What would another Finals loss do to Lebrons legacy?

[JohnMax]

http://i.imgur.com/79c7dOg.png

[BasedTom]

Thanks TMZ

[plowking]

He'd move up into the number 1 spot all time.

[7secondsorless]

Add consistency.

[Cocaine80s]

http://i.imgur.co m/79c7dOg.png
Did this nikka TMZ just paste a white background as his post? :biggums:

[LEFT4DEAD]

5 finals in 5 years. wonder if he would make it every year if he had somewhat good teammates from beggining of his career.

and yeah, making the finals > losing in early rounds

[34-24 Footwork]

It wouldnt affect him at all. They would just blame it on any combination of excuses below:

a) Kyrie plays no defense
b) Kyrie doesn't pass
c) Kevin Love is awful
d) Kevin Love plays no defense
e) Opposing team who they lost to is one of the GREATEST TEAMS OF ALL TIME
f) Bad coaching.

Bonus:

a) Kyrie is old and washed up.
b) K Love is white.

I'm missing some, I know.

[AintNoSunshine]

Nothing, but 5 straight trips to the Finals will undoubtedly put him in the Top 5.

[VengefulAngel]

It wouldnt affect him at all. They would just blame it on any combination of excuses below:

a) Kyrie plays no defense
b) Kyrie doesn't pass
c) Kevin Love is awful
d) Kevin Love plays no defense
e) Opposing team who they lost to is one of the GREATEST TEAMS OF ALL TIME
f) Bad coaching.

Bonus:

a) Kyrie is old and washed up.
b) K Love is white.

I'm missing some, I know.

Pretty much covered everything.

[7secondsorless]

Mosgov dark horse candidate for scapegoat IMO.

[Genaro]

It wouldnt affect him at all. They would just blame it on any combination of excuses below:

a) Kyrie plays no defense
b) Kyrie doesn't pass
c) Kevin Love is awful
d) Kevin Love plays no defense
e) Opposing team who they lost to is one of the GREATEST TEAMS OF ALL TIME
f) Bad coaching.

Bonus:

a) Kyrie is old and washed up.
b) K Love is white.

I'm missing some, I know.
This. Love and Kyrie have no playoffs experience and Blatt is a rookie coach would be mentioned as well.

[BigTicket]

This recent idea that getting to the finals is a bad thing is utterly moronic.

Losing in the finals is obviously better than losing before the finals, so getting there would enhance Lebron's legacy, not hurt it.

[coin24]

2/6 has a nice ring to it..

[MP.Trey]

Help it, just like making the finals would help anybody's legacy in the history of the game.

[ThePhantomCreep]

The idea that he moves UP with another loss is comical.

[MP.Trey]

The idea that he moves UP with another loss is comical.
Name one player in the history of the game who's legacy benefited more from missing playoffs or an early exit rather than winning three playoff series and losing the fourth?

[poido123]

He'd move up into the number 1 spot all time.




:mad:

[pauk]

It would add yet another Finals appearance and more stat totals.... :confusedshrug:

Surely that is better than losing earlier or even missing playoffs and less stat totals... :confusedshrug:

[Magic 32]

and yeah, making the finals > losing in early rounds

Not if you're suppose to win it all.

2011 = worse than any first round loss outside of Warriors/Mavs

2013 = Should have been the same situation.

[IMObjective]

Shouldn't affect it one way or another. Seems like par for the course, build super team, steam roll through the weak east, face real competition in a somewhat banged up western team that just finished surviving the grindhouse known as the western conference playoffs.

If he loses, he accomplished what was expected of him (he is undeniably a great player after all, alltime great even), if he wins a ring and fmvp, sure, bump him up a little bit.

Edit: I do hope teams like the Bulls or Hawks give them some real competition this year.

Edit2: seeing the other posts reminds me, if he pulls a 2011, that will hurt his legacy.

[Magic 32]

Surely that is better than losing earlier or even missing playoffs and less stat totals... :confusedshrug:

Not in the east.

[pauk]

Not in the east.

It is more prestigious to miss the playoffs or lose early IN THE EAST?

Than it is to beat the 2nd best team in the NBA (Atlanta) in ECF and then lose to the best team in the NBA from the West?

:roll:

[Magic 32]

It is more prestigious to miss the playoffs or lose early IN THE EAST?

Than it is to beat the 2nd best team in the NBA (Atlanta) in ECF and then lose to the best team in the NBA from the West?

:roll:

No, there is nothing special about making it to the playoffs in the east.

If Boston can make the playoffs than making the playoffs has no legacy enhancing value.....at all.

Do I care that Jason kidd made it to back to back finals?

Absolutely not. I give him more credit for making the second round in the west back in 2000.

If you beat the 2004-06 Pistons, the 2008-10 Celtics, or the 2011-14+05-06 Heat, then you have done something noteworthy.

Any other activity in the eastern conference in the last 17 years is meaningless to me.

[retaxis]

At the end of the day people only care about how far you go and making the finals is an achievement big time achievement. Charles Barkley made the finals once, Reggie Miller made the finals once and that was big time achievement. To make it five times in a row regardless of circumstances is a massive achievement. I think it will be a very tough road to the finals but playing the Hawks (who play west style) will help them practice for the Finals (if they make it). Last year they played grit and grind pacers and were totally not ready for the run and gun style of the Spurs but we all know Hawks play run and gun so if Cavs beat the Hawks they are about as ready for the finals as they can.

Regardless we are sitting here debating about making it to the finals. None of us ever made it to the NBA so we should be real men and not act like finals is a bad achievement because real people will just think of u like :coleman: and go "And you do...?"

[pauk]

No, there is nothing special about making it to the playoffs in the east.

YES!? I agree!? Thats exactly what i am saying aswell?? So... how can that be more prestigious to miss the playoffs there or even lose in 1st round? You are confusing me.... what were we talking about again?

Lets see here...

You said "NOT IN THE EAST" to a post that says its certainly better to win against the 2nd best team in the NBA (Atlanta) & get to the Finals, lose there... than it is to lose in 1st round or even miss the playoffs in the god damn EAST.... Meaning you think its not better, meaning you think its better to lose in the east early or even miss the playoffs........ that would be ***ing embarrassing for Lebron, are you kidding me??


If Boston can make the playoffs than making the playoffs has no legacy enhancing value.....at all.

He is not beating freakin Boston / the bottom feeders to get to the Finals, he will beat those teams in the east or in the west there in 1st round, it doesnt matter, its the Semi-Finals & then Conference Finals that gets you into the Finals.... thats where he will have to beat Atlanta which unfortunately for you is the 2nd best team in the NBA..... and before them in Semi-Finals he will have to beat Toronto/Chicago which at their full health would/could of had one of the best team records in the NBA so far... unfortunately for you....

With that being said, as you can see yes EAST is weak in the regular season, but those teams are weeded out in the playoffs.... in the playoffs its a whole other story, except for the 1st round, the Semi-Finals and Conference Finals are comparable or could be even arguably better / more competitive matchups than in WCSF / WCF....

[Asukal]

2/6 has a nice ring to it..

Dem precious bran stan tears. 2/6 definitely has a nice ring to it. :applause:

[LEFT4DEAD]

Not if you're suppose to win it all.

2011 = worse than any first round loss outside of Warriors/Mavs

2013 = Should have been the same situation.
This is a very retarded post.
And what does "should have been" even mean??? A hundred times playoffs series were decided with some clutch three (2-3 times just to your boys Kobes Lakers).
LoL at "should have been" :wtf:

[Dresta]

This recent idea that getting to the finals is a bad thing is utterly moronic.

Losing in the finals is obviously better than losing before the finals, so getting there would enhance Lebron's legacy, not hurt it.
It is, but routinely going AWOL in the finals should be a detriment to anyone's legacy, win or lose.

[Blue&Orange]

YES!? I agree!? Thats exactly what i am saying aswell?? So... how can that be more prestigious to miss the playoffs there or even lose in 1st round? You are confusing me.... what were we talking about again?

Well dumbshit, he is trying to explain to you that losing in the finals AGAIN would hurt lebron legacy, which it's obvious, unlike what you think that would enhanced it just because he didn't lost in the 1st round :roll:


Was this explanation satisfactory? Should i go get the crayons?

[beastee]

Have to change his nickname to Lord James...since that vassal system only bringing in 33%.

[retaxis]

Well dumbshit, he is trying to explain to you that losing in the finals AGAIN would hurt lebron legacy, which it's obvious, unlike what you think that would enhanced it just because he didn't lost in the 1st round :roll:


Was this explanation satisfactory? Should i go get the crayons?
So your saying if he loses early it would be better for him then to lose late?

Like If I was say came 2nd in Wimbledon and only collected 1mil dollars it would technically be better if I only made it to the quarter finals and collected 50k?

Like If I won a silver medal in the olympics it would be better than if I only made the heats and dropped out?

So I am trying to find out this 'obvious' thing is because it sounds like someone messed your head up pretty bad when you were young and now you probably have a very distorted outlook on life. Is life too tough for you to even try so you go make excuses in your room on why everyone who is better than you 99% are just confused/suckers and that you are somehow doing better than everyone?

[Blue&Orange]

So your saying if he loses early it would be better for him then to lose late?

Like If I was say came 2nd in Wimbledon and only collected 1mil dollars it would technically be better if I only made it to the quarter finals and collected 50k?

Like If I won a silver medal in the olympics it would be better than if I only made the heats and dropped out?

So I am trying to find out this 'obvious' thing is because it sounds like someone messed your head up pretty bad when you were young and now you probably have a very distorted outlook on life. Is life too tough for you to even try so you go make excuses in your room on why everyone who is better than you 99% are just confused/suckers and that you are somehow doing better than everyone?
Dude you are hilariously dumb. Do you realize this "going to the finals it's better that losing in the 1st round" it's this new thing created by lebrontards like yourself, desperate losers clinging to anything even if it's utterly nonsense. Yes dipshit continue to come up with dumb comparisons to feed you delusion, yes winning the second prize in the lottery is better that not winning, bravo :applause:, you are so smart!!

Only lebrontards to try to find anything positive in losing in the finals.

Ask me how happy i was to see the Knicks lose two finals and how that added up to the Knicks legacy. :lol


The only thing more embarrassing than Lebron is their fans. lol silver medal

[sportjames23]

5 finals in 5 years. wonder if he would make it every year if he had somewhat good teammates from beggining of his career.

and yeah, making the finals > losing in early rounds


But 6/6 >>>> 2/5

And 5/7 >>>> 2/5

[ThePhantomCreep]

Who enhanced their legacy more?

Bernard King 1984?
MJ in 1989?
Reggie Miller 1994?

Or...

LeBron 2011?

LeBron stans think the answer is LeBron because "at least he got to the finals!". :facepalm

[coin24]

Pauk so mad right now:lol

He's bracing himself for that 2/6.. It's going to be marvellous:cheers:

[christian1923]

It wouldnt affect him at all. They would just blame it on any combination of excuses below:

a) Kyrie plays no defense
b) Kyrie doesn't pass
c) Kevin Love is awful
d) Kevin Love plays no defense
e) Opposing team who they lost to is one of the GREATEST TEAMS OF ALL TIME
f) Bad coaching.

Bonus:

a) Kyrie is old and washed up.
b) K Love is white.

I'm missing some, I know.
Air Conditioning.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

It depends on if you're favored to win/have HCA for me. If you're favored/have HC and lose, it's a negative. If you're the underdog/don't have HC and win, it's a positive.

:confusedshrug:

[BigTicket]

It depends on if you're favored to win/have HCA for me. If you're favored/have HC and lose, it's a negative. If you're the underdog/don't have HC and win, it's a positive.

:confusedshrug:

Winning is a positive even if you were favored.

For example, if GS wins a title that is obviously a huge boost for Curry.

[greatest-ever]

I don't really view legacies by finals record. Ill give him credit just for having a good playoffs and making it there. Now say if he gets to the finals and has a poor showing then id have to raise an eyebrow for sure. As i said already, to me a player can only add to their legacy not subtract from it, and fwiw i have lebron 7-8 on my goat list right now. If he wins the title this year he'd most likely crack my top 5. If he doesnt then he'd likely stay at the spots he's at.

[DonDadda59]

The cool kids would start calling him 'His majesty King Jerry West the Second'.

[Hey Yo]

No, there is nothing special about making it to the playoffs in the east.

If Boston can make the playoffs than making the playoffs has no legacy enhancing value.....at all.

Do I care that Jason kidd made it to back to back finals?

Absolutely not. I give him more credit for making the second round in the west back in 2000.

If you beat the 2004-06 Pistons, the 2008-10 Celtics, or the 2011-14+05-06 Heat, then you have done something noteworthy.

Any other activity in the eastern conference in the last 17 years is meaningless to me.
Just like there was nothing special about making the WC playoffs in the 80's?

It was a constant, every season, that there were at least 3 teams with losing records in the WC playoffs. Also add that the Pacific division (LAL division) was complete shit for many years during the 80's.

If the Lakers didn't beat ________ ummmmmmmm???? Wow, there were no WC teams inn the 80's like you mentioned in your post I quoted.

You use Magic as your s/n which surely means you give him credit for the garbage LA beat up on in route to the Finals year after year.

In 1987, the Lakers beat 3 teams (first round best of 5) with a combined record of 118-128 to get to the Finals. When a LeBron James led team has it THAT easy, then you can spew your hypocritcal bullshit.

[Derka]

5 straight trips to the Finals moves him up if anything.

[IGOTGAME]

This recent idea that getting to the finals is a bad thing is utterly moronic.

Losing in the finals is obviously better than losing before the finals, so getting there would enhance Lebron's legacy, not hurt it.
In the shitty east its a given. Cavs have the 3 best players on the floor in almost every series

[34-24 Footwork]

........But at least he shot 60%


^^Bran Stans





While getting abused on National Television on the other end of the floor by a second year player who won MVP. Lol. Didn't Leonard shoot like 63% from the field in the last three games?

[G0ATbe]

I could see any of the current stars(Durant,Harden,Curry) winning a ring and thus, leapfrogging LeBald all time to most knowledgeable basketball fans if they haven't already.

ESPN might finally hop off his dick, 1.5*/6 is too laughable to defend anymore.

Basically, LeBald should be a laughing stock if he's not already. No better than a guy who didn't win anything and in my opinion even worse. Refs/Ray won those rings*.

[FLDFSU]

You know what's funny. The same people now talking about how weak the East is was just yesterday talking about how if the Heat misses the playoffs on the East it is not that big of a deal because who could expect a team to make the playoffs with all the injuries we have had.

So on one hand the strength of conference is immaterial, but when discussing Lebron, all of a sudden, strength of conference makes all the difference...

:rolleyes:

[sportjames23]

I could see any of the current stars(Durant,Harden,Curry) winning a ring and thus, leapfrogging LeBald all time to most knowledgeable basketball fans if they haven't already.

ESPN might finally hop off his dick, 1.5*/6 is too laughable to defend anymore.

Basically, LeBald should be a laughing stock if he's not already. No better than a guy who didn't win anything and in my opinion even worse. Refs/Ray won those rings*.


ESPN will never stop riding Lebron's dick. They still ride Peyton Manning and he comes up short in the playoffs EVERY year.

[mehyaM24]

You know what's funny. The same people now talking about how weak the East is was just yesterday talking about how if the Heat misses the playoffs on the East it is not that big of a deal because who could expect a team to make the playoffs with all the injuries we have had.

So on one hand the strength of conference is immaterial, but when discussing Lebron, all of a sudden, strength of conference makes all the difference...

:rolleyes:
this.

as for OP - not much of anything considering lebron, regardless of team success, is one of the greatest playoff performers of all-time.

impact, efficiency & raw stats have him as one of the GOATS in that regard. :pimp:

[Rose'sACL]

ESPN will never stop riding Lebron's dick. They still ride Peyton Manning and he comes up short in the playoffs EVERY year.
a jordan stan is mad that media loves an athlete too much. such irony.
they should do it more this season given that miami is missing the playoffs when injury riddled and young teams like nets, celtics and pacers are in playoffs or close to it. these teams don't even have any player of wade's class playing 60+ games plus bosh playing 40+ games. From finals to no playoffs is a big drop off.

[k0kakw0rld]

http://i.imgur.com/79c7dOg.png
already top 10 so nothing.

[Magic 32]

Just like there was nothing special about making the WC playoffs in the 80's?


That's right. What Magic did against Boston and the Bad Boys Pistons, what he did at age 20 in the finals, and what he did with the 1990-91 roster is the reason he's great.

Not beating Denver, Mavs and Utah in 87 and 88.

[COnDEMnED]

Air Conditioning.
Phantom Elbow

[sportjames23]

a jordan stan is mad that media loves an athlete too much. such irony.
they should do it more this season given that miami is missing the playoffs when injury riddled and young teams like nets, celtics and pacers are in playoffs or close to it. these teams don't even have any player of wade's class playing 60+ games plus bosh playing 40+ games. From finals to no playoffs is a big drop off.


At least MJ EARNED the love he got by living up to the hype, coming through in the clutch and winning.

[COnDEMnED]

It wouldnt affect him at all. They would just blame it on any combination of excuses below:

a) Kyrie plays no defense
b) Kyrie doesn't pass
c) Kevin Love is awful
d) Kevin Love plays no defense
e) Opposing team who they lost to is one of the GREATEST TEAMS OF ALL TIME
f) Bad coaching.

Bonus:

a) Kyrie is old and washed up.
b) K Love is white.

I'm missing some, I know.
Mr. Whammy

I'll just leave this right here..http://deadspin.com/mr-whammy-says-lebron-complained-to-nba-security-about-1694253040

[greatest-ever]

I could see any of the current stars(Durant,Harden,Curry) winning a ring and thus, leapfrogging LeBald all time to most knowledgeable basketball fans if they haven't already.

ESPN might finally hop off his dick, 1.5*/6 is too laughable to defend anymore.

Basically, LeBald should be a laughing stock if he's not already. No better than a guy who didn't win anything and in my opinion even worse. Refs/Ray won those rings*.
This is a troll post if i've ever seen one. Lebron has a legacy that those guys can only dream of having.

[kennethgriffin]

2 for 6


damn

in order for lebron to beat kobes win% in the finals after that. ( 71.4% )

lebron would need to win the next 9 nba championships and go to 15 straight nba finals

2 for 6 = 33.3%
3 for 7 = 42.7%
4 for 8 = 50.0%
5 for 9 = 55.5%
6 for 10 = 60.0%
7 for 11 = 63.6%
8 for 12 = 66.6%
9 for 13 = 69.2%
10 for 14 = 71.4%
11 for 15 = 73.3%


:roll:



granted.. if he did this he would still move ahead all time. but if he wins 5 and loses 4 finals. he'l need atleast a 6th ring to make up for it

[Rose'sACL]

At least MJ EARNED the love he got by living up to the hype, coming through in the clutch and winning.
lebron has done that the most among current star players. should espn keep talking about jordan, magic and bird? i am sure that if kobe was in his prime, he would get the love or if duncan's game was more flashy.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Just like there was nothing special about making the WC playoffs in the 80's?

It was a constant, every season, that there were at least 3 teams with losing records in the WC playoffs. Also add that the Pacific division (LAL division) was complete shit for many years during the 80's.

If the Lakers didn't beat ________ ummmmmmmm???? Wow, there were no WC teams inn the 80's like you mentioned in your post I quoted.

You use Magic as your s/n which surely means you give him credit for the garbage LA beat up on in route to the Finals year after year.

In 1987, the Lakers beat 3 teams (first round best of 5) with a combined record of 118-128 to get to the Finals. When a LeBron James led team has it THAT easy, then you can spew your hypocritcal bullshit.

You're making our point--the 80's Lakers rarely get credit for winning their conference because it's generally accepted that it wasn't very strong most years. They get credit for finishing 2-1 vs the Sixers and Celtics in the Finals, two legitimately great teams from that era.

5/9 > 2/6

[ArbitraryWater]

You're making our point--the 80's Lakers rarely get credit for winning their conference because it's generally accepted that it wasn't very strong most years. They get credit for finishing 2-1 vs the Sixers and Celtics in the Finals, two legitimately great teams from that era.

5/9 > 2/6

:biggums:

Yes they do... they're called one of the best teams ever and the best team of the 1980's :biggums:

If you truly feel LeBron only made the finals due to the poor conference, then you're being pretty ****ing stupid since at the same time you're holding his finals record against the superior teams/conference against him.

Pick a side, dummie.

[Nash]

lebron makes final 6th final and Miami miss playoffs all together?

hmmmm

[mehyaM24]

:biggums:

Yes they do... they're called one of the best teams ever and the best team of the 1980's :biggums:

If you truly feel LeBron only made the finals due to the poor conference, then you're being pretty ****ing stupid since at the same time you're holding his finals record against the superior teams/conference against him.

Pick a side, dummie.
his argument isn't contradicting in any way, brah.

its just a stupid criteria to go by when we apply context. 2012 for example - the eastern teams (pacers/celtics) gave the heat more trouble in earlier rounds than okc did in the finals. you could argue ALL 3 teams were better than the thunder, tbh.

[ThePhantomCreep]

In the shitty east its a given. Cavs have the 3 best players on the floor in almost every series

Exactly. LeBron plays in a bad conference with two star players by his side. Anything less than the Finals would be an unmitigated disaster for him.

[red1]

Bumps him up to top three all time. 5 finals in a row? Wow

[Real14]

It will put him in the top 40-50 range. Maybe 60.

[mehyaM24]

It will put him in the top 40-50 range. Maybe 60.
we're not talking about melo here.

besides, 40-50 is pushing it man. melo is barely a top 60 player. :facepalm

[Real14]

we're not talking about melo here.

besides, 40-50 is pushing it man. melo is barely a top 60 player. :facepalm
Somebodys mad:oldlol: Melo should be at least top 30-40 tho.

[ThePhantomCreep]

his argument isn't contradicting in any way, brah.

its just a stupid criteria to go by when we apply context. 2012 for example - the eastern teams (pacers/celtics) gave the heat more trouble in earlier rounds than okc did in the finals. you could argue ALL 3 teams were better than the thunder, tbh.

The same way you can argue the 2014 Mavericks > 2014 Heat. The Mavs gave a Spurs far more trouble than Miami did.

I wouldn't make that argument though.

[ThePhantomCreep]

:biggums:

Yes they do... they're called one of the best teams ever and the best team of the 1980's :biggums:

If you truly feel LeBron only made the finals due to the poor conference, then you're being pretty ****ing stupid since at the same time you're holding his finals record against the superior teams/conference against him.

Pick a side, dummie.

They're considered the team of the 80's because they won 5 titles in the decade, not because they got to the Finals a bunch of times. Getting to the finals for the Showtime Lakers was the basketball equivalent of hitting par, anything less (1986) was considered a complete meltdown.

If those records against the Celtics and Sixers were reversed, if Showtime went 3-9 in the Finals instead of 5-9, you honestly think it wouldn't have had a negative impact on Magic and Kareem's legacies?

[Hey Yo]

That's right. What Magic did against Boston and the Bad Boys Pistons, what he did at age 20 in the finals, and what he did with the 1990-91 roster is the reason he's great.

Not beating Denver, Mavs and Utah in 87 and 88.
Not only just in 87 and 88, the entire decade they had no real competition to get to the Finals. The conference and mainly their division was complete and utter shit.

So don't talk about how bad the Cavs competition is considering the Lakers was worse.

plus, Magic got 37 points from Jaamal Wilkes in that game 6. It's not like he did it all himself.

[305Baller]

Another Finals loss and LeBron will be known as a career choker. A guy that can get you to the championship but fails to consistently win it. Similar to Wilt's legacy.

[Hey Yo]

Exactly. LeBron plays in a bad conference with two star players by his side. Anything less than the Finals would be an unmitigated disaster for him.
Except for the fact that Cleveland is the 2 seed and ATL won 60 games this season. Just like Miami was the 2 seed last season.

Those 2 star players have ZERO playoff experience, Love plays bad defense and Blatt barely has NBA coaching experience. You're exaggerating what the consequences would be if they didn't make the Finals.

Plus this would be LeBron's 5th straight Finals appearances (if they get there) and those legs will more than likely get fatigued sooner than later.

[COnDEMnED]

Bumps him up to top three all time. 5 finals in a row? WowIf finals appearances are what elevate players up or down the all time list nowadays, at least 38 notable players have won more championships than Lebron. Realistically, that number is probably closer to the mid 40's. I mean Wilt and Bird aren't even listed (D. Wade either). Not even counting finals appearances where said players lost, of those 38 players, 21 are current HOF'ers, 4 are future HOF'ers. Of those 25 HOF'ers, 7 are universally accepted top 10 all time players. Those players are:

Bill Russell
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Michael Jordan
Magic Johnson
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Shaquille O'Neal
Larry Bird(*)
Lebron is low man on the totem pole. Not even listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_players_with_most_championships

Edit: Updated list Here. http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/most_championships.html

Dwayne Wade's listed at number 65 of 68. Larry Bird's(*) at number 39. Wilt's not listed. Lebron still not on the list.

.....top three indeed.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Except for the fact that Cleveland is the 2 seed and ATL won 60 games this season. Just like Miami was the 2 seed last season.

Those 2 star players have ZERO playoff experience, Love plays bad defense and Blatt barely has NBA coaching experience. You're exaggerating what the consequences would be if they didn't make the Finals.

Plus this would be LeBron's 5th straight Finals appearances (if they get there) and those legs will more than likely get fatigued sooner than later.

The Cavs aren't head and shoulders better than their conference like the Heat were, but they'll still be favored to beat Atlanta and win the East. The only way LeBron avoids blame is if the Hawks go on to win the championship, or he plays extremely well and his supporting cast completely fails him.

[dubeta]

Its only fitting that a loss would put him around 2-6 all time :bowdown:

[Hey Yo]

The Cavs aren't head and shoulders better than their conference like the Heat were, but they'll still be favored to beat Atlanta and win the East. The only way LeBron avoids blame is if the Hawks go on to win the championship, or he plays extremely well and his supporting cast completely fails him.
After tonight (home against Knicks) Atlanta will probably end the season 36-5 at home. Plus they would have HCA in the ECF if the 2 teams make it that far. HCA isn't really the advantage it used to be, but the Cavs would be favored by a very slim margin or maybe just be a pick em'

[JellyBean]

For me it depends on how his team loses and how he plays. If the Cavs make the Finals and Lebron pulls a disappearing act, his legacy takes a dip in my view. But if Lebron is out there on the floor battling through cramps, giving 110% out on the floor, and fighting for each loose ball, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. But it just depends on how the team looks and what Lebron is doing on the court.

[Keno]

nothing, cause losing in the finals is better than losing in the first round/missing the playoffs.

[jongib369]

Unless It's SOULY his fault, nothing in my rankings

[The Iron Fist]

5 finals in 5 years. wonder if he would make it every year if he had somewhat good teammates from beggining of his career.

and yeah, making the finals > losing in early rounds
So you agree, Kareem>>>Jordan?

[The Iron Fist]

This recent idea that getting to the finals is a bad thing is utterly moronic.

Losing in the finals is obviously better than losing before the finals, so getting there would enhance Lebron's legacy, not hurt it.
Jerry West top 10 player of all time?

[knicksman]

He becomes top 4 GOAT. Seems top 10 GOAT is not for winners or else wilt wouldnt be top 3.