i never would have thought taking away Bosh, Allen, Battier, Miller, Lewis, J.jones

[kennethgriffin]

.....and Lebron James


would make Miami worse

what an epic failure for miami though. shows the true value of 1 man. how curry won mvp is beyond me ( and he will win it ) even though lebron should have


:facepalm



if they took away pippen, rodman, harper, kerr, longley... and jordan left for another team

surely ron harper would have kept chicago in the playoffs

[ShawkFactory]

:facepalm

[LoneyROY7]

.....and Lebron James


would make Miami worse

what an epic failure for miami though. shows the true value of 1 man. how curry won mvp is beyond me ( and he will win it ) even though lebron should have


:facepalm



if they took away pippen, rodman, harper, kerr, longley... and jordan left for another team

surely ron harper would have kept chicago in the playoffs

You just can't hack it anymore. It's time to call it quits.

[kennethgriffin]

:facepalm


:facepalm

i know right.. so pathetic..

[r15mohd]

Whiteside has had more impact on the Heat this year than Allen, Battier, Miller, Lewis and JJ combined.

those players would show up here and there, to old/injured to even be relied on

[Theoo]

first of all maimi heat DINT get worse . bosh have HISTORICAL start these season with jumpballtip , everone was going crazy for maimi these season becuse there amazing ball omvement . most expert were guaranteeing that maimi well win champoinship . whiteside , dragic , bosh , dwade these well be CRAZY team next yea r, only reason we dint make playoffs and win champoinship are becuse of injure and sickness and all that , trust me, these team are 1000x times better then lerbron was here .

[ShawkFactory]

:facepalm

i know right.. so pathetic..
You're attempt.

[Rose'sACL]

taking away allen, battier, miller, lewis, j. jones has saved miami a lot of money while not sacrificing any wins.
bosh is the only loss that hurt them. sigining bosh to that contract was an ego satisfying move from riley as everyone thinks that he is overpaid right now and will be massively overpaid a 2 years time.

[kennethgriffin]

Whiteside has had more impact on the Heat this year than Allen, Battier, Miller, Lewis and JJ combined.

those players would show up here and there, to old/injured to even be relied on


i know right.. harper and and a rookie center that can rebound would have beasted the same way the jordan/pippen/rodman/kerr/kukoc/longley did with harp


same impact

if not more impact that 5-6 other integral parts to a finals roster

[Rose'sACL]

i know right.. harper and and a rookie center that can rebound would have beasted the same way the jordan/pippen/rodman/kerr/kukoc/longley did with harp


same impact

if not more impact that 5-6 other interracial parts to a finals roster
:biggums:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

You just can't hack it anymore. It's time to call it quits.

Could he ever? Another meltdown is overdue.

[L.A.Showtime]

Whiteside has had more impact on the Heat this year than Allen, Battier, Miller, Lewis and JJ combined.

those players would show up here and there, to old/injured to even be relied on

Allen's 3 in 2013 begs to differ.

[kennethgriffin]

:biggums:


i tried typing integral lmao

auto correct. didnt bother checking what it replaced it with

[r15mohd]

Allen's 3 in 2013 begs to differ.


the Heat have needed a true big the past 4 years than they did Ray Allen...try again

[Rose'sACL]

Allen's 3 in 2013 begs to differ.
were you the one advising lakers on what to pay kobe?going by this post, it looks very likely given that you don't look at the present.

the Heat have needed a true big the past 4 years than they did Ray Allen...try again
heat paid bosh because he got a big rebound in game 6 of 2013 finals so he might have a point. no one talks about bosh being torched by duncan just like no one talks about allen being hot and cold in 2013 and then just cold in 2014.

[kennethgriffin]

all i'm gonna say is


PG - 2013 Kobe bryant
SG - 2013 ray allen/j.jones
SF - 2013 shane battier
PF - 2013 Rashard Lewis
C - 2013 Chris Bosh

with heatles coming off the bench

thats a playoff team in the west


top 3 seed in the east

[SugarHill]

all i'm gonna say is


PG - Kobe
SG - 2013 ray allen/j.jones
SF - 2013 shane battier
PF - 2013 Rashard Lewis
C - 2013 Chris Bosh

with heatles coming off the bench

thats a playoff team in the west

:sleeping

[r15mohd]

were you the one advising lakers on what to pay kobe?going by this post, it looks very likely given that you don't look at the present.

heat paid bosh because he got a big rebound in game 6 of 2013 finals so he might have a point. no one talks about bosh being torched by duncan just like no one talks about allen being hot and cold in 2013 and then just cold in 2014.


the Heat paid Bosh based on 2 reasons...2 stupid reasons at that:

1-loyalty, pointless in sports if winning is your goal
2-no one else to sign, so they gave him the nudge

if you think it's because of his pts/reb or susperstar presence, you've been very fooled



as for Kobe...he is overpaid, by a great margin and the LA Lakers "present" proves it

[Fudge]

:applause:

Kenneth dropping truth bombs. LeBron stans just can't handle it.

[Rose'sACL]

the Heat paid Bosh based on 2 reasons...2 stupid reasons at that:

1-loyalty, pointless in sports if winning is your goal
2-no one else to sign, so they gave him the nudge

if you think it's because of his pts/reb or susperstar presence, you've been very fooled



as for Kobe...he is overpaid, by a great margin and the LA Lakers "present" proves it
i was being sarcastic to the post about allen's 3 making him a great player in 2013.

[ISHGoat]

Op is a terrible poster

[r15mohd]

i was being sarcastic to the post about allen's 3 making him a great player in 2013.


ohh...my B lol :cheers:

[ShawkFactory]

all i'm gonna say is


PG - 2013 Kobe bryant
SG - 2013 ray allen/j.jones
SF - 2013 shane battier
PF - 2013 Rashard Lewis
C - 2013 Chris Bosh

with heatles coming off the bench

thats a playoff team in the west


top 3 seed in the east
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[kennethgriffin]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/194/098/129011508889548810.jpg

PG - 2013 Kobe bryant 27/6/6
SG - 2013 ray allen capable of 15/4/2 ( great 3pt shooting )
SF - 2013 shane battier great defense and 3pt shooting
PF - 2013 Rashard Lewis great 3pt shooting
C - 2013 Chris Bosh capable of 21/8/2

no playoffs?

[ShawkFactory]

PG - 2013 Kobe bryant 27/6/6
SG - 2013 ray allen capable of 15/4/2 ( great 3pt shooting )
SF - 2013 shane battier great defense and 3pt shooting
PF - 2013 Rashard Lewis great 3pt shooting
C - 2013 Chris Bosh capable of 21/8/2

no playoffs?
Don't care. It's not relevant.

[kennethgriffin]

if instead of just taking away jordan in 1994


imagine if pippen lost

horace grant to a blood clot
bj armstrong left
tony kukoc wasnt there
steve kerr wasnt there
and luc longley wasnt there



would pippen and myers get around 55 wins again or even make the playoffs?

[NumberSix]

Mike Miller didn't play for Miami last season.

[kennethgriffin]

Don't care. It's not relevant.

yes it is relevant

thats the team ( minus kobe plus wade ) that the heat lost

which is a playoff team with either one of kobe/wade as the missing piece


which means it is quite relevant indeed

[ShawkFactory]

if instead of just taking away jordan in 1994


imagine if pippen lost

horace grant to a blood clot
bj armstrong left
tony kukoc wasnt there
steve kerr wasnt there
and luc longley wasnt there



would pippen and myers get around 55 wins again or even make the playoffs?

If you gave them a better center, an all-star quality SF with great defense and half a season with a star PG, then sure.

[kennethgriffin]

Mike Miller didn't play for Miami last season.


now this ^ is irrelevant


since i dont even use him in my experiment with kobe

[ISHGoat]

If you gave them a better center, an all-star quality SF with great defense and half a season with a star PG, then sure.

dam, the truth hurts doesnt it fakkit op? :lol :lol

[kennethgriffin]

If you gave them a better center, an all-star quality SF with great defense and half a season with a star PG, then sure.


so lets just turn everything upsidown. start from scratch. break in rookies.. run a new offense with a new pg 70% into the season


oh yeah.. and lets assume this is 2000 era scottie btw ( placed into 1994 ) since its also older wade

[kennethgriffin]

dam, the truth hurts doesnt it fakkit op? :lol :lol


the truth is

luol deng averaged 14ppg this year

hes no star anymore. and was always boarderline even at his best

[ArbitraryWater]

Allen, Battier, Lewis literally all went straight into retirement.

Battier was on the Grizzlies.

They added: Luol Deng, Whiteside, Dragic

STFU

[kennethgriffin]

Allen, Battier, Lewis literally all went straight into retirement.

Battier was on the Grizzlies.

They added: Luol Deng, Whiteside, Dragic

STFU

did you forget about chris bosh? the heats best player?


and those players didnt have to retire. especially ray allen. he was wanted by half the league still

[ShawkFactory]

so lets just turn everything upsidown. start from scratch. break in rookies.. run a new offense with a new pg 70% into the season


oh yeah.. and lets assume this is 2000 era scottie btw ( placed into 1994 ) since its also older wade
Well they had one of the greatest coaches of all time so yea. They could.

[kennethgriffin]

people need to stop using whiteside as a superstar addition in their arguments


the guy scored 564 points this season

hes a good rebounder though. he played about 40 something games and put up 10 boards a night

woopy

[kennethgriffin]

Well they had one of the greatest coaches of all time so yea. They could.



ok spo goes in for phil in 94 ( teleported )

:lol

[ShawkFactory]

ok spo goes in for phil in 94 ( teleported )

:lol
What's the point of this? To say that Jordan and Lebron are on a similar level?

[L.A.Showtime]

were you the one advising lakers on what to pay kobe?going by this post, it looks very likely given that you don't look at the present.



Are you dumb? The only comparison we have of Ray was his contributions in the past, so no shit Whiteside is better than a not playing Ray this year.

And if you have been following my posts about the Lakers, you would have seen that I've been very realistic about my team, unlike others who are claiming that the Lakers will have 4 borderline all-stars next year.

[r15mohd]

people need to stop using whiteside as a superstar addition in their arguments


the guy scored 564 points this season

hes a good rebounder though. he played about 40 something games and put up 10 boards a night

woopy


thing is, it is very valid...knowing what we know today and how the year's have played out for all players involved, what's the best option to for the Big3 in Miami:

A) Whiteside and vet role players (players like JJone who took the minimum); or
B) Battier, Miller, Lewis, Allen, JJones

Chalmers, Cole, Haslem, Arroyo/Bibby can remain stagnant on both squads

bottom line is the Big3 needed interior presence for the boards and defense, something they eagerly tried to obtain but never got worthy potential from their chances over the years...it's why they played "small-ball". it worked 2/4 seasons but it also overworked their key players and put Miami in tougher situations due to the older/injured folks of Battier/Miller, Allen, Lewis, JJ.

[gts]

Whiteside has had more impact on the Heat this year than Allen, Battier, Miller, Lewis and JJ combined.

those players would show up here and there, to old/injured to even be relied on

too bad they signed him half way through the season

[r15mohd]

too bad they signed him half way through the season


this was by luck for the Heat...NO ONE knew hew was going to amount to anything. he had a few stints in the league, then played abroad and pushed his potential this time around.

surely vets like Zo, Haslem, and Juwan have helped him on his game, but it was more luck and his eagerness to prove himself this time around.

him being with the Heat from the beginning of this season and we're not fighting for 8th seed, probably a 6-7th lock but surely not out-looking in :banghead:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Save for Bosh, none of these guys were high impact players last season. :oldlol: This shit is like crediting Derek Fisher for Kobe not making a finals without him.

The Heat had ample opportunities to make the postseason. Kobe fans need to stop defending them just to knock LeBron down a notch.

[Rose'sACL]

Are you dumb? The only comparison we have of Ray was his contributions in the past, so no shit Whiteside is better than a not playing Ray this year.

And if you have been following my posts about the Lakers, you would have seen that I've been very realistic about my team, unlike others who are claiming that the Lakers will have 4 borderline all-stars next year.
so 1 shot and an okay at best playoffs in 2013 makes up for his shit performance in 2013-14 season and playoffs. if you are judging current ray allen which is what this thread is doing then you use the performance of the last season the player played.

[SouBeachTalents]

Save for Bosh, none of these guys were high impact players last season. :oldlol: This shit is like crediting Derek Fisher for Kobe not making a finals without him.

The Heat had ample opportunities to make the postseason. Kobe fans need to stop defending them just to knock LeBron down a notch.

This. And I'm not saying Bosh's injury didn't hurt, but the Heat were 19-25 with Bosh this year, and he doesn't exactly have a proven track record of making the playoffs as a teams best player, missing the playoffs 5 of his 7 years in Toronto

[Lensanity]

They got Whiteside and Deng. Combined 20 times better than that garbage. They traded for Dragic the exact same time they lost Bosh.

Lebron has the greatest individual impact I've ever seen. This is ridiculous.

[3ball]

It's the same thing that happened with Cleveland in 2011 - they didn't just lose Lebron - they lost their 4 of their 5 starters.

They lost Mo Williams, Varejao, and Shaq (3 starters), along with Delonte and Zydrunas - all gone.

So it wasn't just Lebron - that ENTIRE Cleveland team was gutted by injury and players leaving... just like the Heat were this year.
.

[Rose'sACL]

It's the same thing that happened with Cleveland in 2011 - they didn't just lose Lebron - they lost their 4 of their 5 starters.

They lost Mo Williams, Varejao, and Shaq (3 starters), along with Delonte and Zydrunas - all gone.

So it wasn't just Lebron - that ENTIRE Cleveland team was gutted by injury and players leaving... just like the Heat were this year.
.
thanks for reminding me who lebron played with. that is such a bad line-up. only lebron would have the pressure of winning an NBA title with that shitty line-up.

[Hey Yo]

the truth is

luol deng averaged 14ppg this year

hes no star anymore. and was always boarderline even at his best
He's barely lost a step since Kobe wanted to be traded to the Bulls and play with him.

[SouBeachTalents]

It's the same thing that happened with Cleveland in 2011 - they didn't just lose Lebron - they lost their 4 of their 5 starters.

They lost Mo Williams, Varejao, and Shaq (3 starters), along with Delonte and Zydrunasall gone.

So it wasn't just Lebron - that ENTIRE Cleveland team was gutted by injury and players leaving... just like the Heat were this year.
.

Stacked

[ShawkFactory]

Stacked
It's always funny. When people try to claim a team is stacked they just list all the players on the team.

This doesn't just go for Lebron. I saw Kenneth one time say the 2003 Spurs were stacked (lulz in its own right) and mentioned guys like Kerr and Claxton (16/13 minutes and 6/4 PPG respectively). Ginobili averaged 8 PPG in less than 21 MPG on that team. He was also mentioned :lol

Doesn't make sense in general. Losing Allen, JJ, Lewis, Battier, and Miller isn't losing your squad. That's losing a bunch of old and completely replaceable players. The Heat actually upgraded by losing them. The 5 of those guys are averaging a combined 6 PPG this season :roll:

[3ball]

Stacked
Much better than 7.9 PPG rookie Pippen, 6 PPG rookie Horace Grant, and a bunch of literal nobodies.

Or 14 PPG second-year Pippen, and 9 PPG second-year Grant, and a bunch of literal nobodies.

Both of these supporting casts are far worse than anything Lebron's ever had.

Lebron always had multiple players who you'd consider "solid" (i.e. Mo Williams, Varejao, Shaq, Delonte, Zydrunas, Parker, Hickson, Jamison) - just a TON of solid players.

Whereas Jordan had rookie Pippen, rookie Grant, and nobodies - an entire team of nobodies - at least Lebron's teams were chalk-full of solid players.

[ShawkFactory]

Much better than 7.9 PPG rookie Pippen, 6 PPG rookie Horace Grant, and a bunch of literal nobodies.

Or 14 PPG second-year Pippen, and 9 PPG second-year Grant, and a bunch of literal nobodies.

Both of these supporting casts are far worse than anything Lebron's ever had.

Lebron always had multiple players who you'd consider "solid" (i.e. Mo Williams, Varejao, Shaq, Delonte, Zydrunas, Parker, Hickson, Jamison) - just a TON of solid players.

Whereas Jordan had rookie Pippen, rookie Grant, and nobodies - an entire team of nobodies - at least Lebron's teams were chalk-full of solid players.
Well if all of Lebron's guys are solid (I mean, you just listed Anthony Parker) then so were Oakley, Vincent, Cartwright, and Hodges.

And Jordan was never winning no 66 games either.

Your comparison and purpose for bringing that up are both stupid.

[Hey Yo]

Much better than 7.9 PPG rookie Pippen, 6 PPG rookie Horace Grant, and a bunch of literal nobodies.

Or 14 PPG second-year Pippen, and 9 PPG second-year Grant, and a bunch of literal nobodies.

Both of these supporting casts are far worse than anything Lebron's ever had.

Lebron always had multiple players who you'd consider "solid" (i.e. Mo Williams, Varejao, Shaq, Delonte, Zydrunas, Parker, Hickson, Jamison) - just a TON of solid players.

Whereas Jordan had rookie Pippen, rookie Grant, and nobodies - an entire team of nobodies - at least Lebron's teams were chalk-full of solid players.
:sleeping :sleeping

your trolling's getting less and less believable.

[JebronLames]

They got Whiteside and Deng. Combined 20 times better than that garbage. They traded for Dragic the exact same time they lost Bosh.

Lebron has the greatest individual impact I've ever seen. This is ridiculous.
:bowdown:

[kennethgriffin]

just shows how stacked lebrons team was

even minus lebron/bosh/allen/lewis/battier/jones


people still expected the heat to dominate by replacing those 6 guys with a rookie (whiteside) and deng 5 years past his prime

:lol :roll: :oldlol:

[dubeta]

I never would have thought Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Ron Artest, Pau Gasol, and Dwight Howard would barely sneak into the playoffs and lose in the 1st round

[ShawkFactory]

just shows how stacked lebrons team was

even minus lebron/bosh/allen/lewis/battier/jones


people still expected the heat to dominate by replacing those 6 guys with a rookie (whiteside) and deng 5 years past his prime

:lol :roll: :oldlol:
You've gotten boring.

Daredevil time.