65 assists and 5 turnovers in the last 5 games

[Young X]

Is this impressive to you?

[Fudge]

5 W's
21/13/5 on 53/50/97 splits

:biggums:

Peak CP3 esque

[Im so nba'd out]

Is this impressive to you?
it would be if you didnt make up those numbers..63 ast to 5 turnovers and it's in 6 games not 5

[CarlosBoozer]

Do you even need a coach when you got cp3? :confusedshrug:

[SaltyMeatballs]

Best PG in the league.

[L.A.Showtime]

That is pretty good. Who did this?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

We might be seein peak CP3 right now..........he was far more athletic in 08 and 09, put up bigger numbers and had more stamina but his defense has never been better (team has him on big 6'6 players and bigger now), hes havin his best passing season more tight, he can speed up and slow down tempo at the right times, hes the best midrange shooter in the league, his 3pt shot been money, his skills have never been as good as they are now. Hes the best player in the league for sure

[Young X]

it would be if you didnt make up those numbers..63 ast to 5 turnovers and it's in 6 games not 517/1
9/1
15/1
10/0
14/2

= 65/5

The 63/5 one was at the beginning of the season.

Also had 60 assists and 6 turnovers in a playoff series.

[T_L_P]

Best PG since Magic Johnson.

[sammichoffate]

Best PG since Magic Johnson.http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1930999/jason-kidd-reaction.gif

[bballnoob1192]

still a mental midget in the playoffs.

[Im so nba'd out]

17/1
9/1
15/1
10/0
14/2

= 65/5

The 63/5 one was at the beginning of the season.

Also had 60 assists and 6 turnovers in a playoff series.
i was looking at the game logs from the start of the year my bad :facepalm

[Rose'sACL]

Best PG since Magic Johnson. Isiah Thomas would be the only pg other than magic that i would take over cp3 in the modern era.

[mehyaM24]

still a mental midget in the playoffs.
he's probably the most overrated pg of all time. cherry picker & stay padder.

too bad that his style of play isn't conducive to winning in the playoffs e.g. game 5 vs okc (last year).

[aj1987]

he's probably the most overrated pg of all time. cherry picker & stay padder.

too bad that his style of play isn't conducive to winning in the playoffs e.g. game 5 vs okc (last year).
You do know that he was the most "impactful" player last season according to your precious little stat, right? Had more defensive "impact" than LeBron as well. :roll:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

You do know that he was the most "impactful" player last season according to your precious little stat, right? Had more defensive "impact" than LeBron as well. :roll:
what stat is that:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[mehyaM24]

i don't use one stat to draw conclusions. there are some raw numbers i am inclined to use along with the eye test.

his rpm fell off in the postseason, btw - and as i said, choked/went missing in that series vs okc.

with the roster he plays with, they're at least a finalist. no excuses.

[dubeta]

Best PG since Magic Johnson.
That would be Tony Parker

[Spaulding]

That would be Tony Parker


http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/images/2/2b/NashSmellsLiketheVault.gif

[aj1987]

what stat is that:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
Dumbshit uses RAPM to evaluate players.


i don't use one stat to draw conclusions. there are some raw numbers i am inclined to use along with the eye test.

his rpm fell off in the postseason, btw - and as i said, choked/went missing in that series vs okc.

with the roster he plays with, they're at least a finalist. no excuses.
And if you actually watched any of the games, you would know that Wade was Miami's most impactful player BY FAR. Go read the GT's. Posters were calling Spo a retard for not putting Wade back in the game, when the offense was falling apart. Heck, he WAS the Heat's offense. It's obvious that you haven't watched a single game of basketball EVER.

[T_L_P]

That would be Tony Parker

And LeBron's "worst PG in the league" outscored in games 6 and 7 of the 2013 Finals.

My god, those Heat teams were so stacked. Scrub Chalmers outscoring the greatest PG of the past 20 years. :eek:

[Young X]

I wonder how much of a "choker" he would be if he played his whole career in the east where he would be facing the sub .500 Bucks and Celtics instead of the Spurs, OKC, Grizzlies and Lakers.

I guess we'll never know. :confusedshrug:

[mehyaM24]

nd if you actually watched any of the games, you would know that Wade was Miami's most impactful player BY FAR. Go read the GT's. Posters were calling Spo a retard for not putting Wade back in the game, when the offense was falling apart. Heck, he WAS the Heat's offense. It's obvious that you haven't watched a single game of basketball EVER.
if spo were smart, he would have ran the offense through dragic the minute he was traded to miami.

but, this thread has nothing to do with wade or miami. stay on topic dude.

[aj1987]

if spo were smart, he would have ran the offense through dragic the minute he was traded to miami.

but, this thread has nothing to do with wade or miami. stay on topic dude.
Dragic wasn't even that good running the offense. As I said, watch the games before you comment on them. Stats can probably tell you about a fifth of the game.

BTW, have you ever actually watched a basketball game or do you just keep looking up your "impact" stats?

[mehyaM24]

i've never watched a game of basketball in my life. just read box-scores from news paper clippings.

you caught me. lol

[L.A.Showtime]

http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/images/2/2b/NashSmellsLiketheVault.gif

Nash was better than Parker, but I got Kidd and Payton over him since Magic.

[aj1987]

i've never watched a game of basketball in my life. just read box-scores from news paper clippings.

you caught me. lol
Wasn't that hard. A dude who uses only a made up stat to judge players has most certainly never watched a game in his life.

[navy]

Chris Paul is one of the most impactful players in the league. To claim otherwise is trolling.

It's a shame he "cemented" the choker legacy with that Game 5 vs OKC, which still let's face it had some major ref influence, but you can check the stats and the numbers. He's usually pretty solid in clutch. Terrible this season as he runs out of gas, but historically.

Easily a top 3 point guard and you could put him at 1 and not be looked at crazily. top 10 player in the nba.

And idiots using rpm should know he was second last year ahead of Durant...

Fvck the noise. Best pg since magic.

[ThickassGlasses]

Chris Paul is one of the most impactful players in the league. To claim otherwise is trolling.

It's a shame he "cemented" the choker legacy with that Game 5 vs OKC, which still let's face it had some major ref influence, but you can check the stats and the numbers. He's usually pretty solid in clutch. Terrible this season as he runs out of gas, but historically.

Easily a top 3 point guard and you could put him at 1 and not be looked at crazily. top 10 player in the nba.

And idiots using rpm should know he was second last year ahead of Durant...

Fvck the noise. Best pg since magic.

Kidd is too underrated around here.

[mehyaM24]

and also one of the most overrated players in the postseason, going MIA in huge stretches during games against OKC & GS. hell, look at his 2012 splits in those series vs SA. guy was humiliated.

a high impact player, sure - until the playoffs where he's no longer the best regular season pg.

rpm won't tell you that. the eye test will.

[navy]

Kidd is too underrated around here.
If you say so. He led average win teams to the nba finals in the east and proceeded to get destroyed in them. Is that enough to put him over CP3 for me? No not really. Steve Nash ran some of the all time great offenses, but was really as complete as paul? No I dont think so.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Kidd was a great player one of the best perimeter defenders in his prime and a better overall defender than CP (tho CP has his advantages). Im a big fan but outside of longevity Kidd has no argument over CP. On offense CP has a gigantic advantage almost everywhere. The scoring and shooting especially,

CP is the best midrange shooter in the league this season on insane percentages and volume and hes assisted on it LESS than pretty much every player. Kidd couldnt pull up and knock down shots like that to pressure defenses, he made his money in transition. CPs way better in halfcourt, the pickandroll, could score from anywhere, much better slasher, better ballhandler, takes care of it better etc.

[navy]

and also one of the most overrated players in the postseason, going MIA in huge stretches during games against OKC & GS. hell, look at his 2012 splits in those series vs SA. guy was humiliated.

a high impact player, sure - until the playoffs where he's no longer the best regular season pg.

rpm won't tell you that. the eye test will.
shifting through the bullshit

I'll agree that he isnt a good enough scorer to carry his teams in the post season when most of his guys really cant be relied upon to score for themselves. It's why "pure" point guards usually dont make much noise on their own.

[mehyaM24]

If you say so. He led average win teams to the nba finals in the east and proceeded to get destroyed in them. Is that enough to put him over CP3 for me? No not really. Steve Nash ran some of the all time great offenses, but was really as complete as paul? No I dont think so.
cp-midget has never made the finals despite playing with better players & teams.

kidd, who made b2b finals, was (at least) a top 5 impact player with the likes of kg, duncan, & shaq - better players than anyone today, aside from lebron. obviously.

[navy]

cp-midget has never made the finals despite playing with better players & teams.

kidd, who made b2b finals, was (at least) a top 5 impact player with the likes of kg, duncan, & shaq - better players than anyone today, aside from lebron. obviously.
Implying that Jason Kidd beat anyone worth mentioning on his way to the Finals or in the finals?

[Young X]

cp-midget has never made the finals despite playing with better players & teams.

kidd, who made b2b finals, was (at least) a top 5 impact player with the likes of kg, duncan, & shaq - better players than anyone today, aside from lebron. obviously.That's only because he played in the weak east where you can get to the finals and conference finals by beating sub 50 win teams that wouldn't even make the playoffs in the west.

When Kidd played in the west he either missed the playoffs or lost in the 1st round in his first 7 straight seasons. The very next season he gets traded to the east and goes to the finals. That's not a coincidence.

It's not rocket science. You're way more likely to make a deep playoff run facing 38-44 win teams in the east than 56-62 win teams in the west.

[Genaro]

That's only because he played in the weak east where you can get to the finals and conference finals by beating sub 50 win teams that wouldn't even make the playoffs in the west.

When Kidd played in the west he either missed the playoffs or lost in the 1st round in his first 7 straight seasons. The very next season he gets traded to the east and goes to the finals. That's not a coincidence.

It's not rocket science. You're way more likely to make a deep playoff run facing 38-44 win teams in the east than 56-62 win teams in the west.
This. I wonder what would happen to CP career had he been drafted by the Hawks or the Bucks

[Graviton]

Kidd does seem to get overrated, people rip on Westbrook for his FG% yet Kidd is a 40% shooter in the regular season and 39% in the playoffs, for his career. And that's while taking 7-8 less shots.

Paul is definitely a better overall player, playoff success in the weak East is irrelevant.

[PsychoBe]

the best pg since magic can't even land a wcf berth? :facepalm

zeke, gp, kidd, and nash are all better and have actually lead their team somewhere.

[MJistheGOAT]

the best pg since magic can't even land a wcf berth? :facepalm

zeke, gp, kidd, and nash are all better and have actually lead their team somewhere.

Hi, I remember Stockton is part of the modern era, too.
Only clear cases over CP3 are Stock and Zeke.
Rest are debatable, IMO.

[qrich]

Toss in 11 steals as well.

13:1 Ast:To Ratio

2.2:1 Steal:To Ratio

[bballnoob1192]

This. I wonder what would happen to CP career had he been drafted by the Hawks or the Bucks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvnU7isP2OM

[bdreason]

That is pretty good. Who did this?


Honestly, there's only one player in the league capable of doing this.

[bdreason]

And I'm a huge Jason Kidd fan, but CP3 is a more complete player.

[ImKobe]

And I'm a huge Jason Kidd fan, but CP3 is a more complete player.

Jason Kidd was a winner and a leader of men. CP3 is a statpadder.

[Spurs m8]

Lets all hope this is CP3s and Hardens last good week for the season.

Will they continue to choke?

[clipps]

yet a guy who's about to miss the playoffs is ahead of him in the MVP race.

[clipps]

Jason Kidd was a winner and a leader of men. CP3 is a statpadder.

How was Kidd a winner?

[Cocaine80s]

Cp3 is getting very overrated lately


Kyrie is already better than him and its only his 4th season

[Mr Feeny]

i've never watched a game of basketball in my life. just read box-scores from news paper clippings.

you caught me. lol

Alright. Great that you've admitted it. We won't be taking you seriously anymore. Cheers

[Mr Feeny]

Wasn't that hard. A dude who uses only a made up stat to judge players has most certainly never watched a game in his life.

The guy is an idiot. Doesn't know what a double dribble is. Why bother wasting your time with someone who doesn't know the first thing about basketball and admits he watches box scores?

[JtotheIzzo]

Best PG since Magic Johnson.

I like how we throw playoffs out of the equation when it comes to CP3.

Guy has a teammate who is also top ten in the league, a game changing center, a top 5 3pt shooter, a coach everyone thinks is great, and a perpetual 6 man candidate yet cannot win in the playoffs.

We used to shit on Nash and all he did was go deeper in the playoffs and lose to juggernauts like the Spurs in epic series'.

Chris Paul is overrated, and he has been ass in the clutch more than once.

[imnew09]

How was Kidd a winner?

nigguh got a ring and a hotter wife

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[knicksman]

Dumbshit uses RAPM to evaluate players.


And if you actually watched any of the games, you would know that Wade was Miami's most impactful player BY FAR. Go read the GT's. Posters were calling Spo a retard for not putting Wade back in the game, when the offense was falling apart. Heck, he WAS the Heat's offense. It's obvious that you haven't watched a single game of basketball EVER.

once wade is done, bran is done. Thats not how batmans(if bran was the batman) are supposed to be.

[knicksman]

cp-midget has never made the finals despite playing with better players & teams.

kidd, who made b2b finals, was (at least) a top 5 impact player with the likes of kg, duncan, & shaq - better players than anyone today, aside from lebron. obviously.

LOL. youre still a kid bro. You have no idea how weak the east when kidd made it b2b. Those b2b teams couldnt even make the playoffs in the west during 2008-10 and cp3 made it top 2.

[clipps]

nigguh got a ring and a hotter wife

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

Oh, I forgot about Kidd carrying Dallas to a ring. Just like how Gary Payton carried Shaq and Wade.

[No_Look604]

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1930999/jason-kidd-reaction.gif

:applause: :applause: :bowdown: :bowdown:

ISH is on a roll tonight!! Those Westbrook photoshops then I see this :rockon:

Jason Kidd is one of my favorite players all-time.

Kidd >>>> Nash all day and I'm Canadian.

[Young X]

80 assists and 7 turnovers in the last 7.

[FKAri]

Kidd >>>> Nash all day and I'm Canadian.

Nah. It's even. Kidd played in the little leagues (early 2000's East). If Kidd shot like he did towards the end of his career in his prime, he'd be better.

Surprised how barely anyone brought up Stockton, zeke or GP. Probably all better than Nash/Kidd who played in a guard friendly era.

[qrich]

80 assists and 7 turnovers in the last 7.

:bowdown:

Over a 11:1 ratio.