lebron on most all-time lists only because of OVERRATING OF TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT....



He had also an amazing team/cast & coach... something Lebron didnt have at that age...



No, that was the age Lebron was already better than Duncan ever was in his life.... he was 21 when he went to the Finals, taking the worst supporting cast in NBA history to be in a NBA Finals.... nice try there trying to twist around what he did there like if it was bad or like it would be more prestigious to lose earlier and/or miss playoffs.... because that is what Duncan would have done if he had that supporting cast...
Leading your team to the finals in the east is like making it out of the first round in the West. If the Spurs were in the east Duncan would have made at least ten finals and six rings. 4fmvps minimum.

[TripleA]

I'm trying to come up with one.

Maybe regular season MVP's?.. Is that enough?

Otherwise, Duncan has him in every meaningful category.

Duncan even won a championship and was Finals MVP at exactly 22 years old (1999).

That's the same age Lebron was shitting the bed with 20 PPG on 35% shooting, his first non-GOAT, non-elite Finals performance.. Lebron would go on to have 5 more.. 5/5


Passing: lebron by a lot
scoring: lebron by a lot
Dominance: lebron a lot
defense: duncan by lot amount
Intangibles: duncan good amount
Rebounding: duncan a lot
Longevity: duncan a lot
Playoffs: Lebron barely
Ring: duncan a lot

personally I think Shaq and Kobe were better players than duncan but duncan was greater over his career

it depends in what you find more important in a great player and all time player lists themselves are subjective.

we all can have are differing opinions without hating on each other.
:cheers:

[kennethgriffin]

LOL LeBron is easily a better overall player than Duncan, its not a debate.

Ops question is like asking is there an argument for Duncan >Horry?

Theres been many players every season who are more talented and superior players than Duncan, but doesnt have the teammates or coaching to win.



it makes me so happy that lebron fans 12 years later are still using the horry excuse

makes you realize just how unaccomplished lebron still is in the grand scheme of things

:lol

[dubeta]

it makes me so happy that lebron fans 12 years later are still using the horry excuse

makes you realize just how unaccomplished lebron still is in the grand scheme of things

:lol

Bob Cousy > Kobe there is no debate

[Showtime2001]

No in fact he isn't greater than Kobe either.

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-21703-Tim-Duncan-Deal-With-It-gif-gbjX.gif

[rmt]

You mean the man who has led his team to five titles and led his team to the highest winning percentage all time? And he did this all in by far the best conference his entire career. Yes what rational person would choose him over a guy who cramps up, wilts, defers and stat pads in the finals?

Not just the best conference but the best division - possibility of all 5 SW teams making the playoffs this year.

You didn't mention Lebron's team hopping to get better team mates.

[AkronAngel]

Of course there is. Champions without ever having a coach on par with Pop, MVPs, stats.

[DaSeba5]

Not even remotely at this point in LeBron's career.

[T_L_P]

Of course there is. Champions without ever having a coach on par with Pop, MVPs, stats.

http://www.albany.com/byesline/check%20my%20stats2.jpg

[kennethgriffin]

Bob Cousy > Kobe there is no debate

if bob played in the 80s/90s/00s+ in the post merger era i'd almost agree with you

but pre merger rings are worth half because they were less than half a league at the time before too expansions

sorry

and LOL@ horry/bob excuses even after 12 years by a lebron fan

shameful display

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Does pauk ever really say anything? He could write over 5000 words in this thread and not one of them would explain why Duncan is overrated. What is specifically?

When pauk does say something, it's usually completely retarded.

Anyone who thinks Rick Barry had a better prime than Duncan or that LeBron should have 10+ DPOYs clearly has no idea what he's talking about. He even said he could go in great detail to explain why those players had a better prime than Duncan, but he hasn't visited the thread since. :oldlol:
pauk always has and is about the couldves
he was gassin up his ball skills hard in that ISH challenge thread an hasnt posted sht since

[Rose'sACL]

hard to say right now. if duncan wins it this year then he is out of reach for lebron but if he doesn't win it this year then it might be in lebron's reach by the time he retires.
you can't really compare right now. OP made the thread because he hates lebron and wants duncan fans and lebron fans to fight while he enjoys a cold drink and cheetos in his basement.

[Alamо]

Lebron has more regular season MVP's and he's more marketable by a longshot.



That's all I got though

[houston]

not yet lebron need more years of having impact

[Kvnzhangyay]

How about this argument

The fact that your trying to make a comparison between two players, where one has only played a bit over half of the other?

[kennethgriffin]

well lets look at it

4.5 rings > 1.5 rings

2 finals wins vs lebron > 1 finals win vs duncan

lost 1 finals > lost 3 finals



both have a lockout title. thats where the similarities end

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Agenda

Duncan > LeBron > Kobe though.

:yaohappy:

[greatest-ever]

Id just like to also throw in that, if Duncan wins a 6th ring with respectable level of play then that will make it really hard for Lebron to pass him. It can be done but it would take several more impactful years without any slip ups in the playoffs.

[bob bob]

When pauk does say something, it's usually completely retarded.


Hum and it is YOU writing that? Seriously? TLP the worse fake spurs' fan ever!

[Showtime2001]

Duncan > LeBron > Kobe though.

:yaohappy:
5/7 > 2/5 doe.

:yaohappy:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

5/7 > 2/5 doe.

:yaohappy:

Robert Horry > both of them. :confusedshrug:

Plus only two of Kobe's rings came with him as the team's first option.

[jongib369]

Where do you rank LeBron OP?

[Showtime2001]

Robert Horry > both of them. :confusedshrug:

Plus only two of Kobe's rings came with him as the team's first option.
Robert Horry = not a hall of fame caliber player

- Duncan's last 2 rings don't count

- Magic's rings in 85' and 88' don't count

- Kareem's rings in 80' , 82' , 87' , and 88' don't count.

- Bird's first ring in 81' doesn't count.

:rolleyes:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Robert Horry = not a hall of fame caliber player

- Duncan's last 2 rings don't count

- Magic's rings in 85' and 88' don't count

- Kareem's rings in 80' , 82' , 87' , and 88' don't count.

- Bird's first ring in 81' doesn't count.

:rolleyes:

I'll rephrase, Kobe was only needed for two rings. :confusedshrug:

Robert Horry has a better finals record than Kobe or LeBron though, which should be noted considering how eager you seem to boil everything down into ring counts.

[dubeta]

At the end of the day (FMVPs + MVPs) x PER is the only mathematical way to judge players all time. It's the golden formula


Everything else is just opinion, bias, fabricated nonsense etc

[kennethgriffin]

People who still to this day use robert horrys rings as an example of why legendary hof'ers rings dont count are obviously backing the wrong horse

Since after 12 years youd think their guy would have accomplished enough by now for them to aknowledge such accomplishments

[ArbitraryWater]

I'll rephrase, Kobe was only needed for two rings. :confusedshrug:

Robert Horry has a better finals record than Kobe or LeBron though, which should be noted considering how eager you seem to boil everything down into ring counts.

Why rephrase? Lets call out their stupidity in his post

Kobe blowhards act like best player is the same as FMVP, when they damn sure know Shaq wasnt just the FMVP, but also best player, same as Kareem in '80, '82, same as Duncan in 2007, same as Bird in '81.

[Showtime2001]

I'll rephrase, Kobe was only needed for two rings. :confusedshrug:

Robert Horry has a better finals record than Kobe or LeBron though, which should be noted considering how eager you seem to boil everything down into ring counts.
Kobe was needed for 5 rings you take Kobe or Shaq off the 3 peat Lakers and they win nothing.

Robert Horry has 7 rings by riding the coattails of great teams.

Robert Horry = not a hall of fame caliber player.

[3ball]

How about this argument

The fact that your trying to make a comparison between two players, where one has only played a bit over half of the other?
this is lebron's 12th season - he has a maximum of 6 left, only 3-4 at an elite level.. so he's 2/3 of the way thru his career.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Kobe was needed for 5 rings you take Kobe or Shaq off the 3 peat Lakers and they win nothing.

Robert Horry has 7 rings by riding the coattails of great teams.

Robert Horry = not a hall of fame caliber player.

You take Shaq off and they win nothing. Don't try to equate them.

[Showtime2001]

You take Shaq off and they win nothing. Don't try to equate them.
You take one or the other they win nothing.

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-21703-Tim-Duncan-Deal-With-It-gif-gbjX.gif

[24-Inch_Chrome]

You take one or the other they win nothing.



http://i.giphy.com/O5NyCibf93upy.gif

[Showtime2001]

http://i.giphy.com/O5NyCibf93upy.gif
http://s15.postimg.org/wgkoc0rjf/11083018_10205368344262341_1906565945_n_jpg_oh_e.j pg

:lol

[Showtime2001]

Showtime2001, you 2001playoffs?
Nope.

Are you dubeta?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

:lol

How many did Kobe win before Shaq?

Shaq >>> Kobe, that isn't a debate.

[Showtime2001]

How many did Kobe win before Shaq?

Shaq >>> Kobe, that isn't a debate.

Shaq with Kobe:

http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m52lgkrcpD1qbvq32o1_1280.jpg

Shaq before Kobe:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BE2Kbq2CAAIvFL3.jpg:large

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-YLmNRz0c-8/hqdefault.jpg

[tmacattack33]

Lebron peaked higher. In 2012 or 2009.

Of course Duncan is ahead of Lebron right now.

But it doesn't seem that Lebron is really going to go downhill as fast as some people think. He will be great for another 5 years it seems.

At that point, he will have been GREAT (not just good, but great...a top 5 player in the league) for 15 years, from 2005-2020. Nobody has done that that I know of.

Many people will mad and try to deny it. And I will be laughing while it happens.

[LoneyROY7]

no but lebron is only a little half way done with his career

Only half way? He's gonna play 10+ more years?

[L.A.Showtime]

Duncan is clearly better.

[ILLsmak]

no but lebron is only a little half way done with his career

u out your dam mind.

-Smak

[TheMan]

At the end of the day (FMVPs + MVPs) x PER is the only mathematical way to judge players all time. It's the golden formula


Everything else is just opinion, bias, fabricated nonsense etc
With that standard, MJ is way ahead and LeBron has little to no chance at catching him.

Also, Duncan > Bran

[rmt]

Robert Horry = not a hall of fame caliber player

- Duncan's last 2 rings don't count

- Magic's rings in 85' and 88' don't count

- Kareem's rings in 80' , 82' , 87' , and 88' don't count.

- Bird's first ring in 81' doesn't count.

:rolleyes:

Seems to me that Duncan was the best player in both regular season and playoffs in 2006-07

2006-07 Regular Season
Duncan 20 pts / 10.6 rebs / 3.4 asst / 2.4 blks 54.6%
Parker 18.6 pts / 5.5 asst 52%

2007 Playoffs
Duncan 22.2 pts / 11.5 rebs / 3.3 asst / 3.1 blks 52.1%
Parker 20.8 pts / 5.8 asst 48%

And last year, it was very much a team effort - especially when the defense of both Duncan and Leonard is considered (compared to the sieve that Parker is):

2013-14 Regular Season
Duncan 15.1 pts / 9.7 rebs / 3 asst / 1.9 blks 49%
Parker 16.7 pts / 5.7 asst 49.9%
Leonard 12.8 pts / 6.2 rebs /2 asst /1.7 stl 52.2%

2014 Playoffs
Duncan 16.3 pts / 9.2 rebs / 2 asst / 1.3 blks 52.3%
Parker 17.4 pts / 4.8 asst 48.6%
Leonard 14.3 pts / 6.7 rebs / 1.7 asst / 1.7 stl 51%

Kobe stans like to discredit Duncan to prop up their hero but you can't argue facts.

[3ball]

Lebron peaked higher. In 2012 or 2009.

Of course Duncan is ahead of Lebron right now.


you are talking about regular season performance, which doesn't matter.

duncan has peaked far higher in the postseason, including the Finals..

duncan has all-time dominant playoffs and Finals; lebron never has.

[KembaWalker]

Shaq with Kobe:

http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m52lgkrcpD1qbvq32o1_1280.jpg

Can we take a moment to recognize PJax looking fresh af :coleman:
Kobe with them jorts too, the 2000's :pimp:

[Anaximandro1]

prime Duncan was undefeated in the NBA finals (4-0) ... prime LeBron is (2-3)

both prime Duncan and LeBron averaged similar USG% and ORtg in the NBA finals. The difference is the defense ... Duncan was insanely good.

Duncan DRtg - NBA Finals


1999 - 89
2003 - 83
2005 - 100
2007 - 91

LeBron DRtg - NBA Finals


2007 - 104
2011 - 110
2012 - 109
2013 - 105
2014 - 116


BTW

TOP individual Playoff Runs (Title Runs since 1974)

BPM -> Box Score Estimate of the points per 100 Possessions a player contributed above a league-average player, translated to an average team

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bsqHo2AUZ_o/VNngkPAie1I/AAAAAAAADxA/wvbBCAwmKI8/s1600/8.jpg

[3ball]

The difference is the defense ...


the difference is also that we all consider duncan to have dominated the playoffs and Finals at what would be considered an all-time level for his position.

lebron has never dominated a Finals at what would be considered an all-time level for his position.

[TripleA]

the difference is also that we all consider duncan to have dominated the playoffs and Finals at what would be considered an all-time level for his position.

lebron has never dominated a Finals at what would be considered an all-time level for his position.

Im pretty sure lebron is one of the most most dominate playoff performers in nba history top five at least. But I agree he for some reason he does not dominate the finals

[k0kakw0rld]

So I take it you began watching basketball last year?
and won 1 oops!

[ILLsmak]

Can we take a moment to recognize PJax looking fresh af :coleman:
Kobe with them jorts too, the 2000's :pimp:

Birkenstocks son.

-Smak

[Ne 1]

I'll rephrase, Kobe was only needed for two rings. :confusedshrug:

Robert Horry has a better finals record than Kobe or LeBron though, which should be noted considering how eager you seem to boil everything down into ring counts.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTId0VHCAAA6yfD.jpg:large

http://i2.minus.com/iOKZLpUEvwsrw.jpg

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Shaq still carried Kobe.

MDE stays winning.

http://media.tumblr.com/e16dd16f4de841b391f118f72714a54e/tumblr_inline_nbat9kBEXc1satqni.gif

[KingBeasley08]

He already is

[COnDEMnED]

Lebron's got maybe 3 or 4 years left in the league. He currently has neither the championships, playoff/finals performances, nor the longevity to be in the same breath as Duncan.

Would a 37 year old Lebron beat a 29 year old Duncan in the Finals? No ****ing way.

[Showtime2001]

Shaq still carried Kobe.

MDE stays winning.

http://media.tumblr.com/e16dd16f4de841b391f118f72714a54e/tumblr_inline_nbat9kBEXc1satqni.gif
No he didn't stay mad doe.

You have no argument.

:yaohappy:

[Ne 1]

Shaq still carried Kobe.



Sports Illustrated wrote:
It appears that they've settled on having O'Neal, their gargantuan center, dominate at home while Bryant, their acrobatic swingman, takes top billing on the road. Or maybe it's that Shaq does the heavy lifting Monday through Thursday while Kobe works long weekends. It's not clear how they've divided the workload, but in light of the way O'Neal and Bryant carved up the Sacramento Kings in the Lakers' four-game sweep of their Western Conference semifinals last week, it's obvious that it will take an exceedingly strong and swift team to keep Los Angeles from repeating as champion.

...

When the series moved from Los Angeles to Sacramento for Game 3, the Kings ganged up on O'Neal, which left them vulnerable to Bryant's slicing, spinning forays to the basket and to some breathtaking one-on-one moves that freed him for jump shots. Bryant finished with 36 points in the Lakers' 103-81 victory. Then he outdid himself in Game 4. Although O'Neal fouled out in the fourth quarter with "only" 25 points and 10 rebounds, Bryant carried Los Angeles home with a 48-point, 16-rebound performance.

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Bryant seemed to be playing Game 4 with an extra spring in his step, and as it turned out, he and the Lakers needed it. O'Neal was hamstrung by foul trouble most of the game and took only two shots in the fourth quarter. Bryant, who played all 48 minutes, more than compensated with 15 points in the final period, but some of his best work was done earlier, when he devastated the Kings with nine offensive rebounds in the first three quarters. "He's such a quick jumper, he's like a pogo stick," said Sacramento's Doug Christie, who was assigned to guard Bryant most of the game. "He just found ways to beat us today, and that's the mark of a great player."

Bryant went to the foul line 19 times in both Game 3 and Game 4, a measure of how helpless the Kings were to stop him. He has such a quick first step that a defender's first priority has to be to back off and deny him the drive, but that doesn't begin to solve the problems he creates. Bryant is one of the few young players in the league with a polished midrange game, so when his slashes to the basket are cut off, he can stop and drop in whisper-soft jumpers. He has curbed his urge to turn every possession into a ball-handling exhibition, but he's still more than ready to go one-on-one when the situation calls for it, as it did with 3:09 remaining in Game 4, when O'Neal left with his sixth foul and the Lakers were clinging to a 106-103 lead.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm


How many players have risen to the challenge and dominated on the road the way that Kobe did in 2001?


The more that I go back and research 2001 (reading articles, watching games, etc.) the more that I'm sold about my perception back then being the right one -- Shaq and Kobe being neck and neck as the two best players in the league. Co-MVPs

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Ooh, Sports Illustrated? That just seals the deal. :rolleyes:

MDE stays winning.

http://media.tumblr.com/e16dd16f4de841b391f118f72714a54e/tumblr_inline_nbat9kBEXc1satqni.gif

[Showtime2001]

Ooh, Sports Illustrated? That just seals the deal. :rolleyes:

MDE stays winning.

http://media.tumblr.com/e16dd16f4de841b391f118f72714a54e/tumblr_inline_nbat9kBEXc1satqni.gif
http://memecrunch.com/meme/X0AQ/kobe-u-mad-bro/image.png

:lol

[red1]

Lebron's got maybe 3 or 4 years left in the league. He currently has neither the championships, playoff/finals performances, nor the longevity to be in the same breath as Duncan.

Would a 37 year old Lebron beat a 29 year old Duncan in the Finals? No ****ing way.
TEAM basketball genius

[Beastmode88]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTId0VHCAAA6yfD.jpg:large

http://i2.minus.com/iOKZLpUEvwsrw.jpg

If lebron had similar stats to dwade in the 2011 finals maybe we wont be questioning lebron's greatness.

[3ball]

TEAM basketball genius


Nah, the 2014 Finals was the story of Lebron having a chance to 3-peat and literally be recognized as GOAT alongside Michael Jordan (at least by perception, if not reality).

But he proved not capable of doing what it took - this includes averaging 40 PPG necessary to get it done, just like MJ had to do.

Instead, his production stopped at 28 PPG, so his team got destroyed.

THAT'S the story of the 2014 NBA Finals my friend.. :pimp:

[christian1923]

Nah, the 2014 Finals was the story of Lebron having a chance to 3-peat and literally be recognized as GOAT alongside Michael Jordan (at least by perception, if not reality).

But he proved not capable of doing what it took - this includes averaging 40 PPG necessary to get it done, just like MJ had to do.

Instead, his production stopped at 28 PPG, so his team got destroyed.

THAT'S the story of the 2014 NBA Finals my friend.. :pimp:
Basically.

People always talk about how miami had no chance, nothing Lebron could do... Please...! He should have been shooting 40 times a night.

[MJistheGOAT]

Basically.

People always talk about how miami had no chance, nothing Lebron could do... Please...! He should have been shooting 40 times a night.

Bu bu but my stats!!! The cramps!!
He quit as in the 2010 ECF, when faced with adversity (inferior team) he runs.

His principal weakness is his weak mind.