Lebron has PER competition.

[StrongLurk]

Anthony Davis finished the season as the youngest player ever to reach a PER of 30. He now holds the PER record for ages 19, 20, and 21 - setting the record each year he has been in the league.

Keep telling this board Davis is super underrated. Expecting big things from him against the Warriors in the playoffs.

Something like 25/10/3/2/3

[Random_Guy]

we shall see, green has been a beast this year, i see the pelicans may run davis at the 5 now and then to throw warriors d scheme off

[yarrak]

GOATbrook vs Curry would be a lot more fun.

[L.A.Showtime]

:applause:

[3ball]

Anthony Davis finished the season as the youngest player ever to reach a PER of 30. He now holds the PER record for ages 19, 20, and 21 - setting the record each year he has been in the league.

Something like 25/10/3/2/3


His production depends on being consistently bird-fed - he was assisted on 71% of his shots this year.

In today's game, teams don't have to engage in lower efficiency post-ups anymore because the spacing has increased efficiencies on ball movement and dribble-penetration - so today's bigs (such as Davis) get bird-fed with high efficiency dump-offs from dribble-penetration and screen-roll actions, rather than having to create their own offense via lower efficiency post-ups like previous era bigs.

But if you put Davis in a previous era where the lack of spacing forces him to post up a ton like all bigs did back then, his PER and efficiency go way down.. He's simply not elite at creating his own offense or posting up.. He is an elite play-finisher though (this includes dump-offs, alleys, assisted jumpshots, and transition - this is most of his offense).

[Trollsmasher]

Birdfed players (BFP) - assisted on over 70% of their points - do not count

[Demitri98]

His production depends on being consistently bird-fed - he was assisted on 71% of his shots this year.

In today's game, teams don't have to engage in lower efficiency post-ups anymore because the spacing has increased efficiencies on ball movement and dribble-penetration - so today's bigs (such as Davis) get bird-fed with high efficiency dump-offs from dribble-penetration and screen-roll actions, rather than having to create their own offense via lower efficiency post-ups like previous era bigs.

But if you put Davis in a previous era where the lack of spacing forces him to post up a ton like all bigs did back then, his PER and efficiency go way down.. He's simply not elite at creating his own offense or posting up.. He is an elite play-finisher though (this includes dump-offs, alleys, assisted jumpshots, and transition - this is most of his offense).
I can't believe i just agreed with 3ball

[StrongLurk]

His production depends on being consistently bird-fed - he was assisted on 71% of his shots this year.

In today's game, teams don't have to engage in lower efficiency post-ups anymore because the spacing has increased efficiencies on ball movement and dribble-penetration - so today's bigs (such as Davis) get bird-fed with high efficiency dump-offs from dribble-penetration and screen-roll actions, rather than having to create their own offense via lower efficiency post-ups like previous era bigs.

But if you put Davis in a previous era where the lack of spacing forces him to post up a ton like all bigs did back then, his PER and efficiency go way down.. He's simply not elite at creating his own offense or posting up.. He is an elite play-finisher though (this includes dump-offs, alleys, assisted jumpshots, and transition - this is most of his offense).

Most of this is meaningless considering Davis does indeed play in this era. Guess he bird-fed his way to being a top 5 defender as well.

[Rose'sACL]

Anthony Davis finished the season as the youngest player ever to reach a PER of 30. He now holds the PER record for ages 19, 20, and 21 - setting the record each year he has been in the league.

Keep telling this board Davis is super underrated. Expecting big things from him against the Warriors in the playoffs.

Something like 25/10/3/2/3
the bolded is not true given the fact that most basketball fans who are not biased think that he will be the best player in the league in 1 or 2 seasons.
only biased fans of other players hate him or underrate him.

[StrongLurk]

the bolded is not true given the fact that most basketball fans who are not biased think that he will be the best player in the league in 1 or 2 seasons.
only biased fans of other players hate him or underrate him.

I know, that was directed more to the posters on this board.

[juju151111]

His production depends on being consistently bird-fed - he was assisted on 71% of his shots this year.

In today's game, teams don't have to engage in lower efficiency post-ups anymore because the spacing has increased efficiencies on ball movement and dribble-penetration - so today's bigs (such as Davis) get bird-fed with high efficiency dump-offs from dribble-penetration and screen-roll actions, rather than having to create their own offense via lower efficiency post-ups like previous era bigs.

But if you put Davis in a previous era where the lack of spacing forces him to post up a ton like all bigs did back then, his PER and efficiency go way down.. He's simply not elite at creating his own offense or posting up.. He is an elite play-finisher though (this includes dump-offs, alleys, assisted jumpshots, and transition - this is most of his offense).
Bro stop your nonsense. The pick and roll was still affective back then and Davis has a elite Midrange jumper and his Wingspan is huge. Nobody is blocking his jumper this era or the previous era. He can drive pass most bugs because of his Guard like handles similar to a young Amare. Doesn't matter if it's dumb offs or what actions. He not going to start missing Jumpshots. He just a elite Midrange shooter already at 21-22 . Horace Grant killed the Bulls in 95 because he was making Jumpshots like crazy. Imagine that, but with someone taller and way better.

[StrongLurk]

Only Wilt, MJ and Lebron have posted higher PER's. Not even Durant from last year.

Lot's of stans sweatin watching Davis.

[LAZERUSS]

Only Wilt, MJ and Lebron have posted higher PER's. Not even Durant from last year.

Lot's of stans sweatin watching Davis.

Here's my problem (well, one of them), with AD and his PER...

No one in their right mind would take a 2015 AD over a 2000 Shaq, or a 1971 Kareem, or a 1986 Bird, or a 1987 Magic. or a 1983 Moses. And I'm sure there are other examples out there, as well.

[juju151111]

Here's my problem (well, one of them), with AD and his PER...

No one in their right mind would take a 2015 AD over a 2000 Shaq, or a 1971 Kareem, or a 1986 Bird, or a 1987 Magic. or a 1983 Moses. And I'm sure there are other examples out there, as well.
Per is not the end all be all stat through. It's a nice stat to lead in, but in no way it tells you every thing. I prefer RAPM. Why couldn't you choose Davis with one of those players regular season? Davis had one of the best Regular seasons. Now we will see if he is a playoff performer in the incoming week.

[Smoke117]

Here's my problem (well, one of them), with AD and his PER...

No one in their right mind would take a 2015 AD over a 2000 Shaq, or a 1971 Kareem, or a 1986 Bird, or a 1987 Magic. or a 1983 Moses. And I'm sure there are other examples out there, as well.

PER is such a bullshit advanced stat. Anyone who puts that much stock in PER is an idiot.

[LAZERUSS]

Per is not the end all be all stat through. It's a nice stat to lead in, but in no way it tells you every thing. I prefer RAPM. Why couldn't you choose Davis with one of those players regular season? Davis had one of the best Regular seasons. Now we will see if he is a playoff performer in the incoming week.

Go ahead and use their regular seasons...

NO ONE is going to take a 2015 AD over an '00 Shaq, '71 Alcindor (Kareem), '83 Moses, '86 Bird, or an '87 Magic.

[monkeypox]

It's pointless because Hollinger changes it all the time. I remember one year Josh McRoberts was by far the leader in PER for the first several weeks of the season.

[dubeta]

Who cares about PER??? Seriously :facepalm

[Rose'sACL]

Who cares about PER??? Seriously :facepalm
you wouldn't be saying this if lebron was still leading the league in PER.

[game3524]

you wouldn't be saying this if lebron was still leading the league in PER.

Yup, PER was the be all end all for Bron's stans in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013. But since you don't see them pimping that stat since last year.

[greymatter]

AD's PER is bloated in this era due to extreme shortage of quality bigs. Just consider Drob's pre-injury PER:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2014/09/05/nba-retrometrics-why-david-robinson-is-underrated/.

Robinson had to compete with Ewing, Olajuwon, Shaq, Mourning, Mutumbo. AD has to compete with a washed up D12, Cousins, Noah, Gasol brothers. 20+ppg, 10+rpg, 3+bpg bigs used to grow on trees back in the early 90s.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Yup, PER was the be all end all for Bron's stans in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013. But since you don't see them pimping that stat since last year.
Not really. LeBron had the best raw stats those years as well

[greymatter]

Davis' per 36min production his first three seasons:

16.2/10.2/2.2 on .516 shooting
21.3/10.3/2.9 on .519
24.2/10.2/2.9 on .535

Drob:

23.9/11.8/3.8 on .531
24.4/12.4/3.7 on .552
22.2/11.6/4.3 on .551

Robinson's 2nd, 3rd year shits all over AD's but AD's PER for both those years are higher.

That is what happens when you play in a league with maybe just 2 other players (LBJ, Durant) who would have been top 10 caliber players in the early 90s.

[dh144498]

Who cares about PER??? Seriously :facepalm

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371358

[StrongLurk]

All I am saying in this thread is Lebron has PER competition. That's it. Not player a is better than player b. Just focusing on PER.

[Rose'sACL]

Davis' per 36min production his first three seasons:

16.2/10.2/2.2 on .516 shooting
21.3/10.3/2.9 on .519
24.2/10.2/2.9 on .535

Drob:

23.9/11.8/3.8 on .531
24.4/12.4/3.7 on .552
22.2/11.6/4.3 on .551

Robinson's 2nd, 3rd year shits all over AD's but AD's PER for both those years are higher.

That is what happens when you play in a league with maybe just 2 other players (LBJ, Durant) who would have been top 10 caliber players in the early 90s.
lol @ may be. lebron would have won 2-3 MVPs in the 90s. durant would have won at least 1. Westbrook and current curry would also be top 10 players in the 90s.