Is Westbrook out of the top 5 since he can't lead a team to the playoffs?

[k0kakw0rld]

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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:oldlol:

Bron/Curry/Harden/CP3/Davis are ALL better than Westbrook, in my opinion. So yeah. Probably.

[navy]

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[imdaman99]

If he played a whole season, OKC makes the playoffs as 6th seed at worst.

He got dealt a bad start in a tough conference. If they were .500 without him, I'd give this thread a legit answer but OP is dumb troll anyway.

[ninephive]

It's not just that. He makes his team worse, especially when he takes so many shots away from Durant. Give me Parker over him 7 days a week. He would never make it in Pop's system.

[LoneyROY7]

Alright OP, I'll give you credit on this one. :oldlol:

[imdaman99]

It's not just that. He makes his team worse, especially when he takes so many shots away from Durant. Give me Parker over him 7 days a week. He would never make it in Pop's system.
He took too many shots away from Durant today, I agree. Out of those 43 shots, he should have passed to Durant for half of them. Can't believe this fool Westbrook, Durant took 0 shots today. Westbrook such a hog :facepalm

[Genaro]

38-27 with him on the floor this would give them 47 wins in 82 it would be enough to get in the playoffs even without Ibaka and Durant for a lot of games.

[L.A.Showtime]

His MVP ranking will def take a bump due to missing the playoffs.

Probably:
1. Curry
2. Harden
3. James
4. Davis
5. Westbrook

Davis and Westbrook will be decided by who is in the playoffs.

[Milbuck]

It's not just that. He makes his team worse, especially when he takes so many shots away from Durant. Give me Parker over him 7 days a week. He would never make it in Pop's system.
Westbrook SHITS on Parker. It's not even close.

[LoneyROY7]

It's not just that. He makes his team worse, especially when he takes so many shots away from Durant. Give me Parker over him 7 days a week. He would never make it in Pop's system.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Absolutely asinine comment. Pop would salivate at the opportunity to coach Westbrook.

[Young X]

It's not just that. He makes his team worse, especially when he takes so many shots away from Durant. Give me Parker over him 7 days a week. He would never make it in Pop's system.Impact and numbers wise Parker's been one of the worst starting PG's in the league. Westbrook >>>> Parker.

[navy]

It's not just that. He makes his team worse, especially when he takes so many shots away from Durant. Give me Parker over him 7 days a week. He would never make it in Pop's system.
:biggums:

[Graviton]

Pop's system needs Parker so much that he can sit on the bench and they can still beat playoff teams with little effort. :lol

[L.A.Showtime]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Absolutely asinine comment. Pop would salivate at the opportunity to coach Westbrook.

Agreed.

[Matty2Cool]

It's not just that. He makes his team worse, especially when he takes so many shots away from Durant. Give me Parker over him 7 days a week. He would never make it in Pop's system.

Um Please don't tell me you're talking about current Parker. Parker has been horrible, scared to drive to the rack and make some contact. Always dishing out to covered dudes, sometimes getting picked. He's still injured and playing scared. Honestly I'd start CoJo over Parker in the playoffs. I mean shit I can't even remember last time I saw Parker at the damn line.

[k0kakw0rld]

Alright OP, I'll give you credit on this one. :oldlol:
Wow, you out of everybody. I'm impressed :applause:

[Legends66NBA7]

Obviously not.

[KNOW1EDGE]

When was Westbrook ever a top 5 player?

[StrongLurk]

Westbrook is a top 5 player without a doubt. Only guys ahead of him for sure are Lebron, Durant and Davis.

[jayfan]

When was Westbrook ever a top 5 player?

That's what I was wondering.





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[Leroy Jetson]

Impact and numbers wise Parker's been one of the worst starting PG's in the league. Westbrook >>>> Parker.
Impact wise Parker has been part of 4 championships including a fmvp. He has been the main offensive weapon for many, many playoff and finals games. How many rings does Westbrook (who has been on the league's most talented team for years) have?

[KNOW1EDGE]

Personally I wouldn't take Westbrook over and of the following players:

LeBron
KD
CP3
Curry
Harden
Lillard
LMA
DeMarcus Cousins
Anthony Davis
healthy Paul George

[LoneyROY7]

Personally I wouldn't take Westbrook over and of the following players:

LeBron
KD
CP3
Curry
Harden
Lillard
LMA
DeMarcus Cousins
Anthony Davis
healthy Paul George

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Portland homer gonna homer.

[KNOW1EDGE]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Portland homer gonna homer.

What about the other 8 guys I mentioned? Lol

Don't get butt-hurt over my opinion, like I said, that's my preference.

[Graviton]

What about the other 8 guys I mentioned? Lol

Don't get butt-hurt over my opinion, like I said, that's my preference.
Ask yourself "What has X done in the playoffs?" compared to Westbrook. You will see only ones with a legit argument over him are Lebron/Durant. Maybe Curry/CP3.

Taking Harden is laughable. Paul ****ing George lol. Cousins even bigger lol. Davis...not yet.

What's funny is if Durant and Ibaka were healthy OKC would be looking at another deep playoff run and a possible championship. But because Westbrook is playing with Dion Waiters as his 2nd option he is "Not even Top 5" even though he still dominates and has a huge impact. I guess he is supposed to single handedly beat teams with that roster. Is that how high the standard is for him?

[KNOW1EDGE]

Again, it is my personal opinion and preference, which I am entitled to.

feel free to disagree with me and explain why you feel otherwise. It won't hurt my feelings.

Please don't let my opinion hurt your feelings or offend you.

[Graviton]

Again, it is my personal opinion and preference, which I am entitled to.

feel free to disagree with me and explain why you feel otherwise. It won't hurt my feelings.

Please don't let my opinion hurt your feelings or offend you.
You can have your opinion, I'm stating facts. Objectively speaking, taking into account raw numbers, advanced stats, postseason success, the word of GMs/coaches and recent playoff series, only Lebron and Durant have performed as well as Westbrook in the last couple seasons.

An opinion isn't gonna hurt anyone's feelings when it isn't grounded in reality.

[Legends66NBA7]

When was Westbrook ever a top 5 player?

The last 4 seasons (including this one) all have good arguments.

[KNOW1EDGE]

What facts have you provided In this thread Gravitron? None.

And how is my opinion not based in reality? It's an opinion. You act as if I'm out of touch with reality because I prefer other players over Westbrook. It's an opinion, a preference, it can't be "wrong"

The title of this thread is literally asking posters for their opinion. I shared mine. Share yours and keep it moving don't get butt-hurt that someone may feel othwrwise.

[Graviton]

What facts have you provided gravitron? none on this page. But rather your opinion.

And how is my opinion not based in reality? It's an opinion. You act as if I'm out of touch with reality because I prefer other players over Westbrook. It's an opinion, a preference, it can't be "wrong"
I think Hitler was a great person, it's an opinion, it can't be "wrong".

As for facts, Westbrook is 1st in scoring, 4th in assists, 2nd in steals, 2nd in PER, leading all GUARDS in rebounds, Top 3 in ORPM. He is responsible for more points created than any other player in the league. He does everything out there. When you take into account all that along with OKC's record with Westbrook in such a tough Western Conference with his best and 3rd best player missing so much time, how can you argue he is not a Top 5 player? He has the worst current roster and coach out of all the top players as well, he is working with the least talent.



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[Joyner82reload]

38-27 with him on the floor this would give them 47 wins in 82 it would be enough to get in the playoffs even without Ibaka and Durant for a lot of games.

Actually, you're wrong. They went 21-7 with Durant in the lineup, which is partially included in Westbrook's record.

[3ball]

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Why MJ never missed the playoffs:


.................................................. . Westbrook....... Jordan

elite primary ballhandler ability.................[x]..............[x]

great defender........................................[ ]..............[x]

post game..............................................[ ]..............[x]

off-ball game..........................................[ ]..............[x]

mid-range game......................................[ ]..............[x]

great decision-maker/low TO's...................[ ]..............[x]

great shooter..........................................[ ]..............[x]

no-wait-time offensive moves....................[ ]..............[x]
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[navy]

Michael Jordan made the playoffs with records of
38-44
30-52
40-42

Get that bullshit out of here.

[3ball]

Michael Jordan made the playoffs with records of
38-44
30-52
40-42

Get that bullshit out of here.
exactly - it's a testament to the parity in the league back then - most of the good talent wasn't all congregated in one conference like it is now in the Western Conference where everyone has a great record while the East sucks

[Beastmode88]

why the fcuk is 3ball mentioning jordan in a goatbrook thread. :biggums:

[navy]

exactly - it's a testament to the parity in the league back then - most of the good talent wasn't all congregated in one conference like it is now in the Western Conference.
30-52 wouldnt even be good enough to make the playoffs in the current eastern conference. :roll:

[3ball]

30-52 wouldnt even be good enough to make the playoffs in the current eastern conference. :roll:


Making the playoffs is all about doing well enough relative to the other teams to make the playoffs..

Jordan always did, while Westbrook couldn't this year and is now lottery... and it's because of this:


.................................................. . Westbrook....... Jordan

elite primary ballhandler ability.................[x]..............[x]

great defender........................................[ ]..............[x]

post game..............................................[ ]..............[x]

off-ball game..........................................[ ]..............[x]

mid-range game......................................[ ]..............[x]

great decision-maker/low TO's...................[ ]..............[x]

great shooter..........................................[ ]..............[x]

no-wait-time offensive moves....................[ ]..............[x]

[qrich]

Personally I wouldn't take Westbrook over and of the following players:

LeBron
KD
CP3
Curry
Harden
Lillard
LMA
DeMarcus Cousins
Anthony Davis
healthy Paul George

Lillard? Yeah, no.

How can you also have Aldridge but no Blake when Blake's superior?

Cousins? Not yet. Healthy Paul George is irrelevant as he isn't healthy.

[greatest-ever]

It doesn't change his ranking for me. He'd still be like 4-5 for me. But if someone wants to put him 6th i wouldn't argue.

[MJistheGOAT]

Personally I wouldn't take Westbrook over and of the following players:

LeBron
KD
CP3
Curry
Harden
Lillard
LMA
DeMarcus Cousins
Anthony Davis
healthy Paul George

:biggums: :coleman: :facepalm

Only Bron, KD, Harden, Curry and maaaaybe CP3 and AD.

Rest are in the tier below.

[Genaro]

Actually, you're wrong. They went 21-7 with Durant in the lineup, which is partially included in Westbrook's record.
18-9 actually but why are you bringing KD up? Thread isn't about him.

[nathanjizzle]

With westbrook, what you see isnt really what youre getting. Yes he is a great individual performer( like melo) but his style and iq isnt the best for team winning. I think its inexcusable to go 3-7 the last ten games when you are fighting for a playoff spot.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Lillard? Yeah, no.

How can you also have Aldridge but no Blake when Blake's superior?

Cousins? Not yet. Healthy Paul George is irrelevant as he isn't healthy.

Not sure if serious?

[qrich]

Not sure if serious?

Fully serious? Aldridge grabs about 2.5 more boards, but is playing with a guy averaging 6.9 while DeAndre is grabbing just under 15. Aldridge also scores 1.5 more points, but takes 2.8 more shots to do so and shoots nearly 4% less from the field. Blake also has triple the dimes with about a half a giveaway more. Assists aren't huge when comparing fours, but Blake giving the Clippers 10 more points by passing is just huge (not accounting for any of the dimes being threes).

Not taking anything away from Aldridge and his gritty play through injuries, but Blake has just been better on the season.

[ImKobe]

basketball is a TEAM sport. Shitty coach, shitty roster, Westbrook himself been injured this year...

Honestly, his team would be the least talented in the Playoffs if he were to make it...he still had a great year individually, but his team isn't built to win, and I bet the guys aren't playing as hard as they did when there was a chance that KD would come back this season. Ever since it was announced that KD is done for the year, they have fallen off.

[Akrazotile]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Absolutely asinine comment. Pop would salivate at the opportunity to coach Westbrook.


No he wouldnt.

Have you noticed San Antonio basically never brings guys in like that?

Pop wouod yell at Westbrook when he screws up and Westbrook would yell back, it would happen every game and eventually theyd trade him.

Pop doesnt deal with dudes like that.

[k0kakw0rld]

basketball is a TEAM sport. Shitty coach, shitty roster, Westbrook himself been injured this year...

Honestly, his team would be the least talented in the Playoffs if he were to make it...he still had a great year individually, but his team isn't built to win, and I bet the guys aren't playing as hard as they did when there was a chance that KD would come back this season. Ever since it was announced that KD is done for the year, they have fallen off.
Kevin Love was also injured last year. 26/12/4 with a worse roster than Westbrook's. Missed the playoffs of course but people underrating him cause of that. Reason why I made this thread.

[jayfan]

With westbrook, what you see isnt really what youre getting. Yes he is a great individual performer( like melo) but his style and iq isnt the best for team winning. I think its inexcusable to go 3-7 the last ten games when you are fighting for a playoff spot.

Exactly. He's a freak, but not a winner.





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[k0kakw0rld]

Exactly. He's a freak, but not a winner.





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