how many NBA finals for Kobe if the Lakers were in the East since 1997

[kennethgriffin]

1997 - EC Finals
1998 - EC Finals
1999 - NBA Finals
2000 - NBA Finals
2001 - NBA Finals
2002 - NBA Finals
2003 - NBA Finals
2004 - NBA Finals ( malone healthy )
2005 - playoffs?
2006 - 5th seed
2007 - NBA Finals ( lol@ cavs making it. kobe > their entire franchise )
2008 - EC Finals
2009 - NBA Finals
2010 - NBA Finals
2011 - NBA Finals
2012 - EC Finals
2013 - EC Finals


10 nba finals

guaranteed 6 titles. but could steal one more. maybe 2 more ... who knows. more chances = higher odds

[Im so nba'd out]

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[kennethgriffin]

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Kobe Bryant playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

1997-98 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 61-21
1999-00 Phoenix Suns Record: 53-29
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 59-23
1999-00 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 50-32
2000-01 Sacramento Kings Record: 55-27
2000-01 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 56-26
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21
2001-02 New Jersey Nets Record: 52-30
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 51-31
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs Record: 57-25
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 58-24
2007-08 Denver Nuggets Record: 50-32
2007-08 Utah Jazz Record: 54-28
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs Record: 56-26
2008-09 Houston Rockets Record: 53-29
2008-09 Denver Nuggets Record: 54-28
2008-09 Orlando Magic Record: 59-23
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder Record: 50-32
2009-10 Utah Jazz Record: 53-29
2009-10 Phoenix Suns Record: 54-28
2009-10 Boston Celtics Record: 50-32


total = 24 playoff series victories, 5 championships, 7 finals



Lebron playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

2006-07 Detroit Pistons Record: 53-29
2010-11 Boston Celtics Record: 56-26
2010-11 Chicago Bulls Record: 62-20
2012-13 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2013-14 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26



total = 5 playoff series victories, 2 championships, 5 finals




nope?

[Beastmode88]

does this scenario include kobe not driving shaq out of town?

[kennethgriffin]

does this scenario include kobe not driving shaq out of town?

no it does... i based the possible playoffs in 2005 cause of how teams with shit records make the 8th seed regularly

and the lakers record in 2006 would have been the 5th seed in the east

[LoneyROY7]

OP is the most one-dimensional poster ever. No versatility.

[dubeta]

So Kobe ends up 2/10?

[kennethgriffin]

So Kobe ends up 2/10?

:lol

how? by losing to a team they beat already?



2000 - NBA Finals ( portland in NBA finals instead of WCF )
2001 - NBA Finals ( spurs in nba finals instead of WCF )
2002 - NBA Finals ( kings in nba finals instead of WCF )
2004 - NBA Finals ( wolves in nba finals instead of WCF )
2009 - NBA Finals ( nuggets in nba finals instead of WCF )
2010 - NBA Finals ( suns in nba finals instead of WCF )



like i said ... guaranteed 6 titles... and maybe more

since theyed be facing teams in the finals they already beat

and funny thing is ... kobe would have 5-6 finals mvps since those were the teams he destroyed way more than shaq

[nba_55]

In 2010, they meet the Celtics in ECF, Perkins doesn't get injured, Celtics beat them, they don't even make the finals.
In 2009, they meet Cavs before the finals, Lebron owns Kobe like he always has, he doesn't make the finals again.
Kobe would have 0 ring without Shaq if he was playing in east. :djparty

[kennethgriffin]

In 2010, they meet the Celtics in ECF, Perkins doesn't get injured, Celtics beat them, they don't even make the finals.
In 2009, they meet Cavs before the finals, Lebron owns Kobe like he always has, he doesn't make the finals again.
Kobe would have 0 ring without Shaq if he was playing in east. :djparty


so kobe shits on teams that shit on lebron and yet lebron would come out on top? sure

and the celtics defense was more than capable in 2010 without perkins. game 7 was a defensive matchup and the lakers struggled to make shots.

what boston lacked was offense that game.. and perkins wouldnt have given them anything

[ZMonkey11]

What you are telling me is in 2004, the Lakers would beat the Pistons because instead of meeting in the Finals, they meet in the ECF...

:biggums:

[nba_55]

so kobe shits on teams that shit on lebron and yet lebron would come out on top? sure

and the celtics defense was more than capable in 2010 without perkins. game 7 was a defensive matchup and the lakers struggled to make shots.

what boston lacked was offense that game.. and perkins wouldnt have given them anything

It's all about matchups. Lebron owns Kobe, it's that simple. Cavs win.
Perkins bring better rebounding, less fouling ( 2 big reasons why Lakers won + refs). Celtics win that series.

[L.A.Showtime]

Kobe would be considered GOAT.

[nba_55]

What you are telling me is in 2004, the Lakers would beat the Pistons because instead of meeting in the Finals, they meet in the ECF...

:biggums:
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: OP makes Real14 look like a genius.

[dubeta]

LOL lets be honest OP Kobe would get his ass handed to by LeBron every playoffs 05- onwards

[SouBeachTalents]

so kobe shits on teams that shit on lebron and yet lebron would come out on top? sure

and the celtics defense was more than capable in 2010 without perkins. game 7 was a defensive matchup and the lakers struggled to make shots.

what boston lacked was offense that game.. and perkins wouldnt have given them anything

He would have probably helped the Celtics not get outrebounded 53-40, including preventing some of the 23 offensive boards the Lakers would grab

[L.A.Showtime]

What you are telling me is in 2004, the Lakers would beat the Pistons because instead of meeting in the Finals, they meet in the ECF...

:biggums:

He is saying that Malone would still have been healthy if they met during the conference Finals. That part is a stupid hypothetical because we don't know what the health would look like.

[nba_55]

LOL lets be honest OP Kobe would get his ass handed to by LeBron every playoffs 05- onwards

Playing in east would actually hurt his legacy. Getting outplayed by another superstar every time they met in the playoffs would hurt his legacy a lot. Actually, even Wade would have outplayed him a few times if they met in the playoffs. Kobe was really lucky not having to face those 2 in the playoffs.

[kennethgriffin]

He is saying that Malone would still have been healthy if they met during the conference Finals. That part is a stupid hypothetical because we don't know what the health would look like.

well the lakers beat the 2 best teams ( spurs/wolves ) who had 2 mvp candidates ( duncan/garnett ) in their absolute primes with a healthy malone contributing

and the pistons barely squeeked by indiana in 7 games out the east


then malone gets hurt and the pistons put all their energy into stopping kobe and letting shaq get his. leaving payton wide open

payton shoots 14% for the series cause he never could shoot outside shots very well... shaq got his points

and kobe faced doubles/triples all series

with malone spreading the floor and opening up the paint. causing wallace to rotate. then shaq wouldnt have lost the rebounding battle and kobe might have got some clean looks

[SouBeachTalents]

well the lakers beat the 2 best teams ( spurs/wolves ) who had 2 mvp candidates ( duncan/garnett ) in their absolute primes with a healthy malone contributing

and the pistons barely squeeked by indiana in 7 games out the east


then malone gets hurt and the pistons put all their energy into stopping kobe and letting shaq get his. leaving payton wide open

payton shoots 14% for the series cause he never could shoot outside shots very well... shaq got his points

and kobe faced doubles/triples all series

with malone spreading the floor and opening up the paint. causing wallace to rotate. then shaq wouldnt have lost the rebounding battle and kobe might have got some clean looks

First two are wrong, and while it may not be his main purpose on the court, Kobe finished 11th in rebounds in the '04 Finals, so he sure as shit didn't help in that department

[kennethgriffin]

Playing in east would actually hurt his legacy. Getting outplayed by another superstar every time they met in the playoffs would hurt his legacy a lot. Actually, even Wade would have outplayed him a few times if they met in the playoffs. Kobe was really lucky not having to face those 2 in the playoffs.


yeah kobe was lucky he had to face a 50+ win team every single round for 10 years


meanwhile lebron skips rounds 1 and 2 and only has to get lucky in the confrence finals to luck out a finals appearance


2007 = the most obvious example


1999 = knicks? lol jesus


yeah.. kobe was lucky to play in a real confrence.. youre right. it lifted the prestige of his titles


the dropoff from the kings/spurs to the nets in the finals = lol

[nba_55]

yeah kobe was lucky he had to face a 50+ win team every single round for 10 years


meanwhile lebron skips rounds 1 and 2 and only has to get lucky in the confrence finals to luck out a finals appearance


2007 = the most obvious example


1999 = knicks? lol jesus


yeah.. kobe was lucky to play in a real confrence.. youre right. it lifted the prestige of his titles


the dropoff from the kings/spurs to the nets in the finals = lol

As I said, getting owned by Lebron and Wade wouldn't help his legacy and his individual accomplishments. Good for him if he had good enough stacked teams to beat those 50 wins teams. If he faced Lebron and Wade, they would simply put better h2h stats, that wouldn't look good for him.

[kennethgriffin]

First two are wrong, and while it may not be his main purpose on the court, Kobe finished 11th in rebounds in the '04 Finals, so he sure as shit didn't help in that department



6 games vs indiana lol still a clear sign of the pistons not being nearly as good as they looked in the finals.. and new jersey took them to 7 games a round before that


payton shot an amazing 32% and 20% from 3


and i wasnt saying kobe would rebound more. i'm saying malone would spread the floor and free up shaq to work more in the paint and let kobe do his thing without everyone closing in..

kobe had nobody he could kick to for a midrange jumper when driving. malone was known for that

[kennethgriffin]

As I said, getting owned by Lebron and Wade wouldn't help his legacy and his individual accomplishments. Good for him if he had good enough stacked teams to beat those 50 wins teams. If he faced Lebron and Wade, they would simply put better h2h stats, that wouldn't look good for him.


what makes you think lebron and wade would own kobe?

every time kobes ever actually made it a personal mission to embarrass those 2 hes locked their ass's up so tight they wouldnt be able to squeak a fart if their life depended on it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTITRJp2bhI


regular season wins dont say much.. kobe won more games vs jordan in his career from 1996 to 2003

:confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

6 games vs indiana lol still a clear sign of the pistons not being nearly as good as they looked in the finals.. and new jersey took them to 7 games a round before that


payton shot an amazing 32% and 20% from 3


and i wasnt saying kobe would rebound more. i'm saying malone would spread the floor and free up shaq to work more in the paint and let kobe do his thing without everyone closing in..

kobe had nobody he could kick to for a midrange jumper when driving. malone was known for that

And Kobe shot an amazing 38% and 17% from 3

[dubeta]

6 games vs indiana lol still a clear sign of the pistons not being nearly as good as they looked in the finals.. and new jersey took them to 7 games a round before that


payton shot an amazing 32% and 20% from 3


and i wasnt saying kobe would rebound more. i'm saying malone would spread the floor and free up shaq to work more in the paint and let kobe do his thing without everyone closing in..

kobe had nobody he could kick to for a midrange jumper when driving. malone was known for that

Why does Kobe have to turn Malone into a spot-up shooter? Just let malone play his game.

[Deuce Bigalow]

1999 lost to champion spurs, possible finals
2000 champs
2001 champs
2002 champs
2003 lost to champion spurs, possible finals
2004 no finals since pistons are east team
2005 no
2006 no
2007 good shot
2008 no finals since celtics are east team
2009 champs
2010 champs
2011 lost to champs, possible finals
2012 no finals since heat beat team Lakers lost to
2013 no he was out for the playoffs

8 or 9 possibly

[nba_55]

And Kobe shot an amazing 38% and 17% from 3
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

And Kobe shot an amazing 38% and 17% from 3

which would never have happened with one more legendary scorer to spread the floor

[zizozain]

OP

how many playoffs MVP's* for kobe? 7?

* best player in each confrence leadinig his team to the Finals

[aj1987]

1997 - ECF
1998 - ECF (Shaq)
1999 - NBA Finals (Shaq with FMVP)
2000 - NBA Finals (Shaq with FMVP)
2001 - NBA Finals (Shaq with FMVP)
2002 - NBA Finals (Shaq with FMVP)
2003 - NBA Finals (Shaq with FMVP)
2004 - NBA Finals (Shaq with FMVP if Kobe doesn't turn into Chuckbe)
2005 - Miss the PO's
2006 - Get rekt in the PO's
2007 - Get rekt in the PO's vs LeBron
2008 - EC Finals
2009 - ECSF
2010 - ECSF
2011 - Get rekt by the Heat
2012 - 2nd round
2013 - 1st round


6 nba finals

guaranteed 5 titles. but could steal one more. maybe 2 more ... who knows. more chances = higher odds
FTFY.

They win 5 in a row. 6 is Kobe doesn't chuck them out of the Finals. Shaq would've ended up with 6 rings and 6 FMVP's. Kobe with 6 rings and 0 FMVP's.

[kennethgriffin]

FTFY.

They win 5 in a row. 6 is Kobe doesn't chuck them out of the Finals. Shaq would've ended up with 6 rings and 6 FMVP's. Kobe with 6 rings and 0 FMVP's.


Lol delusional

Kobe was the mvp vs teams like sanantonio and sacramento

The lakers play them in the finals instead of a crap east team they can roll over while shaq just hogs all the shots

[Jameerthefear]

Less. They actually play defense in the East. Sorry Bean.

[aj1987]

Lol delusional

Kobe was the mvp vs teams like sanantonio and sacramento

The lakers play them in the finals instead of a crap east team they can roll over while shaq just hogs all the shots
:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Kobe almost always took more shots than Shaq, who was more efficient than Mr. Chuckbe.

What I said stands though.

[34-24 Footwork]

Damn....you know Kobe is good when people compare his shooting percentage to the MOST DOMINANT center of all time. I think haters are too stupid to realize that they're giving him credit. Lol.

[7secondsorless]

If the Sac Kings were in the ECF since 1997, they'd prob have 3 finals appearances, the Blazers 2, Spurs...10?, Dallas 4, Suns 4, etc. (Obv not if they were all on the East, if only 1 of these teams were transplanted to the lesser conference.)

Actually, thinking more carefully, Spurs might have given Russell's Celtics a run for their money if the team was in the East.

[kennethgriffin]

If the Sac Kings were in the ECF since 1997, they'd prob have 3 finals appearances, the Blazers 2, Spurs...10?, Dallas 4, Suns 4, etc. (Obv not if they were all on the East, if only 1 of these teams were transplanted to the lesser conference.)

Actually, thinking more carefully, Spurs might have given Russell's Celtics a run for their money if the team was in the East.

i'd agree with you had joe bryant and his wife never had kids

[7secondsorless]

The nut that changed the landscape of the NBA.

[Magic 32]

Clearly he would miss the playoffs every year.

No way Kobe would join the Mount Rushmore of 21st century EC greats...

http://s29.postimg.org/a8mi6c26v/Mountrushmore.jpg

All of these players are better than Kobe because they made it to the NBA finals without another All-star talent.

Kobe could only dream of such greatness.

[dubeta]

Clearly he would miss the playoffs every year.

No way Kobe would join the Mount Rushmore of Eastern Conference greats...

http://s29.postimg.org/a8mi6c26v/Mountrushmore.jpg

All of these players are better than Kobe because they made it to the NBA finals without another All-star talent.

Kobe could only dream of such greatness.

We dont have those type of expectations of Kobe, ours is much more modest.


Just making it past the 1st round without another all-star talent is all we ask of him.

[kennethgriffin]

Clearly he would miss the playoffs every year.

No way Kobe would join the Mount Rushmore of 21st century EC greats...

http://s29.postimg.org/a8mi6c26v/Mountrushmore.jpg

All of these players are better than Kobe because they made it to the NBA finals without another All-star talent.

Kobe could only dream of such greatness.


kobe made it to the finals in 2008 without another allstar


fail lol

:lol

[Element]

It's all about matchups. Lebron owns Kobe, it's that simple. Cavs win.
Perkins bring better rebounding, less fouling ( 2 big reasons why Lakers won + refs). Celtics win that series.

Let's ignore that Sheed Wallace, who replaced Perkins, made a clutch ass 3 and scored 11 points on way above average efficiency for that game.

Will Perkins replace that too?

[Magic 32]

We dont have those type of expectations of Kobe, ours is much more modest.


Just making it past the 1st round without another all-star talent is all we ask of him.

True. Clearly Jason Kidd is better than Kobe beacuse of this.

You are so right. It has nothing to do with the disparity between east and west.

[Magic 32]

kobe made it to the finals in 2008 without another allstar


fail lol

:lol

All-star talent.

[Showtime2001]

kobe made it to the finals in 2008 without another allstar


fail lol

:lol
http://i.imgur.com/jnIRkOZ.gif

[G0ATbe]

I don't see what would keep him from heading to the finals every single year from 1997-present as long as Kobe isn't out with injury. Wouldn't be fair for the rest of the conference if a guy capable of outscoring entire WEST teams by himself resided out east.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I don't see what would keep him from heading to the finals every single year from 1997-present as long as Kobe isn't out with injury. Wouldn't be fair for the rest of the conference if a guy capable of outscoring entire WEST teams by himself resided out east.

How many times did he outscore an entire Western Conference team? Link please.

[G0ATbe]

How many times did he outscore an entire Western Conference team? Link please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stu1w9QhlNA
GOAT gonna GOAT:applause: .

[34-24 Footwork]

You can REALLY tell who only started watching basketball in the late 2000's. Kobe is crazy good because even the haters can't keep up with all of his scoring performances. 62 Points in 3 qts was the best scoring performance of all time.